Breastfeeding leads to a more recessed Maxilla than bottlefeeding (The HIDDEN REALITY)

[Deleted member 360680]

Also btw, you have to qualify for Lefort. If your class 1 and otherwise healthy it's gonna be hard to do that especially if you truly mog

My side is convex so class 2

 

[erikt7]

My side is convex so class 2

Makes more sense, since you weren't breastfed. But this is literally living evidence of the mechanism of breastfeeding mixed with mostly genes. Breastfeeding didn't let your maxilla get retruded hence ur upper jaw exceeds ur lower (conversely lower wasn't brought forward)

 

[81xa]

how about doing an ounce of research before deciding to make a guide retarded greycel it took me less than 20 seconds to find this

Relationship between Breastfeeding and Malocclusion: A Systematic Review of the Literature - PMC

Background: The purpose of this systematic review was to analyze the available literature about the influence of breastfeeding in primary and mixed dentition on different types of malocclusions. Methods: Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Hernan]

this is bullshit and against human nature.

 

[Ahmed88]

Kys cherrypicked gpt slop

 

[erikt7]

Kys cherrypicked gpt slop

I wrote it all myself faggot

 

[erikt7]

how about doing an ounce of research before deciding to make a guide retarded greycel it took me less than 20 seconds to find this
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Relationship between Breastfeeding and Malocclusion: A Systematic Review of the Literature - PMC

Background: The purpose of this systematic review was to analyze the available literature about the influence of breastfeeding in primary and mixed dentition on different types of malocclusions. Methods: Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Took you less than 20 seconds to find a study that just says breastfeeding reduces the risk of class 2 malocclusion which is what i wrote in the fucking post you idiot. Try to actually read the study you moron. Do u even know what a class 2 bite is you bottle fed moron? Fuck me how stupid are you niggas my point stands even according to this study breastfeeding doesn't push ur maxilla forwards

 

[erikt7]

this is bullshit and against human nature.

Read what I wrote faggot I literally said breastfeeding is better.

 

[volkan]

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"Heat maps showing the effect of breastfeeding duration at four different thresholds on facial surface shape. Each face shows the 3D surface normal displacement at a given threshold relative to the observed mean face from the non-breastfed group. For example, the >6 month comparison shows the facial effect of breastfeeding for at least 7 months relative to the non-breastfed group. For interpretation, blue indicates that the breastfed group shows inward retrusion relative to the non-breastfed group, while red indicates outward protrusion. The colormap is on the same scale for every comparison."

"We observed a statistically significant association between breastfeeding duration (measured to 24 months) and facial shape. As breastfeeding duration increased, we observed a pattern of retrusion in involving the central midface (most prominent in the philtrum and medial canthal region) and protrusion in the forehead and cheeks. Although there was a tendency toward mandibular protrusion, the effect in this region was not statistically significant. Thus, our initial prediction that breastfeeding would impact the midface and mandible was partially borne out. The combined effect of the aforementioned shape changes was one of decreased facial convexity with increased breastfeeding duration."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11407646/

I've been seeing too many tales on here about the importance of breastfeeding and how it causes people to have more forward grown maxilla (JFL),
some of you niggas are fucking retards who believe this shit.

When a baby is born they naturally have a recessed mandible and a forward maxilla (class 2 esq)
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During breastfeeding the mandible comes forwards and the maxilla retrudes backwards to create a flatter "class 1 esq profile"
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But muh Mike mew said breastfeeding leads to a more forward maxilla! No it doesn't truecel, if you have a recessed maxilla and especially and underbite and you weren't breastfed then truly it was over from the start since ur mandible should the one thing recessed not your maxilla. Go kiss ur mom for being a stupid whore (who doesn't care for you) and giving you Jewish Baby milk so you didn't become even more recessed.

of course breastfeeding is superior (leads to a more balanced profile, wider palate, boosts IQ, and is the more natural option) but the amount of Bullshit that I see on this forum gives me a headache sometimes, all you guys have to do is stop being low IQ retards and actually look at the studies breastfeeding does NOT provide someone with "more" forward growth than if that same person was breastfed. It's the other way around nigga .

In the study it literally says "What we can say is that by adolescence, the effect on outward facial appearance appears to be negligible. Moreover, the effects of breastfeeding could disappear altogether as the children in this study approach puberty and adulthood." In other words. Your looks are PURELY GENETIC stop with this cope about "I could've been great if my slut mother breastfed me etc etc" it was over from the day you got birthed. Chad doesn't need breastfeeding from his mother when all the stacies let him suck their titties all day long. LDAR

stop using slurs

 

[erikt7]

stop using slurs

Is this not allowed, I will stop

 

[81xa]

Took you less than 20 seconds to find a study that just says breastfeeding reduces the risk of class 2 malocclusion which is what i wrote in the fucking post you idiot. Try to actually read the study you moron. Do u even know what a class 2 bite is you bottle fed moron? Fuck me how stupid are you niggas my point stands even according to this study breastfeeding doesn't push ur maxilla forwards

ok faggot read this one

Infant and Baby Feeding and the Development of the Maxillofacial Complex Based on Own Observations and the Literature - PMC

The method and technique of feeding a young child affect the shape of the maxillofacial complex. Breastfeeding is the recommended method of feeding in the first six months of life. It is encouraged to continue natural feeding in later months, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Breastfeeding is the recommended method because it positively shapes the maxillofacial complex.
• The sucking mechanism during breastfeeding involves strong tongue pressure against the palate, which stimulates forward and transverse (sideways) growth of the maxilla.
• Bottle feeding creates different muscle activity and tongue positioning (often lower/posterior), leading to narrower maxillary arches, higher palates, and less optimal forward growth.

 

[erikt7]

I think its sad with all these people coping with that like if they developed better or diffrently and all that they would have been beautiful. While that might be true in some cases. For most people the diffrence development made on their looks and as an person as an general is very minimal to an degree where it's negligible. The actual bone diffrence in development is small and also the effect habits has on it is also almost nonexistant. As long as your fully softmaxxed you are very likley at peak looks that you could ever have genetically. Id say that most people would look pretty decent fully softmaxxed though so it is not that big of an deal.
This was popularized alot by oscar patel i belive that looks arent genetic.
But there are like genuinly alot of people out there who think that the way they look are not due to gentics.
Some people think if they just lived and developed perfectly they would look way better.
I dont think it is like that because its about genetics mostly.

I'd be wrong to say that looks are 100% genetic, they're environmental as well If I'm being honest, But people just spread lies and myths like how being bottlefed recesses ur maxilla's forward growth when it's really not the case. that's why i made the post just to tell everyone the reality how it doesn't. It was just a post to get back at people for spreading lies. The past two years on this forum I read a lot and not really wrote a lot cuz i was using it for info on cycles habits etc. i researched a lot myself these past three years (before .org) and I realised how much misinfo there was on here. I'd say for every 1 good post there's 10 complete bullshit posts. And I am sorry for being rude earlier you seem like a good guy

 

[khrome]

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"Heat maps showing the effect of breastfeeding duration at four different thresholds on facial surface shape. Each face shows the 3D surface normal displacement at a given threshold relative to the observed mean face from the non-breastfed group. For example, the >6 month comparison shows the facial effect of breastfeeding for at least 7 months relative to the non-breastfed group. For interpretation, blue indicates that the breastfed group shows inward retrusion relative to the non-breastfed group, while red indicates outward protrusion. The colormap is on the same scale for every comparison."

"We observed a statistically significant association between breastfeeding duration (measured to 24 months) and facial shape. As breastfeeding duration increased, we observed a pattern of retrusion in involving the central midface (most prominent in the philtrum and medial canthal region) and protrusion in the forehead and cheeks. Although there was a tendency toward mandibular protrusion, the effect in this region was not statistically significant. Thus, our initial prediction that breastfeeding would impact the midface and mandible was partially borne out. The combined effect of the aforementioned shape changes was one of decreased facial convexity with increased breastfeeding duration."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11407646/

I've been seeing too many tales on here about the importance of breastfeeding and how it causes people to have more forward grown maxilla (JFL),
some of you niggas are fucking retards who believe this shit.

When a baby is born they naturally have a recessed mandible and a forward maxilla (class 2 esq)
View attachment 5145767
During breastfeeding the mandible comes forwards and the maxilla retrudes backwards to create a flatter "class 1 esq profile"
View attachment 5145756


But muh Mike mew said breastfeeding leads to a more forward maxilla! No it doesn't truecel, if you have a recessed maxilla and especially and underbite and you weren't breastfed then truly it was over from the start since ur mandible should the one thing recessed not your maxilla. Go kiss ur mom for being a stupid whore (who doesn't care for you) and giving you Jewish Baby milk so you didn't become even more recessed.

of course breastfeeding is superior (leads to a more balanced profile, wider palate, boosts IQ, and is the more natural option) but the amount of Bullshit that I see on this forum gives me a headache sometimes, all you guys have to do is stop being low IQ retards and actually look at the studies breastfeeding does NOT provide someone with "more" forward growth than if that same person was breastfed. It's the other way around nigga .

In the study it literally says "What we can say is that by adolescence, the effect on outward facial appearance appears to be negligible. Moreover, the effects of breastfeeding could disappear altogether as the children in this study approach puberty and adulthood." In other words. Your looks are PURELY GENETIC stop with this cope about "I could've been great if my slut mother breastfed me etc etc" it was over from the day you got birthed. Chad doesn't need breastfeeding from his mother when all the stacies let him suck their titties all day long. LDAR

DNR

 

[erikt7]

ok faggot read this one

Infant and Baby Feeding and the Development of the Maxillofacial Complex Based on Own Observations and the Literature - PMC

The method and technique of feeding a young child affect the shape of the maxillofacial complex. Breastfeeding is the recommended method of feeding in the first six months of life. It is encouraged to continue natural feeding in later months, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Breastfeeding is the recommended method because it positively shapes the maxillofacial complex.
• The sucking mechanism during breastfeeding involves strong tongue pressure against the palate, which stimulates forward and transverse (sideways) growth of the maxilla.
• Bottle feeding creates different muscle activity and tongue positioning (often lower/posterior), leading to narrower maxillary arches, higher palates, and less optimal forward growth.

1- Transverse isn't forward (so that claim doesn't matter) + I also said that breastfeeding leads to a wider palate in my post retard
2- Forward growth isn't just the maxilla it's also the mandible retard (hence why I said that breastfeeding pulls the mandible forward)
3- I said breastfeeding is better
4- Ur a complete retard loser, you really just ignored all i said in my post

- BREASTFEEDING PULLS THE MAXILLA BACK AND MAKES THE PALATE WIDER.
My God you are retarded

 

[erikt7]

ok faggot read this one

Infant and Baby Feeding and the Development of the Maxillofacial Complex Based on Own Observations and the Literature - PMC

The method and technique of feeding a young child affect the shape of the maxillofacial complex. Breastfeeding is the recommended method of feeding in the first six months of life. It is encouraged to continue natural feeding in later months, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Breastfeeding is the recommended method because it positively shapes the maxillofacial complex.
• The sucking mechanism during breastfeeding involves strong tongue pressure against the palate, which stimulates forward and transverse (sideways) growth of the maxilla.
• Bottle feeding creates different muscle activity and tongue positioning (often lower/posterior), leading to narrower maxillary arches, higher palates, and less optimal forward growth.

I already read this study before btw.

Nothing will ever objectively come close to the 2024 study I posted since it literally had 3D scanning analysis of babies faces which is objective proof rather than the shit yuo linked . Did u even read the study i posted retard

 

[erikt7]

ok faggot read this one

Infant and Baby Feeding and the Development of the Maxillofacial Complex Based on Own Observations and the Literature - PMC

The method and technique of feeding a young child affect the shape of the maxillofacial complex. Breastfeeding is the recommended method of feeding in the first six months of life. It is encouraged to continue natural feeding in later months, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Breastfeeding is the recommended method because it positively shapes the maxillofacial complex.
• The sucking mechanism during breastfeeding involves strong tongue pressure against the palate, which stimulates forward and transverse (sideways) growth of the maxilla.
• Bottle feeding creates different muscle activity and tongue positioning (often lower/posterior), leading to narrower maxillary arches, higher palates, and less optimal forward growth.

NGL u retards actually pmo ,how stupid are the people on this fucking forum u got kids taking GH at 12.
Have u even read a single study

 

[81xa]

I already read this study before btw.

Nothing will ever objectively come close to the 2024 study I posted since it literally had 3D scanning analysis of babies faces which is objective proof rather than the shit yuo linked . Did u even read the study i posted retard

firs of all you are completely misunderstanding how 3d morphometric mapping works in the study you linked. when the heat map shows retrusion in the breastfed group, it is a relative measurement, not absolute backward bone growth.

infant facial bones do not physically grow backward. they only grow forward and downward. the maxilla is not retruding into the skull during breastfeeding. what the study shows is that the non breastfed group has an upper jaw that sticks out further. you are confusing this protrusion with healthy forward growth. artificial bottle feeding forces narrow inward cheek pressure and poor tongue posture. this narrows the palate and flares the upper teeth outward, creating an overjet or buck teeth. the 3d scanner records that unhealthy flaring in bottle fed babies as protrusion. breastfed babies develop a wider and properly aligned maxilla, so their midface simply looks retruded by comparison.

breastfeeding pulls the mandible forward because the lower jaw catches up and the upper jaw grows wide instead of narrowly poking out, the profile flattens into a healthy class 1 relationship. bottlefeeding just flares the teeth out and narrows the bone

 

[rolqof]

It's alright bro

look at you two wankers,

not to be rude or anything

 

[erikt7]

firs of all you are completely misunderstanding how 3d morphometric mapping works in the study you linked. when the heat map shows retrusion in the breastfed group, it is a relative measurement, not absolute backward bone growth.

infant facial bones do not physically grow backward. they only grow forward and downward. the maxilla is not retruding into the skull during breastfeeding. what the study shows is that the non breastfed group has an upper jaw that sticks out further. you are confusing this protrusion with healthy forward growth. artificial bottle feeding forces narrow inward cheek pressure and poor tongue posture. this narrows the palate and flares the upper teeth outward, creating an overjet or buck teeth. the 3d scanner records that unhealthy flaring in bottle fed babies as protrusion. breastfed babies develop a wider and properly aligned maxilla, so their midface simply looks retruded by comparison.

breastfeeding pulls the mandible forward because the lower jaw catches up and the upper jaw grows wide instead of narrowly poking out, the profile flattens into a healthy class 1 relationship. bottlefeeding just flares the teeth out and narrows the bone

1- the study didn't use external cameras it used 3T MRI SCANS using a grid of 7,160 landmarks. The data explicitly states that increased breastfeeding duration caused relative retrusion of the entire central midface, cheekbones and the orbital regions. Flared teeth from bottle-feeding can't change a 10 year olds cheekbones, forehead or eye sockets JFL.

2- Ur mandible point is stupid, yuo claim that breastfeeding only pulls the mandible forward whilst leaving the maxilla alone but the study states that " The magnitude and direction of effect is discernable in Fig 1C, which shows that increased breastfeeding duration is associated with central midface, zygomatic arch, and orbital retrusion along with concomitant forehead, cheek, and mandibular protrusion. The mandibular effect, however, was not significant" The data proves that the structural flattening of the profile is driven by the balancing of the midface not the lower jaw growing significantly forward. Again you probably don't know what statistical significance even means since you don't study Biology (probably)

3- The fact that the relative retrusion became statistically significant when analysed along a semi quantitative timeline of duration (0-24 months) the midface became progressively flatter the longer the child was breastfed for. A relative software glitch does not smoothly scale month-by-month; this proves a real, cumulative muscular and biological impact that anchors midfacial projection for a more balanced, less convex adolescent profile.

4- You used AI to get the flare teeth out point btw, I know because I put this study into AI and got the same point months ago

5- You're arguing for me thanks buddy
"you are confusing this protrusion with healthy forward growth. artificial bottle feeding forces narrow inward cheek pressure and poor tongue posture."
"breastfeeding pulls the mandible forward because the lower jaw catches up"

Thanks these are all things I pointed to in my original post!

6- The maxilla grows by surface remodelling where the front of the maxilla is a natural zone of bone resorption (where bone is dissolved) the resorption prevents the maxilla from growing too forwards or else people would have chimp maxillas. So you saying that the maxillas only grow forward and downward shows you Don't really understand what you're talking about.

nice try i guess

 

[81xa]

1- the study didn't use external cameras it used 3T MRI SCANS using a grid of 7,160 landmarks. The data explicitly states that increased breastfeeding duration caused relative retrusion of the entire central midface, cheekbones and the orbital regions. Flared teeth from bottle-feeding can't change a 10 year olds cheekbones, forehead or eye sockets JFL.

2- Ur mandible point is stupid, yuo claim that breastfeeding only pulls the mandible forward whilst leaving the maxilla alone but the study states that " The magnitude and direction of effect is discernable in Fig 1C, which shows that increased breastfeeding duration is associated with central midface, zygomatic arch, and orbital retrusion along with concomitant forehead, cheek, and mandibular protrusion. The mandibular effect, however, was not significant" The data proves that the structural flattening of the profile is driven by the balancing of the midface not the lower jaw growing significantly forward. Again you probably don't know what statistical significance even means since you don't study Biology (probably)

3- The fact that the relative retrusion became statistically significant when analysed along a semi quantitative timeline of duration (0-24 months) the midface became progressively flatter the longer the child was breastfed for. A relative software glitch does not smoothly scale month-by-month; this proves a real, cumulative muscular and biological impact that anchors midfacial projection for a more balanced, less convex adolescent profile.

4- You used AI to get the flare teeth out point btw, I know because I put this study into AI and got the same point months ago

5- You're arguing for me thanks buddy
"you are confusing this protrusion with healthy forward growth. artificial bottle feeding forces narrow inward cheek pressure and poor tongue posture."
"breastfeeding pulls the mandible forward because the lower jaw catches up"

Thanks these are all things I pointed to in my original post!

6- The maxilla grows by surface remodelling where the front of the maxilla is a natural zone of bone resorption (where bone is dissolved) the resorption prevents the maxilla from growing too forwards or else people would have chimp maxillas. So you saying that the maxillas only grow forward and downward shows you Don't really understand what you're talking about.

nice try i guess

this is trivial and your original claim is still wrong

you said the front of the maxilla resorbs (dissolves) so we don't get chimp muzzles you completely ignored the second half of the biological rule. while the front surface resorbs, the entire maxillary bone complex is simultaneously translated forward and downward by bone growth at the sutures behind it. The bone does not grow backward.

In the study 'relative retrusion' just means the breastfed midface is flatter and more balanced. It is only recorded as 'retruded' because the software is comparing it directly to the bottle-fed baseline.

you are looking at the 'protrusion' in the bottle-fed group and assuming they have superior midface growth. Artificial bottle feeding causes a narrow palate and a flared overjet (buck teeth). The MRI scanner records that structural dental flaw as protrusion

 

[erikt7]

While the study confirms a statistically measurable difference in midface development along the timeline, the authors explicitly state that these changes are microscopic.

They clarify that the midfacial differences are "subtle and likely not conspicuous enough to be noticed by most observers." Even when the software compared the models of children breastfed for a full 19–24 months against children who were never breastfed, the structural differences in the midface were not distinct enough to be obvious in real life.

- Bottle fed babies since birth have an intermolar/intercanine distance of 1-2mm narrower on average compared to breastfed btw, this difference alone wouldn't determine whether they have a narrow palate or buck teeth again this is a huge over exaggeration that is being pushed upon people in this forum. Measure your intermolar / intercanine distance and look at a ruler and honestly decide whether 1-2mm would make a huge difference.

- At least you know how the maxilla grows but this doesn't change what the study shows.

- "In the study 'relative retrusion' just means the breastfed midface is flatter and more balanced. It is only recorded as 'retruded' because the software is comparing it directly to the bottle-fed baseline."
--->
Biologically, breastfeeding muscles have absolutely zero connection to the frontal bone of the skull. A baby nursing cannot physically shove their forehead forward. The fact that the forehead appears to 'protrude' on the 3D map is definitive proof of a Procrustes Superimposition artifact. The 3D software tilted the entire global face mesh of the breastfed group just to find a mathematical compromise when overlaying it against the formula group.
Why did the software have to tilt the grid? Because the maxilla grows faster and projects further outward in bottle-fed babies. Breastfeeding involves intense, high-vacuum muscle forces that act as an active physical constraint almost like a mechanical 'brake' that regulates and spaces out forward midfacial growth so that the facial profile is more balanced. This is the entire point which I've been trying to make, you're right though the way that I've worded it does sound very stupid "retrudes the midface" but I didn't expect to find people like you on this forum.

You made a good point but you can't prove me wrong, the whole point of this post was to ragebait/piss off those who claim that breastfeeding is an orthodontic revolution and that it really makes a huge difference in your maxilla forward growth. This isn't the truth and I had to put a stop to it. Breast feeding simply helps to regulate your profile to be more class 1. It doesn't "push the maxilla forwards" more than those who are Bottle fed. It's literally preventing your maxilla from growing outwards too far

I said this all throughout my entire post. You can't argue that a 1-2mm narrowing of the palate will mean that every non breastfed person will be buck toothed since this is a horrendously wrong judgement to make. The study shows that on average bottle fed babies had a more forward maxilla, philtrum etc relative to their forehead compared to bottle fed babies. We know using science that the forehead projection of both groups ought to be the same since it's unaffected by breastfeeding. The frontal brown growth is correlated with growth of the brain. People on here make it seem like bottle-feeders have the more set back maxilla compared to breastfeeders when this study (the most conclusive study done on breastfeeding) disproves that. Idk how u can really respond to this

 

[erikt7]

this is trivial and your original claim is still wrong

you said the front of the maxilla resorbs (dissolves) so we don't get chimp muzzles you completely ignored the second half of the biological rule. while the front surface resorbs, the entire maxillary bone complex is simultaneously translated forward and downward by bone growth at the sutures behind it. The bone does not grow backward.

In the study 'relative retrusion' just means the breastfed midface is flatter and more balanced. It is only recorded as 'retruded' because the software is comparing it directly to the bottle-fed baseline.

you are looking at the 'protrusion' in the bottle-fed group and assuming they have superior midface growth. Artificial bottle feeding causes a narrow palate and a flared overjet (buck teeth). The MRI scanner records that structural dental flaw as protrusion

It's also really easy bait if i use wild terms like "The hidden truth retrudes the maxilla etc" But I'm not wrong here, bottle fed people do on average have more physically forward maxillas. not everyone who has been bottle fed has flared buck teeth it's not a good point to make.

This whole forum is deadset on saying that bottle-feeding is a deathwish and leads to a recessed maxilla no?
Any difference caused by breastfeeding is almost unnoticeable and the recessed maxilla arguement is wrong outright. I hope this myth gets shut down now

 

[erikt7]

this is trivial and your original claim is still wrong

you said the front of the maxilla resorbs (dissolves) so we don't get chimp muzzles you completely ignored the second half of the biological rule. while the front surface resorbs, the entire maxillary bone complex is simultaneously translated forward and downward by bone growth at the sutures behind it. The bone does not grow backward.

In the study 'relative retrusion' just means the breastfed midface is flatter and more balanced. It is only recorded as 'retruded' because the software is comparing it directly to the bottle-fed baseline.

you are looking at the 'protrusion' in the bottle-fed group and assuming they have superior midface growth. Artificial bottle feeding causes a narrow palate and a flared overjet (buck teeth). The MRI scanner records that structural dental flaw as protrusion

Dude I actually packed you so hard you just didn't respond it's absolutely brutal.

Last time I will be seriously wasting time debating with anyone on this forum

Guy joined in 2023 and has a 2:1 repost ratio and still doesn't know his facts.

You used AI to get all of your points as well brutal

Retard

 

[81xa]

- Bottle fed babies since birth have an intermolar/intercanine distance of 1-2mm narrower on average compared to breastfed btw, this difference alone wouldn't determine whether they have a narrow palate or buck teeth again this is a huge over exaggeration that is being pushed upon people in this forum. Measure your intermolar / intercanine distance and look at a ruler and honestly decide whether 1-2mm would make a huge difference.

- At least you know how the maxilla grows but this doesn't change what the study shows.

- "In the study 'relative retrusion' just means the breastfed midface is flatter and more balanced. It is only recorded as 'retruded' because the software is comparing it directly to the bottle-fed baseline."
--->
Biologically, breastfeeding muscles have absolutely zero connection to the frontal bone of the skull. A baby nursing cannot physically shove their forehead forward. The fact that the forehead appears to 'protrude' on the 3D map is definitive proof of a Procrustes Superimposition artifact. The 3D software tilted the entire global face mesh of the breastfed group just to find a mathematical compromise when overlaying it against the formula group.
Why did the software have to tilt the grid? Because the maxilla grows faster and projects further outward in bottle-fed babies. Breastfeeding involves intense, high-vacuum muscle forces that act as an active physical constraint almost like a mechanical 'brake' that regulates and spaces out forward midfacial growth so that the facial profile is more balanced. This is the entire point which I've been trying to make, you're right though the way that I've worded it does sound very stupid "retrudes the midface" but I didn't expect to find people like you on this forum.

You made a good point but you can't prove me wrong, the whole point of this post was to ragebait/piss off those who claim that breastfeeding is an orthodontic revolution and that it really makes a huge difference in your maxilla forward growth. This isn't the truth and I had to put a stop to it. Breast feeding simply helps to regulate your profile to be more class 1. It doesn't "push the maxilla forwards" more than those who are Bottle fed. It's literally preventing your maxilla from growing outwards too far

I said this all throughout my entire post. You can't argue that a 1-2mm narrowing of the palate will mean that every non breastfed person will be buck toothed since this is a horrendously wrong judgement to make. The study shows that on average bottle fed babies had a more forward maxilla, philtrum etc relative to their forehead compared to bottle fed babies. We know using science that the forehead projection of both groups ought to be the same since it's unaffected by breastfeeding. The frontal brown growth is correlated with growth of the brain. People on here make it seem like bottle-feeders have the more set back maxilla compared to breastfeeders when this study (the most conclusive study done on breastfeeding) disproves that. Idk how u can really respond to this

losing 1 to 2mm of width in the dental arch is significant, the arch has a fixed perimeter, so when it narrows, the front teeth have nowhere to go but out. that forced flaring creates the exact overjet the 3d scanner recorded as protrusion in the bottle fed group.

if the software had to tilt the grid because the bottle fed maxilla projected so far past the forehead, you are just admitting the bottle fed face is unbalanced. a jaw jutting out past the rest of the skull is a highly convex skeletal deformity, not superior forward growth.

you started this thread claiming breastfeeding causes a recessed maxilla. now you are admitting it acts as a mechanical regulator that builds a perfectly balanced class 1 profil you admitted my points were right and your original wording was stupid. breastfeeding does not recess the face it stops it from growing deformed

 

[erikt7]

losing 1 to 2mm of width in the dental arch is significant, the arch has a fixed perimeter, so when it narrows, the front teeth have nowhere to go but out. that forced flaring creates the exact overjet the 3d scanner recorded as protrusion in the bottle fed group.

losing 1 to 2mm of width in the dental arch is significant, the arch has a fixed perimeter, so when it narrows, the front teeth have nowhere to go but out. that forced flaring creates the exact overjet the 3d scanner recorded as protrusion in the bottle fed group.

if the software had to tilt the grid because the bottle fed maxilla projected so far past the forehead, you are just admitting the bottle fed face is unbalanced. a jaw jutting out past the rest of the skull is a highly convex skeletal deformity, not superior forward growth.

you started this thread claiming breastfeeding causes a recessed maxilla. now you are admitting it acts as a mechanical regulator that builds a perfectly balanced class 1 profil you admitted my points were right and your original wording was stupid. breastfeeding does not recess the face it stops it from growing deformed

you started this thread claiming breastfeeding causes a recessed maxilla. now you are admitting it acts as a mechanical regulator that builds a perfectly balanced class 1 profile you admitted my points were right and your original wording was stupid. breastfeeding does not recess the face it just stops it from growing deformed

1-2mm isn't significant in any way and surely isn't significant enough for the front teeth to flare out beyond normal you're absolutely dragging it

-> The orthotropic community state that bottle feeding leads to a flatter less forward maxilla vs breastfeeding

Thanks for admitting that bottle feeding leads to a more jutting forward maxilla relative to the forehead.
You just proved my point on how it doesn't lead to a more flat recessed maxilla

And if you didn't use AI SLOP to write ur argument you'd have actually read that I wrote breastfeeding leads to a flatter more optimal profile.

But you didn't cuz ur a retard who couldn't be bothered to read a bit

 

[erikt7]

losing 1 to 2mm of width in the dental arch is significant, the arch has a fixed perimeter, so when it narrows, the front teeth have nowhere to go but out. that forced flaring creates the exact overjet the 3d scanner recorded as protrusion in the bottle fed group.

if the software had to tilt the grid because the bottle fed maxilla projected so far past the forehead, you are just admitting the bottle fed face is unbalanced. a jaw jutting out past the rest of the skull is a highly convex skeletal deformity, not superior forward growth.

you started this thread claiming breastfeeding causes a recessed maxilla. now you are admitting it acts as a mechanical regulator that builds a perfectly balanced class 1 profil you admitted my points were right and your original wording was stupid. breastfeeding does not recess the face it stops it from growing deformed

Yes because tooth tilting which isn't even a real side effect is going to effect the orbital position relative to the forehead. Great one buddy

 

[81xa]

1-2mm isn't significant in any way and surely isn't significant enough for the front teeth to flare out beyond normal you're absolutely dragging it

-> The orthotropic community state that bottle feeding leads to a flatter less forward maxilla vs breastfeeding

Thanks for admitting that bottle feeding leads to a more jutting forward maxilla relative to the forehead.
You just proved my point on how it doesn't lead to a more flat recessed maxilla

And if you didn't use AI SLOP to write ur argument you'd have actually read that I wrote breastfeeding leads to a flatter more optimal profile.

But you didn't cuz ur a retard who couldn't be bothered to read a bit

you still don't understand the difference between actual forward bone growth and a dental deformity. in a baby's mouth, losing 2mm of width is enough to force the palate to vault upward. when the roof of the mouth pushes up, the alveolar bone holding the front teeth gets pushed outward. that is exactly why the bottle fed babies show a juttin" maxilla in the scans. you are literally bragging about an infant developing a class 2 overbite.

the orthotropic community says bottle feeding causes a recessed maxilla in adulthood because that exact infant overbite forces the lower jaw to swing down and back as the kid grows up. the jutting you see in a 2 year old is just alveolar protrusion, not actual forward midface growth. it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture

you titled your post claiming breastfeeding leads to a recessed maxilla. now you are celebrating that bottle feeding causes a jutting overbite, while simultaneously admitting breastfeeding creates a more optimal profile. you are completely lost trying to sound right and contradicting your own premise

 

[erikt7]

you still don't understand the difference between actual forward bone growth and a dental deformity. in a baby's mouth, losing 2mm of width is enough to force the palate to vault upward. when the roof of the mouth pushes up, the alveolar bone holding the front teeth gets pushed outward. that is exactly why the bottle fed babies show a juttin" maxilla in the scans. you are literally bragging about an infant developing a class 2 overbite.

the orthotropic community says bottle feeding causes a recessed maxilla in adulthood because that exact infant overbite forces the lower jaw to swing down and back as the kid grows up. the jutting you see in a 2 year old is just alveolar protrusion, not actual forward midface growth. it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture

you titled your post claiming breastfeeding leads to a recessed maxilla. now you are celebrating that bottle feeding causes a jutting overbite, while simultaneously admitting breastfeeding creates a more optimal profile. you are completely lost trying to sound right and contradicting your own premise

How would alveolar bone protrusion cause the orbit position and zygomatic arch position to change relative to the forehead though if it's purely alveolar?

Also the Alveolar bone is part of the maxilla u do realise that right? You are acting the the alveolar bone isn't part of the maxilla and it's own separate entity? lmao?

You are pushing with:
"that exact infant overbite forces the lower jaw to swing down and back as the kid grows up. the jutting you see in a 2 year old is just alveolar protrusion, not actual forward midface growth. it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture"

This is the gain from breastfeeding btw (Mandible) for two years . You can't even really tell the difference and calling anyone who is bottle fed "long and flat faced" is absolutely retarded when the study said there's almost zero observable difference by the age of 10.

"now you are celebrating that bottle feeding causes a jutting overbite, while simultaneously admitting breastfeeding creates a more optimal profile. you are completely lost trying to sound right and contradicting your own premise"

Literally admitted that from the beginning of the post, but once again you're retarded and think you're some IQ God because you sit all day on .org without doing any research. How can you say "bottle feeding leads to a long flat face" then next minute say "you're celebrating a jutting overbite?" huh
."it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture"

Where are you getting this info that bottle feeding suddenly leads to a flat profile by puberty? The study actively doubted this claim?

"reduced palate length with increased breastfeeding"


You are a fucking retard, you deserve to get packed.

I truly wish you the worst in life for being so arrogant and stupid, You will never ascend and will likely pay for pussy in the future

 

[erikt7]

you still don't understand the difference between actual forward bone growth and a dental deformity. in a baby's mouth, losing 2mm of width is enough to force the palate to vault upward. when the roof of the mouth pushes up, the alveolar bone holding the front teeth gets pushed outward. that is exactly why the bottle fed babies show a juttin" maxilla in the scans. you are literally bragging about an infant developing a class 2 overbite.

the orthotropic community says bottle feeding causes a recessed maxilla in adulthood because that exact infant overbite forces the lower jaw to swing down and back as the kid grows up. the jutting you see in a 2 year old is just alveolar protrusion, not actual forward midface growth. it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture

you titled your post claiming breastfeeding leads to a recessed maxilla. now you are celebrating that bottle feeding causes a jutting overbite, while simultaneously admitting breastfeeding creates a more optimal profile. you are completely lost trying to sound right and contradicting your own premise

This was stated in my original post btw.

You're a retarded idiot.

Bottle-fed babies do exhibit a more forward maxilla than breastfed babies everything this study shows points to that.
I made it clear that the mandible comes forward in breastfeeding on the og post too.

The title of the post is literally

"Breastfeeding leads to a more recessed Maxilla than bottlefeeding (The HIDDEN REALITY)"​

I am clearly referring to the maxilla when I'm talking about forward growth.

My God you're a retard

 

[erikt7]

This guy is actually a loser btw he deleted my post I left on his profile saying that I packed him

How sad of a person do you have to be @81xa to feel embarrassed on something another man comments on your incel forum profile.
You must be the fattest, ugliest, smelliest chud ever behind your screen.

Are you protecting your dignity behind that screen? Is this all you have to protect as you said "do you have no further prospects in your life?"

 

[81xa]

How would alveolar bone protrusion cause the orbit position and zygomatic arch position to change relative to the forehead though if it's purely alveolar?

Also the Alveolar bone is part of the maxilla u do realise that right? You are acting the the alveolar bone isn't part of the maxilla and it's own separate entity? lmao?

You are pushing with:
"that exact infant overbite forces the lower jaw to swing down and back as the kid grows up. the jutting you see in a 2 year old is just alveolar protrusion, not actual forward midface growth. it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture"

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This is the gain from breastfeeding btw (Mandible) for two years . You can't even really tell the difference and calling anyone who is bottle fed "long and flat faced" is absolutely retarded when the study said there's almost zero observable difference by the age of 10.

"now you are celebrating that bottle feeding causes a jutting overbite, while simultaneously admitting breastfeeding creates a more optimal profile. you are completely lost trying to sound right and contradicting your own premise"

Literally admitted that from the beginning of the post, but once again you're retarded and think you're some IQ God because you sit all day on .org without doing any research. How can you say "bottle feeding leads to a long flat face" then next minute say "you're celebrating a jutting overbite?" huh
."it turns into a long, flat face by puberty because the palate is too narrow for proper tongue posture"
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Where are you getting this info that bottle feeding suddenly leads to a flat profile by puberty? The study actively doubted this claim?

"reduced palate length with increased breastfeeding"


You are a fucking retard, you deserve to get packed.

I truly wish you the worst in life for being so arrogant and stupid, You will never ascend and will likely pay for pussy in the future

the alveolar bone is part of the maxilla, but orthodontists strictly separate the basal bone from the alveolar bone. the basal bone is the actual structural midface foundation. the alveolar bone just houses the teeth and bends easily to physical pressure. when bottle feeding flares the teeth, the alveolar bone juts out. because the 3d mapping software has to align the two faces globally, that lower jut forces the program to mathematically tilt the rest of the mesh backward to make it fit. that software tilt is exactly why the orbits and cheekbones look retruded on the heat map.

there is zero contradiction between a toddler having a jutting overbite and an adult having a long flat face. it is literally cause and effect. the narrow bottle fed palate flares the baby teeth forward. as the child grows, that narrow roof leaves no room for proper tongue posture. the tongue drops, the airway narrows, and the face starts growing vertically downward instead of horizontally forward. the childhood jut causes the adult downswing.

quoting "reduced palate length" for breastfed babies just proves you do not understand palate shape. a bottle fed palate is narrow, so it has to grow longer from front to back just to cram all the teeth in. a breastfed palate expands wide from side to side, so it does not need to stretch forward like a narrow beak. wide and short is the optimal human palate. long and narrow is exactly what gives you an overjet.

 

[erikt7]

the alveolar bone is part of the maxilla, but orthodontists strictly separate the basal bone from the alveolar bone. the basal bone is the actual structural midface foundation. the alveolar bone just houses the teeth and bends easily to physical pressure. when bottle feeding flares the teeth, the alveolar bone juts out. because the 3d mapping software has to align the two faces globally, that lower jut forces the program to mathematically tilt the rest of the mesh backward to make it fit. that software tilt is exactly why the orbits and cheekbones look retruded on the heat map.

there is zero contradiction between a toddler having a jutting overbite and an adult having a long flat face. it is literally cause and effect. the narrow bottle fed palate flares the baby teeth forward. as the child grows, that narrow roof leaves no room for proper tongue posture. the tongue drops, the airway narrows, and the face starts growing vertically downward instead of horizontally forward. the childhood jut causes the adult downswing.

quoting "reduced palate length" for breastfed babies just proves you do not understand palate shape. a bottle fed palate is narrow, so it has to grow longer from front to back just to cram all the teeth in. a breastfed palate expands wide from side to side, so it does not need to stretch forward like a narrow beak. wide and short is the optimal human palate. long and narrow is exactly what gives you an overjet.

probably the most uneducated response I’ve ever seen.

Your logic doesn’t make any sense
“A bottle fed palate is narrow, so it has to grow longer from the front to the back just to cram all the teeth”

“A breastfed palate expands wide from side to side, so it does not need to stretch forwards like a narrow beak”

Are you saying that wide maxilla’s cannot be forwardly projected? Are you saying that narrow maxilla’s are bound to be forward?

Are you really suggesting that 1-2mm’s of a narrower adult palate vs your genetic potential will cause your profile to become narrow?

Yeah I know what the basal bone:
“Orthodontists strictly separate the basal bone from the alveolar”

Dude is truly just using technical terms to sound smart

thanks for stating that bro, like it makes any difference genuinely a “water is wet type statement”

“basal bone holds the structure of the midface”

Thanks bro thanks really inciteful


You do realise orthodontists can’t isolate the basal bone with treatment btw, every single surgery or facemask involves you mostly pulling the alveolar bone forwards with some basal movement. You can’t just say that the alveolar bone isn’t part of the maxilla because it has a smaller role in the midface structure (it still helps with ogee curve etc)

Your are completely coping about the software and are using AI to explain your point, explain how the maths actually works if you’re so well educated matter of a fact why aren’t you an orthodontist yourself?

Absolute idiot thinks he can explain the study but he’s just explaining water takes

No mate, the orbits being relatively more forward to the forehead is not caused by the alveolar region being more forward since it’s a separate landmark and since you want to talk about basal bone the zygomatic arch and orbitals are attached to the basal bone.

Since the basal bone is relatively more forward in bottlefed babies the orbits and zygomatic arches also appear that way.

You are coping so hard

 

[81xa]

probably the most uneducated response I’ve ever seen.

Your logic doesn’t make any sense
“A bottle fed palate is narrow, so it has to grow longer from the front to the back just to cram all the teeth”

“A breastfed palate expands wide from side to side, so it does not need to stretch forwards like a narrow beak”

Are you saying that wide maxilla’s cannot be forwardly projected? Are you saying that narrow maxilla’s are bound to be forward?

Are you really suggesting that 1-2mm’s of a narrower adult palate vs your genetic potential will cause your profile to become narrow?

Yeah I know what the basal bone:
“Orthodontists strictly separate the basal bone from the alveolar”

Dude is truly just using technical terms to sound smart

thanks for stating that bro, like it makes any difference genuinely a “water is wet type statement”

“basal bone holds the structure of the midface”

Thanks bro thanks really inciteful


You do realise orthodontists can’t isolate the basal bone with treatment btw, every single surgery or facemask involves you mostly pulling the alveolar bone forwards with some basal movement. You can’t just say that the alveolar bone isn’t part of the maxilla because it has a smaller role in the midface structure (it still helps with ogee curve etc)

Your are completely coping about the software and are using AI to explain your point, explain how the maths actually works if you’re so well educated matter of a fact why aren’t you an orthodontist yourself?

Absolute idiot thinks he can explain the study but he’s just explaining water takes

No mate, the orbits being relatively more forward to the forehead is not caused by the alveolar region being more forward since it’s a separate landmark and since you want to talk about basal bone the zygomatic arch and orbitals are attached to the basal bone.

Since the basal bone is relatively more forward in bottlefed babies the orbits and zygomatic arches also appear that way.

You are coping so hard

you just exposed that you don't know how orthognathic surgery or 3d modeling works JFL holy you're so retarded, going out of your way to post on my profile and quote 10+ times to be this uneducated? kys at this point

the study uses procrustes superimposition. this algorithm translates, scales, and rotates two 3d meshes to minimize the sum of squared distances between all 7000 landmarks. if the bottle fed baby has a massive alveolar jut from flared teeth, the software physically rotates the rest of the bottle fed skull backward on its axis to make the lower face align with the breastfed baseline. when you tilt a skull backward on a digital axis, the top half like the forehead, orbits, and cheekbones artificially swings forward in the 3d space. the basal bone didn't actually grow forward. the software literally rotated the whole head mesh to average out the buck teeth.

you said orthodontists can't isolate the basal bone. a le fort 1 osteotomy literally cuts and isolates the basal bone to move the entire midface without touching the alveolar dental spacing. bone anchored skeletal expanders split the basal bone at the midpalatal suture precisely to avoid alveolar tipping. you are confusing standard braces with actual skeletal structural changes.

wide maxillas can absolutely be forward. but a bottle fed maxilla isn't growing forward structurally. it is just narrowing and pushing the teeth out like a beak because the palate didn't expand. a 1 to 2mm deficit in a tiny infant dental arch is a massive percentage of total space.

you are looking at a 3d software rotation artifact caused by infant buck teeth and calling it superior basal midface growth, you're grasping at straws lil faggot

 

[erikt7]

you just exposed that you don't know how orthognathic surgery or 3d modeling works JFL holy you're so retarded, going out of your way to post on my profile and quote 10+ times to be this uneducated? kys at this point

the study uses procrustes superimposition. this algorithm translates, scales, and rotates two 3d meshes to minimize the sum of squared distances between all 7000 landmarks. if the bottle fed baby has a massive alveolar jut from flared teeth, the software physically rotates the rest of the bottle fed skull backward on its axis to make the lower face align with the breastfed baseline. when you tilt a skull backward on a digital axis, the top half like the forehead, orbits, and cheekbones artificially swings forward in the 3d space. the basal bone didn't actually grow forward. the software literally rotated the whole head mesh to average out the buck teeth.

you said orthodontists can't isolate the basal bone. a le fort 1 osteotomy literally cuts and isolates the basal bone to move the entire midface without touching the alveolar dental spacing. bone anchored skeletal expanders split the basal bone at the midpalatal suture precisely to avoid alveolar tipping. you are confusing standard braces with actual skeletal structural changes.

wide maxillas can absolutely be forward. but a bottle fed maxilla isn't growing forward structurally. it is just narrowing and pushing the teeth out like a beak because the palate didn't expand. a 1 to 2mm deficit in a tiny infant dental arch is a massive percentage of total space.

you are looking at a 3d software rotation artifact caused by infant buck teeth and calling it superior basal midface growth, you're grasping at straws lil faggot

Mistake 1:

You're actually a retard if you think that Orthos can isolate the basal bone and just move the basal bone forward without moving the alveolar process of the maxilla forward. This is impossible.


the study uses procrustes superimposition. this algorithm translates, scales, and rotates two 3d meshes to minimize the sum of squared distances between all 7000 landmarks.

Again using buzzwords, this doesn't explain anything and you don't know the maths behind it you're just stating what was said in the study, show us how you preform the maths If you're so smart


Mistake 2:
bone anchored skeletal expanders split the basal bone at the midpalatal suture precisely to avoid alveolar tipping.

Yeah they split the basal bone at the midpalatal suture? what are you trying to prove here just saying buzzwords yeah it prevents alveolar tipping but it still moves the avleolar process laterally outwards?

Mistake 3:

"wide maxillas can absolutely be forward. but a bottle fed maxilla isn't growing forward structurally. it is just narrowing and pushing the teeth out like a beak because the palate didn't expand. a 1 to 2mm deficit in a tiny infant dental arch is a massive percentage of total space."

1/36 x 100 = 2.78% (3 s.f)

Sorry that a 2.78% loss in upper palate width is so significant and a massive percentage of total space.

Mistake 4:
"a 1 to 2mm deficit in a tiny infant dental arch"

Study was done on 10yo's but ok.


I have absolutely destroyed you again and again.

You're very uneducated, but I'm not surprised so are most users on here.

I won't be responding to you anymore cuz it's a waste of my time.

I'm sure anyone going thru this thread will see through your shit lmao you use theory I use facts

 

[81xa]

Mistake 1:
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You're actually a retard if you think that Orthos can isolate the basal bone and just move the basal bone forward without moving the alveolar process of the maxilla forward. This is impossible.


the study uses procrustes superimposition. this algorithm translates, scales, and rotates two 3d meshes to minimize the sum of squared distances between all 7000 landmarks.

Again using buzzwords, this doesn't explain anything and you don't know the maths behind it you're just stating what was said in the study, show us how you preform the maths If you're so smart


Mistake 2:
bone anchored skeletal expanders split the basal bone at the midpalatal suture precisely to avoid alveolar tipping.

Yeah they split the basal bone at the midpalatal suture? what are you trying to prove here just saying buzzwords yeah it prevents alveolar tipping but it still moves the avleolar process laterally outwards?

Mistake 3:

"wide maxillas can absolutely be forward. but a bottle fed maxilla isn't growing forward structurally. it is just narrowing and pushing the teeth out like a beak because the palate didn't expand. a 1 to 2mm deficit in a tiny infant dental arch is a massive percentage of total space."

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1/36 x 100 = 2.78% (3 s.f)

Sorry that a 2.78% loss in upper palate width is so significant and a massive percentage of total space.

Mistake 4:
"a 1 to 2mm deficit in a tiny infant dental arch"

Study was done on 10yo's but ok.


I have absolutely destroyed you again and again.

You're very uneducated, but I'm not surprised so are most users on here.

I won't be responding to you anymore cuz it's a waste of my time.

I'm sure anyone going thru this thread will see through your shit lmao you use theory I use facts

you're declaring victory and running away because you ran out of talking points

mistake 1: you completely missed the point of the le fort osteotomy. obviously the alveolar bone comes with it because it is attached. the point is that the surgeon is moving the basal structural foundation, not just bending the teeth forward like a bottle nipple does. moving the whole bone block is true forward growth. flaring the teeth out of the bone is just an overjet.

mistake 2: you literally just agreed with me. mse expands the basal bone and carries the alveolar bone with it laterally to avoid tipping the teeth. that is exactly what a wide breastfed palate does naturally. bottle feeding just tips the alveolar bone without expanding the base. thanks for proving my point again.

mistake 3 and 4: your math is cute and illiterate. teeth do not scale down by 2.78%. permanent teeth have a fixed absolute width dictated by your dna. if a 10 year old's arch is 2mm too narrow, the teeth cannot shrink to fit the bone. they either overlap, rotate, or flare forward. lacking 2mm of space absolutely forces the front incisors into an overjet.

you can announce you are leaving the thread all you want. you started by claiming breastfeeding physically recesses the midface, got corrected on how 3d software mapping tilts the mesh, and ended up trying to do high school math to pretend a skeletal deficit does not cause buck teeth. run along.

 

[erikt7]

you're declaring victory and running away because you ran out of talking points

mistake 1: you completely missed the point of the le fort osteotomy. obviously the alveolar bone comes with it because it is attached. the point is that the surgeon is moving the basal structural foundation, not just bending the teeth forward like a bottle nipple does. moving the whole bone block is true forward growth. flaring the teeth out of the bone is just an overjet.

mistake 2: you literally just agreed with me. mse expands the basal bone and carries the alveolar bone with it laterally to avoid tipping the teeth. that is exactly what a wide breastfed palate does naturally. bottle feeding just tips the alveolar bone without expanding the base. thanks for proving my point again.

mistake 3 and 4: your math is cute and illiterate. teeth do not scale down by 2.78%. permanent teeth have a fixed absolute width dictated by your dna. if a 10 year old's arch is 2mm too narrow, the teeth cannot shrink to fit the bone. they either overlap, rotate, or flare forward. lacking 2mm of space absolutely forces the front incisors into an overjet.

you can announce you are leaving the thread all you want. you started by claiming breastfeeding physically recesses the midface, got corrected on how 3d software mapping tilts the mesh, and ended up trying to do high school math to pretend a skeletal deficit does not cause buck teeth. run along.

AI btw

Fat Chud retard behind the screen can’t deal w the fact he’s recessed and ugly cuz of his shit genes not cuz his slut mother didn’t breastfeed him (inferior genes from the start)

 

[erikt7]

you're declaring victory and running away because you ran out of talking points

mistake 1: you completely missed the point of the le fort osteotomy. obviously the alveolar bone comes with it because it is attached. the point is that the surgeon is moving the basal structural foundation, not just bending the teeth forward like a bottle nipple does. moving the whole bone block is true forward growth. flaring the teeth out of the bone is just an overjet.

mistake 2: you literally just agreed with me. mse expands the basal bone and carries the alveolar bone with it laterally to avoid tipping the teeth. that is exactly what a wide breastfed palate does naturally. bottle feeding just tips the alveolar bone without expanding the base. thanks for proving my point again.

mistake 3 and 4: your math is cute and illiterate. teeth do not scale down by 2.78%. permanent teeth have a fixed absolute width dictated by your dna. if a 10 year old's arch is 2mm too narrow, the teeth cannot shrink to fit the bone. they either overlap, rotate, or flare forward. lacking 2mm of space absolutely forces the front incisors into an overjet.

you can announce you are leaving the thread all you want. you started by claiming breastfeeding physically recesses the midface, got corrected on how 3d software mapping tilts the mesh, and ended up trying to do high school math to pretend a skeletal deficit does not cause buck teeth. run along.

Online 24/7 btw ugly Chud