Just take an Aromatase inhibitor and you should be fine. I recommend a low dose of Arimidex.Before u say 'go do ur own research' ive researched and im getting conflicting answers that's why im asking. Chatgpt is saying if my IGF levels stay too high then my growth plates with ossify or something? please only answers if u actually have knowledge on this and didnt just hear something on TikTok
id rather stick to peptides only atm and ive heard about AIs effect on brain development which I don't wanna fuck with but ill have to look more into it
Gh peptides don't directly fuse your growth plates, but they raises your IGF-1 levels, and IGF-1 stimulates estrogen production through aromatization of testosterone. So you can avoid this by not overdosing (Above 4iu/day), and using aromasin which is a Aromasin inhibitor. Take a low dose of aromasin because having crushed estrogen levels (bellow 10pg/ml) will also accolade plate fusion. Take 6.25mg which is 1/4 of the 25mg pill, every other day with water and a fatty meal. Get monthly bloodwork and ascend.Before u say 'go do ur own research' ive researched and im getting conflicting answers that's why im asking. Chatgpt is saying if my IGF levels stay too high then my growth plates with ossify or something? please only answers if u actually have knowledge on this and didnt just hear something on TikTok
Yeah side effects of having crushed estrogen bellow 10pg/mL, this can be easily avoided by taking small doses and getting monthly bloodwork.
Low dose has little risks imo. .5mg every 3 days is a good dose, its only 5mg a month, many people take way more and are fine. As well, peptides are useless for height growth if your growth plates close.
but isn't the increase in testosterone u get so little from being on CJC and IPA that it wouldn't even be worth taking a AI since you'd barely have more estrogeon? what im mainly wondering is if High IGF levels can cause growth plate closure - not through estrogeon tho
Since its not directly increasing ur testosterone it only increases it by a few percent its really not worth limiting ur estrogeon levels I believe , my main worry is apparently IGF1 itself can directly cause growth plates to fuse sooner not indirectly
nigga what the fuck. no no no.
r u retarded minimum is 5 ius. any less ur gaining very little to no height
jflhighest iq thing u've said
to answer ur question. yeah a little faster than if u did use it without an ai. with an ai using the two would make u taller and close ur plates laterBefore u say 'go do ur own research' ive researched and im getting conflicting answers that's why im asking. Chatgpt is saying if my IGF levels stay too high then my growth plates with ossify or something? please only answers if u actually have knowledge on this and didnt just hear something on TikTok
I did think that was weird what I think he meant was high lvl of IGF slightly increases test leading to more aromatisation of testosterone into estrogeon but it only increases ur test by a few percent not enough to do much
im not actually looking to try grow taller off CJC + IPA im more looking for bone density + gym effects , so im wondering does taking them close my growth plates sooner or just I won't be as tall on them as I would with them + an AI. Id only hop on AI in a year or so if I wasn't happy with my height then but then id probably take HGH instead of CJC + IPA.
ur better off just using HGH then. with HGH ur defo getting the density and gym effects ur looking for. even better igf1 if ur safe with the potential risks. not using AI on these might reduce ur final height by a a tiny bit but by tiny i mean very little. it might also end up making u taller its rlly up to ur genetics.
HGH just seems like a lot of effort compared to peptides tho , im just confused if high IGF lvls would actually cause my growth plates to close sooner , if it was only like 1cm I wouldn't rlly care. from what chatgpt is telling me basically it speeds up my growth but then also speeds up growth plate closure , because my bones grow quicker , but I wanna know if this is actually significant amount or not + in like a year or so if I wasn't happy with my height id 100% get on AI and hgh
height and age?
14.6 , 5'9
since ur young you might aswell not risk growth plate closure. like chatgpt said, it increases plate closure but ALSO increases longitudinal growth speed. and yeah if i had to guess u might loose like a cm, or u could also gain a cm
. worst case u loose like 2cm from ur final height best case add like an inch or 2 or more. do u rlly care about growing taller?
an inch really aint a lot + if I got to like 15.5 and wasn't at least 5'11 id hop on hgh and AI anyways , people tell me im young but I feel like Im gonna run out of time soonsince ur young you might aswell not risk growth plate closure. like chatgpt said, it increases plate closure but ALSO increases longitudinal growth speed. and yeah if i had to guess u might loose like a cm, or u could also gain a cm
I see people that r like 15 getting told its too late for them + after learning about the small sides from peptides I feel like its a waste not running them literally the only deciding factor weather im running them or not is growth plate closure
honestly. if i was you i'd run just gym on the sides and let a heightmax protocol take care of gym. if i could go back to ur age id run 8 ius of hgh with 12.5mg aromasin EODan inch really aint a lot + if I got to like 15.5 and wasn't at least 5'11 id hop on hgh and AI anyways , people tell me im young but I feel like Im gonna run out of time soon
I understand the side effects of hgh can be handled easily but its just a lot of effort , I think of peptides more like a starter to see how stuff goes and how I feel and in the future if needed id run stronger stuff , say I was running peptides from now till like 15 so another 6 months im sure my growth plates wouldn't be effected a lot in that time? then after that , that's when id start considering hgh and AI
but then again I could run and AI because with my peptides cus its not too much hassle. but what's the point of running and AI if im not on test because surely I wouldn't want to drop my estrogeon levels bellow standard because that's when bone and brain development are effected isn't it? or do u want ur estrogeon levels lower then standard to delay growth plates but not so low it effects brain development?
literally this
Does it have any sides when kept in that range? because if not I guess its worth taking just to be careful id just have to go through the hassle of blood tests every now and again , a pill cutter maybe and the money ofcliterally this
maybe. depends on the EXACT e2 levels. if it's around 10pg then u might experienced the slightest low libido, shitter erection and overall shit mood but the slightest and thats even if it happens. 15pg u should be perfect between keeping plates open no sides. then again this is very dependent on genetics and u gotta try it out and see
Do u recon I could run cjc and ipa for 6-8 months , then start on AI or would that be too late and I might've fucked my growth plates by then? id be just turning 15 when id start AI in that case
ur complicating it too much lmao. it prolly wont be too late. if u wanna grow more, use cjc ipa aromasin. if u dont care, js cjc ipa but igf1 lr3/hgh better. if u wanna be on the safe side. just run aromasin till u stop growing or want to stop growing while running cjc ipa or hgh
Literally on org kids experimenting theories on themselves wtf
ok thanks for ur help , I know it probably sounds stupid me talking about my growth plates closing at newly 15 im just cautious thats all ill probably run peptides for 6 months and then consider GH + AI
not rlly a theory, ive read enough roiders' bloodworks on reddit and roid forums to know roughly what e2 levels cause roughly what. but yes it is a estimation of e2 levels and their sides
pretty sure cjc and ipa would give you like 3iu of hgh at most
thing is though, what are prioritising rn
yeah probably but keep in mind thats on top of ur natural production unlike HGH which supresses it for a little bit.
I’m not just talking about e2 I’m talking in general I already have a full course but I don’t wanna share it cause fuck it at the end of the day what’s on papers doesn’t always work the same irl
? the forum posts ive read talk about OPs' bloodwork levels and their moods. but like i said its an estimation. for all we know OP might naturally have 40pg and dropping it to 20 might make him feel like shit. its alll genetics bro
Slight bonemass increase , mainly the gym effects from it - I don't wanna fuck with anything that causes suppression like Roids for now or anything with much sides that's why ive went for peptides
Look in pms
igf1 lr3 definetely or HGH. HGH is just a little bit safer
ok
that goal changes the whole cycle lmfao
like I said peptides is just to get me started in 6 months or so time id likely start HGH
why use peptides to "start" ? is it because ur less experienced with bigger analogues like IGF1 or HGH itself? imo ur way better off starting HGH or igf1 lr3 rnrn
there's just more sides to manage on GH and ipa + cjc just seem easy to start with and moneys a factor
ok tho thing is. cjc + ipa isnt alot of hgh ur getting. defo enough to make some sort of change but not as much as u can. honestly ur better off running just mk677 long term. igf1 lr3 like i said has the most sides but it isnt gonna kill u if u mess it up and be smart with the dosages
