Can infraorbital rim implants...

[Deleted member 10449]

Mimic lower eyelid retraction and turn NCT to neutral (without doing any eye surgery only implant)??

 

[Deleted member 7076]

I think it can do it if designed properly

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Apparently custom designed ones can, they cost more

 

[Deleted member 10449]

Apparently custom designed ones can, they cost more

Pretty worth it I d say then, maybe they can give enough imorovement to avoid Taban altogether if lucky

 

[Deleted member 7776]

one of the most useless procedures. mlf3 is so much superior

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Pretty worth it I d say then, maybe they can give enough imorovement to avoid Taban altogether if lucky

Definitely, many of Taban's results look fake, and once you look fake its over. You cannot fix that fake look anymore.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Definitely, many of Taban's results look fake, and once you look fake its over. You cannot fix that fake look anymore.

How come? A lot of Taban's results are incredible. He's a god-tier eye surgeon IMO.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

How come? A lot of Taban's results are incredible. He's a god-tier eye surgeon IMO.

Because he pulls soft-tissue. I'm not saying it cant produce great results this way, its just risky. If it looks 'off', you cant fix it. If there's any way to raise the lower eyelid with an infraorbital implant alone, then always take that option. No infraorbital rim implants have looked fake, its an extremely effective looksmax, just like bimax is.

 

[Deleted member 7747]

I don't think it would.

Infraorbital implants provide lateral projection to the orbital rim and zygomatic arch. It pertains to bone tissue.

A canthoplasty cuts, tightens, and reshapes the ocular muscles or ligaments that give support to the outer corners of the eyelid. It pertains to soft tissue.

Because of it's projection, infraorbital implants could provide a slight 'ledging' of the lateral corner eye, and slightly raise the soft tissue, but it's not going to have an affect on the lateral canthal position of the eye.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Because he pulls soft-tissue. I'm not saying it cant produce great results this way, its just risky. If it looks 'off', you cant fix it. If there's any way to raise the lower eyelid with an infraorbital implant alone, then always take that option. No infraorbital rim implants have looked fake, its an extremely effective looksmax, just like bimax is.

Pretty sure with his experience, he can morph you very realistically according to his own ability and the result wouldn't look that different from the morph. You can decide then if it looks good or bad I guess.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

I don't think it would.

Infraorbital implants provide lateral projection to the orbital rim and zygomatic arch. It pertains to bone tissue.

A canthoplasty cuts, tightens, and reshapes the ocular muscles or ligaments that give support to the outer corners of the eyelid. It pertains to soft tissue.

Because of it's projection, infraorbital implants could provide a slight 'ledging' of the lateral corner eye, and slightly raise the soft tissue, but it's not going to have an affect on the lateral canthal position of the eye.

They can be placed to make the infraorbital rim higher set, achieving a higher set lower eyelid

Look at Melania Trump, I'm sure she went to a top tier surgeon, to either Taban or somebody on his level. Still, it looks fake and shit because its a soft tissue stretch, which is not a look naturally seen on anybody who never had surgery.

 

[Deleted member 7747]

They can be placed to make the infraorbital rim higher set, achieving a higher set lower eyelid
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Look at Melania Trump, I'm sure she went to a top tier surgeon, to either Taban or somebody on his level. Still, it looks fake and shit because its a soft tissue stretch, which is not a look naturally seen on anybody who never had surgery.

Hmm I'm not sure I agree with you man. As you can see, the lateral position of Melania's canthus is positioned higher than her medial canthus. Even without significant projection of her infraobrital rim or zygomatic arch, she would sit have a positive-tilted lateral canthus.

A canthoplasty cuts the superficial lateral palpebral ligament, thus changing the position of the lateral canthus. I'm not sure that solely adding projection to the infraorbital rim is able to augment the canthal position without incising or dissecting the superficial lateral palpebral ligament to release the lateral canthus - which is effectively what a canthoplasty is.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Hmm I'm not sure I agree with you man. As you can see, the lateral position of Melania's canthus is positioned higher than her medial canthus. Even without significant projection of her infraobrital rim or zygomatic arch, she would sit have a positive-tilted lateral canthus.

A canthoplasty cuts the superficial lateral palpebral ligament, thus changing the position of the lateral canthus. I'm not sure that solely adding projection to the infraorbital rim is able to augment the canthal position without incising or dissecting the superficial lateral palpebral ligament to release the lateral canthus - which is effectively what a canthoplasty is.

I agree an implant wouldn't change NCT to PCT, bit it would lift the eyelid enough so that the lower eyelid and upper eyelid are touching on the corner. So you are maximising the aesthetics of your natural canthal tilt. Changing canthal tilt through soft tissue, just looks 'off' to me so many times, but maybe I'm being too scrutinous.

 

[homo_faber]

Apparently custom designed ones can, they cost more

disagree. where is the proof?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

disagree. where is the proof?

'A standard "off the shelf" TT implant is primarily to push the TT area forward, not raise the orbital rim. I frequently "cheat" the implant up a little and cantilever it off the orbital rim, but this can not be more than a millimeter or so. A custom implant can be created to more significantly elevate the rim. This is a bit more complicated and costly, but I am equipped to do it. A bit more challenging when the patient is on the other side of the Atlantic as it requires multiple visits.'

- quote from Dr. Astolakis who's based in Texas.


He did @Looksmax25's custom infraorbital rim implant. Looksmax25 asked him if its possible to raise the lower eyelid and that was the response. Eppley has also claimed its possible, and did it with this patient:

Higher infraorbitals design

Results:

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

'A standard "off the shelf" TT implant is primarily to push the TT area forward, not raise the orbital rim. I frequently "cheat" the implant up a little and cantilever it off the orbital rim, but this can not be more than a millimeter or so. A custom implant can be created to more significantly elevate the rim. This is a bit more complicated and costly, but I am equipped to do it. A bit more challenging when the patient is on the other side of the Atlantic as it requires multiple visits.'

- quote from Dr. Astolakis who's based in Texas.


He did @Looksmax25's custom infraorbital rim implant. Looksmax25 asked him if its possible to raise the lower eyelid and that was the response. Eppley has also claimed its possible, and did it with this patient:

View attachment 801637 Higher infraorbitals design

Results:

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Yeah but looking at clearer pics his under eye looks a bit uncanny

It’s hard to tell looking at the implant placement but certainly here it looks like it only significantly augmented his eyelid around the media canthus giving the lateral area weird, kind of sagging look in comparison

for alot of people looking to get lower eyelid retraction surgery like myself it’s specifically sagging at the lateral area that we want to deal with so this design would not be a good fix by itself


but his medial canthus improved which is interesting doe

@homo_faber

 

[oatmeal]

not standard ones, but I've heard ones that are customized with vertical augmentation can.

 

[catastaire]

Because he pulls soft-tissue. I'm not saying it cant produce great results this way, its just risky. If it looks 'off', you cant fix it. If there's any way to raise the lower eyelid with an infraorbital implant alone, then always take that option. No infraorbital rim implants have looked fake, its an extremely effective looksmax, just like bimax is.

Literally every top tier ocular plastic surgeon performing a canthoplasty or lower-eyelid retraction surgery MUST pull soft tissue that is then anchored to the implant. The theory is that the eyelid cannot withstand the weight of the cheek and thus soft tissue must be pulled and anchored in order for the eyelid to lift up out of its retracted state and pulled right up to the bottom part of the iris.

This is confirmed by Steinsapir and Eppley as well. I believe Eppley also adds in addition a temporal pull too.

Any canthoplasty without cheek pull is likely going to fail.