But, but muh JBW!

[Wexilarious]

For some reason there are no ugly guys here

Asian Female Gaze

One of the most popular influencers here in Thailand called Pugin Wisad, 99% of her content is dating white chads / pretty boys Most of the comments are either asian girls thirsting or trash talking the girl for not being pretty. If you are going to geomax to an asian country, these are the...

looksmax.org

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

Women who don't express a 'racial preference' in dating behave the same as women who do

Hitsch et al. (2006) analyzed a dataset including the activities of 22,000 users of a major online dating service in Boston and San Diego over a period of three and a half months in 2003.

One analysis they performed was to specifically investigate whether those who stated a racial preference behaved any different from those who did not. To maintain a strong sample size, they restricted their analysis to Caucasian members' messaging behaviors.

While men who stated they had no racial preference did behave in a less racially biased fashion, women who stated they had no racial preference acted the same as those who said they did not. This data suggests that the only difference between women who state a racial preference and those who do not is either how honest or self aware they are.

References:

Hitsch GJ, Hortaçsu A, Ariely D. 2006. What Makes You Click?—Mate Preferences and Matching Outcomes in Online Dating. University of Chicago & MIT. [Abstract] [FullText]

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

Racism in dating is stable or worsening, not improving, over time

OkCupid analyzed racial dating data from 2009 and 2014 to evaluate if racism in dating is changing. They found that although people reported they are more open to dating people of other races over that time frame, racially motivated behaviors actually intensified.

Thus while it seems apparent people are becoming more interested in portraying themselves as less racially motivated, this is not manifesting in any changes to their actual dating behavior. If anything, their underlying racism has intensified.

One must wonder whether it is preferable to suffer racism that is openly acknowledged, or to falsely be told racism doesn't exist but still suffer from it anyway.

Quotes:

OkCupid users are certainly no more open-minded than they used to be. If anything, racial bias has intensified a bit.
One interesting thing is to compare [users' racial behaviors] with what those same users have told us about their racial attitudes.
Answers to match questions have been getting significantly less biased over time [i.e. "Do you strongly prefer to date someone of your own race?" and "Is interracial marriage a bad idea?"]
And yet the underlying behavior has stayed the same.
References:

Rudder C. 2014. Race and Attraction, 2009 – 2014. OkTrends. [FullText]

 

[JackSmith07]

Women reply most online to white men and least to Indian men


Data published by OkCupid shows women overall have the highest probability of replying to white men and the lowest probability of replying to Indian men. Similarly to the plight of Southeast Asian men, Indian women were actually least likely to reply to an Indian men of any race of women, showing all races of women are eager to discriminate against Indian men in dating, including especially women of the same race.

The poor performance of Indian American men occurs despite the fact that (contrary to popular modern negative cultural stereotypes of Indian Americans) Indian Americans are the highest educated class in America and 40.6% of Indian Americans over 25 have graduate or professional degrees. Indian Americans are also the highest earning class in America, earning 1.78x the average income. Indian Americans are also among the most likely to have liberal views in America, with 65% liberal and 18% conservative (Pew 2014). If these were things that truly mattered most to women, one might expect better performance for Indian men in online dating.

The performance of middle eastern men was higher in this data set than others, and the performance of Hispanic men somewhat lower. However, a clear consensus from all online dating data emerges that women consistently prefer white men most of all and are generally most likely to reject Asian and Indian men based solely on their races.

The converse gender data showed men were least likely to reply to black women, but otherwise equally likely to reply to any other race of women. Despite this disadvantage for black women, black women had a reply rate that was 1.65x Indian men's, 1.58x black men's, 1.54x Asian men's, and 1.17x white men's. Thus this data demonstrates that even the most disadvantaged race of women experiences considerably greater success online than even the most preferred race of men.
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Whiter, golden, & rosier (ie. Caucasian) skin is seen as healthier and more attractive

Scientific research demonstrates the global preference for whiter skin and "white standard" of beauty by which all races are judged is likely biological.

To remove racial bias from the equation, researchers asked Caucasian participants to change the skin color of Caucasian male and female faces on a computer screen to make them look as healthy as possible. The participants overwhelmingly increased the rosiness, yellowness and brightness of the subjects' skin. Past research from the same team showed this same preference in other races as well, where South Africans also tended to judge rosier faces as healthier.

A combination of bright, rosy, and golden skin is suggested to represent an objective biological indicator of health, even though a weak one. This is likely ingrained in the human species from an evolutionary perspective, as the same preference has been observed in nonhuman animals.

Two white guys in their mid 30s discussing their experiences in Thailand in 2025 and how JBW is BS.

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

JBW is law

tbf most of these studies are 2015-2018. Show recent one's 2020+. Mainstream media has been deliberately creating ethnic halo so JBW is weaker, relative to JBE.

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

Top university professor dismantling JBW Theory.



Two white guys in their mid 30s discussing their experiences in Thailand in 2025 and how JBW is BS.
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tl;dr He contends that humans select for similarity or homogeny. He then says 'optimal fertility' is most species is 3-4 cousins (ie that races are inherently ethnocentric and that therefore whites prefer whites, asians prefer asians, blacks prefer blacks etc). That doesn't necessarily disprove JBW anymore than it proves it (whites prefer whites).

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

tbf most of these studies are 2015-2018. Show recent one's 2020+. Mainstream media has been deliberately creating ethnic halo so JBW is weaker, relative to JBE.

Yes bro women suddenly changed their preferences just because a few years passed

Blackpill teaches us attraction is hardwired into women.

Also the media mostly only promotes black men, it does the opposite with Asian, Arab and Indian men.

 

[JackSmith07]

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[aDifferentPerspect]

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Imagine seeing all those studies and thinking asiaans have any smv in the west, you are truly delusional.

 

[JackSmith07]

tl;dr He contends that humans select for similarity or homogeny. He then says 'optimal fertility' is most species is 3-4 cousins (ie that races are inherently ethnocentric and that therefore whites prefer whites, asians prefer asians, blacks prefer blacks etc). That doesn't necessarily disprove JBW anymore than it proves it (whites prefer whites).

You're a retard. It DOES disprove JBW, which is the belief that white men are the most attractive race to women universally. When the data, as explained by the professor, shows a same race bias.

 

[JackSmith07]

Imagine seeing all those studies and thinking asiaans have any smv in the west, you are truly delusional.

Surveys are manipulated and hold little to no weight scientifically because upon closer scrutiny theyre flawed 9 times out of 10. The dating app statistics and experiments are worthless because they predate ID and facial scanning certification. I've linked the hard data from the field of evolutionary biology and you've dismissed it without reason. You are the deluded one.

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

Surveys are manipulated and hold little to no weight scientifically because upon closer scrutiny theyre flawed 9 times out of 10. The dating app statistics and experiments are worthless because they predate ID and facial scanning certification. I've linked the hard data from the field of evolutionary biology and you've dismissed it without reason. You are the deluded one.

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

What a retard holy shit

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

You're a retard. It DOES disprove JBW, which is the belief that white men are the most attractive race to women universally. When the data, as explained by the professor, shows a same race bias.

You are retarded and not understanding nuance. Just be white as it applies to Whites (with same race bias) stands, as explained by the professor. Equally JBE and JBB applies with same race bias. Regardless, this is just semantics and not productive.
You need to find studies showing that ethnocentric race bias does not at all exist with whites to disprove JBW and inverse for JBB and JBE.

 

[JackSmith07]

You are retarded and not understanding nuance. Just be white as it applies to Whites (with same race bias) stands, as explained by the professor. Equally JBE and JBB applies with same race bias. Regardless, this is just semantics and not productive.
You need to find studies showing that ethnocentric race bias does not at all exist with whites to disprove JBW and inverse for JBB and JBE.

Your incoherent blabbering is astounding.

Asian American Women’s Racial Dating Preferences: An Investigation of Internalized Racism, Resistance and Empowerment against Racism, and Desire for Status - Sex Roles

Asian American women’s racialized dating choices have drawn widespread attention both in academic and public spheres. However, little empirical research has examined racially relevant sociocultural factors that may affect this population’s dating and physical attraction preferences. To further...

link.springer.com

This studies removes money and status from the equation and white men are then seen as the least desirable race of men. JBW = betabux.

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

Your incoherent blabbering is astounding.

Asian American Women’s Racial Dating Preferences: An Investigation of Internalized Racism, Resistance and Empowerment against Racism, and Desire for Status - Sex Roles

Asian American women’s racialized dating choices have drawn widespread attention both in academic and public spheres. However, little empirical research has examined racially relevant sociocultural factors that may affect this population’s dating and physical attraction preferences. To further...

link.springer.com

This studies removes money and status from the equation and white men are then seen as the least desirable race of men. JBW = betabux.

Your incoherent 'evidence' is astounding. It is merely suggestive (at best), albeit weak and contradicted by previous discussion in this thread.

1. The study is based on a sample of 207 Asian American women, which is too small to generalize findings to the broader Asian American female population. The sample is also skewed toward younger, educated women (bred on anti European and anti Western hatred in College or University where they get social points from expression such opinions).
2. Participants reported their dating preferences and internalized beliefs, which are subject to social desirability bias. They may have answered in ways that align with perceived social norms (especially if live in an environment that is ethnocentric and values ethnocentrism).
3. The study establishes associations between internalized racism, empowerment, and dating preferences but does not prove causality. Other unmeasured factors (eg family influence (strict, 1st gen v 3rd gen, personal experiences) could be responsible for these preferences.
4. The study reports that Asian American women preferred dating Asian men over White men, contradicting past studies that found a strong preference for White men (quoted in this thread). This inconsistency suggests the findings may be context-dependent or influenced by sampling biases.
5. Dating preferences are complex and influenced by multiple factors, including individual attraction, upbringing, and social circles. The study’s reliance on internalized racism and empowerment oversimplifies this multifaceted issue like the important of LOOKS, after all, you are on a looksmaxxing forum.

Let me speak to your dishonesty through a clear hypothetical: If given the option for genetic screen (polygenic risk scoring with IVF and CRISPR gene editing) would the average non white choose European features (colored eyes and hair, thin nose, whiter skin)?

Yes or no. Do not lie, lest your sentiment is inversed by God as an ironic twist of fate.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

If you actually listened to the video. He specifically mentioned how he is only unsuccessful using online dating apps, and how IRL he is successful with women.

That’s basically the rule for non whites.

As a non white myself I can tell you IRL is by far the best option for us. Dating apps is essentially “White people meet”. IRL as a non white your success will increase by 100% and the quality of girls goes much higher.

Speaking from experience here. Leave dating apps for white men

 

[JackSmith07]

Your incoherent 'evidence' is astounding. It is merely suggestive (at best), albeit weak and contradicted by previous discussion in this thread.

1. The study is based on a sample of 207 Asian American women, which is too small to generalize findings to the broader Asian American female population. The sample is also skewed toward younger, educated women (bred on anti European and anti Western hatred in College or University where they get social points from expression such opinions).
2. Participants reported their dating preferences and internalized beliefs, which are subject to social desirability bias. They may have answered in ways that align with perceived social norms (especially if live in an environment that is ethnocentric and values ethnocentrism).
3. The study establishes associations between internalized racism, empowerment, and dating preferences but does not prove causality. Other unmeasured factors (eg family influence (strict, 1st gen v 3rd gen, personal experiences) could be responsible for these preferences.
4. The study reports that Asian American women preferred dating Asian men over White men, contradicting past studies that found a strong preference for White men (quoted in this thread). This inconsistency suggests the findings may be context-dependent or influenced by sampling biases.
5. Dating preferences are complex and influenced by multiple factors, including individual attraction, upbringing, and social circles. The study’s reliance on internalized racism and empowerment oversimplifies this multifaceted issue like the important of LOOKS, after all, you are on a looksmaxxing forum.

Let me speak to your dishonesty through a clear hypothetical: If given the option for genetic screen (polygenic risk scoring with IVF and CRISPR gene editing) would the average non white choose European features (colored eyes and hair, thin nose, whiter skin)?

Yes or no. Do not lie, lest your sentiment is inversed by God as an ironic twist of fate.

Your incoherent 'evidence' is astounding. It is merely suggestive (at best), albeit weak and contradicted by previous discussion in this thread.

1. The study is based on a sample of 207 Asian American women, which is too small to generalize findings to the broader Asian American female population. The sample is also skewed toward younger, educated women (bred on anti European and anti Western hatred in College or University where they get social points from expression such opinions).
2. Participants reported their dating preferences and internalized beliefs, which are subject to social desirability bias. They may have answered in ways that align with perceived social norms (especially if live in an environment that is ethnocentric and values ethnocentrism).
3. The study establishes associations between internalized racism, empowerment, and dating preferences but does not prove causality. Other unmeasured factors (eg family influence (strict, 1st gen v 3rd gen, personal experiences) could be responsible for these preferences.
4. The study reports that Asian American women preferred dating Asian men over White men, contradicting past studies that found a strong preference for White men (quoted in this thread). This inconsistency suggests the findings may be context-dependent or influenced by sampling biases.
5. Dating preferences are complex and influenced by multiple factors, including individual attraction, upbringing, and social circles. The study’s reliance on internalized racism and empowerment oversimplifies this multifaceted issue like the important of LOOKS, after all, you are on a looksmaxxing forum.

Let me speak to your dishonesty through a clear hypothetical: If given the option for genetic screen (polygenic risk scoring with IVF and CRISPR gene editing) would the average non white choose European features (colored eyes and hair, thin nose, whiter skin)?

Yes or no. Do not lie, lest your sentiment is inversed by God as an ironic twist of fate.

The whole premises which you've failed to grasp is to rule out socio-economic status from Asian females mate selection. When ruled out, white men's desirability drops like a stone. It also shows Asian women's independent rating of white, black and Asian men. Asian men are rated as the most attractive and white men are the least physically attractive.

I think it's painfully clear that most people prefer their own race in mate selection.

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

The whole premises which you've failed to grasp is to rule out socio-economic status from Asian females mate selection. When ruled out, white men's desirability drops like a stone. It also shows Asian women's independent rating of white, black and Asian men. Asian men are rated as the most attractive and white men are the least physically attractive.

I think it's painfully clear that most people prefer their own race in mate selection.
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The whole premises which you've failed to grasp is the tiny sample size, social factors (anti Western propaganda during University) and the factors which I addressed above.

Also, why ignore my comment at the bottom? I will restate it.

If given the option for genetic screen (polygenic risk scoring with IVF and CRISPR gene editing) would the average non white choose European features (colored eyes and hair, thin nose, whiter skin)?

I think it's painfully clear that most people prefer their own race in mate selection.

Tbh, on the whole I agree with this, especially in multi cultural countries. However, in ethnocentric countries there are minorities of the homogenous majority demographic who are attracted to the outgroup as a survival adaption (they want to hedge their genetic bet on the outgroup winning) eg WMAF in Asian and Black countries, BMWF in European countries, AMWF in Eastern Europe.

 

[Magnus Ironblood]

That’s basically the rule for non whites.

As a non white myself I can tell you IRL is by far the best option for us. Dating apps is essentially “White people meet”. IRL as a non white your success will increase by 100% and the quality of girls goes much higher.

Speaking from experience here. Leave dating apps for white men

The OP and guy you replied to is ethnically Chinese btw.

He's an asian guy but works in UK.

He also has accounts on Geomax.me and NEETs. He's severely autistic and is obsessed with jbw.

 

[Chadeep]

This is already known by many. Idk why retsrds here can't accept that. Especially with Tinder Passport many Chads slay in Thailand Vietnam during Vacations. Gone are the days of Incel or 40 year bald old guy getting young pussy.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The OP and guy you replied to is ethnically Chinese btw.

He's an asian guy but works in UK.

He also has accounts on Geomax.me and NEETs. He's severely autistic and is obsessed with jbw.

Why is he in NEETs. If he works? I should prob be there for that lol. Is he obsessed with JBW?

Very cringe but if I was a chink I’d also need to cope against this shit lol

 

[Magnus Ironblood]

Why is he in NEETs. If he works? I should prob be there for that lol. Is he obsessed with JBW?

Very cringe but if I was a chink I’d also need to cope against this shit lol

I think he's on most of the Blackpill sites.

He's possibly the most autistic guy within the blackpillosphere.

All he posts about is JBW.

It's like a fetish for his broken brain. Really sad.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I think he's on most of the Blackpill sites.

He's possibly the most autistic guy within the blackpillosphere.

All he posts about is JBW.

It's like a fetish for his broken brain. Really sad.

Autism makes you obsessed with shit

I myself have it and I don’t wish it on anybody ded srs autism is one of the most crippling illnesses a human can have

Idiots here say it’s about MUH LOOKZ

But autism is arguably more Brutal than looks tbh or on the same level. An non chad autistic man is on the same smv level as an 3/10 male

 

[Mosh12]

Autism makes you obsessed with shit

I myself have it and I don’t wish it on anybody ded srs autism is one of the most crippling illnesses a human can have

@Johanjohan

 

[JackSmith07]

The whole premises which you've failed to grasp is the tiny sample size, social factors (anti Western propaganda during University) and the factors which I addressed above.

207 is above the minimum 100 sample size. To criticise this factor shows that you are an idiot to say the least. The 'facts' you've listed are debunked as being major factors when we look at what ethnic populations make up the bulk of the asian American population and how varying Asian Asian ethnicities are more genetically inclined to date out than others due to evolutionary change. Filipinos and Chinese Americans who aren't top tier asians by asian standards, make up half of the population and spew the intermarriage rate. Whereas, Korean, Japanese and to a lesser degree, the Vietnamese Americans are FAR less likely to date outside of their race.

If given the option for genetic screen (polygenic risk scoring with IVF and CRISPR gene editing) would the average non white choose European features (colored eyes and hair, thin nose, whiter skin)?

I have already proven that most non whites will prefer their own race.

However, in ethnocentric countries there are minorities of the homogenous majority demographic who are attracted to the outgroup as a survival adaption (they want to hedge their genetic bet on the outgroup winning) eg WMAF in Asian and Black countries, BMWF in European countries, AMWF in Eastern Europe.

Yeah, a minority of people.