Bulking is extremely unnatural

[randomuser2407]

one reps maxes: benchpress 140 kg, squat 160 kg, deadlift 180 kg, overhead press 95 kg and others I even don't know 1 rep max or don't do these excercises

pullups I have 14 reps with my bw, I can generally press much better than pull because of my shorter arms

what about you?

You are advanced on upper body (overhead press, pull up, bench press) but intermediate on lower body (squat and deadlift)


This is where I am at right now:

Overhead Dumbbell Extensions: 17.5 lb dumbbells for 8 reps
Barbell Bicep Curls: 70 lbs for 9 reps
Paused Overhead Press: 90 lbs for 5 reps
Close-Grip Bench Press: 90 lbs for 12 reps
Paused Bench Press: 115 lbs for 7 reps
Yates Rows: 160 lbs for 7 reps
Romanian Deadlifts: 160 lbs for 10 reps
High Bar Back Squats (ATG): 170 lbs for 6 reps
Conventional Deadlifts: 250 lbs for 7 reps



I'm still a novice but I will be an intermediate by the end of this year on both my upper body and lower body.
I am guessing you either do more work for your upper body or you started training your lower body later than your upper body.

Anyways, you must still have a very good physique.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Nobody dies from just Testosterone, thats unheard of jfl, almost every you guy that died was stacking with other roids too.

Also its absolutely worth it considering you will pack on more muscle then a gymcel by just sitting and not even going to gym.

There are multiple studies on this, you gain muscles on TRT just by existing and the amount is significant

Acne and hair loss

 

[Deleted member 18436]

you have to worry the same if you want to maximize the results

aside from things I mentioned while roiding you have to worry about much more, for example like kidney health and other health indicators, pct after cycle, dosages, combinations of roids and so on (unless you are a stupid fuck and just blast whatever and just higher the dose endlessly)

also strenght doesn't equal size, atleast not in 1:1 ratio, what kind of bullshit is that

I really find it hard to belief most men can't hit numbers like 150kg bench, 220kg squat, 240kg deadlift

 

[Deleted member 4757]

how do you struggle wiht bulking just drink oil

Wow wtf 884 calories per ml, thats fucked up i never throught about that jfl

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Dude, I started at 138 lbs, I am now 205 lbs with a flat stomach, I look much bigger.

Starting point ≠ Genetic potential

It’s over when your body weight is double your bench press. There’s no way you gained 67 pounds and only bench 115 pounds without becoming a fat fuck unless you were Christian bale machinist tier before

 

[LightSkinNoob]

I really find it hard to belief most men can't hit numbers like 150kg bench, 220kg squat, 240kg deadlift

You are a fucking larper, “really find it hard to belief” have have u ever been inside a gym or seen the frame of most guys. Ffs.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

You are a fucking larper, “really find it hard to belief” have have u ever been inside a gym or seen the frame of most guys. Ffs.

Yes i have Most guys eat fuck all to begin with or eat empty calories, office wankers people don't push themselves bottom line because they don't have to/ need to

 

[EasternRightWinger15]

You are advanced on upper body (overhead press, pull up, bench press) but intermediate on lower body (squat and deadlift)


This is where I am at right now:

Overhead Dumbbell Extensions: 17.5 lb dumbbells for 8 reps
Barbell Bicep Curls: 70 lbs for 9 reps
Paused Overhead Press: 90 lbs for 5 reps
Close-Grip Bench Press: 90 lbs for 12 reps
Paused Bench Press: 115 lbs for 7 reps
Yates Rows: 160 lbs for 7 reps
Romanian Deadlifts: 160 lbs for 10 reps
High Bar Back Squats (ATG): 170 lbs for 6 reps
Conventional Deadlifts: 250 lbs for 7 reps



I'm still a novice but I will be an intermediate by the end of this year on both my upper body and lower body.
I am guessing you either do more work for your upper body or you started training your lower body later than your upper body.

Anyways, you must still have a very good physique.

it's combination of more things, like genetical predisposition, me liking these excercises because I'm better at them and so on, but I started doing training lower and upper body at the same time

I guess I don't have the worst shape, altough these are older photos, I have to lose some bodyfat to look the same till summer

countinue doing good work, results would come

 

[randomuser2407]

it's combination of more things, like genetical predisposition, me liking these excercises because I'm better at them and so on, but I started doing training lower and upper body at the same time

I guess I don't have the worst shape, altough these are older photos, I have to lose some bodyfat to look the same till summer
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countinue doing good work, results would come

This is what I looked like back in July 2020:

This is what I look like now (photo was taken earlier this month):

My arms got a lot bigger, I am wearing the same shirt in both pictures, but a different color, my shoulders and upper back got bigger too.

And in the shirtless pics, my spinal erectors look huge, this is because I got strong at deadlifts.
I know I am still skinny fat but I will keep lean bulking for at least until the end of 2022, and then, when I will have built a base in strength and muscle mass, that is when I will cut for a few months to reveal six pack abs.

 

[isis_Bleach]

how do you struggle wiht bulking just drink oil

This is why vegetable oil is bad copers are simps that , copers
Vegetable oil is so easy to eat a lot of not that bulking or gymcelling is a good idea

 

[randomuser2407]

Agreed.

No offence, but you’re fucking gay.
I’m sorry.

No offence, but you're a fucking weaboo.
I'm sorry

 

[TsarTsar444]

By the way, this is where I am at right now in terms of strength:

Overhead Dumbbell Extensions: 17.5 lb dumbbells for 8 reps
Barbell Bicep Curls: 70 lbs for 9 reps
Paused Overhead Press: 90 lbs for 5 reps
Close-Grip Bench Press: 95 lbs for 11 reps
Paused Bench Press: 117.5 lbs for 6 reps
Yates Rows: 162.5 lbs for 7 reps
Romanian Deadlifts: 165 lbs for 11 reps
High Bar Back Squats: 170 lbs for 7 reps
Conventional Deadlifts: 255 lbs for 8 reps

This is a meme right?

 

[Deleted member 4430]

Most actors come from poverty, not wealth.

not really

Yes, some came somewhere from Kentucky from the lower class family and with their talent they come a long way up, but most were simply born into success. Whether they were born into an upper class family in New York or L.A. or by what they looked like. JFL even your example Robert Downey Jr. were born to a famous director. And Dicaprio has literally been cast since he was child due to his looks. Yes, if you want to be really good at something, especially critically, work hard most of your life in theaters like Alain Rickmen (which you don't even know by mentioning that his career started at a late age - mistake - nobody give a shit before die hard), but you'll never be as rich as Tom Cruise and when someone shows your picture on the street everyone says Snape without knowing your name or other roles.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Didn't get your point, testosterone isn't that bad for your health at all, its the other roids that are much worse. Zyzz has the ideal body all around and it can be achieved in 3-4- cycles of T while fooling around with your training and eating

Lol most guys aren’t looking anything like Zuzu after years of hardcore dedication - JFL at thinking you can fool around with training as eating and look that good, if that was the case there would be fitness models on every street corner

 

[randomuser2407]

This is a meme right?

Strength may not be directly proportional to muscle mass but progressive overload is.

I have added 100 lbs to my deadlift in the past 2 months, and as a result, my spinal erectors, upper back, glutes, hamstrings and forearms have gotten much bigger.

My upper body lifts progress slower because my long arms put me at a disadvantage and take longer to grow, but I have still seen a lot of progress in my arms, chest and lats.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Strength may not be directly proportional to muscle mass but progressive overload is.

I have added 100 lbs to my deadlift in the past 2 months, and as a result, my spinal erectors, upper back, glutes, hamstrings and forearms have gotten much bigger.

My upper body lifts progress slower because my long arms put me at a disadvantage and take longer to grow, but I have still seen a lot of progress in my arms, chest and lats.

You were doing 68kg deadlifts 2 months ago while bulking? I was doing 80kg deadlifts on a 1000 caloric deficit while looking like an auschwitz victim. Please get your thyroid checked, there is a possibility you are hyperthyroid which causes massive catabolism

 

[randomuser2407]

You were doing 68kg deadlifts 2 months ago while bulking? I was doing 80kg deadlifts on a 1000 caloric deficit while looking like an auschwitz victim. Please get your thyroid checked, there is a possibility you are hyperthyroid which causes massive catabolism

It's not a thyroid problem it's a matter of starting point genetics.

When I started lifting, I couldn't bench the bar, I couldn't squat, I couldn't deadlift, I couldn't overhead press the bar, so I used only dumbbells, then when I got strong enough to use barbells, I started doing the major compound movements and made a lot of progress.

I started in 2016, but because of my ADHD medication, I wasn't sleeping enough or eating enough for a long time so I struggled to put on mass and get stronger. Now, I no longer take the medication, I eat enough, I sleep enough and I train way harder than before and because I have optimized everything, I make great progress.

Also, when I said I added 100 lbs, it wasn't exactly 100 lbs, I was actually deadlifting 190 lbs for 8 reps in late January so 2 and a half months ago, and not 155 lbs, so I added 65 lbs, I had just forgotten the exact number, but at one point in 2021, I could only do 135 lbs for 8 reps and like I said, during that year I wasn't lifting consistently.

And, like I said, it's not the number that matters, it's the amount of time that progressive overload is applied. So even if I start weaker and make slower strength progress, if I train hard, I am still going to gain 2 lbs of muscle per month. Nobody cares how much you can lift except for gym bros, what matters is what you look like.

Watch this for more details (it's timestamped, you don't need to watch the entire thing):

 

[TsarTsar444]

It's not a thyroid problem it's a matter of starting point genetics.

When I started lifting, I couldn't bench the bar, I couldn't squat, I couldn't deadlift, I couldn't overhead press the bar, so I used only dumbbells, then when I got strong enough to use barbells, I started doing the major compound movements and made a lot of progress.

I started in 2016, but because of my ADHD medication, I wasn't sleeping enough or eating enough for a long time so I struggled to put on mass and get stronger. Now, I no longer take the medication, I eat enough, I sleep enough and I train way harder than before and because I have optimized everything, I make great progress.

Also, when I said I added 100 lbs, it wasn't exactly 100 lbs, I was actually deadlifting 190 lbs for 8 reps in late January so 2 and a half months ago, and not 155 lbs, so I added 65 lbs, I had just forgotten the exact number, but at one point in 2021, I could only do 135 lbs for 8 reps and like I said, during that year I wasn't lifting consistently.

And, like I said, it's not the number that matters, it's the amount of time that progressive overload is applied. So even if I start weaker and make slower strength progress, if I train hard, I am still going to gain 2 lbs of muscle per month. Nobody cares how much you can lift except for gym bros, what matters is what you look like.

Watch this for more details (it's timestamped, you don't need to watch the entire thing):

You aren't taking meds now?? How are you coping with adhd then? Its suicidefuel for me

 

[randomuser2407]

You aren't taking meds now?? How are you coping with adhd then? Its suicidefuel for me

Training hard 3 times per week, sleeping 8-9 hours per night and eating a healthy diet with enough calories, protein, vitamins and minerals is what allows me to not take medication and still be fine.

Also, before I started doing this, I was coughing all the time and my cardiovascular endurance sucked, training hard fixed it.

The problem with ADHD meds for me was that they prevented me from sleeping early at night even when I was really tired, and they prevented me from eating enough for bodybuilding, and as a result, my recovery for my training sucked, so my results sucked too and this made me stop training so many times. And also, the meds made me obsessed with things that I didn't really care about instead of training.

 

[SteveRogers]

my pecs are getting bigger, so much so that my family has started to notice when I hug them.

@loox the ultimate indicator of hypertrophy jfl.
I almost feel bad, this nigga has the strength stats of what was my natty 13 year old ass.

 

[randomuser2407]

@RoundHouse

 

[randomuser2407]

when im telling u i actually fucking caged irl when i saw that fucking username and avi "natural hypertrophy" gtfo nigger

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legit couldnt believe it when u said 7 years of training and this nigga looks like a holocaust survivor with extra fat on him​

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View attachment 1637240 nigga looks like my sleep paralysis demon​

I just did that to delete my rating thread and get rid of my former username, and it worked.

I don't care what you idiots think anyways

 

[randomuser2407]

when im telling u i actually fucking caged irl when i saw that fucking username and avi "natural hypertrophy" gtfo nigger

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legit couldnt believe it when u said 7 years of training and this nigga looks like a holocaust survivor with extra fat on him​

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View attachment 1637240 nigga looks like my sleep paralysis demon​

It's not 7 years of training, it's a few months, I started in 2016 but I was never consistent so it doesn't count.

 

[Pendejo]

You look disgusting, you have a low tier normie face combined with a steroidmaxxed ogre body.

Lifefuel, just be a low tier normie with ogre body and you will get 99+ Tinder likes in a day and a hot JB gf

@loox @RoundHouse

 

[randomuser2407]

Lifefuel, just be a low tier normie with ogre body and you will get 99+ Tinder likes in a day and a hot JB gf

@loox @RoundHouse

When I said ogre, I meant that it's too much, the 3D delts look disgusting, and meanwhile, he has tiny stick forearms, tiny biceps and tiny triceps.

He looks like the type of guy who only trains shoulders and chest and he has an ugly ruski face.

I might never get 3D delts as a natural but at least my physique is proportional. By the way, you guys laugh but if I was lean, my physique would look like this:

except with different muscle insertions

So at the end of the year, I will look even better than that, probably like this:

 

[Truemaxxer]

So at the end of the year, I will look even better than that, probably like this:

View attachment 1637600

are you serious?

 

[randomuser2407]

are you serious?

Yes, but in terms of size, not exact look because my insertions are different.

What you guys don't realize is that I store all my fat in my belly, so the arms, chest and shoulders that you see on my picture are all muscle, so if I cut, they will stay the same size but I will look better, just because bodybuilding is a game of proportions.

The reason why I don't want to cut is because I am still at the novice level, so by training hard and eating enough to gain 2 lbs per month, I am still gaining 2 lbs of muscle per month, so at the end of the year, I will be way bigger. But if I start a cut now, I will waste time.
If I start a cut in 2023, after having built 20-24 lbs of muscle, I will have a much better physique.

The physique that Stephen Amell had in Arrow doesn't take 3 years to achieve as a natural, only around 1 year to 1 year and a half, and in 2023, I will have been training for that long.

 

[Truemaxxer]

Yes, but in terms of size, not exact look because my insertions are different.

What you guys don't realize is that I store all my fat in my belly, so the arms, chest and shoulders that you see on my picture are all muscle, so if I cut, they will stay the same size but I will look better, just because bodybuilding is a game of proportions.

The reason why I don't want to cut is because I am still at the novice level, so by training hard and eating enough to gain 2 lbs per month, I am still gaining 2 lbs of muscle per month, so at the end of the year, I will be way bigger. But if I start a cut now, I will waste time.
If I start a cut in 2023, after having built 20-24 lbs of muscle, I will have a much better physique.

The physique that Stephen Amell had in Arrow doesn't take 3 years to achieve as a natural, only around 1 year to 1 year and a half, and in 2023, I will have been training for that long.

what are you doing for a living tho and how are you still at novice Level after so many years LG training

either way you should be really happy if you even reach 60% of his body after cutting but ig we have to wait till mid 2023

 

[randomuser2407]

what are you doing for a living tho and how are you still at novice Level after so many years LG training

either way you should be really happy if you even reach 60% of his body after cutting but ig we have to wait till mid 2023

Like I said many times before, I have only been training hard for a few months because when I started lifting in 2016, I didn't know what I was doing, but now I train in the most optimal way possible and as a result I have been getting amazing results.

At the end of this year, so right at the beginning of 2023, I should be at the intermediate level so:

a 105 lb barbell bicep curl for 5 reps
a 115 lb overhead tricep extension for 5 reps
a 135 lb paused overhead press for 5 reps
a 210 lb paused close grip bench press for 5 reps
a 225 lb paused bench press for 5 reps
a 230 lb yates row for 5 reps
a 315 lb high bar back squat for 5 reps
a 405 lb conventional deadlift for 5 reps


For some exercises I may be a bit over or a bit under those numbers but they are a good estimate of what level I will be at, and it won't be for a 1 rep max but for 5 reps or more.

As of right now, this is my level:
Overhead Dumbbell Extensions: 17.5 lb dumbbells for 10 reps
Barbell Bicep Curls: 70 lbs for 9 reps
Paused Overhead Press: 90 lbs for 6 reps
Paused Close-Grip Bench Press: 100 lbs for 10 reps
Paused Bench Press: 117.5 lbs for 6 reps
Yates Rows: 162.5 lbs for 7 reps
Romanian Deadlifts: 165 lbs for 11 reps
High Bar Back Squats: 175 lbs for 6 reps
Conventional Deadlifts: 260 lbs for 7 reps


However, if I keep bulking for the entire year, I will not have abs by the end of the year, so I will have the muscle mass but without the six pack, then I will have to cut. I will start to cut once my linear gains stop, then I will switch to intermediate programming by introducing periodization.

 

[randomuser2407]

Roidpill is too brutal for him to swallow.



@ 9:50, Mike Thurston can't even bench 308 for reps. Most roiders just get a pump and leave since roids make you grow regardless of your effort. Larry called him out for being weak on steroids. Roids and Genes > Training.

Thank God I natty t mog copingvolcel to oblivion, I'm almost gonna do hardcore cardio to get ripped. I was worried I had astrosky level natty test, but it was almost 900, if I was lean and ripped like Prime Shane Mosley or Floyd Mayweather it could be 40% higher. I have never had a pants size above a 32 or 34 in my life, another high T trait.

We'll see on January 1 2023, that is the only reason why I haven't deleted my account.

 

[randomuser2407]

why do that when you can just get a botched bimax and train natty for 7 years just to still be an ugly skinnyfat virgin in your mid 20s?

those are pics are from over a year and a half ago and my average rating on that rate thread was still about double yours, JFL

Unlike you, I am not trying to attract incels, I am trying to attract women.

That is the difference

 

[Growth Plate]

Just lol, 3 months into my bulk, my apetite shut down and for the past few days i have been eating even slighty below maintenance because thats my natural limit.

Your ideal bf is dictated by your hunger unless you have subhuman hormones like fatcels or mental illnesses like anorexiacels

was being 100lbs at 5'7" from 14 to 15 my natural limit?

 

[Yellowskies]

Just lol, 3 months into my bulk, my apetite shut down and for the past few days i have been eating even slighty below maintenance because thats my natural limit.

Your ideal bf is dictated by your hunger unless you have subhuman hormones like fatcels or mental illnesses like anorexiacels

”Your ideal bf is dictated by your hunger”

This is important and true but one element is missing

You should let hunger dictate when you eat, assuming you only eat clean (80 percent greens/fruits) and workout.

If you eat shit food and don’t move, your hunger will fuck you up.

We are living in a society that we are not adapted to genetics wise.

 

[randomuser2407]

was being 100lbs at 5'7" from 14 to 15 my natural limit?

There is no such thing as the natural limit

 

[StuffedFrog]

You are advanced on upper body (overhead press, pull up, bench press) but intermediate on lower body (squat and deadlift)


This is where I am at right now:

Overhead Dumbbell Extensions: 17.5 lb dumbbells for 8 reps
Barbell Bicep Curls: 70 lbs for 9 reps
Paused Overhead Press: 90 lbs for 5 reps
Close-Grip Bench Press: 90 lbs for 12 reps
Paused Bench Press: 115 lbs for 7 reps
Yates Rows: 160 lbs for 7 reps
Romanian Deadlifts: 160 lbs for 10 reps
High Bar Back Squats (ATG): 170 lbs for 6 reps
Conventional Deadlifts: 250 lbs for 7 reps



I'm still a novice but I will be an intermediate by the end of this year on both my upper body and lower body.
I am guessing you either do more work for your upper body or you started training your lower body later than your upper body.

Anyways, you must still have a very good physique.

Your pretty weak

 

[randomuser2407]

”Your ideal bf is dictated by your hunger”

This is important and true but one element is missing

You should let hunger dictate when you eat, assuming you only eat clean (80 percent greens/fruits) and workout.

If you eat shit food and don’t move, your hunger will fuck you up.

We are living in a society that we are not adapted to genetics wise.

That is bullshit, if a skinny guy relies on hunger, he is going to stay small for the rest of his life.

Even if you train hard, if you don't eat enough, it is all for nothing.

The only people who can allow themselves to not worry too much about diet are those who use steroids and even then, a better diet would give them better gains.

 

[randomuser2407]

Your pretty weak

I have only been lifting for like 2 months, and for 3 months in 2019 and 3 months in 2016 but I started very weak.

What matters most is not the strength level compared to others, but the progress that each person made.
The only time we need to compare ourselves is when we compete in a sport.

 

[Yellowskies]

That is bullshit, if a skinny guy relies on hunger, he is going to stay small for the rest of his life.

Even if you train hard, if you don't eat enough, it is all for nothing.

The only people who can allow themselves to not worry too much about diet are those who use steroids and even then, a better diet would give them better gains.

No. Natties who force feed get fat - period

You dont gain muscle by eating 2x above your natural appetite as a natty you gain muscle SLOWLY over years through intelligent and consistent strength training, and eating around your natural appetite. You cant eat a caloric surplus year in and out without getting fat so you need to eat at maintanence (listening to your true appetite) or cycle bulks and cuts which is a roller coaster that I don’t recommend.

It sounds boring but it’s true for grown up natties.

It’s bluepill to fool ectos that they can ”eat big to get big”. Some ectos just get fat from trying to eat like mesos..

 

[StuffedFrog]

I have only been lifting for like 2 months, and for 3 months in 2019 and 3 months in 2016 but I started very weak.

What matters most is not the strength level compared to others, but the progress that each person made.
The only time we need to compare ourselves is when we compete in a sport.

Not really if you didn't compare you would never know how truly good you are
You are weak that's a true fact not hating or anything

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

10 Reasons Why Steroid Users Are *J-E-A-L-O-U-S* Of Natural Bodybuilders | NattyOrNot.com

#9 "Naturals don't have to "bulk up", because force feeding a muscle into growth is impossible. No amount of food can stimulate protein synthesis past the levels programmed in your DNA. Amino acids are just bricks. More bricks do not equal a bigger house when the architect hasn't planned it.

Therefore, consuming a vast amount of nutrients when you are a natural is a waste because your body cannot utilize the extra for what you want. This doesn't hold true for roid users, however. Since steroids promote greater protein synthesis more food could result in more growth."

Squats Made My Legs So Huge That I Can’t Find Jeans Anymore | NattyOrNot.com

The Truth about Bulking: Permabulkers and Fat Makers Exposed | NattyOrNot.com

@Natural Hypertrophy on suicide watch.

 

[TsarTsar444]

10 Reasons Why Steroid Users Are *J-E-A-L-O-U-S* Of Natural Bodybuilders | NattyOrNot.com

#9 "Naturals don't have to "bulk up", because force feeding a muscle into growth is impossible. No amount of food can stimulate protein synthesis past the levels programmed in your DNA. Amino acids are just bricks. More bricks do not equal a bigger house when the architect hasn't planned it.

Therefore, consuming a vast amount of nutrients when you are a natural is a waste because your body cannot utilize the extra for what you want. This doesn't hold true for roid users, however. Since steroids promote greater protein synthesis more food could result in more growth."

Squats Made My Legs So Huge That I Can’t Find Jeans Anymore | NattyOrNot.com

The Truth about Bulking: Permabulkers and Fat Makers Exposed | NattyOrNot.com

@Natural Hypertrophy on suicide watch.

You can't build muscle in a caloric deficit or based on your apetite unless a total beginner or very fat

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

You can't build muscle in a caloric deficit or based on your apetite unless a total beginner or very fat

Natty bulking is fatty bulking.

 

[randomuser2407]

Natty bulking is fatty bulking.

You're retarded.

There are many different ways to bulk, not just one way. You can gain 0.5 lbs per week, 1 lb per week or 2 lbs per week.

If you gain 2 lbs per week, you will get fat very quickly unless you start as anorexic.
If you gain 1 lb per week, you will gain 50% muscle and 50% fat so you will have to cut after a few months.


If you gain 0.5 lbs per week, you will gain near 100% muscle, so you will only need to cut if you want to get lean after having built a lot of muscle mass. This is clearly the best option because it minimizes fat gain while promoting maximum muscle gain.

The reason why recomp or maingaining doesn't work is because you cannot gain muscle while losing fat at the same time unless you are obese or a complete beginner, so you need to gain muscle and to gain muscle, you need to gain weight. Novices can expect to gain 2 lbs of muscle per month, so gaining 0.5 lbs per week is ideal because it guarantees that if your training, diet and sleep are on point, you will gain 2 lbs of muscle per month and almost no fat, so if you bulk like this, you may only need to cut 2 years later.

This is also known as lean bulking. It is the most effective way to gain muscle as a natural.

 

[randomuser2407]

10 Reasons Why Steroid Users Are *J-E-A-L-O-U-S* Of Natural Bodybuilders | NattyOrNot.com

#9 "Naturals don't have to "bulk up", because force feeding a muscle into growth is impossible. No amount of food can stimulate protein synthesis past the levels programmed in your DNA. Amino acids are just bricks. More bricks do not equal a bigger house when the architect hasn't planned it.

Therefore, consuming a vast amount of nutrients when you are a natural is a waste because your body cannot utilize the extra for what you want. This doesn't hold true for roid users, however. Since steroids promote greater protein synthesis more food could result in more growth."

Squats Made My Legs So Huge That I Can’t Find Jeans Anymore | NattyOrNot.com

The Truth about Bulking: Permabulkers and Fat Makers Exposed | NattyOrNot.com

@Natural Hypertrophy on suicide watch.

Natty or not is a retarded website written by a DYEL who looks like shit, so you're an idiot if you believe anything he says.

He is worst than Jason Blaha, and that is saying a lot.

 

[randomuser2407]

No. Natties who force feed get fat - period

You dont gain muscle by eating 2x above your natural appetite as a natty you gain muscle SLOWLY over years through intelligent and consistent strength training, and eating around your natural appetite. You cant eat a caloric surplus year in and out without getting fat so you need to eat at maintanence (listening to your true appetite) or cycle bulks and cuts which is a roller coaster that I don’t recommend.

It sounds boring but it’s true for grown up natties.

It’s bluepill to fool ectos that they can ”eat big to get big”. Some ectos just get fat from trying to eat like mesos..

You can't gain muscle without gaining weight.

The trick is to slowly gain weight over time yes, but not over as many years as you think.

Building an above average physique should only take 1 year, that is when you would make most of your muscle gains if you train properly. In that 1 year, you can build 20-24 lbs of muscle.

Then 10-12 lbs of muscle in the second year.
And then 5-6 lbs of muscle in the third year.
And then, 2-3 lbs of muscle in the fourth year.

This means that a novice lifter must bulk up at a rate of 2 lbs per month, while an intermediate lifter, must bulk up at a rate of 1 lb per month.

However, a case can be made for skinny guys who are underweight to bulk up at a rate of 3-4 lbs per month (depending on how skinny they are) because if you're too skinny, you'll struggle to make gains, because naturals cannot make effective progress while a body fat percentage that is too low.

 

[Yellowskies]

You can't gain muscle without gaining weight.

The trick is to slowly gain weight over time yes, but not over as many years as you think.

Building an above average physique should only take 1 year, that is when you would make most of your muscle gains if you train properly. In that 1 year, you can build 20-24 lbs of muscle.

Then 10-12 lbs of muscle in the second year.
And then 5-6 lbs of muscle in the third year.
And then, 2-3 lbs of muscle in the fourth year.

This means that a novice lifter must bulk up at a rate of 2 lbs per month, while an intermediate lifter, must bulk up at a rate of 1 lb per month.

However, a case can be made for skinny guys who are underweight to bulk up at a rate of 3-4 lbs per month (depending on how skinny they are) because if you're too skinny, you'll struggle to make gains, because naturals cannot make effective progress while a body fat percentage that is too low.

If they gain with bulking its some mucle but mostly fat and water, then cutting removes it all along with some muscle retaining a small bit of pure lean muscle gain that could have been made the very same without out that bulking but with a solid maintenance diet. U can gain muscle by hovering around baseline, body just needs energy, protein and which it gets.

U need to be in caloric surplus to gain WEIGHT. U dont need it to build muscle, you need energy and protein but you’re not deprived of that. Energy can be taken from body fat even.

 

[randomuser2407]

If they gain with bulking its some mucle but mostly fat and water, then cutting removes it all along with some muscle retaining a small bit of pure lean muscle gain that could have been made the very same without out that bulking but with a solid maintenance diet. U can gain muscle by hovering around baseline, body just needs energy, protein and which it gets.

U need to be in caloric surplus to gain WEIGHT. U dont need it to build muscle, you need energy and protein but you’re not deprived of that. Energy can be taken from body fat even.

Sounds like you have been watching a lot of G-Shred.

Maingaining doesn't work unless you are obese or a complete beginner. The reason why it is impossible to gain muscle at maintenance is because it is impossible to gain strength at maintenance, and the more strength you gain, the more muscle you gain because progressive overload leads directly to muscle growth. So a small surplus is always needed to make optimal gains.

Also, you do need to gain weight to gain muscle, you can't gain muscle AND lose fat at the same time as a natural if you have some training experience.

The problem with taking advice from fake natties is that what they say won't work for you unless you take the amount of steroids that they take. If you want effective bodybuilding advice that works for naturals, you need to listen to real lifetime naturals like AlphaDestiny, Natural Hypertrophy, Revival Fitness, Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Omar Isuf, Scott Herman, Jeff Nippard, Alan Thrall, Back Guy, and Brandon Campbell Diamond.

 

[Yellowskies]

Sounds like you have been watching a lot of G-Shred.

Maingaining doesn't work unless you are obese or a complete beginner. The reason why it is impossible to gain muscle at maintenance is because it is impossible to gain strength at maintenance, and the more strength you gain, the more muscle you gain because progressive overload leads directly to muscle growth. So a small surplus is always needed to make optimal gains.

Also, you do need to gain weight to gain muscle, you can't gain muscle AND lose fat at the same time as a natural if you have some training experience.

The problem with taking advice from fake natties is that what they say won't work for you unless you take the amount of steroids that they take. If you want effective bodybuilding advice that works for naturals, you need to listen to real lifetime naturals like AlphaDestiny, Natural Hypertrophy, Revival Fitness, Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Omar Isuf, Scott Herman, Jeff Nippard, Alan Thrall, Back Guy, and Brandon Campbell Diamond.

I just go by 30 years of experience and reading about this shit topic

Bulking is fucking bullshit and that’s what I wished someone told me early on

Stay safe brah

 

[randomuser2407]

I just go by 30 years of experience and reading about this shit topic

Bulking is fucking bullshit and that’s what I wished someone told me early on

Stay safe brah

Like I said, I tried for many years to gain muscle without bulking and I wasn't making progress.

But based on what I have seen, there are definitely guys out there who have such good genetics for body composition that they can effectively recomp as novices for an entire year by gaining muscle and losing fat, but this depends on your genetics. My genetics do not allow me to do that, every lb of muscle that I gained was when I was on a bulk, when I cut, my strength remains the same, even when I use a small deficit.

 

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We'll see on January 1 2023, that is the only reason why I haven't deleted my account.

im also bulking and so far have had made great gains
once i cut i know the results will show for themself