Bonesmashing doesnt work

[Deleted member 142795]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

 

[idnap]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

yeah but androgenic says it works so wy gotta say about that

 

[idnap]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

boi

 

[Sprinkles]

It does work it just takes weeks to months to see genuine growth

 

[Deleted member 142795]

yeah but androgenic says it works so wy gotta say about that

Androgenic saying it works doesn’t matter. Claims don’t override biology or evidence.
There are zero X-rays, CT scans, or peer-reviewed studies showing permanent bone growth or strengthening from bonesmashing.

 

[idnap]

Androgenic saying it works doesn’t matter. Claims don’t override biology or evidence.
There are zero X-rays, CT scans, or peer-reviewed studies showing permanent bone growth or strengthening from bonesmashing.

okay but look at his before and after pics

 

[IncredibleHouse]

It does work it just takes weeks to months to see genuine growth

Even if it works, it will cause assymetry

 

[Deleted member 142795]

It does work it just takes weeks to months to see genuine growth

Saying “it works, it just takes weeks to months” isn’t evidence , it’s moving the goalposts. Bone healing always takes weeks to months, and during that time swelling, callus, and fibrosis make things look bigger. Thats no proof

 

[kartergrey]

okay but look at his before and after pics

androgenics likely caused his facial growth

 

[idnap]

Even if it works, it will cause assymetry

youre acting like our faces are even perfectly symmetrical to begin with, if it causes swelling they'll do it in regions that need it

 

[Deleted member 142795]

youre acting like our faces are even perfectly symmetrical to begin with, if it causes swelling they'll do it in regions that need it

would you rate me?

 

[kartergrey]

https://looksmax.org/threads/does-bone-smashing-work.1794630/post-25299220

 

[IncredibleHouse]

youre acting like our faces are even perfectly symmetrical to begin with, if it causes swelling they'll do it in regions that need it

Our faces are sligthly assymetric. You will make it worse with bonesmashing

 

[Deleted member 142795]

It does work it just takes weeks to months to see genuine growth

sprinkles could u rate me

 

[Jam1esuhn]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

Look at before and afters of UFC fighters.

 

[cvskll]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

even if it doesn’t work, the zygo swelling makes u look better

 

[Deleted member 142795]

Look at before and afters of UFC fighters.

They undergo chronic sub-failure mechanical loading leading to increased bone mineral density via Wolff’s Law, not macrotrauma. Density changes and cortical optimization are adaptive responses. Fractures trigger callus formation, followed by osteoclastic remodeling back to baseline geometry.

 

[kartergrey]

Look at before and afters of UFC fighters.

correlation /= causation

 

[Deleted member 142795]

even if it doesn’t work, the zygo swelling makes u look better

doesnt proof anything tho. no „bone growth“

 

[IncredibleHouse]

Isnt it obvious that something like this doesnt work? Like common sense

 

[TheTD7]

Androgenic saying it works doesn’t matter. Claims don’t override biology or evidence.
There are zero X-rays, CT scans, or peer-reviewed studies showing permanent bone growth or strengthening from bonesmashing.

i agree with you but why did you need chatgpt for that response bro

 

[Deleted member 142795]

i agree with you but why did you need chatgpt for that response bro

For which one? I studied bone biology and biomechanics

 

[CD34]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

Just make surgery atp

 

[StyIix]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

Proof give me studys boyo stop making bland clames

Isnt it obvious that something like this doesnt work? Like common sense

 

[TheTD7]

For which one? I studied bone biology and biomechanics

aight son, lemme see why you think it doesn't work

 

[nel9d]

It does work it just takes weeks to months to see genuine growth

6 Months is where you start seeing progress

 

[Deleted member 142795]

aight son, lemme see why you think it doesn't work

Because bones follow mechanotransduction not superstition.
I could go in-depth, but you couldn‘t really follow..

 

[TheTD7]

Because bones follow mechanotransduction not superstition.
I could go in-depth, but you couldn‘t really follow..

I can definitely follow, and I'll point out whatever inconsistencies there are (if any, since whatever you're supporting is right so there shouldn't be any).

 

[Deleted member 142795]

Proof give me studys boyo stop making bland clames

Orthopedic literature on fracture healing consistently shows this sequence inflammation callus formation osteoblastic repair then osteoclastic remodeling back to baseline geometry. What you will not find is a single peer reviewed study showing permanent increases in bone size or shape from blunt trauma alone.

 

[Deleted member 142795]

I can definitely follow, and I'll point out whatever inconsistencies there are (if any, since whatever you're supporting is right so there shouldn't be any).

Bone is a regulated system, not an upgrade mechanic. It adapts only under controlled, sub-failure strain where osteocytes can quantify load and adjust mineral density. Once you exceed that threshold you trigger fracture repair, u don‘t trigger adaptation.

 

[Deleted member 303171]

@sxurf give me studies supporting your claims

 

[Deleted member 142795]

@sxurf give me studies supporting your claims

Mechanobiology of bone remodeling and fracture healing in the aged organism - PMC

Bone can adapt to changing load demands by mechanically regulated bone remodeling. Osteocytes, osteoblasts, and mesenchymal stem cells are mechanosensitive and respond to mechanical signals through the activation of specific molecular signaling ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The one I used most recently. I have used dozens tho, feel free to ask for more if this shouldn‘t be enough

 

[Deleted member 303171]

Mechanobiology of bone remodeling and fracture healing in the aged organism - PMC

Bone can adapt to changing load demands by mechanically regulated bone remodeling. Osteocytes, osteoblasts, and mesenchymal stem cells are mechanosensitive and respond to mechanical signals through the activation of specific molecular signaling ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The one I used most recently. I have used dozens tho, feel free to ask for more if this shouldn‘t be enough

Yeah give me more

 

[Deleted member 142795]

I can definitely follow, and I'll point out whatever inconsistencies there are (if any, since whatever you're supporting is right so there shouldn't be any).

Was keeping up possible?

 

[TheTD7]

Bone is a regulated system, not an upgrade mechanic. It adapts only under controlled, sub-failure strain where osteocytes can quantify load and adjust mineral density. Once you exceed that threshold you trigger fracture repair, u don‘t trigger adaptation.

yeah, that seems very accurate.

but,

the "threshold" is a range, not a single line. the mechanostat model has a range of optimal strain (between the MES for adaptation and the MES for microdamage).
adaptation doesn't happen during the load itself but during the subsequent recovery period. the osteocyte signal shd be followed by anabolic processes.
the system's "set points" are influenced by hormones (E, T, PTH, vit D), nutritiom and age. Cuz in estrogen deficiency the set point shifts making the bone less responsive to mechanical strain and more susceptible to resorption at LOWER strain levels.

 

[TheTD7]

Was keeping up possible?

yes.

 

[Deleted member 142795]

Yeah give me more

Significance of mechanical loading in bone fracture healing, bone regeneration, and vascularization - PMC

In 1892, J.L. Wolff proposed that bone could respond to mechanical and biophysical stimuli as a dynamic organ. This theory presents a unique opportunity for investigations on bone and its potential to aid in tissue repair. Routine activities such as ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mechanical regulation of bone remodeling - Bone Research

Bone remodeling is a lifelong process that gives rise to a mature, dynamic bone structure via a balance between bone formation by osteoblasts and resorption by osteoclasts. These opposite processes allow the accommodation of bones to dynamic mechanical forces, altering bone mass in response to...

www.nature.com

 

[sivsiii]

If breaking a bone made it better, evolution would have discovered that before the internet did.


Instead bone biology is designed to undo damage not reward it. Fracture healing restores the original structure and then removes excess material. If smashing produced superior bones, orthopedics would use hammers.

shut the fuck up

 

[Sprinkles]

Even if it works, it will cause assymetry

who the fuck is talking about smashing only one side bro

 

[chudpiller]

okay but look at his before and after pics

 

[Deleted member 142795]

yeah, that seems very accurate.

but,

the "threshold" is a range, not a single line. the mechanostat model has a range of optimal strain (between the MES for adaptation and the MES for microdamage).
adaptation doesn't happen during the load itself but during the subsequent recovery period. the osteocyte signal shd be followed by anabolic processes.
the system's "set points" are influenced by hormones (E, T, PTH, vit D), nutritiom and age. Cuz in estrogen deficiency the set point shifts making the bone less responsive to mechanical strain and more susceptible to resorption at LOWER strain levels.

Yes the threshold is a range and yeah adaptation happens during recovery. But that entire framework still operates below structural failure. The upper end of the adaptive window is explicitly defined as the point before microdamage accumulates faster than it can be repaired. Once you cross into macrodamage the signal changes qualitatively. Osteocytes near the fracture undergo apoptosis, local mechanosensing is lost and the dominant program becomes inflammatory repair not anabolic optimization.
Estrogen deficiency lowering the resorption threshold actually strengthens the argument against bonesmashing because it shows how regulated and conservative the system is.

 

[Sprinkles]

Saying “it works, it just takes weeks to months” isn’t evidence , it’s moving the goalposts. Bone healing always takes weeks to months, and during that time swelling, callus, and fibrosis make things look bigger. Thats no proof

dude if it takes weeks or months to heal bones you’re doing something wrong

it only takes a couple days or so which creates smaller mm of bone after you heal each time which slowly builds up

 

[Sprinkles]

sprinkles could u rate me

sure

 

[Deleted member 142795]

shut the fuck up

Most reasonable argument that has any chance on this topic. Thanks for presenting ur intellectual intelligence.

 

[Sprinkles]

6 Months is where you start seeing progress

I saw prog after a month ppl were saying my eyes looked puffy

 

[nel9d]

I saw prog after a month ppl were saying my eyes looked puffy

Prolly a grnetic thing

 

[Deleted member 142795]

dude if it takes weeks or months to heal bones you’re doing something wrong

it only takes a couple days or so which creates smaller mm of bone after you heal each time which slowly builds up

Cortical bone cannot heal in days. Mineralized bone formation alone takes weeks because osteoid deposition mineralization and remodeling are time dependent processes. What happens in a couple of days is inflammation and edema. No new bone is being added then.

 

[Deleted member 303171]

Significance of mechanical loading in bone fracture healing, bone regeneration, and vascularization - PMC

In 1892, J.L. Wolff proposed that bone could respond to mechanical and biophysical stimuli as a dynamic organ. This theory presents a unique opportunity for investigations on bone and its potential to aid in tissue repair. Routine activities such as ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mechanical regulation of bone remodeling - Bone Research

Bone remodeling is a lifelong process that gives rise to a mature, dynamic bone structure via a balance between bone formation by osteoblasts and resorption by osteoclasts. These opposite processes allow the accommodation of bones to dynamic mechanical forces, altering bone mass in response to...

www.nature.com

more

 

[TheTD7]

Yes the threshold is a range and yeah adaptation happens during recovery. But that entire framework still operates below structural failure. The upper end of the adaptive window is explicitly defined as the point before microdamage accumulates faster than it can be repaired. Once you cross into macrodamage the signal changes qualitatively. Osteocytes near the fracture undergo apoptosis, local mechanosensing is lost and the dominant program becomes inflammatory repair not anabolic optimization.
Estrogen deficiency lowering the resorption threshold actually strengthens the argument against bonesmashing because it shows how regulated and conservative the system is.

the final stages of fracture healing do involve intense anabolic bone formation to bridge the gap. the only main difference is that this anabolism is not locally optimized for mechanical efficiency in the same way adaptive remodeling is (it is a rapid nd generalized response to restore continuity). the resulting bone (callus) is often kinda like a woven bone that is later remodeled into lamellar bone

 

[foidmurderer089]

i do muay thai, and the reason i have good supraorbital bone forward growth and my shins being as strong as steel is because i kept getting punched in the face and kept hitting my shins against metal and bags