Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey (Giant Responses Included)

[truthhurts]

@Clavicular @androgenic @Hernan brutal, giant wasnt even bothered to actually go in detail or help him out they just wanted the money

OP‘s allegations got addressed by giants in another thread, way back.

 

[Org3cel]

OP‘s allegations got addressed by giants in another thread, way back.

TLDR?

 

[JohnDoe]

 

[key]

due to the extreme size of the cheek implants it stretched out my midface prematurely and now a deep plane facelift is needed. so no. i do not look like my old self. just a bloated deflated baloon version of it.

Yes that happens with cheek implants, but its not the stretching mechanism that causes laxity, its the literal repositioning of soft tissue, it has been MOVED and now needs to be moved back. Happens less with intra-oral insertions but anyway.

Also deep plane may not been needed, I've seen amazing results from endoscopic lifts.

 

[truthhurts]

TLDR?

Mane, I nearly forgot almost everything, but in the great scheme, giants adviced him to reheal his facial skin, for one and a half years, before getting his implants, basically OP had surgeries/implant’s beforehand unrealistic views upon that aswell, iirc this guy got elf- ears surgery or wanted to do it, but for the surgery with Giant as the designer, this guy wanted unrealistic bigger sized implants, Giants advices against it, but went all along tho, trying to fulfill his wish. This guy was impatient, and wanted to accelerate his surgery, switched his surgeons many times( 2 of them), then went upon himself to turkey for the surgery, while Giant was in Thailand chilling, while this guy messaged him, that he’s in turkey, giants couldn’t believe it, thinking this guys is joking. And there was also a quite complication with his design, apparently his and others patient designs didn’t got checked, they forgot to message it to OP, yeah, basically after his surgeries and shit, he basically tried to sue him with a lawsuit, but it went nowhere, since it got proven that’s it’s neither giants nor the surgeons fault blah blah blah. Giants tried to help this guy even after this incident, but yeah

 

[mvp2v1]

OP‘s allegations got addressed by giants in another thread, way back.

Which thread?

 

[truthhurts]

Which thread?

Here’s his addressing towards Ops allegations
https://looksmax.org/threads/surgeon-celal-candirli.1391574/post-20288610

@org3cel.RR

 

[pat]

Mane, I nearly forgot almost everything, but in the great scheme, giants adviced him to reheal his facial skin, for one and a half years, before getting his implants, basically OP had surgeries/implant’s beforehand unrealistic views upon that aswell, iirc this guy got elf- ears surgery or wanted to do it, but for the surgery with Giant as the designer, this guy wanted unrealistic bigger sized implants, Giants advices against it, but went all along tho, trying to fulfill his wish. This guy was impatient, and wanted to accelerate his surgery, switched his surgeons many times( 2 of them), then went upon himself to turkey for the surgery, while Giant was in Thailand chilling, while this guy messaged him, that he’s in turkey, giants couldn’t believe it, thinking this guys is joking. And there was also a quite complication with his design, apparently his and others patient designs didn’t got checked, they forgot to message it to OP, yeah, basically after his surgeries and shit, he basically tried to sue him with a lawsuit, but it went nowhere, since it got proven that’s it’s neither giants nor the surgeons fault blah blah blah. Giants tried to help this guy even after this incident, but yeah

believe what you want. i have posted my in depth reply on that thread. its funny how he didnt have a issue taking my money, placing unrealistic gigantic cheek implants in even after telling him my previous ones were too wide ( looking back they were natural compared to what giant did) but calls me difficult when i wanted my existing left jaw matched up to the right ( the side i was happy to leave alone as per out initial zoom call). he is in damage control and when you call out a narcisist on their mistakes they get triggered. i never wanted my surgery accelerated to the point of it not being safe. he is continueslly perpuetuating this narrative because it voids his imcomptence. i was happy to do it at the best possible safest time. all i ever asked for was a in depth consultation, planning, designs and for him to show me what is possible and how to fix the mess created. he never did that. so when the time comes for surgery its all done and all i gotta do is show up. if i was so difficult then why did it he play down my concerns. he would say things like " you need to relax, your case actually isnt that difficult so dont stress".

 

[VainVanVeen]

Mane, I nearly forgot almost everything, but in the great scheme, giants adviced him to reheal his facial skin, for one and a half years, before getting his implants, basically OP had surgeries/implant’s beforehand unrealistic views upon that aswell, iirc this guy got elf- ears surgery or wanted to do it, but for the surgery with Giant as the designer, this guy wanted unrealistic bigger sized implants, Giants advices against it, but went all along tho, trying to fulfill his wish. This guy was impatient, and wanted to accelerate his surgery, switched his surgeons many times( 2 of them), then went upon himself to turkey for the surgery, while Giant was in Thailand chilling, while this guy messaged him, that he’s in turkey, giants couldn’t believe it, thinking this guys is joking. And there was also a quite complication with his design, apparently his and others patient designs didn’t got checked, they forgot to message it to OP, yeah, basically after his surgeries and shit, he basically tried to sue him with a lawsuit, but it went nowhere, since it got proven that’s it’s neither giants nor the surgeons fault blah blah blah. Giants tried to help this guy even after this incident, but yeah

Here’s his addressing towards Ops allegations
https://looksmax.org/threads/surgeon-celal-candirli.1391574/post-20288610

@org3cel.RR

I mean, there's some sort of pattern here, at least from the looks of it. Giant I think has only replied once to those types of thread (pat). So yeah. Edit : By pattern, I mean on Giant's side. Not the people calling him out.

 

[mysterycel]

I don't know how you got botched by giant when he doesn't respond to shit

 

[the_adonis_truecel]

thing is, his jawline before wasn't even bad. Pretty good in fact. (yes we cant see the rest of the face, but still).

if thats really the before jaw was perfect, why did he want surgery (if he doesnt have BDD) ?

 

[the_adonis_truecel]

1. Pat brotha why did u touch your perfect jaw and chin?
2. giant we need an explanation.

yeah doesnt make much sense if the before is not a morph and his actual jaw

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

bro why would you put your face, money, health and time in the hands of a turknigger that brands himself like this

 

[the_adonis_truecel]

I remember you had another implant done before the giant, can you share who did the implant? They were not perfect but they were very good.

jaw angle was perfect and popping, perfect labiomental fold

 

[kazama]

@copercel123 @kazama read

This situation is genuinely disheartening—truly one of the most poorly handled cases I’ve come across. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but that’s the honest truth. Frankly, the warning signs were clear from the start; his lack of professionalism should have been an immediate red flag. I’m sincerely sorry you had to go through this. I hope things get resolved and that you will get it fixed

Damn, that's brutal, bro. What a traitor, he trusted his "life" to a person for her to do this, tbh good to see this is who this guy really is
Harsh reality, it wont be cheap, it wont be easy to find someone trustworthy and trust them
@Seishin Brutal shit brah, read it

 

[kazama]

Can we ban this faggot already ? This guy is misleading members by promoting himself as a surgical design expert without providing any verifiable credentials or legitimate before-and-after results.
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@Master is this guy paying you ?

Why do you have botchers self promoting on this forum

Its crazy that this guy opens his face without u even being sure that hes a professional

 

[SubhumanGrifter]

Not gonna lie, by the looks of the jaw implant sizes and amount of flaring, shit was bout to happen

 

[Weed]

So there are people who actually fall for that shit? jfl

idk dude, I feel bad but u kind of deserved if u felt for it in the first place

Hope you get better.

Also did not read a single word, I just found title funny

I thought the reason his communication is bad was because he fails to scam people, but no there are actually people who fall for that obvious scam. Crazy.

 

[edodalic29]

hate to say it but filler is life

good luck op it’s bad but probably fixable

B-b-b-b-b- migration
i remember when transformations like this was being spammed here and everyone thinking it was bimax but lose their minds when it was simply from filler . You can manipulate filler , the only people going overboard are homosexuals and women .

 

[edodalic29]

fucking brutal man

Sta je ovaj oradio ? jel sam poso de surgery radi na sebe ?

 

[Weed]

Can we ban this faggot already ? This guy is misleading members by promoting himself as a surgical design expert without providing any verifiable credentials or legitimate before-and-after results.
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@Master is this guy paying you ?

Why do you have botchers self promoting on this forum

Weren’t some of his threads pinned too?

 

[dough]

giant will be good one day he just needs to botch some more ppl to hone his skills and perfect his craft.

plz keep going to him and being his guinea pig, its for the greater good!

 

[Deleted member 144017]

dnr a molecule but fuck giant implants i guess

 

[Hernan]

BE?

Belgium.

And same tbh, whats wrong w giant

you think there's anything he can do of other surgery?

 

[Org3cel]

Belgium.

you think there's anything he can do of other surgery?

I didnt understand ur question

 

[Hernan]

I didnt understand ur question

how can he cope?

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Giant always was a meme he's just very good at marketing insecured incels

 

[BoneJovi]

posting this thread after hearing about another patient of giants with irreversable nerve damage on another thread.

im not here to win people over or people to tell me what i should do moving forward. the damage done by giant to my face has already been done. i can only speak of my experience. take what you will from it. but i must emphasise the kind of person he is. i find giant aka lia, an egotistical narcissist who thrives off winning and he does not care who he hurts on the way to the top. he is a person who gaslighted me , constantly changed the narrative to suit himself. delayed everything, stood me up in another country after confirming my revision surgery and refused to take any accountability of his actions. this guy isnt even dr and acts like one. 27 year old who is and was still studying while i was getting a medical service from him. from what ive been told by others its biology and a course he failed at messina university under his belt. he is a fraud and a liar. and ive caught him out so many times.

to summerise, i had facial implants. replace jaw, cheeks chin, supraorbitals. most were misplaced and botched. at first i thought it was the cheeks and chin. i later learned from expert dr the jaw is too. giant aka liam, bill, william, (whatever the hell hes name is) admiited the implants were not placed, positioned and designed well. he pointed out that while it did look good on the scans and renders it did not in real life. a revision was offered,my case was prioritised and it never happened. and he led me on and on and on to the point of no return. i was stood up in another country while he was busy partying his life away in thailand. he is not the real deal in my opinion and not as good as his ego says he is. ask him about revisions? he wont tell you that you are on your own after surgery, the turkish drs wont care about you, youve already left the country, giant wont care, he taken your money hes onto the next. you will eventually disapear and when you decide to speak up he will use his fancy words and theories and make shit up as he goes to protect his reputation. there was a point where giant threatened to sue me ( his very own paying patient) because he simple would not give me any answers and he couldnt handle the simple tasks. but the cracks are starting to appear. i was a patient and paid alot of money. up to 40k to be exact and now i have lost it all and left with a worse face than before. he simply doesnt care. another patient has irreversable nerve damage and giant most likely has ignored him, walks away from problems until they dissapear. other drs know of him they believe he takes things too far. he is young., he is learning and he cannot be trusted or be taken as a surgeon. turkey is his playground due to its lax laws and his crony drs are loving the exposure they are getting at the expense of cashed up foreigners with the promise of a better apperance. dont fall for it. he is training on you.

when i told a clinical psycologist ( who is a aquaintance of mine) about my experiance and what i have been going through she knew exactly what i was going through. she says these are the typical traits of a extreme narcisist who is seeing this as a game and enjoying every minute of control he has over you. i was woken up to this psycological trauma by her and she advised that i need to walk away because this guy will not do what he set out he will do. as long as i am seen as weak and inferior then he will continue to play these games.. but me being nice i gave gaint the benefit of the doubt time and time again. i felt like a fool trying to get a simple hello back and answers regarding my case and getting a simple update on what is going on. this shit dragged on for over a year. we all know giant has the worst communication in the world. you may be wondering why hung around so long if i didnt trust him? guys trust me. when you pay up to 40000 dollars on something you are stuck with them and want to get your moneys worth. its not easy to drop everything and go to someone else.

surgically and design wise this guy single handedly vertically shortened my face destroying my facial thirds, widened my cheekbones beyond comprehension making me look like lil kim/jigsaw, upon waking i could feel a lump under my eye and knew straight away something was wrong because the infraorbital was extremely tender to touch. not to mention my tooth crown was knocked off by the surgeon, bloated out my whole midface with his awful cheek design (which i was told was highset with strongest eminence), misplaced and poorly designed my jaw implants which could have been placed better and EVEN, placed my chin wonky and offcentre and made my once decent lower third into a jawline with huge step off, no smooth contour and with sloppy incision work (by the surgeon). not to mention my suprarbitals are pressing down on my eyes givng me an aged,neandathal appearence. he didnt blend the jaw and chin flaps which creates a cartoonish rojar ramjet like chin with a deep labiomental fold. the chin almots looks "stuck on". why do i know this? because im currently consulting with other experts and these are their findings. giant destroyed any harmony i had in my face, threw off all the proportions and did what he wanted to do. my result is not the result of someone who calls himself the world greatest most experienced i private mplant designer of all time. false..

dont be fooled. the 2d renders are giants selling point. but in real life i looked terrible. i had to put a mask on to leave the house. i was mortified. in one of the attachments you can see i send giant a photo of how i dont want my cheeks to look like. well let me tell you. he made them even worse. you can see he wrote back saying " i have studied his look, about what NOT to do". my previous cheek implants which were done by the iconic dr eppley were much higher and smaller. after giants work i looked like i had multiple pronouns. looking back. my previous semi custom made cheek implants and previous jaw implants were much better.

i had a infection and lab results came back as ECOLI (yuck) inside my cheek bone which according to my drs , was done In the OR in turkey and a surgical skin infection on my right jaw which caused soft tissue damage and ongoing fluid drainage. basically my operation was doomed from the start. it was a shitstorm.. literally.

aesthetically, i want to point out that if you look at my jawline even if i didnt have a soft tissue problem take a look at giants lousy attempt at creating a better jawline or matching it. he completly DECIMATED my mandible with his ego and design. " dont worry everything looks perfect, you will love it, its a much better contour than what you have now, you are one of my favourite cases". check out the step off, the shape of the jawimplant which was made worse than my previous, the angle of the jaw, the deep cut under my chin where i have a chunk of skin missing. and the deep labiomental fold and my midface laxity. all of which i had NONE of before him and his surgeon touched me. there was zero finesse in this surgery by him and the surgeon. i thought i had worse surgery but this one takes the cake. the top part of the photo is me prior to surgery, and the bottom half is the after. a complete mess. and he has the audacity to call me difficult when he is suppose to be the expert. give me a break. what an unsult to plastic and max fax surgeons who dedicate decades into their craft and expertise.

attached you will see my scans taken soon after surgery. wonky chin, off centre, right jaw not positioned the same as left. right jaw and chin flaps not even on the bone, left cheek majorly misplaced and supraorbitals extremely low. they may seem normal under the Ct scan but in real life the issues are magnified.

i have hundreds of screenshots to prove my point and voice recordings. i never got my revision and people need to take note that this can and will happen to you. your money will be gone to some tik tok famous designer, and youll be left on read for months years and wont be prioritised. all i ever wanted was some guidance, hope, direction and some validation regarding my case. instead i was made to feel inferior, constantly walking on eggshells, at times often sucking up to him because i felt like i had to, cancelling my whole life because i was living in false hope that today is the day he will start my design and talk to me on zoom. a revision date was finally confirmed 13 months after the initial surgery and giant stood me up. he deliberatly stopped responding to my messeges up to a month leading to my operation date and blocked me from viewing his stories and left me on read. even though i had important details to be confirmed such as renders and finilisation of designs. he loved stringing me alone and when i told him i was in istanbul for my surgery he replied with " HOWS THAT". he was suppsed to be there but he was in thailand partying into the moonlight. this guy never did my case. he gatekeeped the whole thing from me and eventually he got what he wanted which was avoiding a revision and paying for his implants. which mind you he does a quick trip to france to pick them up because apparently when he sends them to turkey their customs department holds them and doesnt release them quickly. wierd.

when things get tough , he flys off to another country and when you ask him to do something he promised to do he will say things like " im too sick today to do anything, almost, soon, youre so close to finishing dont worry, its not a rush, you need to relax". he is a master manipulator and deflector. i was in istanbul coincedentely couple of months ago and i decided to extend an olive branch to him after he fucked me over. we were 5 minutes away from each other and i proposed. to him to meet me at the lobby and get this shit sorted once and for all. and ding dong. he confirmed to meet me then the next morning he bailed, citing that he was sick and meeting a friend. i then proposed i will meet him on zoom that night or day after. again. he stopped replying and left me on read. i asked myself why the fuck am i so stupid for falling these games again and i need to snap the fuck out of it. the ptsd i was getting from going through it again was enough. i officially gave up and now i am not going back. and i should have woken up to myself and broken free from giants shackles a very long time ago. he is disingenuine and the whole experiance with him was insufferable from start to finish.

when i ask him simple questions he would further demorilise me and send me his hidous green monster emojis. it was like talking to a 5 year old.
he would always say things like " there is noone ahead of you, you are the next case, its not a rush, youre on the verge of finishing, im sending you everything tonight". there is even a voice note i have of him telling me " you know i usually dont work weekends but this weekend im going to work on YOU". i said " thankyou thankyou thankyou!. well a couple of days had passed i was like kid at xmas waiting for my gift. he simply had nothing for me. when i told him that he literally told me he will be finished by the end of the weekend he said " yes but that doesnt mean i am finished". honestly wtf. how stupid does he think i am. something is going on with his mind man. I find it really hard to believe that for 12 months he did nothing and noone. or could it be that he is lazy and doesnt work at all. each theory is probable.

you will see in the attachments ( there is a limit of only 25 , i have hundreds) towards the end of the year leading up my surgery he completly ghosted me. i had booked a non refundable flight ( after he approved on it), scheduled and confirmed the surgery with drs assistant , ofcourse giant had confirmed the surgery date and that i am able to book my ticket and said that " he wil be ready". yes there were alot of messeges and in between those messeges i could see him being active on social media. in those weeks i got nothing, i was promised renders, finalisations of implants, everything. i got absolutley nothing. he gatekeeped everything including my designs and enjoyed watching me spiral because i just spent al this money on a flight and hotels. he further had the audacity to finally write back and say he is delayed by 5 or 6 days and that i should extend my trip or cancel my flight. knowing that i had booked a non refundable ticket. i stayed all that time and he further ghosted me. i want to point out that he never showed me the important details of the new design. he would show me one picture and thats it. i asked so many times pictures and measurements of all the other angles and a superimposed pic of the my previous and new implants so i can compare and work out with him what will work and what wont. he dangled this shit over me like i was a dog so i would literally beg for more. no medical ethical provider does that to anyone..

to make matter worse. i had gotten a random face rating by a looksmax expert about 4 years ago. i decided to get another one after giant did my implants. well not to my surprise my ratings went down on some important areas that weren't as issue previously. but i knew that already. i didnt need someone to tell me what went wrong.

there was also a time where i contacted paypal to dispute my payment i made to giant because he did not start my revision case and he was taking me for a ride. he quickly argued against the chargeback to paypal and got his way out of it. i decided he would finally take this seriously and cancelled the dispute. well to noones surprise he was back to his old behaviour and nothing changed.

giant cancels people and fires clients who don't agree with him. simple as that. i am not trusting someone like that ever again. thank god for ethical drs who actually look after you and validate your concerns. lets not forget earlier this year he posted a picture of someones implants on his stories and i quote he said " this case was cancelled because the patient was sending sassy emails, dont do that". noone in their right mind does that unless its someone with a god complex. on the spectrum? probably. ill even go as far as thinking that giant does mock up designs and renders on any ct scan he can find, posts them on social media and calls it a upcoming or completed "case". who knows..

where are the other patients? a guy called chip posted about his irreversable nerve damage and giant hasnt reached out by the looks of it. more people will speak up. dont worry. i am sure we are some of many botched cases.

i wont be surprised in the slightest he will defend every single thing i have said. i dont give a shit anymore. this is MY truth and i will not be silenced. and after hundreds of people begging me to do a thread. you guys finally have it. do your due diligance and do you research. i wish i went to a proper provider. attachments below are only small snippits and extremely compressed version to support my review.

Bro is chopped himself he wanted to nerf you

 

[VainVanVeen]

Giant always was a meme he's just very good at marketing insecured incels

I think it’s both, he’s capable of both extremes result wise. Ramieri and Pagnonj wouldn’t collab with him otherwise.

 

[pouetpouet]

View attachment 3765774Bro is chopped himself he wanted to nerf you

Looks like a virgin young boy
Why not doing his own implants on himself? scared to be botched ?

 

[fika2]

View attachment 3765774Bro is chopped himself he wanted to nerf you

the hat makes it 10x funnier

 

[mysterycel]

I'm not gonna defend Giant entirely, but after reading your post OP, both this one and your other, you gotta have some severe BDD. In your before photos, you looked fine, I'm not honestly too sure what you hoped to gain from surgery. You should seek out counseling or help, if you've studied implants, you should have known that those implants were outlandish, and it seems like Giant warned you it could happen.

As for the newfags here, he's trusted by serious surgeons, and yes, he himself is not a surgeon, he doesn't advertise himself as such. Celal also should have probably pushed back on putting those implants in you, knowing this would be the outcome. There was a communication failure here. That said, Giant is a dogshit communicator, and by far and a way, that's his worst trait. He's terrible at responding to e-mails and DMs on all platforms over 3 - 4 years. Maybe it's different for his paying customers, but I've tried soliciting his advice and info a few times, and I decided to move on after not getting responses.

There also seems to be a misconception about how surgical planning works in this thread and the reason why people try to go to Giant. Surgeons don't design the implants themselves, they usually send to a 3rd party that designs the implants, and then they send them to the Surgeon. The 3rd party is typically not someone incredibly specialized in how facial muscles work, soft tissue, or otherwise. Usually a surgeon will go back and forth a couple of times with the designer to get the correct piece. Some will go above and beyond that, but not very many (this is the price difference for your normal Maxilliofacial specialist VS. Pagnoni, Ramieri, Raffiani, and others). The reason surgeon's have been going to Giant more and more is because he does have an understanding of how those tissues and muscles work, it's not just because he's a blackpilled incel freak. Normal people are in contact with him and do work with him.

I don't wish for a botch on anyone, and if anything, your post is a cautionary tale for hardmaxxers, there is only so far you can go before you have to accept that you are just genetically at your limit. Based on your before photos, I would say you were about at your limit. I hope you can recover and wish you good health.

 

[puniteking]

B-b-b-b-b- migration
i remember when transformations like this was being spammed here and everyone thinking it was bimax but lose their minds when it was simply from filler . You can manipulate filler , the only people going overboard are homosexuals and women .
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Nah implants are good just don’t go to Türkiye

 

[BoneJovi]

So there are people who actually fall for that shit? jfl

idk dude, I feel bad but u kind of deserved if u felt for it in the first place

Hope you get better.

Also did not read a single word, I just found title funny

I thought the reason his communication is bad was because he fails to scam people, but no there are actually people who fall for that obvious scam. Crazy.

Me when I have to read more than 3 words:

 

[pat]

I'm not gonna defend Giant entirely, but after reading your post OP, both this one and your other, you gotta have some severe BDD. In your before photos, you looked fine, I'm not honestly too sure what you hoped to gain from surgery. You should seek out counseling or help, if you've studied implants, you should have known that those implants were outlandish, and it seems like Giant warned you it could happen.

As for the newfags here, he's trusted by serious surgeons, and yes, he himself is not a surgeon, he doesn't advertise himself as such. Celal also should have probably pushed back on putting those implants in you, knowing this would be the outcome. There was a communication failure here. That said, Giant is a dogshit communicator, and by far and a way, that's his worst trait. He's terrible at responding to e-mails and DMs on all platforms over 3 - 4 years. Maybe it's different for his paying customers, but I've tried soliciting his advice and info a few times, and I decided to move on after not getting responses.

There also seems to be a misconception about how surgical planning works in this thread and the reason why people try to go to Giant. Surgeons don't design the implants themselves, they usually send to a 3rd party that designs the implants, and then they send them to the Surgeon. The 3rd party is typically not someone incredibly specialized in how facial muscles work, soft tissue, or otherwise. Usually a surgeon will go back and forth a couple of times with the designer to get the correct piece. Some will go above and beyond that, but not very many (this is the price difference for your normal Maxilliofacial specialist VS. Pagnoni, Ramieri, Raffiani, and others). The reason surgeon's have been going to Giant more and more is because he does have an understanding of how those tissues and muscles work, it's not just because he's a blackpilled incel freak. Normal people are in contact with him and do work with him.

I don't wish for a botch on anyone, and if anything, your post is a cautionary tale for hardmaxxers, there is only so far you can go before you have to accept that you are just genetically at your limit. Based on your before photos, I would say you were about at your limit. I hope you can recover and wish you good health.

youre right. i did look fine....

the goal was to simply balance out my face and not have a dominent side. that picture i provided was my dominent "good side" and i wanted giant to measure that side and match the other side of my face to it as it was my weaker side", take measurements from my past cheek implants (done over 8 years ago) which were not custom made and create a customised version of it while keeping a high cheek bone look. i had my jaw done over 10 years ago and it remained there for 10 years. i was not running around seeing various drs trying to make it bigger. i got what i wanted in my right side. infact during out first zoom call i pointed out that i was happy to leave the jaws alone as understand it would be too risky to open it up after all these years. or even leave one side in and just match the other. and then he has the audacity to call me difficult for requesting something i already had in there and didnt need removing. so much for telling me my new jaw will be a much contour and shape and exactly the same. it clearly was not. and the chin.. well thats just a massive fuckup on its own. so much for getting custom implants and getting them designed, executed and positioned in the worst possible way. beyond that my post is highlighting the psycological stress he put me through and how he fucked me over in every possible way financially and mentally. i was a patient, i seeked a "professional" for a service. and that service was riddled with red flags and heartache and finally after being silenced i am sharing my truth.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

OP, you've been a member since 2022. You admitted to seeing threads about botched implants, about the user with nerve damage. You knew what shit designs looked like and yet you still saw them and approved them. You knew that conservative designs are key for implants. Not enough with that, but you went to TURKEY to get them done, instead of going to one of the many highly recommended surgeons you can find if you spend even 10 minutes on this site.

Not saying Giant had no part in this, because those we're his designs, but it was YOUR fault for going through. Your post was nothing but finger pointing and taking zero accountability.

Its why I tell everyone to put your HEALTH FIRST OVER EVERYTHING.

Lucky for you, it seems you don't have any nerve damage, and I hope that remains.

So you can do the following:

1. Seek treatment in the west from a surgeon with extensive experience in implant removals
2. Take their advice, it may be that some of those implants can be repositioned, and potentially even reshaped / reinstalled, a competent surgeon will tell you
3. Go from there, if you need them removed, you can address any latency in the soft tissue with deep plane lifts

Good luck.

Sensible comment.

I think pat was guilty of bad judgement but equally, it's also not acceptable that he was stood up after pre-agreeing a date for a revision.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Join org in 2022 and start reading threads after you hardmax theory. Think I found your problem.

Could've, should've, would've is a dangerous game to play so I won't even start, you can get lost inside your own head, and it seems you still have some semblance of optimism so I'd rather you focus on that.

Implant removals don't usually leave you looking any worse than before you had them put in. Worst case you will look like your old self. You could also replace them with more conservative designs.

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[fika2]

Sensible comment.

I think pat was guilty of bad judgement but equally, it's also not acceptable that he was stood up after pre-agreeing a date for a revision.

yeah the lack of responses is the biggest red flag IMO. this guy does seem like he had unrealistic expectations with no thoughts of potential risks but at the same time the job was done extremely poorly and with no responses its incredibly scary.

one thing that is really insane to me is the fact that he said he wasn't shown any before and afters.

 

[Deleted member 107377]

Read everything, so brutal.

 

[fika2]

posting this thread after hearing about another patient of giants with irreversable nerve damage on another thread.

im not here to win people over or people to tell me what i should do moving forward. the damage done by giant to my face has already been done. i can only speak of my experience. take what you will from it. but i must emphasise the kind of person he is. i find giant aka lia, an egotistical narcissist who thrives off winning and he does not care who he hurts on the way to the top. he is a person who gaslighted me , constantly changed the narrative to suit himself. delayed everything, stood me up in another country after confirming my revision surgery and refused to take any accountability of his actions. this guy isnt even dr and acts like one. 27 year old who is and was still studying while i was getting a medical service from him. from what ive been told by others its biology and a course he failed at messina university under his belt. he is a fraud and a liar. and ive caught him out so many times.

to summerise, i had facial implants. replace jaw, cheeks chin, supraorbitals. most were misplaced and botched. at first i thought it was the cheeks and chin. i later learned from expert dr the jaw is too. giant aka liam, bill, william, (whatever the hell hes name is) admiited the implants were not placed, positioned and designed well. he pointed out that while it did look good on the scans and renders it did not in real life. a revision was offered,my case was prioritised and it never happened. and he led me on and on and on to the point of no return. i was stood up in another country while he was busy partying his life away in thailand. he is not the real deal in my opinion and not as good as his ego says he is. ask him about revisions? he wont tell you that you are on your own after surgery, the turkish drs wont care about you, youve already left the country, giant wont care, he taken your money hes onto the next. you will eventually disapear and when you decide to speak up he will use his fancy words and theories and make shit up as he goes to protect his reputation. there was a point where giant threatened to sue me ( his very own paying patient) because he simple would not give me any answers and he couldnt handle the simple tasks. but the cracks are starting to appear. i was a patient and paid alot of money. up to 40k to be exact and now i have lost it all and left with a worse face than before. he simply doesnt care. another patient has irreversable nerve damage and giant most likely has ignored him, walks away from problems until they dissapear. other drs know of him they believe he takes things too far. he is young., he is learning and he cannot be trusted or be taken as a surgeon. turkey is his playground due to its lax laws and his crony drs are loving the exposure they are getting at the expense of cashed up foreigners with the promise of a better apperance. dont fall for it. he is training on you.

when i told a clinical psycologist ( who is a aquaintance of mine) about my experiance and what i have been going through she knew exactly what i was going through. she says these are the typical traits of a extreme narcisist who is seeing this as a game and enjoying every minute of control he has over you. i was woken up to this psycological trauma by her and she advised that i need to walk away because this guy will not do what he set out he will do. as long as i am seen as weak and inferior then he will continue to play these games.. but me being nice i gave gaint the benefit of the doubt time and time again. i felt like a fool trying to get a simple hello back and answers regarding my case and getting a simple update on what is going on. this shit dragged on for over a year. we all know giant has the worst communication in the world. you may be wondering why hung around so long if i didnt trust him? guys trust me. when you pay up to 40000 dollars on something you are stuck with them and want to get your moneys worth. its not easy to drop everything and go to someone else.

surgically and design wise this guy single handedly vertically shortened my face destroying my facial thirds, widened my cheekbones beyond comprehension making me look like lil kim/jigsaw, upon waking i could feel a lump under my eye and knew straight away something was wrong because the infraorbital was extremely tender to touch. not to mention my tooth crown was knocked off by the surgeon, bloated out my whole midface with his awful cheek design (which i was told was highset with strongest eminence), misplaced and poorly designed my jaw implants which could have been placed better and EVEN, placed my chin wonky and offcentre and made my once decent lower third into a jawline with huge step off, no smooth contour and with sloppy incision work (by the surgeon). not to mention my suprarbitals are pressing down on my eyes givng me an aged,neandathal appearence. he didnt blend the jaw and chin flaps which creates a cartoonish rojar ramjet like chin with a deep labiomental fold. the chin almots looks "stuck on". why do i know this? because im currently consulting with other experts and these are their findings. giant destroyed any harmony i had in my face, threw off all the proportions and did what he wanted to do. my result is not the result of someone who calls himself the world greatest most experienced i private mplant designer of all time. false..

dont be fooled. the 2d renders are giants selling point. but in real life i looked terrible. i had to put a mask on to leave the house. i was mortified. in one of the attachments you can see i send giant a photo of how i dont want my cheeks to look like. well let me tell you. he made them even worse. you can see he wrote back saying " i have studied his look, about what NOT to do". my previous cheek implants which were done by the iconic dr eppley were much higher and smaller. after giants work i looked like i had multiple pronouns. looking back. my previous semi custom made cheek implants and previous jaw implants were much better.

i had a infection and lab results came back as ECOLI (yuck) inside my cheek bone which according to my drs , was done In the OR in turkey and a surgical skin infection on my right jaw which caused soft tissue damage and ongoing fluid drainage. basically my operation was doomed from the start. it was a shitstorm.. literally.

aesthetically, i want to point out that if you look at my jawline even if i didnt have a soft tissue problem take a look at giants lousy attempt at creating a better jawline or matching it. he completly DECIMATED my mandible with his ego and design. " dont worry everything looks perfect, you will love it, its a much better contour than what you have now, you are one of my favourite cases". check out the step off, the shape of the jawimplant which was made worse than my previous, the angle of the jaw, the deep cut under my chin where i have a chunk of skin missing. and the deep labiomental fold and my midface laxity. all of which i had NONE of before him and his surgeon touched me. there was zero finesse in this surgery by him and the surgeon. i thought i had worse surgery but this one takes the cake. the top part of the photo is me prior to surgery, and the bottom half is the after. a complete mess. and he has the audacity to call me difficult when he is suppose to be the expert. give me a break. what an unsult to plastic and max fax surgeons who dedicate decades into their craft and expertise.

attached you will see my scans taken soon after surgery. wonky chin, off centre, right jaw not positioned the same as left. right jaw and chin flaps not even on the bone, left cheek majorly misplaced and supraorbitals extremely low. they may seem normal under the Ct scan but in real life the issues are magnified.

i have hundreds of screenshots to prove my point and voice recordings. i never got my revision and people need to take note that this can and will happen to you. your money will be gone to some tik tok famous designer, and youll be left on read for months years and wont be prioritised. all i ever wanted was some guidance, hope, direction and some validation regarding my case. instead i was made to feel inferior, constantly walking on eggshells, at times often sucking up to him because i felt like i had to, cancelling my whole life because i was living in false hope that today is the day he will start my design and talk to me on zoom. a revision date was finally confirmed 13 months after the initial surgery and giant stood me up. he deliberatly stopped responding to my messeges up to a month leading to my operation date and blocked me from viewing his stories and left me on read. even though i had important details to be confirmed such as renders and finilisation of designs. he loved stringing me alone and when i told him i was in istanbul for my surgery he replied with " HOWS THAT". he was suppsed to be there but he was in thailand partying into the moonlight. this guy never did my case. he gatekeeped the whole thing from me and eventually he got what he wanted which was avoiding a revision and paying for his implants. which mind you he does a quick trip to france to pick them up because apparently when he sends them to turkey their customs department holds them and doesnt release them quickly. wierd.

when things get tough , he flys off to another country and when you ask him to do something he promised to do he will say things like " im too sick today to do anything, almost, soon, youre so close to finishing dont worry, its not a rush, you need to relax". he is a master manipulator and deflector. i was in istanbul coincedentely couple of months ago and i decided to extend an olive branch to him after he fucked me over. we were 5 minutes away from each other and i proposed. to him to meet me at the lobby and get this shit sorted once and for all. and ding dong. he confirmed to meet me then the next morning he bailed, citing that he was sick and meeting a friend. i then proposed i will meet him on zoom that night or day after. again. he stopped replying and left me on read. i asked myself why the fuck am i so stupid for falling these games again and i need to snap the fuck out of it. the ptsd i was getting from going through it again was enough. i officially gave up and now i am not going back. and i should have woken up to myself and broken free from giants shackles a very long time ago. he is disingenuine and the whole experiance with him was insufferable from start to finish.

when i ask him simple questions he would further demorilise me and send me his hidous green monster emojis. it was like talking to a 5 year old.
he would always say things like " there is noone ahead of you, you are the next case, its not a rush, youre on the verge of finishing, im sending you everything tonight". there is even a voice note i have of him telling me " you know i usually dont work weekends but this weekend im going to work on YOU". i said " thankyou thankyou thankyou!. well a couple of days had passed i was like kid at xmas waiting for my gift. he simply had nothing for me. when i told him that he literally told me he will be finished by the end of the weekend he said " yes but that doesnt mean i am finished". honestly wtf. how stupid does he think i am. something is going on with his mind man. I find it really hard to believe that for 12 months he did nothing and noone. or could it be that he is lazy and doesnt work at all. each theory is probable.

you will see in the attachments ( there is a limit of only 25 , i have hundreds) towards the end of the year leading up my surgery he completly ghosted me. i had booked a non refundable flight ( after he approved on it), scheduled and confirmed the surgery with drs assistant , ofcourse giant had confirmed the surgery date and that i am able to book my ticket and said that " he wil be ready". yes there were alot of messeges and in between those messeges i could see him being active on social media. in those weeks i got nothing, i was promised renders, finalisations of implants, everything. i got absolutley nothing. he gatekeeped everything including my designs and enjoyed watching me spiral because i just spent al this money on a flight and hotels. he further had the audacity to finally write back and say he is delayed by 5 or 6 days and that i should extend my trip or cancel my flight. knowing that i had booked a non refundable ticket. i stayed all that time and he further ghosted me. i want to point out that he never showed me the important details of the new design. he would show me one picture and thats it. i asked so many times pictures and measurements of all the other angles and a superimposed pic of the my previous and new implants so i can compare and work out with him what will work and what wont. he dangled this shit over me like i was a dog so i would literally beg for more. no medical ethical provider does that to anyone..

to make matter worse. i had gotten a random face rating by a looksmax expert about 4 years ago. i decided to get another one after giant did my implants. well not to my surprise my ratings went down on some important areas that weren't as issue previously. but i knew that already. i didnt need someone to tell me what went wrong.

there was also a time where i contacted paypal to dispute my payment i made to giant because he did not start my revision case and he was taking me for a ride. he quickly argued against the chargeback to paypal and got his way out of it. i decided he would finally take this seriously and cancelled the dispute. well to noones surprise he was back to his old behaviour and nothing changed.

giant cancels people and fires clients who don't agree with him. simple as that. i am not trusting someone like that ever again. thank god for ethical drs who actually look after you and validate your concerns. lets not forget earlier this year he posted a picture of someones implants on his stories and i quote he said " this case was cancelled because the patient was sending sassy emails, dont do that". noone in their right mind does that unless its someone with a god complex. on the spectrum? probably. ill even go as far as thinking that giant does mock up designs and renders on any ct scan he can find, posts them on social media and calls it a upcoming or completed "case". who knows..

where are the other patients? a guy called chip posted about his irreversable nerve damage and giant hasnt reached out by the looks of it. more people will speak up. dont worry. i am sure we are some of many botched cases.

i wont be surprised in the slightest he will defend every single thing i have said. i dont give a shit anymore. this is MY truth and i will not be silenced. and after hundreds of people begging me to do a thread. you guys finally have it. do your due diligance and do you research. i wish i went to a proper provider. attachments below are only small snippits and extremely compressed version to support my review.

the worst part from this is the fucking placement. i wonder what he's gonna do to make sure that doesn't happen anymore.

because the placement is diabolical, especially for someone who talks about how precise he is. I know he didn't place them himself so I wonder if he just wont work with that surgeon anymore or something

 

[Deleted member 15866]

you are not safe from getting botched even after paying 40k for basically nothing or even worse than your starting point

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

you are not safe from getting botched even after paying 40k for basically nothing or even worse than your starting point

Just go to Italy and don't cheap on Turkey

Giant's problem is that he acts with arrogance praising how much better he is than any other surgeon' designer, claims he never had botches while we already see bunch of them that look as comical sadly than Eppley 's squared jaws

 

[Whirr22222]

Ready to become the 3rd bogdanoff twin??? @Clavicular

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Just go to Italy and don't cheap on Turkey

Giant's problem is that he acts with arrogance praising how much better he is than any other surgeon' designer, claims he never had botches while we already see bunch of them that look as comical sadly than Eppley 's squared jaws

money problems aside (i am Turkish) i legit need lefort 3, not autism or bdd

my infras are recessed like crazy

that kind of procedure would probably push into 6 figures in Europe let alone if i could find anyone to operate...

i guess my only hope is praying to god that he doesnt botch me...

 

[Deleted member 15866]

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[Whirr22222]

youre right. i did look fine....

the goal was to simply balance out my face and not have a dominent side. that picture i provided was my dominent "good side" and i wanted giant to measure that side and match the other side of my face to it as it was my weaker side", take measurements from my past cheek implants (done over 8 years ago) which were not custom made and create a customised version of it while keeping a high cheek bone look. i had my jaw done over 10 years ago and it remained there for 10 years. i was not running around seeing various drs trying to make it bigger. i got what i wanted in my right side. infact during out first zoom call i pointed out that i was happy to leave the jaws alone as understand it would be too risky to open it up after all these years. or even leave one side in and just match the other. and then he has the audacity to call me difficult for requesting something i already had in there and didnt need removing. so much for telling me my new jaw will be a much contour and shape and exactly the same. it clearly was not. and the chin.. well thats just a massive fuckup on its own. so much for getting custom implants and getting them designed, executed and positioned in the worst possible way. beyond that my post is highlighting the psycological stress he put me through and how he fucked me over in every possible way financially and mentally. i was a patient, i seeked a "professional" for a service. and that service was riddled with red flags and heartache and finally after being silenced i am sharing my truth.

Bro wdym balance out ur face u got like 1cm+ implants...

 

[HTNGOD]

- Not a licensed doctor
- still chooses him

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

money problems aside (i am Turkish) i legit need lefort 3, not autism or bdd

my infras are recessed like crazy

that kind of procedure would probably push into 6 figures in Europe let alone if i could find anyone to operate...

i guess my only hope is praying to god that he doesnt botch me...

One user got quote from Pagnoni Lefort 3 for 80k

 

[LEFORT17]

Just go to Italy and don't cheap on Turkey

Giant's problem is that he acts with arrogance praising how much better he is than any other surgeon' designer, claims he never had botches while we already see bunch of them that look as comical sadly than Eppley 's squared jaws

it aint even cheap for turkey prices

 

[LEFORT17]

One user got quote from Pagnoni Lefort 3 for 80k

can u respond to my dm