can i run hctz long term on test?

[fire1337]

been on 300mg test the past 5-6 weeks and the bloat has been KILLING me. I started on 25mg eplerenone before i started test and soon after starting bumped it to 50mg. It helped but I look more bloated than I did on 25mg pre-test. My BF% is low, I have ab veins showing and am pretty vascular all around. Got HCTZ coming in 2 days to help with water retention as I'm sure most of the bloat is from water retention. Any advice on hctz dosing? Should I up my eplerenone dosage? Initially I was thinking 25mg eplerenone and 12.5mg hctz ED for the rest of my existence (or at least for 10 weeks until im off test). Any advice is always appreciated!

 

[orbitro]

I'm sure most of the bloat is from water retention.

well no shit

 

[aids]

Gotta stop worrying so much about bloat. Deal with being a little chubby and then lean down once you've finished gaining.

The best and most sustainable way to look good when you're enhanced is to get lean, not spam diuretics that could potentially be unsustainable long-term/affect progress. Best part is that you can still remain high test when you're lean if you're enhanced.

 

[fire1337]

Gotta stop worrying so much about bloat. Deal with being a little chubby and then lean down once you've finished gaining.

The best and most sustainable way to look good when you're enhanced is to get lean, not spam diuretics that could potentially be unsustainable long-term/affect progress. Best part is that you can still remain high test when you're lean if you're enhanced.

appreciate the advice! honestly i probably need to spam water because i dont nearly get in 3-4L. T_T
I'm flying internationally to EU at the end of the month though.. would you say its safe to take hctz for the whole week im there or should I essentially void it unless I'm using it for like 1-2 nights max.

 

[aids]

Anyway @fire1337, furosemide ad hoc for social events, and up your eplerenone dose otherwise. I wouldn't even use HCTZ. Bloat on 300 test should be manageable, take some Aromasin if you see some symptoms of high E2 (excessive bloat could be one of them). I'd target the reason that you're bloated (i.e., your oestradiol) rather than manage the symptoms.

 

[aids]

appreciate the advice! honestly i probably need to spam water because i dont nearly get in 3-4L. T_T
I'm flying internationally to EU at the end of the month though.. would you say its safe to take hctz for the whole week im there or should I essentially void it unless I'm using it for like 1-2 nights max.

Why would it not be safe?

 

[fire1337]

Anyway @fire1337, furosemide ad hoc for social events, and up your eplerenone dose otherwise. I wouldn't even use HCTZ. Bloat on 300 test should be manageable, take some Aromasin if you see some symptoms of high E2 (excessive bloat could be one of them). I'd target the reason that you're bloated (i.e., your oestradiol) rather than manage the symptoms.

gotcha, I just have hctz ordered and since its used as a water pill so i assumed itd be best to get rid of the water retention caused from trt / hgh.

Why would it not be safe?

i understand how hctz and eplerenone work, but havent looked into what changes when you up the dose. In example, when I go from 25-50-75mg of eplerenone, what changes? Does it block *more* aldosterone after production or more powerfully block the receptors? Same goes for hctz. I don't wanna overload diuretics and have my heart explode or kidneys fail or some shit lol. If you think it's safe though (considering I've been on 50mg eplerenone for a month or so), do you recommend upping dosage to 75mg and seeing how that works? or should I jump to like 100 lol.

Also, I'm on 12.5mg aromasin e3d. Haven't gotten my labs done since starting yet (Week 5) so unsure of what E2 is looking like yet.

Again, I really appreciate the advice!

 

[aids]

gotcha, I just have hctz ordered and since its used as a water pill so i assumed itd be best to get rid of the water retention caused from trt / hgh.

i understand how hctz and eplerenone work, but havent looked into what changes when you up the dose. In example, when I go from 25-50-75mg of eplerenone, what changes? Does it block *more* aldosterone after production or more powerfully block the receptors? Same goes for hctz. I don't wanna overload diuretics and have my heart explode or kidneys fail or some shit lol. If you think it's safe though (considering I've been on 50mg eplerenone for a month or so), do you recommend upping dosage to 75mg and seeing how that works? or should I jump to like 100 lol.

Also, I'm on 12.5mg aromasin e3d. Haven't gotten my labs done since starting yet (Week 5) so unsure of what E2 is looking like yet.

Again, I really appreciate the advice!

Just use Eplerenone and go by symptom. It's not inherently dangerous especially at your dose. Get blood work a few days after the dose (nearly) saturates (i.e., at least 3 half lives later), and organ imaging if you're really concerned.

Realistically, I think that looking at your E2 in bloodwork is not the most important thing. I believe you should go by feel since you may feel good having what might be considered high or low E2. Even if the ratio seems bad on bloodwork, if you feel fine then that's what matters, not an arbitrary number.

 

[fire1337]

Just use Eplerenone and go by symptom. It's not inherently dangerous especially at your dose. Get blood work a few days after the dose (nearly) saturates (i.e., at least 3 half lives later), and organ imaging if you're really concerned.

Realistically, I think that looking at your E2 in bloodwork is not the most important thing. I believe you should go by feel since you may feel good having what might be considered high or low E2. Even if the ratio seems bad on bloodwork, if you feel fine then that's what matters, not an arbitrary number.

Will do! Thanks again

 

[SideDeltGod]

50mg eple and 12,5mg hctz

 

[retafied]

50mg eple and 12,5mg hctz

Does the 12.5mg actually help anymore

 

[SideDeltGod]

Does the 12.5mg actually help anymore

a little bit i guess, i just think this combo is the best for long term debloat