Can anyone link me to any personal anecdotes or studies on the longevity in consuming raw animal products?

[IraniancelV2]

"just do low volume high intensity" you need carbs for max MUR during high intensity.

try again

You're trolling now, because you can't argue.

Eating carbs doesn't mean you aren't carnivore as explained around 5 times now (counting my thread and this convo.)

I literally said you can eat carbs if you want, even though it up regulates the randle cycle.

 

[IraniancelV2]

Argue in my thread, so you can't act as if you didn't see the arguments. I already tagged you, but you know you can't.

 

[Ogionth]

Yes, it says heme iron.

??

How is that debunking my argument. Yes, there is heme iron in meat. ?? And now? There is no proof it causes cancer, only epidemi- do I need to repeat myself?

There is proof and the study I sent had it, if you cared to read.

I don't advocate for "complete" carnivore, as I said MULTIPLE times now.

Then you shouldn't oppose a mix of them, and remind me where did you say that you didn't advocate for strict carnivore but a mixed?

Of course,

meat is not the only thing you should eat, but the majority, which makes you a carnivore by definition. I explained that MULTIPLE times. Why do you keep IGNORING my points?

either way MeR in a strict carnivore even apart from just meat and heme iron too

You concede the arguments, because you don't address my points. As simple as that.

Why would I concede my argument when you're blatantly wrong about heme iron and MUR, + you dont address MeR

All addressed either here or in my thread. Try again.

Except MeR, type that out for me, please.

Methionine Restriction (beyond a certain age)

 

[Ogionth]

No because I'm arguing here and I already posted the link of this thread on there

Argue in my thread, so you can't act as if you didn't see the arguments. I already tagged you, but you know you can't.

 

[heightmax]

Yeah I agree with what he said there I feel like eating raw meat is a bit mad. I understand the efficiency of it and getting all the nutrients but I feel like I'll get poisoned. I see people downing raw eggs all the time so I guess that's normal but I couldn't stomach it.

I need to start eating a carnivore diet first and then I may try raw but if I die I'm blaming everyone on org

just hit your macros avoiding seed oils, too many sugars and soy
dont even bother trying raw stuff thats salmonella speedrun lmao

 

[wojak]

just hit your macros avoiding seed oils, too many sugars and soy
dont even bother trying raw stuff thats salmonella speedrun lmao

thank u bhai. ig its a learning curve. im currently eating slop but ill get there.

 

[Ogionth]

You're trolling now, because you can't argue.

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Eating carbs doesn't mean you aren't carnivore as explained around 5 times now (counting my thread and this convo.)

I literally said you can eat carbs if you want, even though it up regulates the randle cycle.

"It's not just need for carbs" You will need it even apart from the few weeks for max MUR

and
if you're not a strict carnivore, then we're on the same page.


But you deny the other effects of carnivore so choose one side.

 

[wojak]

"It's not just need for carbs" You will need it even apart from the few weeks for max MUR

and
if you're not a strict carnivore, then we're on the same page.


But you deny the other effects of carnivore so choose one side.

wait those negative effects u mentioned are for meat in general and not just raw meat? so eating meat is bad but everyone says its the move. fml

 

[IraniancelV2]

There is proof and the study I sent had it, if you cared to read.

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Your own study says it's only suggestive and there is association, but no proven causation. That's also irrelevant, as the meat has likely been cooked and processed. This study is not on raw carnivore, not isolated by variables, and therefore not relevant. Explain how cancer was unheard of when we were carnivores.

I gave you logical reasoning as to why these studies are not relevant here, you either debunk that logical reasoning, or concede this point. You can't just repeat your argument and leave my answer unanswered.

Then you shouldn't oppose a mix of them, and remind me where did you say that you didn't advocate for strict carnivore but a mixed?

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2 times here, 3 times in my thread. I linked it like 10 times but you DNR it. I keep telling you but you just ignore it.

Why would I concede my argument when you're blatantly wrong about heme iron and MUR, + you dont address MeR

All addressed either here or in my thread. Try again.

Except MeR, type that out for me, please.

Type it out, genius.

 

[Ogionth]

Your own study says it's only suggestive and there is association, but no proven causation.

Just because the mechanism is not entirely known, doesn't mean it's false and might not be known.

And theres mechanistic evidence as said "Heme iron can catalyze the formation of N-nitroso compounds"

+ theres a STRONG CORRELATION and "DOSE DEPENDENT" so yes the study applies to whoever eats it,

you'll be at a higher risk

That's also irrelevant, as the meat has likely been cooked and processed. This study is not on raw carnivore, not isolated by variables, and therefore not relevant. Explain how cancer was unheard of when we were carnivores.

Both the studies explained heme iron,

muh "raw meat" this was independent of PAHs and HCA btw.

and you said "raw"?

I gave you logical reasoning as to why these studies are not relevant here, you either debunk that logical reasoning, or concede this point. You can't just repeat your argument and leave my answer unanswered.

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if you eat carbs for max MUR then you agree with me and you're not advocating for a strict carnivore.

and once again, your statement is incorrect "for a few weeks" so just miss out on max MUR during that?

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that's fine, then don't

thats good but you literally deny the effects of majority carnivore

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The reason why i assumed you meant strict carnivore is because thats what u are literally mentioning and the likes of you here.

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2 times here, 3 times in my thread. I linked it like 10 times but you DNR it. I keep telling you but you just ignore it.

Lol, okay?

thats just in my favor

Type it out, genius.

Im good, you can go read it and know for yourself.

 

[IraniancelV2]

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Just because the mechanism is not entirely known, doesn't mean it's false and might not be known.

And theres mechanistic evidence as said "Heme iron can catalyze the formation of N-nitroso compounds"

+ theres a STRONG CORRELATION and "DOSE DEPENDENT" so yes the study applies to whoever eats it,

you'll be at a higher risk

Both the studies explained heme iron,

muh "raw meat" this was independent of PAHs and HCA btw.

and you said "raw"?

Okay, so admit that it's not proven. I never said it's 100% false, it's just not proven. Raw carnivore populations don't have cancer, which suggests this correlation is not because of causation. Also, still processed, cooked meat. Cooking creates AGEs.

You proved, that a correlation between processed and cooked meat exists in populations eating the modern diet, when not isolating other variables. Nothing else.

Processed meat has added nitrites, by the way. Which DOES suggest it's not happening with raw, unprocessed meat. Explain why we basically didn't get cancer when we mostly ate raw meat. High meat eaters often smoke more, eat processed food etc. This is controlling for variables, and is thus not proof.

I repeat: You can't call something proof when it doesn't account for variables. Show me proof heme iron can catalyze the formation of n nitroso compounds in the gut without added nitrites.

 

[IraniancelV2]

if you eat carbs for max MUR then you agree with me and you're not advocating for a strict carnivore.

Yes, humans are hyper carnivores, as stated multiple times. Yet you ignored the randle cycle, anti nutrients, micro nutrients missing etc.

thats good but you literally deny the effects of majority carnivore

The reason why i assumed you meant strict carnivore is because thats what u are literally mentioning and the likes of you here.

You aren't making sense. Show me a screenshot of what you mean, please.

Lol, okay?

thats just in my favor

No it isn't.

I said we should mostly eat meat.

You said we shouldn't only eat meat.

I showed you I never said we only should eat meat.

It shows you are not reading my arguments. Really NOT in your favour.

and you said "raw"?


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Yeah, you can get sick from any food, lol. If you source it correctly, you won't get sick. That's your point? I wasn't planning to buy my meat from random Nepalis, thanks.

Argue against my entire thread instead of cherry-picking points to bring up correlation studies.

Let me ask you this: How much in % (roughly) of our diet should be Meat, Vegetables, Fruit, Eggs/Dairy? I would probably say something like Meat: 70%, Eggs/Dairy 20%, Fruit 10%.

 

[Ogionth]

Okay, so admit that it's not proven. I never said it's 100% false, it's just not proven.

It's not causationally proven yes.

But that doesn't make it invalid because in history, first they found out a positive correlation between lung cancer and smoking then later found the actual molecular mechanism, same asbestos and so on.

Plus there exists mechanistic evidence (of N nitro so compounds) and a "strong correlation" so it's enough to conclude that the study applies to everyone that consumes high heme iron currently

Raw carnivore populations don't have cancer

Proof?

which suggests this correlation is not because of causation.

plausible Mechanistic evidence + significant positive correlation.

similar happened for many other conditions in history

Also, still processed, cooked meat. Cooking creates AGEs.

Again the studies are about heme iron, which isn't from cooking.

AND IN THE VERY FIRST STATEMENT O THE ARGUMENT, I STATED LIKE 3 TIMES NOW THAT IT'S INDEPENDENT OF HCAs and PAHs

You proved, that a correlation between processed and cooked meat exists in populations eating the modern diet, when not isolating other variables. Nothing else.

It's not from "cooked", raw meat contains heme iron and the studies are of heme iron.

You're miscontruing this for the 5th time now

Processed meat has added nitrites, by the way. Which DOES suggest it's not happening with raw, unprocessed meat. Explain why we basically didn't get cancer when we mostly ate raw meat. High meat eaters often smoke more, eat processed food etc. This is controlling for variables, and is thus not proof.

Except that heme iron is preswnt without cooking it and the studies are of heme iron

I repeat: You can't call something proof when it doesn't account for variables.

im providing evidence, science doesn't work on proof

Show me proof heme iron can catalyze the formation of n nitroso compounds in the gut without added nitrites.

independent of nitrites, try again.

 

[Ogionth]

Yes, humans are hyper carnivores, as stated multiple times. Yet you ignored the randle cycle, anti nutrients, micro nutrients missing etc.

Except that what you advocate for has serious risks as stated.

You aren't making sense. Show me a screenshot of what you mean, please.

You don't need a screenshot to understand why someone could mistake you for a strict carnivore when you advocate for 90% carnivore

BUT eitherway, let's forget this since we agreed on the MUR

No it isn't.

I said we should mostly eat meat.

You said we shouldn't only eat meat.

so 70%, that's already too much and enough for me to argue against

I showed you I never said we only should eat meat.

we agree

It shows you are not reading my arguments. Really NOT in your favour.

no it does.

why would i read your ramblings when u reply 10 times instead of properly replying once

Yeah, you can get sick from any food, lol. If you source it correctly, you won't get sick.

Except that the risk is found everywhere for raw meat no matter your sourcing currently, it's contamination is possible and is very high actually as stated in the studies.

That's your point? I wasn't planning to buy my meat from random Nepalis, thanks.

Except that the same risk was found in the US, Poland and everywhere else too.

Nice try

Argue against my entire thread instead of cherry-picking points to bring up correlation studies.

Why should I argue for something I'm not advocating for

Let me ask you this: How much in % (roughly) of our diet should be Meat, Vegetables, Fruit, Eggs/Dairy? I would probably say something like Meat: 70%, Eggs/Dairy 20%, Fruit 10%.

I don't have an accurate answer as of now.

And your answer is unhealthy.

 

[IraniancelV2]

Except that what you advocate for has serious risks as stated.

You don't need a screenshot to understand why someone could mistake you for a strict carnivore when you advocate for 90% carnivore

BUT eitherway, let's forget this since we agreed on the MUR

so 70%, that's already too much and enough for me to argue against

we agree

no it does.

why would i read your ramblings when u reply 10 times instead of properly replying once

Except that the risk is found everywhere for raw meat no matter your sourcing currently, it's contamination is possible and is very high actually as stated in the studies.


Except that the same risk was found in the US, Poland and everywhere else too.

Nice try

Why should I argue for something I'm not advocating for

I don't have an accurate answer as of now.

And your answer is unhealthy.

Argue in my thread, I thought we don't want to hop from one thread to the other.

 

[Ogionth]

Argue in my thread, I thought we don't want to hop from one thread to the other.

No lol, you just DNR'ed

2 of my logical responses and now you're saying argue there?

respond here if you're sincere

 

[IraniancelV2]

No lol, you just DNR'ed

2 of my logical responses and now you're saying argue there?

respond here if you're sincere

Yea we will talk about it on disc. use a voice changer if you are scared of your voice getting leaked.

 

[Ogionth]

Yea we will talk about it on disc. use a voice changer if you are scared of your voice getting leaked.

No, respond here.

why take it elsewhere lmao

just take it elsewhere when u get answered theory so the public doesn't see it

 

[sinister.]

I've been recommended by a couple users to add more meat into my diet, which i agree with. Another user on here told me how cooking the meat removes nutrients, so it's more efficient to eat it raw. I understand all of this but I was wondering if I could read more about it and see how it has effected people facially/physically. I'm intrigued to see any before and after pictures/videos, research papers or personal accounts. Anything really.

TIA.

kill yourself atp bruh wtf did i just read

 

[heightmax]

thank u bhai. ig its a learning curve. im currently eating slop but ill get there.

np
i myself eat raw meat (tartare) and fish (sashimi or in general sushi) and when i cook my meat i have it rare almost blue.
the thing is you need to blast freeze the meat
the real problem comes with raw milk thats just retardism

 

[wojak]

kill yourself atp bruh wtf did i just read

ratiocel

 

[bp_framepill78]

I've been recommended by a couple users to add more meat into my diet, which i agree with. Another user on here told me how cooking the meat removes nutrients, so it's more efficient to eat it raw. I understand all of this but I was wondering if I could read more about it and see how it has effected people facially/physically. I'm intrigued to see any before and after pictures/videos, research papers or personal accounts. Anything really.

TIA.

don't bother listening to asdvek or @IraniancelV2 anyone who hasn't severe mental retardation could decipher that cooking your meat is better

 

[IraniancelV2]

don't bother listening to asdvek or @IraniancelV2 anyone who hasn't severe mental retardation could decipher that cooking your meat is better

bp_framepill78​

KHHV pasta eater​

 

[bp_framepill78]

bp_framepill78​

KHHV pasta eater​

Pasta mogs raw meat btw