Can any religious people help me turn to god

[danny1234567]

life time atheist, someone change my views

 

[Deleted member 91330]

Delete your expectations. God can be found by being honest at the deepest level with yourself. God is always accessible. God is truth.

 

[oily703]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[aleex]

Watch Cliffe on youtube. Hes great and honestly even if it sounds cringe and stupid as shit tiktok has some great creators that helped me belive in God more. https://www.tiktok.com/@brooksphillips for example and many others

 

[vrilmaxxer]

life time atheist, someone change my views

mirin the change, hope for your success

 

[aleex]

There is no one argoument that is gonna make you belive if youre a life time atheist, youll need to dig into it and possibly without asking an incel forum

 

[mog_me]

I believe matter creating itself is illogical, which causes me to believe in an uncreated creator. I believe that Jesus Christ is God for many reasons, eye witnesses being high on the list. I am a Catholic because It was the first church, and the only church founded by Jesus Christ. The one Holy, Apostolic church.

 

[danny1234567]

I believe matter creating itself is illogical, which causes me to believe in an uncreated creator. I believe that Jesus Christ is God for many reasons, eye witnesses being high on the list. I am a Catholic because It was the first church, and the only church founded by Jesus Christ. The one Holy, Apostolic church.

you see, all of these different denominations have never made sense to me. catholic seems the most reasonable though.

 

[danny1234567]

Delete your expectations. God can be found by being honest at the deepest level with yourself. God is always accessible. God is truth.

i don’t get it

 

[vrilmaxxer]

you see, all of these different denominations have never made sense to me. catholic seems the most reasonable though.

why not orthodoxy

 

[danny1234567]

mirin the change, hope for your success

thanks bro, just going through a lot and i feel like god is trying to get to me

 

[Deleted member 119452]

religioncel cope smh, ROPE NOW

 

[danny1234567]

why not orthodoxy

enlighten me

 

[danny1234567]

There is no one argoument that is gonna make you belive if youre a life time atheist, youll need to dig into it and possibly without asking an incel forum

how can i dig into it

 

[danny1234567]

religioncel cope smh, ROPE NOW

but i’m not a religioncel

 

[Wexilarious]

Check what natal chart is

 

[Deleted member 73288]

Nope and start escortmaxxxxing cause this whole word is fake

 

[Deleted member 91330]

i don’t get it

sit down and do nothing. like meditation. sit with yourself and dont worry about what thoughts you have. just sit with yourself and allow your psyche to relax, and at some point you will eventually become comfortable with recognizing the intuition that God exists.

 

[danny1234567]

Nope and start escortmaxxxxing cause this whole word is fake

what’s escort maxxing brah

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

im god irl im revealing to .org to save from sin

 

[danny1234567]

Check what natal chart is

i don’t understand

 

[danny1234567]

im god irl im revealing to .org to save from sin

oh hey god

 

[aleex]

im god irl im revealing to .org to save from sin

HOW is this shit funny bro KILL YOURSELF

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

HOW is this shit funny bro KILL YOURSELF

im already killing myself by metabolism

 

[mog_me]

you see, all of these different denominations have never made sense to me. catholic seems the most reasonable though.

I understand your confusion. It took me a good amount of research, as I was a Protestant a year ago. I highly recommend you watch “why the Protestant reformation was worse than you thought” by pax tube on yt. Once you have just a surface level on church history, or history in general, it becomes abundantly clear that the Protestant reformation was a disaster for society.

 

[vevcred]

I hope that you get what you are seeking for

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

life time atheist, someone change my views

The transcendental argument for god

You haven’t really asked for a thing to refute so hmm here you go?

1. Premise: The Intelligibility of Reality
- Human experience, reasoning, and communication depend on the intelligibility of reality. We can think, reason, and make sense of the world because reality is orderly, logical, and meaningful.
- For example, the laws of logic (e.g., the law of non-contradiction) are universal, immaterial, and necessary for rational thought.

2. Premise: The Necessity of a Transcendent Ground
- The intelligibility of reality cannot be explained by material or contingent causes alone. Materialism, which claims that only matter exists, cannot account for why reality is orderly, logical, or meaningful.
- A transcendent ground—a necessary, eternal, and personal God—is required to explain the existence of universal laws, moral truths, and the coherence of human experience.

3. Conclusion: God as the Necessary Precondition
- The Christian God, as revealed in Orthodox theology, is the necessary precondition for the intelligibility of reality. God’s nature as the eternal Logos (Word) provides the rational foundation for logic, morality, and knowledge.
- In Orthodox Christianity, the Logos (Christ) is the source of all order and meaning in creation (John 1:1-3). The universe is not a random collection of particles but a creation imbued with divine reason and purpose.

---

### Why Materialism Fails to Account for Fundamental Aspects of Reality

Materialism, the belief that only matter exists and that all phenomena can be explained by physical processes, cannot adequately explain key aspects of reality:

---

#### 1. The Laws of Logic
- Materialist Problem: The laws of logic (e.g., the law of non-contradiction) are immaterial, universal, and unchanging. Materialism cannot explain how such abstract, non-physical principles arise from or govern physical matter.
- Orthodox Response: The laws of logic reflect the rational nature of God. They are grounded in the divine Logos, who is the source of all reason and order.

---

#### 2. Objective Moral Truths
- Materialist Problem: Materialism cannot account for objective moral truths (e.g., "murder is wrong"). If morality is merely a product of evolutionary processes or social conditioning, it is subjective and contingent, not universal or binding.
- Orthodox Response: Objective moral truths reflect the moral nature of God. The existence of good and evil points to a transcendent moral lawgiver, who is the source of all justice and righteousness.

---

#### 3. Consciousness and Rational Thought
- Materialist Problem: Materialism struggles to explain the existence of consciousness and rational thought. If the mind is merely the product of physical processes in the brain, how can it produce abstract reasoning, self-awareness, and intentionality?
- Orthodox Response: The human mind reflects the image of God (imago Dei). Our capacity for rational thought and self-awareness points to a transcendent source of personhood and intelligence.

---

#### 4. The Uniformity of Nature
- Materialist Problem: Materialism cannot explain why nature operates according to uniform laws (e.g., the laws of physics). If the universe is a random collection of particles, why should it exhibit consistent, predictable behavior?
- Orthodox Response: The uniformity of nature reflects the wisdom and providence of God. The universe is not a chaotic accident but a creation ordered by the divine Logos.

---

#### 5. The Problem of Induction
- Materialist Problem: Induction (the process of reasoning from specific observations to general principles) relies on the assumption that the future will resemble the past. Materialism cannot justify this assumption, as it provides no basis for believing in the regularity of nature.
- Orthodox Response: The reliability of induction is grounded in the faithfulness and constancy of God. Because God upholds the universe in an orderly and consistent way, we can trust that the future will resemble the past.

---

#### 6. Meaning and Purpose
- Materialist Problem: Materialism cannot provide an objective basis for meaning or purpose. If the universe is the product of random chance, life has no inherent meaning, and human aspirations are ultimately futile.
- Orthodox Response: Meaning and purpose are grounded in God’s creation and redemption of the world. Human life has intrinsic value because we are created in God’s image and called to participate in His divine purposes.

---

### How TAG Undermines Materialism

The Transcendental Argument for God demonstrates that materialism is self-defeating because it cannot account for the very tools it uses to make its case (e.g., logic, reason, morality). Materialism presupposes the intelligibility of reality, yet it cannot explain why reality is intelligible. In contrast, Orthodox Christianity provides a coherent and comprehensive worldview that explains the existence of logic, morality, consciousness, and meaning by grounding them in the nature of God.

---

### Conclusion

From an Orthodox Christian perspective, the Transcendental Argument for God shows that materialism is fundamentally inadequate as a worldview. It fails to account for the most basic aspects of reality, such as logic, morality, and consciousness, which are necessary for human experience and reasoning. In contrast, the Christian God—as the eternal Logos and source of all order, meaning, and truth—provides the necessary foundation for the intelligibility of reality. TAG thus serves as a powerful argument for the existence of God and the inadequacy of materialism.


TLDR: From an Orthodox Christian perspective, the Transcendental Argument for God shows that materialism is fundamentally inadequate as a worldview. It fails to account for the most basic aspects of reality, such as logic, morality, and consciousness, which are necessary for human experience and reasoning. In contrast, the Christian God—as the eternal Logos and source of all order, meaning, and truth—provides the necessary foundation for the intelligibility of reality. TAG thus serves as a powerful argument for the existence of God and the inadequacy of materialism.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

life time atheist, someone change my views

The universe needs a necessary existence and did not come from nothing, therefore god must be real. God is also one. So Christianity is false. Believe in one god. U should read the Quran

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Never ask for advice from religious people on this matter. All religions are nonsense on stuff impossible to know

A god may exist, it may not. Just live, and be spiritual if u choose to believe in a god

Or maybe you view nature as god

 

[iwannabeloved2]

The transcendental argument for god

You haven’t really asked for a thing to refute so hmm here you go?

1. Premise: The Intelligibility of Reality
- Human experience, reasoning, and communication depend on the intelligibility of reality. We can think, reason, and make sense of the world because reality is orderly, logical, and meaningful.
- For example, the laws of logic (e.g., the law of non-contradiction) are universal, immaterial, and necessary for rational thought.

2. Premise: The Necessity of a Transcendent Ground
- The intelligibility of reality cannot be explained by material or contingent causes alone. Materialism, which claims that only matter exists, cannot account for why reality is orderly, logical, or meaningful.
- A transcendent ground—a necessary, eternal, and personal God—is required to explain the existence of universal laws, moral truths, and the coherence of human experience.

3. Conclusion: God as the Necessary Precondition
- The Christian God, as revealed in Orthodox theology, is the necessary precondition for the intelligibility of reality. God’s nature as the eternal Logos (Word) provides the rational foundation for logic, morality, and knowledge.
- In Orthodox Christianity, the Logos (Christ) is the source of all order and meaning in creation (John 1:1-3). The universe is not a random collection of particles but a creation imbued with divine reason and purpose.

---

### Why Materialism Fails to Account for Fundamental Aspects of Reality

Materialism, the belief that only matter exists and that all phenomena can be explained by physical processes, cannot adequately explain key aspects of reality:

---

#### 1. The Laws of Logic
- Materialist Problem: The laws of logic (e.g., the law of non-contradiction) are immaterial, universal, and unchanging. Materialism cannot explain how such abstract, non-physical principles arise from or govern physical matter.
- Orthodox Response: The laws of logic reflect the rational nature of God. They are grounded in the divine Logos, who is the source of all reason and order.

---

#### 2. Objective Moral Truths
- Materialist Problem: Materialism cannot account for objective moral truths (e.g., "murder is wrong"). If morality is merely a product of evolutionary processes or social conditioning, it is subjective and contingent, not universal or binding.
- Orthodox Response: Objective moral truths reflect the moral nature of God. The existence of good and evil points to a transcendent moral lawgiver, who is the source of all justice and righteousness.

---

#### 3. Consciousness and Rational Thought
- Materialist Problem: Materialism struggles to explain the existence of consciousness and rational thought. If the mind is merely the product of physical processes in the brain, how can it produce abstract reasoning, self-awareness, and intentionality?
- Orthodox Response: The human mind reflects the image of God (imago Dei). Our capacity for rational thought and self-awareness points to a transcendent source of personhood and intelligence.

---

#### 4. The Uniformity of Nature
- Materialist Problem: Materialism cannot explain why nature operates according to uniform laws (e.g., the laws of physics). If the universe is a random collection of particles, why should it exhibit consistent, predictable behavior?
- Orthodox Response: The uniformity of nature reflects the wisdom and providence of God. The universe is not a chaotic accident but a creation ordered by the divine Logos.

---

#### 5. The Problem of Induction
- Materialist Problem: Induction (the process of reasoning from specific observations to general principles) relies on the assumption that the future will resemble the past. Materialism cannot justify this assumption, as it provides no basis for believing in the regularity of nature.
- Orthodox Response: The reliability of induction is grounded in the faithfulness and constancy of God. Because God upholds the universe in an orderly and consistent way, we can trust that the future will resemble the past.

---

#### 6. Meaning and Purpose
- Materialist Problem: Materialism cannot provide an objective basis for meaning or purpose. If the universe is the product of random chance, life has no inherent meaning, and human aspirations are ultimately futile.
- Orthodox Response: Meaning and purpose are grounded in God’s creation and redemption of the world. Human life has intrinsic value because we are created in God’s image and called to participate in His divine purposes.

---

### How TAG Undermines Materialism

The Transcendental Argument for God demonstrates that materialism is self-defeating because it cannot account for the very tools it uses to make its case (e.g., logic, reason, morality). Materialism presupposes the intelligibility of reality, yet it cannot explain why reality is intelligible. In contrast, Orthodox Christianity provides a coherent and comprehensive worldview that explains the existence of logic, morality, consciousness, and meaning by grounding them in the nature of God.

---

### Conclusion

From an Orthodox Christian perspective, the Transcendental Argument for God shows that materialism is fundamentally inadequate as a worldview. It fails to account for the most basic aspects of reality, such as logic, morality, and consciousness, which are necessary for human experience and reasoning. In contrast, the Christian God—as the eternal Logos and source of all order, meaning, and truth—provides the necessary foundation for the intelligibility of reality. TAG thus serves as a powerful argument for the existence of God and the inadequacy of materialism.


TLDR: From an Orthodox Christian perspective, the Transcendental Argument for God shows that materialism is fundamentally inadequate as a worldview. It fails to account for the most basic aspects of reality, such as logic, morality, and consciousness, which are necessary for human experience and reasoning. In contrast, the Christian God—as the eternal Logos and source of all order, meaning, and truth—provides the necessary foundation for the intelligibility of reality. TAG thus serves as a powerful argument for the existence of God and the inadequacy of materialism.

dnr + looks ai + EO theology is cooked and trinity leads to absurdism and don't get me started on EED

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

dnr + looks ai + EO theology is cooked and trinity leads to absurdism and don't get me started on EED

Never seen such a load of shit in one message such that I am dumbfounded and have no idea at to even reply. So all I can say to you is go to your local psychiatrist and please get help

Nogga didnf even give an argument other than “MUH BBC” tier shit

 

[iwannabeloved2]

Never seen such a load of shit in one message such that I am dumbfounded and have no idea at to even reply. So all I can say to you is go to your local psychiatrist and please get help

Nogga didnf even give an argument other than “MUH BBC” tier shit

Present an formal argument for Trinity

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Present an formal argument for Trinity

I’m busy so watch this in the meantime

The trinity is the only logical way to account for everything coherently

 

[iwannabeloved2]

Jay dyer is low iq + that dumbah theology is outdated


Come to salafi islam

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Jay dyer is low iq + that dumbah theology is outdated


Come to salafi islam

Debunk it or forever hold your peace with your unknowable gay Allah god which you cannot even know if you follow Islamic it’s logical conclusion

Allah is unlike anything in creation and yet you attribute created things to him as analogues which is absurd but this is Pisslam no surprise

 

[iwannabeloved2]

Debunk it or forever hold your peace with your unknowable gay Allah god which you cannot even know if you follow Islamic it’s logical conclusion

Allah is unlike anything in creation and yet you attribute created things to him as analogues which is absurd but this is Pisslam no surprise

ad hom + Lpt + establish how idk my god + Yes my lord has uncreated attributes and yes my god exists unlike urs and hes on a throne outside the world

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

ad hom + Lpt + establish how idk my god + Yes my lord has uncreated attributes and yes my god exists unlike urs and hes on a throne outside the world

How do you know Allahs attributes or Allah if he is completely dissimilar to creation in every say and doesn’t condescend himself to it

Stupid pathetic theology made for primary school kids. Even Protestantism seems high IQ compared to Islam

Your gay Allah demon god has 2 right arms multiple eyes and a blouse and a shin. This is your faggot religion what is a shin that’s not like a shin ? Lmfao @ pisslamb

 

[iwannabeloved2]

How do you know Allahs attributes or Allah if he is completely dissimilar to creation in every say and doesn’t condescend himself to it

Stupid pathetic theology made for primary school kids. Even Protestantism seems high IQ compared to Islam

Protestanism is more high iq than papists and eos so pipe down

secondly if I say god has a hand doesn't mean im making god similar to his creation

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Protestanism is more high iq than papists and eos so pipe down

secondly if I say god has a hand doesn't mean im making god similar to his creation

Ofc the braindead salafi with his multi armed monstrosity Aldrich god would say this

Bruv your fucking god is an lovecraftian monster even other Muslim schools bully Salafi Keep saying Allah is unlike anything in creation meanwhile you attribute created things to his attributes you cuck

Your god can’t even evade the problem of the one and the many because he’s illogical deity that softmore philosophers can debunk

If your god has a body as Salafi retardism states then your god is in space for a body part occupies space meaning Allah isn’t the creator which leans into the apologist meme of Allah praying for Mohammed being true because Allah has a god

 

[iwannabeloved2]

Ofc the braindead salafi with his multi armed monstrosity Aldrich god would say this

Bruv your fucking god is an lovecraftian monster even other Muslim schools bully Salafi Keep saying Allah is unlike anything in creation meanwhile you attribute created things to his attributes you cuck

Your god can’t even evade the problem of the one and the many because he’s illogical deity that softmore philosophers can debunk

If your god has a body as Salafi retardism states then your god is in space for a body part occupies space meaning Allah isn’t the creator which leans into the apologist meme of Allah praying for Mohammed being true because Allah has a god

I believe god is a body ( wtv u mean by body) + all the other schools are false main stream belief is salafism and we are the inheritors of logic and philosophy

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I believe god is a body ( wtv u mean by body) + all the other schools are false main stream belief is salafism and we are the inheritors of logic and philosophy

Logic

God is unlike anything in creation yet we (created things) know him . contradiction 101

Logical

Allah created everything and is unlike creation yet his attributes are analogous to created things, he also has body parts like created things and thefore he occupies space for bodies need to inhabit space

AND YET NOTHING LIKE ALLAH.

Yeah



HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR REDICULOUS UNKNOWABLE GOD AND HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR “THE PROBLEM OF THE ONE AND MANY”.

Answer is you cannot because Islam is retarded

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Pisslam nigga tried to face me and again the jihadi fell victim to Jesus Christ the risen Lord @PsychoH @vrilmaxxer
I raped him to the glory of Jesus Christ Amen

 

[iwannabeloved2]

Pisslam nigga tried to face me and again the jihadi fell victim to Jesus Christ the risen Lord @PsychoH @vrilmaxxer
I raped him to the glory of Jesus Christ Amen

eos always have been in an echo chamber repeating the same bs I was busy with important stuff kiddo lemme reply to ur msg

 

[iwannabeloved2]

Logic

God is unlike anything in creation yet we (created things) know him . contradiction 101

Logical

Allah created everything and is unlike creation yet his attributes are analogous to created things, he also has body parts like created things and thefore he occupies space for bodies need to inhabit space

AND YET NOTHING LIKE ALLAH.

Yeah



HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR REDICULOUS UNKNOWABLE GOD AND HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR “THE PROBLEM OF THE ONE AND MANY”.

Answer is you cannot because Islam is retarded

Whats the p and not p + define parts + how is affirming a body wtv that means problematic your theology is outdated


syllogise the argument for the problem of the one and many and I'll answer

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Whats the p and not p + define parts + how is affirming a body wtv that means problematic your theology is outdated


syllogise the argument for the problem of the one and many and I'll answer

wtf you on about what the p and p bruh your theology is fucking spunk speak English you stupid Salafi Mohammeden I know following a pedophile does this to you but speak English you Erdrich monstrosity worshipper


The problem of the One and the Many is a classic philosophical issue that asks how unity and multiplicity can coexist—how diverse entities can be part of a unified whole without losing their distinct identities.



Creation as an Arbitrary Act: Since Allah is wholly distinct from creation and has no internal relationality, the existence of multiplicity appears arbitrary. There is no clear metaphysical reason why unity should give rise to diversity. There is also no way for you to know him for he doesn’t condescend himself to be known by the created order this is why Islam is impossible and if you take the opinion that it is known then you end up with an issue of distinctions in Allah which then mean YOUR CRITIQUE IF THR TRINITY FALLS FLAT AS YOUR GOD HAS RHE SAME ISSUE MAKING YOU A HYPOCRITE



Eastern Orthodox Trinitarianism provides a coherent answer to the problem of the One and the Many by affirming that unity and multiplicity are equally ultimate in God’s very being. In contrast, Islamic monotheism, by insisting on absolute unity, struggles to account for the presence of diversity without reducing it to an arbitrary act of divine will. This makes the Trinity not only a theological doctrine but also a necessary metaphysical truth for understanding reality itself.

Since God is the ultimate source of all things, the created world reflects this balance between unity and diversity. In Orthodox thought, creation is neither an undifferentiated monad nor chaotic multiplicity, but a structured, harmonious reality modeled after divine communion. So you have 0 way to explain and locate the grounding of particulars of this world in to the higher realm (god mind) once again Mohammed you have ni justice tin and basis to even say you know your god as it’s all based on natural theology which in of itself is flawed as you have to now relate particulars in our world to the higher realm of God to state his agency in creation

Huge L for sandniggers

 

[iwannabeloved2]

wtf you on about what the p and p bruh your theology is fucking spunk speak English you stupid Salafi Mohammeden I know following a pedophile does this to you but speak English you Erdrich monstrosity worshipper


The problem of the One and the Many is a classic philosophical issue that asks how unity and multiplicity can coexist—how diverse entities can be part of a unified whole without losing their distinct identities.



Creation as an Arbitrary Act: Since Allah is wholly distinct from creation and has no internal relationality, the existence of multiplicity appears arbitrary. There is no clear metaphysical reason why unity should give rise to diversity. There is also no way for you to know him for he doesn’t condescend himself to be known by the created order this is why Islam is impossible and if you take the opinion that it is known then you end up with an issue of distinctions in Allah which then mean YOUR CRITIQUE IF THR TRINITY FALLS FLAT AS YOUR GOD HAS RHE SAME ISSUE MAKING YOU A HYPOCRITE



Eastern Orthodox Trinitarianism provides a coherent answer to the problem of the One and the Many by affirming that unity and multiplicity are equally ultimate in God’s very being. In contrast, Islamic monotheism, by insisting on absolute unity, struggles to account for the presence of diversity without reducing it to an arbitrary act of divine will. This makes the Trinity not only a theological doctrine but also a necessary metaphysical truth for understanding reality itself.

Since God is the ultimate source of all things, the created world reflects this balance between unity and diversity. In Orthodox thought, creation is neither an undifferentiated monad nor chaotic multiplicity, but a structured, harmonious reality modeled after divine communion. So you have 0 way to explain and locate the grounding of particulars of this world in to the higher realm (god mind) once again Mohammed you have ni justice tin and basis to even say you know your god as it’s all based on natural theology which in of itself is flawed as you have to now relate particulars in our world to the higher realm of God to state his agency in creation

Huge L for sandniggers

You sure have a potty mouth eo cuck but anyway. p and not p is what a contradiction as u said my theology is a contradiction I asked where does my theology affirm and negate a proposition at the same time

the argument of one and many is just ass stupid unnecessary jargonn XD

>There is also no way for you to know him for he doesn’t condescend himself to be known by the created order this is why Islam is impossible and if you take the opinion that it is known then you end

Either god be human or u dk him lolll wtf is this shit


LPTmaxx

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You sure have a potty mouth eo cuck but anyway. p and not p is what a contradiction as u said my theology is a contradiction I asked where does my theology affirm and negate a proposition at the same time

the argument of one and many is just ass stupid unnecessary jargonn XD

>There is also no way for you to know him for he doesn’t condescend himself to be known by the created order this is why Islam is impossible and if you take the opinion that it is known then you end

Either god be human or u dk him lolll wtf is this shit


LPTmaxx

LPT is built on straw. Until you can prove that there isn’t 2 ways of counting such as identity and division and first order imposition and 2nd order imposition then your shit outta luck. Ironically Jay dyer bullied Jake the Mohammeden dick physician on modern day debate demonstrating my point. LPT has been refuted sit down ALLLAHAAAUUUAUA ACKUUUUBARRRRRRUUUUUUUUU boy


I never said god has to be human to know him…. Is this what Islam does to your brain? I said your god claims to be completely divorced from the created order and yet you believe in Islamic occasinalism which requires him to have a similitude to effect The created order, your Arab cult states using Islamic Tanzih that Allah never condescends himself to the created order which means the QURAN itself cannot be his word (Allahs word cannot be separated from him eternal Quran tablet) for his word cannot be in the created order because for you to even understand as everything you understand is based the created order/effects

Because of this Islam is by default self refuting with its own metaphysical claims because you literally cannot know Allah even the word “Allah” is an descriptor an icon, image of your Gods name a reference to him which once again IS IMPOSSIBLE DUE TO YOUR RETARDED CULTS METAPHYSICS. It’s really simple

Nowhere did I say god has to become human to be known god has been known all throughout the Old Testament via Theophanies via his divine word which comes into space time and interacts with the prophets.

Your stupid religion doesn't even realise this, so everything you say about Allah is “Blah blah blah blablabla” because it doesn’t reference him in anyway and is thus meaningless.


Now Mohammed’s cumstain cleaner like Aisha, sit the fuck down

 

[iwannabeloved2]

LPT is built on straw. Until you can prove that there isn’t 2 ways of counting such as identity and division and first order imposition and 2nd order imposition then your shit outta luck. Ironically Jay dyer bullied Jake the Mohammeden dick physician on modern day debate demonstrating my point. LPT has been refuted sit down ALLLAHAAAUUUAUA ACKUUUUBARRRRRRUUUUUUUUU boy


I never said god has to be human to know him…. Is this what Islam does to your brain? I said your god claims to be completely divorced from the created order and yet you believe in Islamic occasinalism which requires him to have a similitude to effect The created order, your Arab cult states using Islamic Tanzih that Allah never condescends himself to the created order which means the QURAN itself cannot be his word (Allahs word cannot be separated from him eternal Quran tablet) for his word cannot be in the created order because for you to even understand as everything you understand is based the created order/effects

Because of this Islam is by default self refuting with its own metaphysical claims because you literally cannot know Allah even the word “Allah” is an descriptor an icon, image of your Gods name a reference to him which once again IS IMPOSSIBLE DUE TO YOUR RETARDED CULTS METAPHYSICS. It’s really simple

Nowhere did I say god has to become human to be known god has been known all throughout the Old Testament via Theophanies via his divine word which comes into space time and interacts with the prophets.

Your stupid religion doesn't even realise this, so everything you say about Allah is “Blah blah blah blablabla” because it doesn’t reference him in anyway and is thus meaningless.


Now Mohammed’s cumstain cleaner like Aisha, sit the fuck down

you reject classical logic pipe down + we don't have a mutazilite approach of tanzih ur strawmanning Islam eo cuck + god interacts with space & time using his uncreated speech


eo cuck ur muzzled in an echo chamber