Can I still get a teeth gap from maxilla expansion if I have retainers?

[Deleted member 685]

@nelson @Golden Glass @Wincel @SayNoToRotting @GoMadAndSTFU

After my braces I got retainers on my front teeth (both up and down) so I'm guessing I'm safe But I'm not sure

 

[Golden Glass]

This would be counterproductive. The retainer would be applying force to try to keep your maxilla together. Like I said, if the idea of having a gap for some months bothers you, then just softmax. Your mental state likely won't be able to handle any hardmaxes

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

From MSE im pretty sure you will have a big gap , if not it mean that the expension aint working .

From a palate expander i dont know but i would say no , because i dont even know if non chirurgical palate expansion work past puberty.

Sorry for my english.

 

[Deleted member 685]

This would be counterproductive. The retainer would be applying force to try to keep your maxilla together. Like I said, if the idea of having a gap for some months bothers you, then just softmax. Your mental state likely won't be able to handle any hardmaxes

I'm already done softmaxxing. I'm getting a rhino when I'm 18. I need real looksmaxxing now.

How exactly would the retainers stop maxilla expansion tho? Like it's just keeping the front teeth at it's place and keeping them alligned right.

 

[SayNoToRotting]

I am note even sure if you need to have a gap between your teeth after expansion in the first place. that should only occur after rapid maxillary expansion.

 

[Golden Glass]

I'm already done softmaxxing. I'm getting a rhino when I'm 18. I need real looksmaxxing now.
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How exactly would the retainers stop maxilla expansion tho? Like it's just keeping the front teeth at it's place and keeping them alligned right.

because the teeth are like anchors nailed into your maxilla, and the retainers are trying to keep them close together.

Image a plank of wood. Now imagine trying to pull at each end of the wood plank to tear it in half. If you have a lot of nails on the wood, and there's a very strong rope of metal chain pulling all the nails towards each other, it would be far harder to pull at both ends go the wood plank and try to break it.

 

[Deleted member 685]

because the teeth are like anchors nailed into your maxilla, and the retainers are trying to keep them close together.

Image a plank of wood. Now imagine trying to pull at each end of the wood plank to tear it in half. If you have a lot of nails on the wood, and there's a very strong rope of metal chain pulling all the nails towards each other, it would be far harder to pull at both ends go the wood plank and try to break it.

 

[Golden Glass]

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You can still face pull using @nelson 's guides for protraction. But if you expansion your retainers are only going to be working hard to prevent what you're trying to accomplish.

 

[Deleted member 685]

You can still face pull using @nelson 's guides for protraction. But if you expansion your retainers are only going to be working hard to prevent what you're trying to accomplish.

So should I wait till I'm older and go to andreischev in russia?

 

[Golden Glass]

So should I wait till I'm older and go to andreischev in russia?

For what? MSE?

 

[Deleted member 685]

For what? MSE?

That and MSDO yes

 

[Golden Glass]

That and MSDO yes

I guess so, yes. But try to do face pulling asap IMO

 

[Deleted member 685]

I guess so, yes. But try to do face pulling asap IMO

Working on it!

 

[Luke LLL]

This would be counterproductive. The retainer would be applying force to try to keep your maxilla together. Like I said, if the idea of having a gap for some months bothers you, then just softmax. Your mental state likely won't be able to handle any hardmaxes

Do you think closing the gaps after MSE is making the maxilla smaller at all?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Do you think closing the gaps after MSE is making the maxilla smaller at all?

Good question

 

[Golden Glass]

Do you think closing the gaps after MSE is making the maxilla smaller at all?

No it’s not. Because the teeth aren’t being moved where they used to be, take the two front teeth for example, they are going to a spot that didn’t exist before. And teeth by themselves wouldn’t have enough force to make the maxilla smaller, you’d need extractions, as well as improper oral posture (your tongue is what keeps your palate its current shape and size and prevents it from “shrinking”) as long as it’s being held against the roof of the mouth.

 

[Luke LLL]

No it’s not. Because the teeth aren’t being moved where they used to be, take the two front teeth for example, they are going to a spot that didn’t exist before. And teeth by themselves wouldn’t have enough force to make the maxilla smaller, you’d need extractions, as well as improper oral posture (your tongue is what keeps your palate its current shape and size and prevents it from “shrinking”) as long as it’s being held against the roof of the mouth.

Is it possible to get Invisalign with MSE still in to hold the maxilla in place?

 

[Golden Glass]

Is it possible to get Invisalign with MSE still in to hold the maxilla in place?

Do you mean, after expansion, you’d get invasalign to close gaps, but keep the MSE installed to “solidify” your expansion gains?

 

[Luke LLL]

Do you mean, after expansion, you’d get invasalign to close gaps, but keep the MSE installed to “solidify” your expansion gains?

Yes.

 

[Chadelite]

Yes.

How much is the facepuller to build bro?

i have £80 that is it

i can do some unethical stuff tho

And get more

 

[Golden Glass]

Yes.

Then yes. I’m pretty sure you keep the MSE installed for some time after expansion. Similar to how people who get leg lengthening keep the distractors inside their Fermurs or tibias for some time after distraction is complete, and then get them removed.

 

[Luke LLL]

Then yes. I’m pretty sure you keep the MSE installed for some time after expansion. Similar to how people who get leg lengthening keep the distractors inside their Fermurs or tibias for some time after distraction is complete, and then get them removed.

Makes sense, right now I’m working on Invisalign at home with 3d printing

 

[Golden Glass]

Makes sense, right now I’m working on Invisalign at home with 3d printing

you have a 3d printer? I don't even know how those work lmao

 

[Luke LLL]

you have a 3d printer? I don't even know how those work lmao

No, I'm just researching it. It's a part of the Invisalign process though.