Can I reach chadlite.

[NuclearGeo20]

I have similar ratios to Zayn Malik. It makes sense since we are both Palestinian and have similar phenotypes. But the difference is that he is a chadlite with insane amounts of female appeal, so I would like to get to that level. I am ok with every surgery except obo. Can I reach Chadlite and how would I do that. Im think to do a lf2 plus bsso to get ideal forward growth and then I will follow that with jaw and chin implants. I'm also thinking of getting saddled infraorbital+zygomatic implants. Am I stupid for that and if so what would be the best plan, Also I am half way through my softmaxxing journey I've lost some weight and I will continue to do that hopefully. Also, Ill use minoxidil to get denser eyebrows.

 

[RecessedCels]

I'm sorry buddy

 

[NuclearGeo20]

I'm sorry buddy

Dont need your sorrow, I need advice bud

 

[The Homelander]

I'm sorry buddy

 

[Bryce]

I'm sorry buddy

 

[NuclearGeo20]

You and Zayn bear little resemblance

simliar feastures but hes more handsome obv

 

[RecessedCels]

Dont need your sorrow, I need advice bud

Well let's put it this way. You aren't ugly but you aren't good looking either

 

[WKW]

Yeah, nah….

Like even with 100k worth of surgeries, it’s still a firm no.

 

[CEO]

We're all sorry buddy. Will bump your post. All the best ️

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Well let's put it this way. You aren't ugly but you aren't good looking either

i know, thats why im asking for advice

 

[Bryce]

Well let's put it this way. You aren't ugly but you aren't good looking either

This also known as being stuck in MTN hell

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Yeah, nah….

Like even with 100k worth of surgeries, it’s still a firm no.

fr?

 

[RecessedCels]

i know, thats why im asking for advice

Hard capped at MTN tbh

 

[RecessedCels]

This also known as being stuck in MTN hell

Mtn in no way is hell

 

[The Homelander]

I have similar ratios to Zayn Malik.

 

[WKW]

fr?

Unfortunately yeah.

You just don’t have the blessed genes of zayn whatsoever.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Hard capped at MTN tbh

Not even with the most blackpilled surgeries. LF3?

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Unfortunately yeah.

You just don’t have the blessed genes of zayn whatsoever.

Not even with the most blackpilled surgeries. LF3?

 

[CEO]

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JFL Homelander is killin me today

 

[Bryce]

Not even with the most blackpilled surgeries. LF3?

The fuck is a LF3 gonna do

 

[RecessedCels]

Not even with the most blackpilled surgeries. LF3?

Lefort 3 is for severely disabled children

 

[The Homelander]

The fuck is a LF3 gonna do

Buy the surgeon a nice vacation

 

[CEO]

Anyways this thread is a certified banger in the highest echelons of graycel history ️

 

[WKW]

Not even with the most blackpilled surgeries. LF3?

None.

I’m being brutally honest man, don’t even bother going for consultations if the mindset is CL

 

[NuclearGeo20]

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we both have close set eyes, small skull, very similar IPD, similar nasal height. He has a better jaw, better infraorbitals, better zygos...

 

[The Homelander]

None.

I’m being brutally honest man, don’t even bother going for consultations if the mindset is CL

I agree he has to be realistic

 

[grungymallard97]

I have similar ratios to Zayn Malik. It makes sense since we are both Palestinian and have similar phenotypes. But the difference is that he is a chadlite with insane amounts of female appeal, so I would like to get to that level. I am ok with every surgery except obo. Can I reach Chadlite and how would I do that. Im think to do a lf2 plus bsso to get ideal forward growth and then I will follow that with jaw and chin implants. I'm also thinking of getting saddled infraorbital+zygomatic implants. Am I stupid for that and if so what would be the best plan, Also I am half way through my softmaxxing journey I've lost some weight and I will continue to do that hopefully. Also, Ill use minoxidil to get denser eyebrows.

Give urself a chance, grow out ur beard and get lean asap, sort ur skin out the texture is ass (but u have no acne so that’s good) and do something for ur lower third

 

[hoping to improve]

no

 

[NuclearGeo20]

The fuck is a LF3 gonna do

positive orbital vector, perhaps get rid of sceleral show with an extra implant

 

[The Homelander]

no

 

[Bryce]

positive orbital vector, perhaps get rid of sceleral show with an extra implant

So you're saying you're going to spend like what, $70k I think it is? For a surgery that will make almost no difference? Hilarious to me how greys will masturbate over reconstructive facial surgeries without even debloating first. LF3 was made for people who are so recessed they can't breathe because of it, also no first world surgeon would agree to this jfl

 

[CEO]

The memes just keep writing themselves... Holy fuck boys

We're in for a ride

 

[Bryce]

The memes just keep writing themselves... Holy fuck boys

We're in for a ride

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Thread of the Week

 

[KB_maxxer]

I have similar ratios to Zayn Malik. It makes sense since we are both Palestinian and have similar phenotypes. But the difference is that he is a chadlite with insane amounts of female appeal, so I would like to get to that level. I am ok with every surgery except obo. Can I reach Chadlite and how would I do that. Im think to do a lf2 plus bsso to get ideal forward growth and then I will follow that with jaw and chin implants. I'm also thinking of getting saddled infraorbital+zygomatic implants. Am I stupid for that and if so what would be the best plan, Also I am half way through my softmaxxing journey I've lost some weight and I will continue to do that hopefully. Also, Ill use minoxidil to get denser eyebrows.

You are chopped but not too chopped, you are Just aiming too High brother

 

[NuclearGeo20]

So you're saying you're going to spend like what, $70k I think it is? For a surgery that will make almost no difference? Hilarious to me how greys will masturbate over reconstructive facial surgeries without even debloating first. LF3 was made for people who are so recessed they can't breathe because of it, also no first world surgeon would agree to this jfl

im in the middle of softmaxxing bro. Eventually ill be able to get to 9 percent bf i think. But until then I want to know whats wrong with my bone structure, but everybody on this forum is a jackass

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

 

[NuclearGeo20]

So you're saying you're going to spend like what, $70k I think it is? For a surgery that will make almost no difference? Hilarious to me how greys will masturbate over reconstructive facial surgeries without even debloating first. LF3 was made for people who are so recessed they can't breathe because of it, also no first world surgeon would agree to this jfl

any other surgeries then?

 

[Bryce]

im in the middle of softmaxxing bro. Eventually ill be able to get to 9 percent bf i think. But until then I want to know whats wrong with my bone structure, but everybody on this forum is a jackass

Yeah, everyone who tells you the truth that you don't want to hear is a jackass, I know the feeling

 

[Bryce]

any other surgeries then?

Jfl

 

[CEO]

im in the middle of softmaxxing bro. Eventually ill be able to get to 9 percent bf i think. But until then I want to know whats wrong with my bone structure, but everybody on this forum is a jackass

"Jackass" there is no other place that'll tell you the truth like this. Yes, there may be a lot of degenerate faggots and retards on this site, but there's a fair share of good people too. At the end of the day, majority of the users here won't lie to you, virtue signal, and will simply gauge the situation as is. We value truth over feelings. I genuinely wish you all the best on your journey bro, cheers to your ascension ️

 

[NuclearGeo20]

"Jackass" there is no other place that'll tell you the truth like this. Yes, there may be a lot of degenerate faggots and retards on this site, but there's a fair share of good people too. At the end of the day, majority of the users here won't lie to you, virtue signal, and will simply gauge the situation as is. We value truth over feelings. All the best on your journey bro ️

thats not what I meant. I dont care being told that Im a low tier normie. I know that. Im looking for stuff to improve within my bone structure. They aren't telling me what to improve though, and they are more knowledgeable than me on aesthetics. It's not a problem if people tell me that I can't ascend to chadlite. But at least knowing why would be nice

 

[Zeekie]

I have similar ratios to Zayn Malik. It makes sense since we are both Palestinian and have similar phenotypes. But the difference is that he is a chadlite with insane amounts of female appeal, so I would like to get to that level. I am ok with every surgery except obo. Can I reach Chadlite and how would I do that. Im think to do a lf2 plus bsso to get ideal forward growth and then I will follow that with jaw and chin implants. I'm also thinking of getting saddled infraorbital+zygomatic implants. Am I stupid for that and if so what would be the best plan, Also I am half way through my softmaxxing journey I've lost some weight and I will continue to do that hopefully. Also, Ill use minoxidil to get denser eyebrows.

Let's go point by point. I don't think you can get to Chadlite, but you can make it to a high HTN at least.

1. Do not get chin implants, I mean you can, but it's probably not ideal. Talk with a maxillofacial surgeon and see if you're a good fit for bimax in the first place. If you're not, then follow through with genioplasty to fix your chin recession, implants are not ideal here.
2. You're going to need jaw implants to improve your ramus length, gonial angle definition and front width, but before even talking to a surgeon about this, get leaner. You're not lean enough yet.
3. I don't think you're a good fit for zygomatic or infraorbital implants. Please re-consider this procedure as it can make you look worse.
4. Minoxidil? Do it if you want, but you got Arab genes, your eyebrows are already perfectly thick, they do need grooming however.

Now, onto what I would add:
1. Eye area: Canthoplasty (to address your extreme downward canthal tilt) + periorbital fat grafting (to reduce upper eyelid exposure and improve the slight hollowness of your orbitals, this doesn't need an implant to be addressed). You also need something done to address your lower scleral show, but I know basically nothing about that topic, you on your own. Furthermore, consider lower blephiroplasty as well.

2. Skin: The universal skincare routine... in the AM use a cleanser and sunscreen, in the PM use a cleanser, retinoid, and moisturizing (preferably an oil like squalane or beef tallow, but a conventional moisturizer works well, though not idea). The retinoid is the most important part of this routine as it would fix your comedones, texture and help reduce those acne marks. Use the strongest you can get your hands on, here's a list of them from weakest to strongest: Retinol (no prescription) -> Retinaldehyde (no prescription) -> Adapalene (no prescription depending on concentration) -> Tretinoin (prescription-only) -> Accutane (oral, prescription only) -> (there are a couple more but kinda irrelevant) -> Tazarotene (prescription-only).

3. Facial Hair: Quit the mustache, nothing else to add. Maybe do a stubble for now.

4. Physique: You not only need to be lean, but also put more muscle in your frame, don't be a bodybuilder, but being lean and a stick isn't really attractive. Put some emphasis on your neck as well, this is very important.

 

[CEO]

thats not what I meant. I dont care being told that Im a low tier normie. I know that. Im looking for stuff to improve within my bone structure. They aren't telling me what to improve though, and they are more knowledgeable than me on aesthetics. It's not a problem if people tell me that I can't ascend to chadlite. But at least knowing why would be nice

Check out the Best of the Best section on here, that's where all the value is on ORG. Consider getting pro face ratings as well done by reputable youtubers, they'll provide you with a ton of data that could be useful gl

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Let's go point by point. I don't think you can get to Chadlite, but you can make it to a high HTN at least.

1. Do not get chin implants, I mean you can, but it's probably not ideal. Talk with a maxillofacial surgeon and see if you're a good fit for bimax in the first place. If you're not, then follow through with genioplasty to fix your chin recession, implants are not ideal here.
2. You're going to need jaw implants to improve your ramus length, gonial angle definition and front width, but before even talking to a surgeon about this, get leaner. You're not lean enough yet.
3. I don't think you're a good fit for zygomatic or infraorbital implants. Please re-consider this procedure as it can make you look worse.
4. Minoxidil? Do it if you want, but you got Arab genes, your eyebrows are already perfectly thick, they do need grooming however.

Now, onto what I would add:
1. Eye area: Canthoplasty (to address your extreme downward canthal tilt) + periorbital fat grafting (to reduce upper eyelid exposure and improve the slight hollowness of your orbitals, this doesn't need an implant to be addressed). You also need something done to address your lower scleral show, but I know basically nothing about that topic, you on your own. Furthermore, consider lower blephiroplasty as well.

2. Skin: The universal skincare routine... in the AM use a cleanser and sunscreen, in the PM use a cleanser, retinoid, and moisturizing (preferably an oil like squalane or beef tallow, but a conventional moisturizer works well, though not idea). The retinoid is the most important part of this routine as it would fix your comedones, texture and help reduce those acne marks. Use the strongest you can get your hands on, here's a list of them from weakest to strongest: Retinol (no prescription) -> Retinaldehyde (no prescription) -> Adapalene (no prescription depending on concentration) -> Tretinoin (prescription-only) -> Accutane (oral, prescription only) -> (there are a couple more but kinda irrelevant) -> Tazarotene (prescription-only).

3. Facial Hair: Quit the mustache, nothing else to add. Maybe do a stubble for now.

4. Physique: You not only need to be lean, but also put more muscle in your frame, don't be a bodybuilder, but being lean and a stick isn't really attractive. Put some emphasis on your neck as well, this is very important.

Good info. But wouldn't canthoplasty be bad since the cause of sceleral show and neg canthal tilt is the bone structure itself. Wouldn't that be solving the symptom and not the problem itself. Also the moustache ascended me because I have a 20mm philtrum. So I can't get rid of it.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Impossible

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Check out the Best of the Best section on here, that's where all the value is on ORG. Consider getting pro face ratings as well done by reputable youtubers, they'll provide you with a ton of data that could be useful gl

I already did that. I need more specific and niche advice

 

[CEO]

I have similar ratios to Zayn Malik. It makes sense since we are both Palestinian and have similar phenotypes. But the difference is that he is a chadlite with insane amounts of female appeal, so I would like to get to that level. I am ok with every surgery except obo. Can I reach Chadlite and how would I do that. Im think to do a lf2 plus bsso to get ideal forward growth and then I will follow that with jaw and chin implants. I'm also thinking of getting saddled infraorbital+zygomatic implants. Am I stupid for that and if so what would be the best plan, Also I am half way through my softmaxxing journey I've lost some weight and I will continue to do that hopefully. Also, Ill use minoxidil to get denser eyebrows.

PS. Zayn Malik is actually Pakistani not Palestinian FYI

 

[Zeekie]

Good info. But wouldn't canthoplasty be bad since the cause of sceleral show and neg canthal tilt is the bone structure itself. Wouldn't that be solving the symptom and not the problem itself. Also the moustache ascended me because I have a 20mm philtrum. So I can't get rid of it.

Yes, that's true, but those solutions are permanent regardless, fixing the root cause is gonna cost you more money, and require more dangerous procedures. If you're seeking good results with minimum monetary investment and risks grafts and canthoplasty are your best bet for addressing your eye area.

Regarding the mustache, okay fine, keep it, but it needs to be better. Aim for a beardstache, or what women call it "pornstache", which is kinda what you already have, but not quiet, get what I mean? Here's where minox (topical or oral) and dermaroller could help you. That or a transplant.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Yes, that's true, but those solutions are permanent regardless, fixing the root cause is gonna cost you more money, and require more dangerous procedures. If you're seeking good results with minimum monetary investment and risks grafts and canthoplasty are your best bet for addressing your eye area.

Regarding the mustache, okay fine, keep it, but it needs to be better. Aim for a beardstache, or what women call it "pornstache", which is kinda what you already have, but not quiet, get what I mean? Here's where minox (topical or oral) and dermaroller could help you. That or a transplant.

don't canthoplasties end up drooping and causing a more negative canthal tilt

 

[Zeekie]

don't canthoplasties end up drooping and causing a more negative canthal tilt

Well canthoplasties themselves are used to correct drooping. But yeah, maybe when you're older that can happen, but do you really care?

I believe you're a great fit for it. But really, do what you want. Your body after all.