BOTB - Real looksmax discussion megathread. Do not enter if not high IQ.

[Saint Casanova]

I'll start off.

Is good skin, hairstyle, teeth, and leanness (i.e., normie looksmaxxing) the best solution?

I think it is. Feel free to disagree or add in anything else you think actually moves the needle in terms of bettering your looks.

IMO, all normies do this. If you’re not doing this, especially being lean, then you’re below your base.

The only things that make a difference are Surgery ( Genio, LFs, BSSOs), implants and fillers ( Chin, jaw, undereye, maybe zygos), Hair transplants and Roids.

 

[coxel]

How necessary is all of that though? That's presuming the guy is pale beyond normal, or rapidly norwooding or really lacks dark features, which are failos I guess. But if you had to give looksmaxxing advice to this "koiniphilically average guy". Would you omit all that stuff, or advise him to use them?

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Once he has maxxed out hair, leanness, style, teeth, found the right skin tone (+-tan, adjust undertones etc) AND assuming no failos then next focus is maintaining those looks for as long as possible. There’s many things for this:
slowing pace of aging
protecting against balding if prone
protecting the skin
maintaining youthful collagen production
supplementing when things decline (ie. hyaluronic acid)
staying low bf year round with zero fluctations in weight and high fitness
chemical peels as needed
face lifts as needed
etc

 

[longmidfaceCEO]

I'll start off.

Is good skin, hairstyle, teeth, and leanness (i.e., normie looksmaxxing) the best solution?

I think it is. Feel free to disagree or add in anything else you think actually moves the needle in terms of bettering your looks.

No imo

At the end of the day the largest things that attract woman to you by a large margin more than frame or muscle or pheno even, are face, race, and height two of those are practically unchangeable and you can change only your face to a certain extent. I would say fix your failos whether you need surgery for them or not is the best most people can do. In reality i think if someone just has slightly better skin, hairstyle, etc. all the things you mentioned above it would make little difference unless they have a failo in one of those areas. A 5'5 indian no matter any of those things above will struggle in somewhere like the west no matter how handsome he is. I think this forum likes to cope with a good base in looksmaxxing when in reality the best base someone can have is being tall and white rather than proper craniofacial development.

TLDR; the things that would move the needle the most are changes in face, race, and/or height two of which are nearly completely unchangeable and face is changeable to only a certain extent

 

[NilsTheChad]

Visible muscle mass and a thicker neck

No one wants a twink frameless partner even if its just a little bit of muscle

if you are talking about long relationships sure but for quick hook up culturue babyfaced guys and female gaze pull hard

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

yet there's no convincing evidence that a facial surgery can looksmax a normal dude

just lol, "its not real because i think so"

 

[Saint Casanova]

No imo

At the end of the day the largest things that attract woman to you by a large margin more than frame or muscle or pheno even, are face, race, and height two of those are practically unchangeable and you can change only your face to a certain extent. I would say fix your failos whether you need surgery for them or not is the best most people can do. In reality i think if someone just has slightly better skin, hairstyle, etc. all the things you mentioned above it would make little difference unless they have a failo in one of those areas. A 5'5 indian no matter any of those things above will struggle in somewhere like the west no matter how handsome he is. I think this forum likes to cope with a good base in looksmaxxing when in reality the best base someone can have is being tall and white rather than proper craniofacial development.

TLDR; the things that would move the needle the most are changes in face, race, and/or height two of which are nearly completely unchangeable and face is changeable to only a certain extent

You’re 100 percent correct. Notice all the “slayers” here have are typically tall with a very good pheno and colouring. Only exception might be salludon.

 

[Seth Walsh]

just lol, "its not real because i think so"

Give me one example of a facial surgery changing some MTN's life (who you know IRL, no online bs)

 

[JohnDoe]

Tanning (Melanotan-2)
Oral minoxidil
Hair/eyelash/eyebrow dye
Gut health
Shoulder pads for framelet faggots
Lifts

how to improve gut health?
90% of guys i see IRL are recessed, they either beard fraud or just nothing at all, rarely see someone with a good jaw/chin.

 

[JohnDoe]

You’re 100 percent correct. Notice all the “slayers” here have are typically tall with a very good pheno and colouring. Only exception might be salludon.

Salludon is 6'1 and has good coloring lol

 

[Seth Walsh]

the most are changes in face, race, and/or height two of which are nearly completely unchangeable and face is changeable to only a certain extent

I'd argue that leanmaxxing is the biggest needle mover in changing your face. You're right that you can't change pretty much any of them.

Skincare and hair also change how your face is perceived. In combination with losing the facial fat, it makes a difference.

People love to just say "surgery", but never provide a specific caste-all surgery that can be used as a plug-and-play like skin, hair and leanmaxxing.

I'm just not seeing the practical examples/results of glowups attributed to invasive facial surgeries, while I am seeing serious looksmaxxes attributed to 1) leanmaxxing, 2) skinmaxxing 3) hairstylemaxxing.

It is what it is.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Once he has maxxed out hair, leanness, style, teeth, found the right skin tone (+-tan, adjust undertones etc) AND assuming no failos then next focus is maintaining those looks for as long as possible. There’s many things for this:
slowing pace of aging
protecting against balding if prone
protecting the skin
maintaining youthful collagen production
supplementing when things decline (ie. hyaluronic acid)
staying low bf year round with zero fluctations in weight and high fitness
chemical peels as needed
face lifts as needed
etc

Based. Pretty much agree with you on everything. Though I'd be more of a religious Retin-A, SPF, GHK-cu user, in combo with all the other health anti-aging stuff and would pray to never need a facelift. But you said as needed/if needed.

So yeah. Smart greycel ngl.

 

[Seth Walsh]

IMO, all normies do this. If you’re not doing this, especially being lean, then you’re below your base.

The only things that make a difference are Surgery ( Genio, LFs, BSSOs), implants and fillers ( Chin, jaw, undereye, maybe zygos), Hair transplants and Roids.

Surgeries aren't plug and play though. Sometimes MMA can mess someone up. Though, if someone desperately needed a facial surgery for recession, they'd be best off going to a blackpilled surgeon and ask to only get worked on sagittally so to not mess with harmony. IMDO+LF1 or BSSO+LF1 would be the standard, I think. Also looking at if the palate needs to be expanded accordingly too.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Give me one example of a facial surgery changing some MTN's life (who you know IRL, no online bs)

normies dont go to blackpilled surgeons and they mostly have unrealistic expectations

 

[yue]

Something to consider is facial surgeries as you said are wonky in that they rarely ascend, rather they are best at fixing overt failos. Leg lengthening though is not under the same restriction, as an increase in height is a very linear straightforward measurement compared to the measurements of the face where harmony comes into play.

This is proven by lifts only changing leg height but in the perception of a foid making you seem larger in every respect.

 

[9898]

Peptides in general are probably the best tools for looksmaxxing and longevity.

GHK-cu pairs fantastically with any retinoid because amongst other things it increases RXR/RAR gene expression. I don't think any ONE thing decreases metalloproteinases and simultaneously (directly) increases collagen synthesis. Microneedling is obviously amazing too. Derminator 2 clears all other devices and won't scar your skin like other garbage pens. PDO/PCL threading is another insanely underrated way to stimulate collagen. The figure I've seen is 20%. Whether that compounds with each session I have no Idea but a 20% from just shoving threads in your skin is a fucking huge win.

Epitalon alone has literally fixed my sleep entirely. Was able to get off GABAergics that were keeping me a total junkie.

Thymalin/TA1 & TB500 are good for regulating inflammation. Naltrexone also works amazingly for inflammation in conjunction with those peptides.

Selank (tuftsin derivative) especially in it's acetylated and amidated form is probably the best non-addictive anxiolytic I've ever used. I've shilled it to @Cope. Hope he gets on it. It decreases neuroinflammation massively and acts as an enkephalinase inhibitor which upregulates endorphins. I have created a supplement regimen that allows me to maintain the increased endorphin levels by offsetting any receptor downregulation with low dose naltrexone. With semax (another enkephalinase inhibitior) and selank I'm basically feel like I'm on a smidge of oxycodone all day. Energy is insane.

For hair nothing mogs dutasteride. No point using fin when duta exists. DHT inhibits elastin and you're not hitting 5ar1 if you're only using finasteride. Sides don't exist if you're not a giant sissy.

I'm getting veneers soon which will ascend me by an entire point probably. I have dental flourosis.

@androgenic and I are the only people on this forum that have actually used Vorinostat consistently. Loox even had to explain to a bouncer that his bag of literal powdered vorinostat wasn't cocaine. The most cagefuel thing I've ever heard on PSL. @Cope has used it too but I haven't heard any anecodtes from him. Loox would using it clubbing and I used it when cold approaching and also when going out. We didn't notice all that much tbh. If there's something going on it must be incredibly subtle.

Nothing mogs pregabalin for clubbing/going out. When used infrequently it's probably the best tool we have for wiping out anxiety completely. Except when ngas take 700mg on their first go and end up becoming epileptics (you know who you are)

 

[soover4me]

Is good skin, hairstyle, teeth, and leanness (i.e., normie looksmaxxing) the best solution?

If you have a good base, yes

 

[lestoa]

I'll start off.

Is good skin, hairstyle, teeth, and leanness (i.e., normie looksmaxxing) the best solution?

every motherfucking normie does this, and its prob not going to ascend u hard
if you want insane results you need to do insane things

 

[Foreverbrad]

Every marriage is a betabuxx. Also I agree with you that it's basically impossible to make money ANYWHERE if you don't have a trust fund and/or rich parents who'll pay your way forever. I hope the fiat system goes poof in our lifetime.

A fellow bitcoin enthusiast I see. Unfortunately it’s not looking likely, there are just too many people who will never trust or understand it.

I'm trying my best wageslaving with an extremely high status job that requires extremely extremely specialised skills in a huge number of fields, but still make just normal money while boomers who can't turn on their laptops make $200k a year with $50M in their pension.

My biggest regret of doing my engineering masters Degree - if I had just worked at a lower level instead, the capital would have made me far more money than my (slightly) higher pay now - and for much easier work.

The rat race is no fun. But you have to realise a lot of girls are starting to take hold of opportunities to work and further their qualifications. Most "good" girls are working full time, already in relationships, using Dad's money to go on holidays, chilling in their social circles where any guys are just gay unscary liberals, and they're just not on Tinder. There's simply less girls on Tinder and the young sluts just go for the Chads.

True but no solution as the social circles of any decent girls are closed to a late bloomer incel (unless you came from wealth or good genetics you’ll unavoidably be at least mid 20s before you can even afford surgery with your life savings).

I think for Tinder to be good, you gotta constantly be on the move. Or use it only when you're on a party Island or something. Because no one really wants to live out a life where they're hitting their 30s, swiping on Tinder in their hometown.

If you’re doing that you might as well geomax entirely. My plan is to maintain residency in the UK but spend the full 180 days fucking around in SEA each year while renting out my UK house if I ever get one.

No one has said it as bluntly as this but I will - No young people simply have money and time. And the 0.0000000000000001% that do, will just be hanging out with other trust fund kids.

Money, time AND looks or the awareness of needing surgeries.

The fact that assets earn money faster than labour, is probably the most brutal blackpill ever. That if all boomer parents were financially literate and fully invested in stocks using a % of the total money they earned over their life (Warren Buffet style investing); compounding would've given them enough to set their kids up to buy a basket of stocks, which could then be used as an income source, and handed down to the grandkids.

My parents destroyed my families generational wealth by not investing. Their parents literally gave them a house. They pissed everything away.

Obviously it's only the upper middle class who could've done that. But the fact that blood sweat and tears don't earn money anywhere near the extent of investing in assets, and sleeping and doing nothing, is sad.

Nope, with the way the S&P increased even investing practically nothing would set up children just fine.

One day we'll have a trustless, decentralised, finite currency which disallows usury though. It will hopefully change the foundations of economics and personal wealth as we know it. And hopefully ease the main issue, which is growing inequality.

To be honest I think the growing inequality is just a “soft” depopulation strategy by the elites to combat climate change and overconsumption.

 

[sub5pslathlete]

Visible muscle mass and a thicker neck

No one wants a twink frameless partner even if its just a little bit of muscle

Very good point
Don’t even need to be huge just have a body that shows u work out

 

[sub5pslathlete]

Peptides in general are probably the best tools for looksmaxxing and longevity.

GHK-cu pairs fantastically with any retinoid because amongst other things it increases RXR/RAR gene expression. I don't think any ONE thing decreases metalloproteinases and simultaneously (directly) increases collagen synthesis. Microneedling is obviously amazing too. Derminator 2 clears all other devices and won't scar your skin like other garbage pens. PDO/PCL threading is another insanely underrated way to stimulate collagen. The figure I've seen is 20%. Whether that compounds with each session I have no Idea but a 20% from just shoving threads in your skin is a fucking huge win.

Epitalon alone has literally fixed my sleep entirely. Was able to get off GABAergics that were keeping me a total junkie.

Thymalin/TA1 & TB500 are good for regulating inflammation. Naltrexone also works amazingly for inflammation in conjunction with those peptides.

Selank (tuftsin derivative) especially in it's acetylated and amidated form is probably the best non-addictive anxiolytic I've ever used. I've shilled it to @Cope. Hope he gets on it. It decreases neuroinflammation massively and acts as an enkephalinase inhibitor which upregulates endorphins. I have created a supplement regimen that allows me to maintain the increased endorphin levels by offsetting any receptor downregulation with low dose naltrexone. With semax (another enkephalinase inhibitior) and selank I'm basically feel like I'm on a smidge of oxycodone all day. Energy is insane.

For hair nothing mogs dutasteride. No point using fin when duta exists. DHT inhibits elastin and you're not hitting 5ar1 if you're only using finasteride. Sides don't exist if you're not a giant sissy.

I'm getting veneers soon which will ascend me by an entire point probably. I have dental flourosis.

@androgenic and I are the only people on this forum that have actually used Vorinostat consistently. Loox even had to explain to a bouncer that his bag of literal powdered vorinostat wasn't cocaine. The most cagefuel thing I've ever heard on PSL. @Cope has used it too but I haven't heard any anecodtes from him. Loox would using it clubbing and I used it when cold approaching and also when going out. We didn't notice all that much tbh. If there's something going on it must be incredibly subtle.

Nothing mogs pregabalin for clubbing/going out. When used infrequently it's probably the best tool we have for wiping out anxiety completely. Except when ngas take 700mg on their first go and end up becoming epileptics (you know who you are)

Is ghk cu like safe?

 

[4ever]

Not a lot of people really do the basics right though. Like who has actually skinmaxxed properly (GHK-cu, SPF and Tret for 5 years straight), with a good hairstyle and leanmaxxed with the gym? I don't think there's been anyone on this forum to ever do that. Vinnie Hacker might be an outside example.

Can you recommend any Ghk Cu source in Europe?

 

[Seth Walsh]

Can you recommend any Ghk Cu source in Europe?

reverseskinaging.com

 

[randommaxxer]

Hello sir, you pose a very good question.
I asked myself this question a while back, somewhere in 2021 when I first started really taking myself seriously.
I believe what you say to be true.


A lot of people are under the assumption that things are being "hid" from them and that with them finding this forum, they discover these hidden things.
In reality, they don't discover anything hidden, they discover the fact that the normie softmaxxes that are peddled alot everywhere, are the solution to most of their problems, it's that simple.
This site is nothing more than a collection of some normie and some obscure looksmax info, alongside a small collection of blackpill posts.

Where this site shines at specifically, is flaws that are harder to fix/ more niche.
Whole threads on PDO, lipolab, surgerymax,heightmax etc.
The collection of info to fix specific flaws is very well developed, and very useful.