Can I make a narrow frame look naturally wide [Serious replies only]

[mentalillness1234]

My frame is very narrow, looking like this guy Shane Duquette.

We both are ectomorphs and have narrow shoulders, but they're somewhat redeemable by their square shape and by having a small waist, making the overall physique look fairly aesthetic (my hips are slightly wider than his though and I have a smaller ribcage unfortunately).

He managed to transform his physique into this:

My question is: despite having a sub-par frame, would a physique transformation like this make your frame look satisfactorily wide and attractive and make people think you're naturally a mesomorph? Would you say his physique and frame now appear decently above average despite his narrow frame structure? Is there potentially more he could do to make himself look even wider (other than drugs)? Would having a slightly higher body fat percentage (like within the 14-16%) unironically contribute to the naturally wide look I'm going for?

I really want to have a mesomorphic body type, pls let it be possible.

 

[SubhumanForever]

Clavicle lenghtening surgery is the only thing

 

[asdvek]

He roided prob

 

[mentalillness1234]

Clavicle lenghtening surgery is the only thing

Have not seen a single good result from that procedure that actually looks like it widens the frame. Surely gaining enough muscle mass can negate the effects of a narrow frame

 

[mentalillness1234]

He roided prob

Looks natural to me

 

[asdvek]

Looks natural to me

Fag he roided for his clavicles not physique retard

 

[SubhumanForever]

Surely gaining enough muscle mass can negate the effects of a narrow frame

NOPE. Frame = Bideltoid width. Increasing bideltoid width = getting clavicle surgery

 

[Giorgio]

this guys frame and proportions are not bad tho

 

[mentalillness1234]

NOPE. Frame = Bideltoid width. Increasing bideltoid width = getting clavicle surgery

U can increase bideltoid width a ltitle bit with muscle, no? Clavicle surgery is a pipedream. Expensive af and rarely done.

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

NOPE. Frame = Bideltoid width. Increasing bideltoid width = getting clavicle surgery

I don't need one

 

[SubhumanForever]

U can increase bideltoid width a ltitle bit with muscle, no?

Like 2-3 cm bro. You need at least 6 inches to go from subhuman to human

 

[mentalillness1234]

this guys frame and proportions are not bad tho

I assumed a frame like his would be considered bad because of how narrow it is.

 

[WBC323]

If shane did it so can you?

 

[Giorgio]

I assumed a frame like his would be considered bad because of how narrow it is.

"narrowness" is just one aspect of "frame"

and he's not really "narrow", actually seems pretty good since he has literally 0 muscle on him

another big underlooked factor is shoulder slope, or neck/head proportion etc

 

[mentalillness1234]

If shane did it so can you?

"narrowness" is just one aspect of "frame"

and he's not really "narrow", actually seems pretty good since he has literally 0 muscle on him

another big underlooked factor is shoulder slope, or neck/head proportion etc

I think I have body dysmorphia cuz his physique looked too narrow even in the after photo to me. My physique looks exactly like his and I have no muscle too

 

[LilJojo]

My frame is very narrow, looking like this guy Shane Duquette.

View attachment 3036053

We both are ectomorphs and have narrow shoulders, but they're somewhat redeemable by their square shape and by having a small waist, making the overall physique look fairly aesthetic (my hips are slightly wider than his though and I have a smaller ribcage unfortunately).

He managed to transform his physique into this: View attachment 3036072

My question is: despite having a sub-par frame, would a physique transformation like this make your frame look satisfactorily wide and attractive and make people think you're naturally a mesomorph? Would you say his physique and frame now appear decently above average despite his narrow frame structure? Is there potentially more he could do to make himself look even wider (other than drugs)? Would having a slightly higher body fat percentage (like within the 14-16%) unironically contribute to the naturally wide look I'm going for?

I really want to have a mesomorphic body type, pls let it be possible.

That’s a normal frame.

 

[wastedspermcel]

If ur under 20 take test + mast

 

[SubhumanForever]

I think I have body dysmorphia cuz his physique looked too narrow even in the after photo to me. My physique looks exactly like his and I have no muscle too

Don't listen to copers, buddy boyo. The shoulder width/head width ratio should be 3,9
If it's lower - get clavicle txtension surgery

 

[UKMTN]

My frame is very narrow, looking like this guy Shane Duquette.

View attachment 3036053

We both are ectomorphs and have narrow shoulders, but they're somewhat redeemable by their square shape and by having a small waist, making the overall physique look fairly aesthetic (my hips are slightly wider than his though and I have a smaller ribcage unfortunately).

He managed to transform his physique into this: View attachment 3036072

My question is: despite having a sub-par frame, would a physique transformation like this make your frame look satisfactorily wide and attractive and make people think you're naturally a mesomorph? Would you say his physique and frame now appear decently above average despite his narrow frame structure? Is there potentially more he could do to make himself look even wider (other than drugs)? Would having a slightly higher body fat percentage (like within the 14-16%) unironically contribute to the naturally wide look I'm going for?

I really want to have a mesomorphic body type, pls let it be possible.

Gain a bit of mass it’ll help for sure obviously it won’t have the same look as purely wide clavicles on a skinnier frame and at the end of the day even if it doesn’t make your frame miles better it’s better than no improvement. i have pretty narrow clavs and shit waist genetics went gym and i look a lot wider now

 

[WBC323]

I think I have body dysmorphia cuz his physique looked too narrow even in the after photo to me. My physique looks exactly like his and I have no muscle too

He is still narrower than average gymmaxxer but it's not that bad, brad pitt has similar frame and his body looks p. cool.

 

[mentalillness1234]

Don't listen to copers, buddy boyo. The shoulder width/head width ratio should be 3,9
If it's lower - get clavicle txtension surgery

Kms you might be right, my shoulder width to head ratio is not good. Is this surgery available in australia? I'll wear shoulder pads until I ahve enough money. Maybe I wear this until I have money? https://www.smitizen.com/product/fake-shoulder-push-up-silicone-pads

 

[SubhumanForever]

Is this surgery available in australia

Look it up, bro

 

[mentalillness1234]

Look it up, bro

The surgery is just not worth the risk or the cost. I will just shoulder pad max for the rest of my life or until it becomes a more reliable procedure jfl
With that plus widening my shoulders a bit through muscle growth, I will visually add maybe 3 inches to my bideltoid width. Fuck these genetics im so close to being fully ascended with my beautiful face but have a narrow ass frame with bottom 5% shoulder width.

 

[SubhumanForever]

The surgery is just not worth the risk or the cost.

LISTEN TO ME YOU FUCKING RETARD
YOU EITHER HAVE SHOULDER WIDTH/HEAD WIDTH RATIO 0F 3.9+ OR YOU FUCKING ROPE NOW
I DON'T FUCKING CARE HOW YOU DO IT
YOU MUST HAVE SW/HW RATIO OF 3.9 OR JUST FUCKING END YOURSELF

 

[LilJojo]

Don't listen to copers, buddy boyo. The shoulder width/head width ratio should be 3,9
If it's lower - get clavicle txtension surgery

A 25 inch bideltoid can’t happen. Stop bullshitting
( average head width 6-7 inches 6.5x3.9 = 25)

 

[SubhumanForever]

A 25 inch bideltoid can’t happen

 

[mentalillness1234]

A 25 inch bideltoid can’t happen. Stop bullshitting
( average head width 6-7 inches 6.5x3.9 = 25)

1:3-1:3.2 i think is ideal, any more than that is extremely rare. unfortunately i have less than that so i need shoulder pads jfl

 

[LilJojo]

1:3-1:3.2 i think is ideal, any more than that is extremely rare. unfortunately i have less than that so i need shoulder pads jfl

That’s the ideal but it’s still rare. Frame isn’t a failo unless you have short clavicles

 

[Bombolozzo]

Nigga this guy has a great frame

 

[mirrormogger]

NOPE. Frame = Bideltoid width. Increasing bideltoid width = getting clavicle surgery

frame is bicromial width, which cant be increased with muscle. Bideltoid width very much can

 

[mentalillness1234]

Nigga this guy has a great frame

Yep I'm a retard

 

[CsCurry]

His frame was fine. Probably normie tier.

That said if you just focus on back and delt work and skip traps (make you look narrower) and any hip exercises (0 clue why people do these given that they are a looksmin), you’ll be around as wide as you can get.

For delts I’d focus on shoulder presses, lateral raises, and rear delt flys. For back I’d focus on pull up or pull-down variations and maybe some chest supported rows.

I’d avoid doing low bar squats, getting fat, or any direct hip work for obvious reasons (don’t want a thick waist from muscle or fat.

Realistically you are probably slaying off of photos on a dating app so the ratio is a lot more important than total mass.

 

[cc_7373]

Worked for me can send pics if you want

 

[greycel]

NOPE. Frame = Bideltoid width. Increasing bideltoid width = getting clavicle surgery

Side delts, rear delts and back exercises widened a friends of mine width from 18 inches untrained (average) to 21 inches

Muscle will still change bideltoid width

 

[Rawprimalooks]

My frame is very narrow, looking like this guy Shane Duquette.

View attachment 3036053

We both are ectomorphs and have narrow shoulders, but they're somewhat redeemable by their square shape and by having a small waist, making the overall physique look fairly aesthetic (my hips are slightly wider than his though and I have a smaller ribcage unfortunately).

He managed to transform his physique into this: View attachment 3036072

My question is: despite having a sub-par frame, would a physique transformation like this make your frame look satisfactorily wide and attractive and make people think you're naturally a mesomorph? Would you say his physique and frame now appear decently above average despite his narrow frame structure? Is there potentially more he could do to make himself look even wider (other than drugs)? Would having a slightly higher body fat percentage (like within the 14-16%) unironically contribute to the naturally wide look I'm going for?

I really want to have a mesomorphic body type, pls let it be possible.

U should train most of sides shoulder and have big legs small waist somehow muscles

 

[SubhumanForever]

Side delts, rear delts and back exercises widened a friends of mine width from 18 inches untrained (average) to 21 inches

Muscle will still change bideltoid width

Tales from discord

 

[greycel]

Tales from discord

Your kidding right
Look at any gym transformation of a dude who went from unfit to fit
Even without roads, after a few years of gymcelling they appear wider

Look at orc for example.. you think roids increased his fucking bone frame by like 5/6 inches??

3 inches width increase from 5 years of constant gymcelling is expected

 

[SubhumanForever]

Look at any gym transformation of a dude who went from unfit to fit

Yeah, these "transformations" transform you subhuman roidmonkey
NO GYM FOR BIDELTOID BONE, MY MAN.
NO GYM FOR WAIST WIDTH
NO GYM FOR ABS DEFINITION
NO GYM FOR ADONIS BELT
NO GYM FOR PEC INSERTIONS

 

[User28823]

nope.

cheers.

 

[greycel]

Yeah, these "transformations" transform you subhuman roidmonkey
NO GYM FOR BIDELTOID BONE, MY MAN.
NO GYM FOR WAIST WIDTH
NO GYM FOR ABS DEFINITION
NO GYM FOR ADONIS BELT
NO GYM FOR PEC INSERTIONS

Bideltoid bone does not matter to the extent you believe it does you nihilistic freak
It's like an advantage, you start at a higher end, but if you're average.. even below average.. so long as you're not absolutely screwed ectomoprh with a narrow frame, you are fine

Total width Muscle, largely from muscle is what matters

A guy with a below average bideltoid who is gymmaxed will outperform the higher bideltoid dude who has average muscle

The reason why? Blackpillers don't make the rules
We follow the bluepillers, aka the normies

We don't whip out a ruler measuring bone
We put two niggas side to side. Use whatever advantage you want, whoever is wider mogs

Also a wide waist with wider shoulders is ideal. It's a hunters frame compared to twink bodybuilders who think it's manly having a smaller waist than women
On its own it looks good because it frauds the idea of the shoulders being wider than they truly are. The perceived size of the waist is assumed to be ideal (average to wide)

But in reality, when they are placed side to side with another dude they get mogged hard
Check this post out man:

SALLUDON MOGS DRAGO TO LAHORE HEAVEN

Side profile : Nonexistent ramus vs tall ramus :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::lul: ' FRAME : :lul::lul: Facially mogs him to death too :lul: :lul::lul::lul:

looksmax.org

And then this post from this thread:

whomever thinks compact midface mogs is a retard

zayn or whatever his name is looks like a toddler next to delli

looksmax.org

 

[SubhumanForever]

Bideltoid bone does not matter to the extent you believe it does you nihilistic freak

>Your skull structure does not matter to the extent you believe it does you nihilistic freak

 

[greycel]

>Your skull structure does not matter to the extent you believe it does you nihilistic freak

You don't understand because you're a newgen
Also you are right with this jfl.
It's not the same as the muscles in your face aren't indicative to your attractiveness.. its the bones largely

However having filler/ implants and adding bone mass, can be seen as a similar argument

Listen man, it's important you drop your ego when talking though brother
It's inhibiting all parts of your life.
Drop it, you'll have a much better life

And check the posts I linked. I feel like you'd enjoy them

 

[SubhumanForever]

It's not the same as the muscles in your face aren't indicative to your attractiveness.. its the bones largely

Holy shit you are so brown I can't believe it. I wasn't talking about muscles you fucking retard, I was talking about B O N E S.
Bones are the only thing that matter
NO BONES? NO FRAME

 

[greycel]

Holy shit you are so brown I can't believe it. I wasn't talking about muscles you fucking retard, I was talking about B O N E S.
Bones are the only thing that matter
NO BONES? NO FRAME

I'm not engaging with you and your Mariana Trench iq anymore

 

[keonxmogs]

My frame is very narrow, looking like this guy Shane Duquette.

View attachment 3036053

We both are ectomorphs and have narrow shoulders, but they're somewhat redeemable by their square shape and by having a small waist, making the overall physique look fairly aesthetic (my hips are slightly wider than his though and I have a smaller ribcage unfortunately).

He managed to transform his physique into this: View attachment 3036072

My question is: despite having a sub-par frame, would a physique transformation like this make your frame look satisfactorily wide and attractive and make people think you're naturally a mesomorph? Would you say his physique and frame now appear decently above average despite his narrow frame structure? Is there potentially more he could do to make himself look even wider (other than drugs)? Would having a slightly higher body fat percentage (like within the 14-16%) unironically contribute to the naturally wide look I'm going for?

I really want to have a mesomorphic body type, pls let it be possible.

just bulk and roids

 

[SubhumanForever]

I'm not engaging with you and your Mariana Trench iq anymore

>LITERALLY NO ARGUMENT
And just like that... I won.

 

[IanIachimoe2491]

I think I have body dysmorphia cuz his physique looked too narrow even in the after photo to me. My physique looks exactly like his and I have no muscle too

udo

 

[abcd]

>LITERALLY NO ARGUMENT
And just like that... I won.

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