Can anyone explain why High PFL is considered attractive?

[Vidyacoper]

Recently I've been thinking, and I think it's because it's a health signal
High PFL = sign you've developed well/have good genetics
Reason I thought of this is because short PFL is a common trait in patients of a lot of different genetic/birth defects, such as fetal alcohol syndrome and williams syndrome

But I also remember reading a study someone linked here about how high PFL/a long medial canthus is related to the cranial base's development, I think it was forward growth of orbital area or something

Does anyone have a clear answer?

 

[Vidyacoper]

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[retard]

high PFL = wide orbitals
wide orbitals = wide maxilla
wide maxilla = proper development

 

[Vidyacoper]

PFL and philtrum are more important than ratios, bones, and eye areas

based, high pfl alone can save your WHOLE eye area, short philtrum is probably the MOST important feature for harmony

 

[Vidyacoper]

Yes tbh I would argue nothing else matters at all for face

say sike rn

 

[Jaime lannister.]

Recently I've been thinking, and I think it's because it's a health signal
High PFL = sign you've developed well/have good genetics
Reason I thought of this is because short PFL is a common trait in patients of a lot of different genetic/birth defects, such as fetal alcohol syndrome and williams syndrome
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But I also remember reading a study someone linked here about how high PFL/a long medial canthus is related to the cranial base's development, I think it was forward growth of orbital area or something

Does anyone have a clear answer?

Just have good zygos theory.

 

[Aesthetics_III]

It’s just is.

 

[Vidyacoper]

It’s just is.

no such thing, everything is with reason, EVERYTHIINNGGGG

 

[Deleted member 6310]

I still don’t fully get the look. Can someone post examples of short pfl on men and women? Google comes up with nothing

 

[Vidyacoper]

I still don’t fully get the look. Can someone post examples of short pfl on men and women? Google comes up with nothing

@thecel sorry bro i hope you dont take insult if you see this, i tagged you at the same time so you dont just stumble on it accidentally
only person i could think of with low pfl

 

[Aesthetics_III]

no such thing, everything is with reason, EVERYTHIINNGGGG

Not really. Why are narrow PCT headlights better than round big ones

Why is a sharp sword more aesthetic than a blunt club?

You could argue that are evolutionary reasons why our brains find those things aesthetic, but who cares?

 

[Vidyacoper]

Not really. Why are narrow PCT headlights better than round big ones

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Why is a sharp sword more aesthetic than a blunt club?


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You could argue that are evolutionary reasons why our brains find those things aesthetic, but who cares?

cars are designed with inspiration from nature to look as good as possible (talking about sports cars)
the narrow headlights probably has same look as wide set eyes, compared to the virgin narrow set 50s automobile incel headlights
same reason that the same car's headlights used as first example is vertically narrow, sharp corners/shape, and is posiively tilted

also those headlights have around same horizontal length/width as the round headlights used as other example, but what makes it look better is the height to width ratio, which make it vertically narrow and hunter like

as for the sword vs club, simple, color contrast theory and sharpness theory (refer to my title under my username)
keep coping

 

[Aesthetics_III]

cars are designed with inspiration from nature to look as good as possible (talking about sports cars)
the narrow headlights probably has same look as wide set eyes, compared to the virgin narrow set 50s automobile incel headlights
same reason that the same car's headlights used as first example is vertically narrow, sharp corners/shape, and is posiively tilted

also those headlights have around same horizontal length/width as the round headlights used as other example, but what makes it look better is the height to width ratio, which make it vertically narrow and hunter like

as for the sword vs club, simple, color contrast theory and sharpness theory (refer to my title under my username)
keep coping

Yeah, I’m aware. But what purpose do those things serve, why would we find sharpness aesthetic? We just do, who cares what the evolutionary reason is

 

[Vidyacoper]

Yeah, I’m aware. But what purpose do those things serve, why would we find sharpness aesthetic? We just do, who cares what the evolutionary reason is

yeah you could say we just do, but theres also a reason
i just want to know the reason for the pfl thing so i can understand more
its just interesting tbh, understanding not just how everything aesthetics wise is objective, but also the deeper reasoning behind it biologically
like how full lips are considered attractive because as you age you lose a lot of volume in them making it a youth signal
or how large/dimorphic cheekbones are attractive because theyre a sexual maturity display because they grow during puberty

 

[Aesthetics_III]

yeah you could say we just do, but theres also a reason
i just want to know the reason for the pfl thing so i can understand more
its just interesting tbh, understanding not just how everything aesthetics wise is objective, but also the deeper reasoning behind it biologically
like how full lips are considered attractive because as you age you lose a lot of volume in them making it a youth signal
or how large/dimorphic cheekbones are attractive because theyre a sexual maturity display because they grow during puberty

fair enough

 

[g00lian]

because a decent portion of the population evolved with wide palebral fissures and to be the exception signifies genetic mutation. features that are too far above or below average aren't usually desirable for this reason.

 

[Vidyacoper]

because a decent portion of the population evolved with wide palebral fissures and to be the exception signifies genetic mutation. features that are too far above or below average aren't usually desirable for this reason.

that could be one reason tbh, but at the same time anime characters drawn with literally unattainable tier pfl have the most attractive eye areas
it seems the higher the pfl the better, as long as your medial canthus doesnt look freakish tier (like andreas eriksen for example)

for example this girl has very high pfl, i dont find it unattractive, the opposite actually, i find it really hot, maybe just because of psl autism and since i view that feature very highly

 

[g00lian]

that could be one reason tbh, but at the same time anime characters drawn with literally unattainable tier pfl have the most attractive eye areas
it seems the higher the pfl the better, as long as your medial canthus doesnt look freakish tier (like andreas eriksen for example)

for example this girl has very high pfl, i dont find it unattractive, the opposite actually, i find it really hot, maybe just because of psl autism and since i view that feature very highly

Hers look relatively normal, probably on the above-average side. Tbh, not sure what mutation-tier, horizontal width of the eyes would look like, I don't think it's too common. If I had to guess, it probably exceeds normal range when the eye area's size all around is too big. So vertically tall and horizontally wide, giving that almost bug-eyed look.

As for attractive anime characters, yeah Japanese character designers are probably the most black-pilled people out there. They know how to emphasize and exaggerate sexually dimorphic and predominantly western features in their characters. For woman, it's larger eyes that make them look youthful and feminine, and men, narrow, wide eyes.

 

[Jaime lannister.]

Just have good zygos theory.

Good zygos =good pfl

 

[needsolution]

No it isnt jfl.
It's another PSL meme, eventually japaneses who overdosed anime, i swear 99% of psl is obsessed with muh big skull, muh big everything... Truth is that average skull with good ratios is the best... Chico is the best example of pretty perfect ratios. Average or a little bit smaller skulls look way more aesthetic + if you gymcel your frame will look even more impressive (David Laid example). Nobody wants to end up looking uncanny like Barrett.
Most PSL icons and 7psl+ chads such like Chico, Delon, Nessman, Ballou, Stephen James, DiCaprio, Noszka, Pitt, Hemsworth, Somerhalder (25.5mm pfl btw), Lowe, Bieber (just lol), Dellisola and many more have average or below average PFL (Chico has slighty below average pfl but its frauded with eyelases so gives impression of higher, but well everyone can grow their eyelashes out and improve perceived PFL)
Only legit good looking people with high pfl i can think of are O'Pry, Barrett, de Poot and Gandy... Barrett is questionable tho, he is only 30mm which aint so much... but yet O'Pry, de Poot, Barrett give uncanny and autistic vibes and their smv is lower than Delon for example.

Ofc im not saying that lower PFL is superior. All im saying PFL doesnt matter and most of gl people have PFL on lower side. Its not what makes or breaks eye area unless its really fucked up and very small compared to rest of face but it can work in second direction too. If your face is proportionate then even PFL of 25mm isnt problem. All what matters is to have tight lower eyelid so your eyes are narrow vertically.
I used to care about PFL too, but then i realized its not a problem since it suits my face.
PFL is not really fixable, you would need some really extreme and dangerous surgery and yet i doubt it would work, better to forget about this, carry on and focus on other more important aspects of eye area.

Quote from some study:

The palpebral fissure width is 24.81mm in Average Koreans, whereas it is 26.78mm and 28.1mm in attractive Koreans and attractive Asians, respectively. This shows that attractive faces have a greater palpebral fissure width. In other words, Asians tend to view that eye openings with a greater vertical length to be more beautiful. On the other hand, Caucasians or Blacks showed opposite trends in terms of palpebral fissure width. It was 28.94mm and 31.02mm in average Caucasians and Blacks, respectively, whereas it was 27.45mm and 28.58mm in attractive Caucasians and attractive Blacks, respectively. This shows that Caucasians and Blacks tend to find smaller palpebral fissure width to be more attractive.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Not really. Why are narrow PCT headlights better than round big ones

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Why is a sharp sword more aesthetic than a blunt club?


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You could argue that are evolutionary reasons why our brains find those things aesthetic, but who cares?

there are evolutionary reasons.

 

[Entschuldigung]

Not really. Why are narrow PCT headlights better than round big ones

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Why is a sharp sword more aesthetic than a blunt club?


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You could argue that are evolutionary reasons why our brains find those things aesthetic, but who cares?

The first old car is aesthetic af tbh
I like old things

 

[lookismfugee]

wide

 

[Darkstrand]

The birth defect thing makes sense somehow... There's that chad in my class, but he got like a max 25 pfl and ded srs was called downy