[BRUTAL] Jfl at MSE Copers

[PubertyMaxxer]

Three-dimensional soft tissue analysis of the face following micro-implant-supported maxillary skeletal expansion - Progress in Orthodontics

Background Skeletal maxillary expander (MSE) is one of the more recent expander designs being utilized for skeletal expansion by splitting the midpalatal sutures applying forces through palatal micro-implants. Its effects on the soft tissue remain a question asked by both patients and...

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statistically significant changes (p < 0.05 and p < 0.01) are localized in the circummaxillary area (paranasal, lips, and both cheeks). Vector map shows a mean displacement of 1.5 mm in the paranasal area. The right cheek showing a mean displacement magnitude of 2.5 mm while the left cheek has a mean of 2.9 mm. Direction of vectors are latero-anterior with more dominant anterior direction.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

MM in face is major

Even if little change it will with high likelihood mean easier nose breathing = better health and lower tendency to mouth breathing

 

[Deleted member 3043]

elaborate exactly

 

[Uglyandfat]

Three-dimensional soft tissue analysis of the face following micro-implant-supported maxillary skeletal expansion - Progress in Orthodontics

Background Skeletal maxillary expander (MSE) is one of the more recent expander designs being utilized for skeletal expansion by splitting the midpalatal sutures applying forces through palatal micro-implants. Its effects on the soft tissue remain a question asked by both patients and...

link.springer.com

statistically significant changes (p < 0.05 and p < 0.01) are localized in the circummaxillary area (paranasal, lips, and both cheeks). Vector map shows a mean displacement of 1.5 mm in the paranasal area. The right cheek showing a mean displacement magnitude of 2.5 mm while the left cheek has a mean of 2.9 mm. Direction of vectors are latero-anterior with more dominant anterior direction.

How many times are we gonna argue about fucking MSE on the site jesus fucking christ

 

[FootLongDong]

„Statistically significant“ p < 0.05 is in the 2 Second Standard divination and p< 0.01 even in the third which makes them extrem insignificant just sayin

 

[Deleted member 2661]

Are you even gonna do anything of the shit you say

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

elaborate exactly

Mse doesn't do shit

 

[Got the hunter eyes]

@Slayerino

 

[Deleted member 5187]

There are significant changes in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks following expansion using MSE with greater magnitude at the cheeks area. Those changes do not relapse after 1 year (p < 0.05).

DUMB FUCK
Uneducated piss human

Do you even know what (p<0.05)
It means that UNDER 5% have insignificant results

Meaning these can't be solely attributed to MSE but theres still a chance they are from MSE

Meaning more than 95.5% of people getting MSE will get significant change in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks and these results will last atleast a year
ATLEAST

Meaning a noticable and measurable result
This speaks in favour of MSE not against it

LOWEST IQ AWARD GOES TO OP

 

[nothingelse2do]

> soft tissue analysis

 

[Deleted member 5187]

There are significant changes in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks following expansion using MSE with greater magnitude at the cheeks area. Those changes do not relapse after 1 year (p < 0.05).

DUMB FUCK
Uneducated piss human

Do you even know what (p<0.05)
It means that UNDER 5% have insignificant results

Meaning these can't be solely attributed to MSE but theres still a change they are from MSE

Meaning more than 95.5% of people getting MSE will get significant change in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks and these results will last atleast a year
ATLEAST

Meaning a noticable and measurable result
This speaks in favour of MSE not against it

The soft tissue expands in a forward and lateral direction, primarily in the forward direction

Tell why this is bad dumbass

Can keep going on your subhuman IQ

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Mse doesn't do shit

not even in mouth widening?

 

[Deleted member 5187]

not even in mouth widening?

See my second comment in thread

There are significant changes in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks following expansion using MSE with greater magnitude at the cheeks area. Those changes do not relapse after 1 year (p < 0.05).

DUMB FUCK
Uneducated piss human

Do you even know what (p<0.05)
It means that UNDER 5% have insignificant results

Meaning these can't be solely attributed to MSE but theres still a change they are from MSE

Meaning more than 95.5% of people getting MSE will get significant change in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks and these results will last atleast a year
ATLEAST

Meaning a noticable and measurable result
This speaks in favour of MSE not against it

This one

 

[curryslayerordeath]

How many times are you going to make this same thread? You didn't even understand the fucking paper jfl. It literally proves that the lips and cheeks and widened, along with the zygomatic arch widening more than the nose. All of the positive effects are confirmed lmfao.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

How many times are you going to make this same thread? You didn't even understand the fucking paper jfl. It literally proves that the lips and cheeks and widened, along with the zygomatic arch widening more than the nose. All of the positive effects are confirmed lmfao.

Can't even begin
Pisses me of trying to use scientific studies and then not even understanding how to read them

Don't use scientific papers unless you got some understanding of how to read them

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Can't even begin
Pisses me of trying to use scientific studies and then not even understanding how to read them

Don't use scientific papers unless you got some understanding of how to read them

Exactly lol, there's so many times when people quote a paper here while only reading a sentence from the abstract and without any idea of how statistical results are reported jfl

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Exactly lol, there's so many times when people quote a paper here while only reading a sentence from the abstract and without any idea of how statistical results are reported jfl

They just want to prove a point so bad they cherry pick one part
Hoping no one will look at the actual study and cherries them on the finding

 

[Greeicy]

Does MSE improve IPD? Even if by just 2mms?

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Does MSE improve IPD? Even if by just 2mms?

Probaly not
We will have to wait and see

Studies now coming is a good thing
I imagine next step won't be just soft tissue

Now that theres evidence for change

Next step is probaly xrays or something

 

[forwardgrowth]

RETARD ALERT

 

[Greeicy]

Probaly not
We will have to wait and see

Studies now coming is a good thing
I imagine next step won't be just soft tissue

Now that theres evidence for change

Next step is probaly xrays or something

Well MSE would definitely be worth it for me if i can get wider zygos and wider palate but i really desperatly need a slight increase in IPD.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Well MSE would definitely be worth it for me if i can get wider zygos and wider palate but i really desperatly need a slight increase in IPD.

Honestly the best thing about MSE so far are the health benefits of a wider palate and paranasal base

 

[Deluded Normie]

Well MSE would definitely be worth it for me if i can get wider zygos and wider palate but i really desperatly need a slight increase in IPD.

Theres the possibility that it would increase slightly with age but tbh dont get your hopes up.

https://looksmax.org/threads/does-ipd-increase-with-age-aspie-scientist-gtfih.62380/#post-2131154

 

[Xander578]

for someone who talks constantly about surgeries i'm beginning to think u won't get a single one and are trying to convince urself they're cope

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Well MSE would definitely be worth it for me if i can get wider zygos and wider palate but i really desperatly need a slight increase in IPD.

Found this

considered areas of statistically significant (around the nose (paranasal), upper lip, cheeks, and to some extent zygomatic arch)

Shows change in zygos
Theres big hope then
Just not as significant as the other findings

@streege also shows upper lip change
They didn't check for lower lip since they used upper lip as vector for paranasal
But shows hope for us

 

[Greeicy]

Found this

considered areas of statistically significant (around the nose (paranasal), upper lip, cheeks, and to some extent zygomatic arch)

Shows change in zygos
Theres big hope then
Just not as significant as the other findings

@streege also shows upper lip change
They didn't check for lower lip since they used upper lip as vector for paranasal
But shows hope for us

My mouth width is fine tbh. What i'm afraid of is getting a lower ES ratio and making my eyes look even more close set which would rape me hard.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

My mouth width is fine tbh. What i'm afraid of is getting a lower ES ratio and making my eyes look even more close set which would rape me hard.

Part about lips was to @streege

But wider lips is likely a good thing for all

Cant say anything about ES
Need for further studies to say anything about this
But my guess is it won't change that much

 

[Xander578]

RETARD ALERT

jfl @ "cope this cope that" people really think one thing is gonna change their face significantly when they need a full facial reconstruction to go along with it

Part about lips was to @streege

But wider lips is likely a good thing for all

Cant say anything about ES
Need for further studies to say anything about this

Indeed i agree, wider lips look aesthetic in all cases (inb4 someone posts some deformed guy whose lips are wider than his jaw to disprove it)

 

[Greeicy]

jfl @ "cope this cope that" people really think one thing is gonna change their face significantly when they need a full facial reconstruction to go along with it

Having a good base and getting the right surgeries (not bullshit cope like fillers) would definitely ascend you. However if you have unfixable failos you can only ascend to above average at best.

 

[Xander578]

Having a good base and getting the right surgeries (not bullshit cope like fillers) would definitely ascend you. However if you have unfixable failos you can only ascend to above average at best.

i literally said some people need full facial reconstruction

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Indeed i agree, wider lips look aesthetic in all cases (inb4 someone posts some deformed guy whose lips are wider than his jaw to disprove it)

JFL
You got to be delicate with wording on this site ngl
Someone will always be coping and will find the exception to the rule

 

[Xander578]

JFL
You got to be delicate with wording on this site ngl
Someone will always be coping and will find the exception to the rule

this isn't a looksmaxxing forum after all

 

[Deleted member 5187]

this isn't a looksmaxxing forum after all

Copemax . Me

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

i literally said some people need full facial reconstruction

Wdym mean by that? Lefort 3?

 

[Greeicy]

Wdym mean by that? Lefort 3?

Meaning that some people have unfixable failos and in order for them to ascend to Chad level and not just above average they would need facial reconstruction.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Meaning that some people have unfixable failos and in order for them to ascend to Chad level and not just above average they would need facial reconstruction.

So lefort 3?

 

[Deleted member 2012]

MMs are miles on the face, people have undergone leforts for this amount

 

[needsolution]

MMs are miles on the face, people have undergone leforts for this amount

Jfl niggas expecting 20mm of movements, widening etc etc

 

[Greeicy]

So lefort 3?

Lefort 3 doesn't improve IPD or nose length.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Lefort 3 doesn't improve IPD or nose length.

Not everyone need that though
I demand @Slayerino s opinion on this

 

[Deusmaximus]

Can somebody post pictures of mse before and after? Thats the only thing that matters.
(ronald ead does not count)

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Can somebody post pictures of mse before and after? Thats the only thing that matters.
(ronald ead does not count)

 

[BackFromTheMogging]

How many times are you going to make this same thread? You didn't even understand the fucking paper jfl. It literally proves that the lips and cheeks and widened, along with the zygomatic arch widening more than the nose. All of the positive effects are confirmed lmfao.

Huuuuuge lifefuel I need width