"Bring back manly men" is cope

[AlexAP]

Every generation said "Men aren't manly anymore", it's an evergreen. But if you look back, the standards for "manhood" were different at any age. People today make fun of men who want to wear "feminine" clothes. Well, remember this is how the elites dressed in the 18th century.

And they say men today are too soft and we need strong men. But for example, men were very intimate with other men in the old times. I guess pictures like this would be considered "gay" today.

The definition of manhood was always dependent on the random outcomes of the complex social environment of the time. Many, many things influenced it. Today, many argue that men are weak, but people always said this, and in many ways it can be said that men today are manlier than men of other ages. Things like fashion and hobbys are very gender-segregated today, and male friendships don't include much physical touch. This wasn't always the case.

We have no idea how people will look back at our time. Maybe they will see how men in our age wear suits and think men were very manly, and they will see pics like this and think this was the average man back then ...

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

"Men were manly back then" is incel cope

 

[Deleted member 275]

100 years from now, ppl will look at old david gandy pics and say:
'lol at how low lookstandards were back then. Now it's 6'6+, mega-roid body, with the face below to not be incel anymore'

And it's not even ironic. Plastic surgery will get better, we will have early designerbabies for the rich, hypergamy will get worse, steroid usage will be completely normalized, etc

You will see rich gigachad with designerbaby genes have harems. While the average man will wageslave 80 hours/week or get exterminated.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

Testtosterone levels are getting lower and lower, and because of feminism and a quieter lifestyle, men are really getting more feminine.
I agree that masculinity is a cultural concept, however men are becoming less men in the biological sense.

 

[AlexAP]

100 years from now, ppl will look at old david gandy pics and say:
'lol at how low lookstandards were back then. Now it's 6'6+, mega-roid body, with the face below to not be incel anymore'

And it's not even ironic. Plastic surgery will get better, we will have early designerbabies for the rich, hypergamy will get worse, steroid usage will be completely normalized, etc

You will see rich gigachad with designerbaby genes have harems. While the average man will wageslave 80 hours/week or get exterminated.

Nah, we will work much less hours because of automation.

And while I think maybe there will be genetic enhancement, I don't think it will lead to everyone needing to become a 6'6 Gigachad to be able to compete for women.

 

[Deleted member 14978]

Testtosterone levels are getting lower and lower, and because of feminism and a quieter lifestyle, men are really getting more feminine.
I agree that masculinity is a cultural concept, however men are becoming less men in the biological sense.

Its always the people with the female anime profile pics who complain the most about men becoming more feminine. JFL

 

[Beetlejuice]

Indeed

 

[Deleted member 4106]

Its always the people with the female anime profile pics who complain the most about men becoming more feminine. JFL

yes

 

[Chinacurry]

Testtosterone levels are getting lower and lower, and because of feminism and a quieter lifestyle, men are really getting more feminine.
I agree that masculinity is a cultural concept, however men are becoming less men in the biological sense.

Yeah this is high IQ and I agree this is what 'men are becoming feminine' refers to.

Also I think a big part of it is most men work in bullshit jobs. Only about 5% of people in a modern corporation do anything material, and only around 1% drive any value creation, the rest are just bullshit jobs for the satisfaction of society. It means the 95% other men have no real valuable skills and can't even do shit like change a fucking car tyre, so 'men are becoming feminine' is a nicer way of saying 'men have become fucking useless'

 

[Deleted member 275]

Nah, we will work much less hours because of automation.

And while I think maybe there will be genetic enhancement, I don't think it will lead to everyone needing to become a 6'6 Gigachad to be able to compete for women.

I doubt we will be working less hours. The economy is fucked, atleast in the netherlands it is. And it will only get worse. Cost of living has risen to absurdity. Climate change policy costs dumped on the public. Cost of mass-immigration and its related problems.

 

[HowAmIAlive123]

Every generation said "Men aren't manly anymore", it's an evergreen. But if you look back, the standards for "manhood" were different at any age. People today make fun of men who want to wear "feminine" clothes. Well, remember this is how the elites dressed in the 18th century.
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And they say men today are too soft and we need strong men. But for example, men were very intimate with other men in the old times. I guess pictures like this would be considered "gay" today.
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The definition of manhood was always dependent on the random outcomes of the complex social environment of the time. Many, many things influenced it. Today, many argue that men are weak, but people always said this, and in many ways it can be said that men today are manlier than men of other ages. Things like fashion and hobbys are very gender-segregated today, and male friendships don't include much physical touch. This wasn't always the case.

We have no idea how people will look back at our time. Maybe they will see how men in our age wear suits and think men were very manly, and they will see pics like this and think this was the average man back then ...
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average test levels are declining by 1% since the 50s.
Testosterone has its effects on mental health, and the way you act.

Men nowadays ARE soy

 

[n0rthface]

JFL, See them niggas with those faggot wigs on? They were challenging each other to duels and commanding armies.

see those two dudes being “intimate”
they fought in wars and worked in coal mines for fuck all money.

Studies show that men's testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a substantial drop in U.S. men's testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year



“ME BEING A LOW TESTOSTERONE FAT NEET IS ACTUALLY VERY MANLY”

 

[HowAmIAlive123]

I doubt we will be working less hours. The economy is fucked, atleast in the netherlands it is. And it will only get worse. Cost of living has risen to absurdity. Climate change policy costs dumped on the public. Cost of mass-immigration and its related problems.

then fuck working and LDAR with government gibs ngl

 

[AlexAP]

Testtosterone levels are getting lower and lower

Yes, that's a good point. However, while T levels influence a lot in the body, they don't have that much of an influence among male behavior. For example, even very high doses of Testosterone don't increase aggression or anger.

because of feminism and a quieter lifestyle, men are really getting more feminine.

In which way are men getting more feminine?

 

[Deleted member 9819]

actual manly men stopped existing as soon as agriculture started

 

[Deleted member 4106]

In which way are men getting more feminine?

More and more men behave like women

 

[n0rthface]

they don't have that much of an influence among male behavior. For example, even very high doses of Testosterone don't increase aggression or anger.

In which way are men getting more feminine?

Lolbertarded

Testosterone plays a role in certain behaviors, including aggression and dominance. It also helps to spark competitiveness and boost self-esteem. Just as sexual activity can affect testosterone levels, taking part in competitive activities can cause a man's testosterone levels to rise or fall.

 

[Kylo]

Besides the first one the next 2 look appropriate for a man.

 

[Deleted member 275]

worked in coal mines for fuck all money.

my granddad worked in the coal mines and it was sick, insane amounts of money. The mining region of the netherlands became the richest region of the country because of it.

You could be 18yo with a highschool degree, work in the coalmines, and make enough money to sustain a SAHM, 4 children, a big house, a car, and have enough left-over money to buy rolexes and fitted suits.

Life was simply much better back then. Working as a miner=ideal.

By age 28 he quit the mines cuz he had enough money saved up despite living lavishly, to start his own business. What a mogger life.
Made it to 82yo btw.

 

[Deleted member 15246]

I don't want to be manly and be sent to a war, while wahmen stays behind, rest at home and fuck with the next bad boy Chad who comes along, steals my money. Nah nada never I will rather be a cuck than be a manly men and goto a stupid useless war for the rich.

 

[AlexAP]

JFL, See them niggas with those faggot wigs on? They were challenging each other to duels and commanding armies.

see those two dudes being “intimate”
they fought in wars and worked in coal mines for fuck all money.

They had to. Men today would fight in wars if they were recruited, the only "problem" is that we live in peaceful times.

 

[Deleted member 15246]

my granddad worked in the coal mines and it was sick, insane amounts of money. The mining region of the netherlands became the richest region of the country because of it.

You could be 18yo with a highschool degree, work in the coalmines, and make enough money to sustain a SAHM, 4 children, a big house, a car, and have enough left-over money to buy rolexes and fitted suits.

Life was simply much better back then. Working as a miner=ideal.

By age 28 he quit the mines cuz he had enough money saved up despite living lavishly, to start his own business. What a mogger life.
Made it to 82yo btw.

Have you ever visited the whore House in Amsterdam looks heaven on earth.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Have you ever visited the whore House in Amsterdam looks heaven on earth.

pay 50 euros for a 15min fuck with some decent-looking eastern european whore. I guess if that's your thing go for it.

Never found it appealing.

 

[Deleted member 15246]

pay 50 euros for a 15min fuck with some decent-looking eastern european whore. I guess if that's your thing go for it.

Never found it appealing.

In Thailand it's much better, 50 for one night. Seems like a far better deal.

 

[metagross]

People with higher testosterone also have wider faces on average. Affecting your fwHr, which in turn affects your attractiveness.
So the declining testosterone levels are not great.
The incels are right on this. (It also affects other traits, like honesty, etc.)

 

[Deleted member 5786]

In Thailand it's much better, 50 for one night. Seems like a far better deal.

paying for sex is never ideal dude

 

[Deleted member 275]

paying for sex is never ideal dude

ur paying for one way or another.

A girlfriend will cost you 50euro/week if she's cheap. But probably closer to 100 euro/week.

Thats like 20% of the income you are left with once you paid the cost of living+taxes in the netherlands.

 

[Deleted member 14543]

my granddad worked in the coal mines and it was sick, insane amounts of money. The mining region of the netherlands became the richest region of the country because of it.

You could be 18yo with a highschool degree, work in the coalmines, and make enough money to sustain a SAHM, 4 children, a big house, a car, and have enough left-over money to buy rolexes and fitted suits.

Life was simply much better back then. Working as a miner=ideal.

By age 28 he quit the mines cuz he had enough money saved up despite living lavishly, to start his own business. What a mogger life.
Made it to 82yo btw.

things will never be like that again. the only way to get rich early is being really good at shit like ecom and selling online courses

 

[Deleted member 14543]

In Thailand it's much better, 50 for one night. Seems like a far better deal.

50 for 1 night? lifefuel for moving to there

 

[Deleted member 15246]

paying for sex is never ideal dude

Because of wahmen becoming extremely shallow and the brutal hypergamy in action + extreme feminine governments in power accross the world. 95% of men will get starfix sex.
Paying for sex is the only way out, it's still thousand times better than paying for onlyfans / bath water cuckoldry.

 

[Deleted member 15246]

50 for 1 night? lifefuel for moving to there

Yeah it seems like an heaven on earth.

 

[Deleted member 15246]

50 for 1 night? lifefuel for moving to there

Yeah it seems like an heaven on earth.

 

[thecel]

Yes, that's a good point. However, while T levels influence a lot in the body, they don't have that much of an influence among male behavior. For example, even very high doses of Testosterone don't increase aggression or anger.

Tell me why low tesosterone and soyboy behavior correlate. The Try Guys from BuzzFeed were found to be low-T when they had their T levels measured, and—big surprise—they work at BuzzFeed, soy as soy can be!

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Every generation said "Men aren't manly anymore", it's an evergreen. But if you look back, the standards for "manhood" were different at any age. People today make fun of men who want to wear "feminine" clothes. Well, remember this is how the elites dressed in the 18th century.
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And they say men today are too soft and we need strong men. But for example, men were very intimate with other men in the old times. I guess pictures like this would be considered "gay" today.
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The definition of manhood was always dependent on the random outcomes of the complex social environment of the time. Many, many things influenced it. Today, many argue that men are weak, but people always said this, and in many ways it can be said that men today are manlier than men of other ages. Things like fashion and hobbys are very gender-segregated today, and male friendships don't include much physical touch. This wasn't always the case.

We have no idea how people will look back at our time. Maybe they will see how men in our age wear suits and think men were very manly, and they will see pics like this and think this was the average man back then ...
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Most men weren't so intimate with eachother as to sit in other men's laps. That's just one picture.

You're right though. Bringing back manly men is a cope. It's a cope and it isn't gonna work. Manly men are gone with the wind. That doesn't mean you can't be one though. You can be a man who developes and lives by only his own principles. Encouraging the majority of men to be manly is a cope, but resolving to make one of yourself is not.

 

[fras]

actual manly men stopped existing as soon as agriculture started

Actually true. People underestimate the shit that went down in tribal times. There was zero feminisation, as soon as a foid back then became of breeding age, she would be gangbanged by every virile man in the group. When two tribes met the men would slaughter each other and take the women of the other group. If they resisted they were murdered too. It was a state of absolute mercilessness.

Now compare this to the times we live in (JFL). Anything that involves "civilisation" leads to feminisation and heavily benefits foids.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

I think soyboys, I.e. officecucks + liberal buzzfeed types skewed the results a bit though. I can’t see how a man working a physical job in 2021 would have much less T than the men working physical jobs back in the day. Sure they also didn’t have to deal with feminism + chemicals in plastics + waters etc.

But you can still see men with healthy testosterone levels working construction, warehouse jobs etc.

JFL, See them niggas with those faggot wigs on? They were challenging each other to duels and commanding armies.

see those two dudes being “intimate”
they fought in wars and worked in coal mines for fuck all money.

Studies show that men's testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a substantial drop in U.S. men's testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year



“ME BEING A LOW TESTOSTERONE FAT NEET IS ACTUALLY VERY MANLY”
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Actually true. People underestimate the shit that went down in tribal times. There was zero feminisation, as soon as a foid back then became of breeding age, she would be gangbanged by every virile man in the group. When two tribes met the men would slaughter each other and take the women of the other group. If they resisted they were murdered too. It was a state of absolute mercilessness.

Now compare this to the times we live in (JFL). Anything that involves "civilisation" leads to feminisation and heavily benefits foids.

That’s a good thing, violence isn’t always good + humans have rules in place to restrict destructive impulses.

The problem is women’s destructive impulses get encouraged + celebrated, instead of regulated like men’s.

 

[fras]

I think soyboys, I.e. officecucks + liberal buzzfeed types skewed the results a bit though. I can’t see how a man working a physical job in 2021 would have much less T than the men working physical jobs back in the day. Sure they also didn’t have to deal with feminism + chemicals in plastics + waters etc.

But you can still see men with healthy testosterone levels working construction, warehouse jobs etc.


That’s a good thing, violence isn’t always good + humans have rules in place to restrict destructive impulses.

The problem is women’s destructive impulses get encouraged + celebrated, instead of regulated like men’s.

You're right, but the reason that female impulses get encouraged is actually because of civilisation/order. Those systems in and of themselves are gynocentric and feminine. Order always benefits females and chaos always benefits males.

Lawlessness is the only way in which men can live out their desires and where toxic femininity is nullified. There is no middle ground.

 

[JosephGarrot123]

People with higher testosterone also have wider faces on average. Affecting your fwHr, which in turn affects your attractiveness.
So the declining testosterone levels are not great.
The incels are right on this. (It also affects other traits, like honesty, etc.)

fwhr is cope to an certain extent, my face is too wide

 

[Slasher]

then fuck working and LDAR with government gibs ngl

@HowAmIAlive123 I Want Your Pretty Ass In My Bed.
@Marsiere214 Yes, You're Still My Girl, Don't Worry.

 

[Deleted member 14781]

First one looks soy because he was a king, meaning no physical labour, a comfy life and no exercises. I feel liked the elites like to dress in weird exagerated ways to show off, to say "I am so rich I can dress like a faggot and still get pussy"
The other ones looked pretty masculine. I saw my dad and uncles pic at 15, they looked like grown men.

 

[AlexAP]

First one looks soy because he was a king, meaning no physical labour, a comfy life and no exercises. I feel liked the elites like to dress in weird exagerated ways to show off, to say "I am so rich I can dress like a faggot and still get pussy"

What about Rousseau? It seemed like it was the fashion in that age.

 

[Deleted member 14781]

What about Rousseau? It seemed like it was the fashion in that age.

Idk, we are talking about public figures who could've been eccentric type of men, it's like thinking that the average man has rainbow colors and face tattoos because Tekashi 69 has them

 

[Baldingman1998]

People with higher testosterone also have wider faces on average. Affecting your fwHr, which in turn affects your attractiveness.
So the declining testosterone levels are not great.
The incels are right on this. (It also affects other traits, like honesty, etc.)

High t = More honest?

 

[Deleted member 14781]

High t = More honest?

People with high T don't fear judgment so yeah

 

[metagross]

High t = More honest?

Yes that aswell. There was a study I remember, where people were asked to roll a dice and they had to score a 5 or higher to get money.
And low t people lied a lot more about scoring a 5+.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

100 years from now, ppl will look at old david gandy pics and say:
'lol at how low lookstandards were back then. Now it's 6'6+, mega-roid body, with the face below to not be incel anymore'

And it's not even ironic. Plastic surgery will get better, we will have early designerbabies for the rich, hypergamy will get worse, steroid usage will be completely normalized, etc

You will see rich gigachad with designerbaby genes have harems. While the average man will wageslave 80 hours/week or get exterminated.

Ma man stop smoking

Every generation is getting uglier. girls who fuck chads when they’re young end up marrying some gook or curry with stable career and ruin her genes

 

[Deleted member 14262]

And while I think maybe there will be genetic enhancement, I don't think it will lead to everyone needing to become a 6'6 Gigachad to be able to compete for women.

It was about the point he was making.