Can leanmaxxing save me or should I continue bloatmaxxing until rope?

[Stevensmithgerard]

I see, was looking up the bones you wrote got me confused af.
I havent tried tindermaxxing or anything, but im gonna try to check if im truly subhuman

idk bro, heres pic with glasses so u can compare with a straight line
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I wouldn't do that to myself. Wait on Tinder until you have done some work. Give it a month or two of hard training first. Get lean. Get great photos. Take it seriously if actually care about slaying

 

[GamerCel]

I wouldn't do that to myself. Wait on Tinder until you have done some work. Give it a month or two of hard training first. Get lean. Get great photos. Take it seriously if actually care about slaying

yeah i meant after looksmaxxings, i would rope if i didnt get matches so im not gonna risk it in my current state

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Obviously 5’8”-5’7” the normal “that’s a manlet” height.
Don’t try to make the jump from 5’11” to 5’5” like that

You can't get a Stacey at 5'7/5'8 with a 6/10 or a 7/10 face. You have to mog the girl to an extent. Either you mog her in the face, jaw or stature.

I'm 5'8 and nothing to brag about, did hit a small handful in college, but there was alcohol involved and I was able to run cute-boy game. Otherwise it's all been Beckys and after college hot girls don't go for cute guys. Being 5'7/5'8 with a competent face doesn't work outside of college unless the Stacey wants a long term relationship with you and you take her out for 10 dinners and impress her parents.

I think now a days it's worse because even decent looking Beckys (Normies) with hot bodies can get their sex needs met with guys 8+ and tall via hookup apps like tinder and bumble. Chads will fuck down to as low as 4/10 granted the body is bangin'.

 

[Stevensmithgerard]

yeah i meant after looksmaxxings, i would rope if i didnt get matches so im not gonna risk it in my current state

Ok got you. You really do have potential, but i would really be thinking about either getting leg lifts, OR tattoomaxxing. RTTMAXXING is legit. Are you willing to become a canvas? You will slay guaranteed if you got some sick tattoos. Fuck muh need my tattoos to have meaning and feeling and be special. Just get some NT shit. Calligraphy, beasts, sacred geometry, ancient symbols (not nazi ffs) etc

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Verdict: If you're 5'7/5'8 with semi attractive face you will be seen as cute. Cute is not masculine. Women above 23 unless they're feminists and wanting a submissive guy for a relationship won't be attracted to you.

 

[Deusmaximus]

Ok got you. You really do have potential, but i would really be thinking about either getting leg lifts, OR tattoomaxxing. RTTMAXXING is legit. Are you willing to become a canvas? You will slay guaranteed if you got some sick tattoos. Fuck muh need my tattoos to have meaning and feeling and be special. Just get some NT shit. Calligraphy, beasts, sacred geometry, ancient symbols (not nazi ffs) etc

At 170 he will look like a small tryhard with rtt. Guys will show him place in the market hyrarchy, and try to fight him.

 

[loksr]

You can't get a Stacey at 5'7/5'8 with a 6/10 or a 7/10 face. You have to mog the girl to an extent. Either you mog her in the face, jaw or stature.

I'm 5'8 and nothing to brag about, did hit a small handful in college, but there was alcohol involved and I was able to run cute-boy game. Otherwise it's all been Beckys and after college hot girls don't go for cute guys. Being 5'7/5'8 with a competent face doesn't work outside of college unless the Stacey wants a long term relationship with you and you take her out for 10 dinners and impress her parents.

I think now a days it's worse because even decent looking Beckys (Normies) with hot bodies can get their sex needs met with guys 8+ and tall via hookup apps like tinder and bumble. Chads will fuck down to as low as 4/10 granted the body is bangin'.

Oh we’re talking about stacies? Yeah maybe not then. Although in my experience stacies have lower standards than lower tier girls (just like chad has lower standards) because they’re not seeking validation in the form of bedding an attractive person.

all this “girls can pick and choose, the taller or better looking or whatever guy will ALWAYS win” but the thing is girls don’t choose, they fuck both

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Oh we’re talking about stacies? Yeah maybe not then. Although in my experience stacies have lower standards than lower tier girls (just like chad has lower standards) because they’re not seeking validation in the form of bedding an attractive person.

all this “girls can pick and choose, the taller or better looking or whatever guy will ALWAYS win” but the thing is girls don’t choose, they fuck both

I agree but you're talking about relationships. In-terms of relationships the most attractive girls have lower body counts and are in longer relationships. Average looking girls have higher body counts and more frequent, shorter relationships.

This too makes it harder to just pump and dump Stacies.+

 

[Casadonis]

At 170 he will look like a small tryhard with rtt. Guys will show him place in the market hyrarchy, and try to fight him.

over for @Amnesia at 5'9

 

[Deusmaximus]

over for @Amnesia at 5'9

You know that he is frauding massive with lifts?

 

[Casadonis]

You know that he is frauding massive with lifts?

which is part of looksmaxxing? You just said looksmaxxing is useless under 180cm

 

[Deleted member 6908]

over for @Amnesia at 5'9

5'9 = 175cm

Not 170cm

5cm is sort of a lot.

Then add his shoes/lifts and his 9/10 full-blooded Chad face

 

[GamerCel]

Ok got you. You really do have potential, but i would really be thinking about either getting leg lifts, OR tattoomaxxing. RTTMAXXING is legit. Are you willing to become a canvas? You will slay guaranteed if you got some sick tattoos. Fuck muh need my tattoos to have meaning and feeling and be special. Just get some NT shit. Calligraphy, beasts, sacred geometry, ancient symbols (not nazi ffs) etc

what is RTTmaxxing? My family is islampilled so tattoomaxxing is a bad idea for me, but I can do it later when i move out and cut contact

At 170 he will look like a small tryhard with rtt. Guys will show him place in the market hyrarchy, and try to fight him.

you need to look as masculine as possible
"tryhard" is giga cope

 

[Casadonis]

what is RTTmaxxing? My family is islampilled so tattoomaxxing is a bad idea for me, but I can do it later when i move out and cut contact

you need to look as masculine as possible
"tryhard" is giga cope

R=Roids T=Tats T=Tan, the typical low class UK dude pretty much

 

[Deusmaximus]

which is part of looksmaxxing? You just said looksmaxxing is useless under 180cm

Dont write wrong stuff!! Give me the quote where i said this.
In my country the absolute cut off is 175cm, and the dating market for guys with average faces is starting at 180cm. If you have top tier face and body, you can have some success between 175 and 180. Over 183cm-195 you can slay even with average or a slightly below average face.
I have 2 4.5psl friends that are 195&197cm, and they got approached in clubs many times just because of their height. They look really dominant and masculine beeing the 2 biggest guys in almost every social setting.
Keep in mind that op is 5cm shorter than 175, which is to small for doing heavy ass surgery for a couple 10k`s.

 

[Mouthbreath]

what is RTTmaxxing? My family is islampilled so tattoomaxxing is a bad idea for me, but I can do it later when i move out and cut contact

you need to look as masculine as possible
"tryhard" is giga cope

if you're 170cm, get some muscle and then lean down to get kind of an mma physique plus big neck and big forearms. don't try to bloat/bear max, it will look bad.

 

[Casadonis]

Dont write wrong stuff!! Give me the quote where i said this.
In my country the absolute cut off is 175cm, and the dating market for guys with average faces is starting at 180cm. If you have top tier face and body, you can have some success between 175 and 180. Over 183cm-195 you can slay even with average or a slightly below average face.
I have 2 4.5psl friends that are 195&197cm, and they got approached in clubs many times just because of their height. They look really dominant and masculine beeing the 2 biggest guys in almost every social setting.
Keep in mind that op is 5cm shorter than 175, which is to small for doing heavy ass surgery for a couple 10k`s.

So you say girls would "NEVER EVER date a guy below 180cm". That to me sounds like looksmaxxing is useless below 180cm or am I wrong? You now going into detail does not mean that your inital statement supports what you write now.

"Never ever date a guy below 180cm" is contrary to "if you have top tier face and body, you can have some success between 175 and 180"

"some success", meanwhile Amnesia at 5'9 banging up to 100 chicks is not slaying? I don't say you aren't at a disadvantage if below 180cm, but your opinion is too heavily influenced by your own experience being below 180cm

 

[Deusmaximus]

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So you say girls would "NEVER EVER date a guy below 180cm". That to me sounds like looksmaxxing is useless below 180cm or am I wrong? You now going into detail does not mean that your inital statement supports what you write now.

"Never ever date a guy below 180cm" is contrary to "if you have top tier face and body, you can have some success between 175 and 180"

"some success", meanwhile Amnesia at 5'9 banging up to 100 chicks is not slaying? I don't say you aren't at a disadvantage if below 180cm, but your opinion is too heavily influenced by your own experience being below 180cm

I am telling what female friends of mine told me. I also seen the guys they dated/fucked, and they where all tall studs. Every second girl on tinder is writing in their bio: „please be above 180“. Btw average in my country is 178cm.
Amnesia is frauding heavy with lifts, and fucked these girls with them.
His last/current gf told him: you would much more attractive with more height.

 

[Littleboy]

Leanmax to get shredded and then muscle up to get cut so to speak.

 

[Casadonis]

I am telling what female friends of mine told me. I also seen the guys they dated/fucked, and they where all tall studs. Every second girl on tinder is writing in their bio: „please be above 180“. Btw average in my country is 178cm.
Amnesia is frauding heavy with lifts, and fucked these girls with them.
His last/current gf told him: you would much more attractive with more height.

Ich kenne Deutschland. Ja, die Mädels schreiben viel wenn der Tag lang ist. Das ist ein Idealbild. Die gehen von einem Normie aus und wollen dann natürlich wenigstens einen Normie mit Körpergröße. Die allermeisten Typen, die ich kenne, die 190cm und aufwärst groß waren, sahen abgrundtief scheiße aus. Klar gibt es ab und zu mal den Typen der das Gesicht und die Größe hat, aber das ist sehr selten. In meiner Schule mit 150 in der Matura gab es keinen.

Wenn du schreibst keiner dated dich unter 180cm und ein Amnesia bumst sich durch die halbe Welt dann ist die Aussage einfach falsch.
Mädchen, außer sie sind 175 aufwärts groß, ähnen überhaupt nicht was 180cm groß ist. Jeder Typ frauded 2-4 cm. Die kapieren null den Unterschied zwischen 178cm und 180cm.

Meine Erfahrung bestätigt auch nicht das was du schreibst. Warum hab ich eine gefickt die im Profil 179cm hatte und in echt eher um die 183cm groß war? Das obwohl ich unter 180cm groß bin? Warum hab mittlerweile mehr als 30 Mädchen flachgelegt? Müsste ja unmöglich sein, wenn wir von deiner Aussage ausgehen. Clubgame ist hart wenn man nicht sonderlich groß ist. Gebe ich dir recht, ist ja auch stockdunkel, face bringt da oft nicht viel. Es ist aber nicht unmöglich. Hatte dort auch oft genug Erfolg, inklusive Vierer.

 

[Stevensmithgerard]

what is RTTmaxxing? My family is islampilled so tattoomaxxing is a bad idea for me, but I can do it later when i move out and cut contact

you need to look as masculine as possible
"tryhard" is giga cope

Yeah, I've learned long ago not to care what people think (in the sense that normies tend to trend towards mediocrity and find it embarrassing to even want to be unique). You have to stand OUT when you aren't giga chad. That's the thing a lot of people do not fully grasp. Yes, it is a bit tryhard to RTT or to be in a band or to buy a Nissan GTR if under 7 PSL and less than 6ft/183cm tall. But what the fuck are you really gonna do otherwise? Dress like a fucking normcore fuck from the GAP or H&M? You wanna drive a Toyota Camry?? Are you gonna play video games at home alone with your MMO buddies? Why is everyone (not you OP) afraid of doing what has been proven to actually work countless times? Why is everyone not seeing the forest for the trees? How many famously SHORT men are out there that absolutely slay? Look, you gotta realize that being short IS a disadvantage. You are going to have to dig deep and find the inner strength to push on and become GREAT in life, for greatness is the only equalizer in this world...

Ok, so why not be a fucking maverick and choose the more difficult path in life? The one that everyone else is so afraid of following.... Why noy get a body like Jeff Seid? Why not count your macros and invest immense money into your body? Why not make a lot of money and get all your surgeries and travel the world? Why not be that tiktok slayer by making tons of slick creative videos? Why not dickmaxx and go to swingers clubs and use onlyfans and be known for your cock prowess? Why not pursue a fulfilling artistic endeavor (acting music art) and be revered for it? Why not dress the part and look like you're absolutely all about your goddamn business? Why not act like you deserve to have it all?

Tell me, do you want to die in obscurity without any amazing stories and life experiences? We all die anyway, and NONE of us will be Julius Agustus Caesar anyway. So why not go balls to the wall, and ascend in every possible facet in life that you possibly can?? It's much more enjoyable that way.

 

[Deleted member 7192]

My height is like 170 and my weight 66 kg, i got decent muscle on legs and arms and shoulder, but some fat around thighs/stomach/chest
Should I even bother leanmaxxing or is semi-bloating the way to go for manlets

my phone camera is dog shit idk why picture is so bright

all this time on the site and you havent leaned down

 

[GamerCel]

all this time on the site and you havent leaned down

been LDARing

 

[Vista]

i got decent muscle on legs and arms and shoulder

my phone camera is dog shit idk why picture is so bright

If you had "decent muscle" you wouldn't weigh 66kg, bulk up until you actually start developing decent muscle (at least proficient on symetric strength https://symmetricstrength.com/) then think about lean maxxxing. If you cut now with your "decent muscle" you will look like a jew.

 

[Mr.cope]

5’6 brutal

 

[GamerCel]

5’6 brutal

 

[Deleted member 9586]

Yo shit, ngl, your lower tier is kinda decent.

I think your mandible is VERY GOOD

Strengths of your mandible:

1. Parallel to the ground (Straight as fuck)
2. Lengthy. Elongated mandible. It comes long and far.
3. Your gonial angle is strong. VERY STRONG INFACT.

I know however WHY your jaw doesn't stand-out as much as it could or at least not from the front and I could be wrong. PSL autists, do correct me. Your ramus is on the short-side. It's the bone that comes down from the ear-lobe to the bottom of the gonial angle. Women are supposed to have a short ramus and men a long one. Yours is short. However your mandible is very long and strong. So your lower-tier is strong and looks good, but depending on whether you make exception for the short ramus. I can see some girls finding you attractive and some not, simply because of the shorter Ramus. Subliminally this is what they pick-up.

Your mouth and chin area are also very strong.

Your lower tier is your strength.

Your eye-area may be what's holding you back. Again a psl autist can correct me but your eyes are close-set I think? Meaning close-together. Mine are close-together too. It takes away from the strength of the lower-tier by giving off the impression of weak-genes. I dunno why. Could be wrong. If he doesn't have low IPD correct me psl autists.

Your nose has a slight downward slope at the end. This could also be holding you back. Black guys like Usher as a celebrity example can rock-that but not ethnics. You have star-trek, geek appeal. You're a semi good looking geek. The eyes make ya look a bit of a geek for some reason, but one girls could be drawn to if ya had a better body.

You're 170cm which is 5'7 and that's an instant failo. I'm 5'8 and trust me, you need leg lengthening but I wouldn't get it unless you are down for going through the trenches. I know they'll be a twit on here that reads this and tells you not to and to just use lifts, as if it's comfortable wearing fucking cushions in your footwear everywhere you go.

Overall you're about a high-tier normie. Photos distort your real rating. I had a feeling you';d look a bit better in video.

I don't know if there's surgery for your ramus, so your jaw is more prominent from a front-view. Your maxillary positioning is solid without being great. Weaknesses are close-set eyes and orbital rims and slightly the nose. You may have a tiny bit of a long-face, could be wrong, but not much. That's your midface ratio btw.

Halos and failos combined in your face. Height means the failos could stand-out more depending on the girl. A Stacey will see the failos and I think you know that.

I honestly don't think he's lacking ramus. His ramus looks better than most people, especially on his right side.

What he does lack are good cheekbone definition. pause the video he posted right when u can view his 3/4 angle, it looks flat.

He seems to be having a recessed maxilla combined with undefined zygos (even though it's not accurate enough to judge if maxillas are recessed or not just by looking at them, you need more tools to accurately measure that)

 

[Deleted member 8846]

Recently leanmaxxed and now I'm freezing everywhere and I feel like a low t twink

 

[Highrise]

you lack the bones to look good lean, you will look auschwitzmaxxed which is unattractive. i speak from experience.

Same. I look like a holocaust survivor when Auschwitz maxed. No bone support. Just picked on.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

I honestly don't think he's lacking ramus. His ramus looks better than most people, especially on his right side.

What he does lack are good cheekbone definition. pause the video he posted right when u can view his 3/4 angle, it looks flat.

He seems to be having a recessed maxilla combined with undefined zygos (even though it's not accurate enough to judge if maxillas are recessed or not just by looking at them, you need more tools to accurately measure that)

Yeqh I corrected myself in saying he doesn't have a ramus

He does

It's his dumb sideburns that created the illusion that he was lacking.

What is his midface like?

 

[Deleted member 6908]

5’6 brutal

Isn't 170 5'7?

 

[Deleted member 9586]

Yeqh I corrected myself in saying he doesn't have a ramus

He does

It's his dumb sideburns that created the illusion that he was lacking.

What is his midface like?

midface falios:
->nose is a bit too pointy(protrudes more than ideal)
->nose is downturned which isn't ideal(slightly upturned noses where you can see a little bit of nostrils are ideal fs)
->lack of zygomatic bones projection

midface pros:
->ideal fwhr(facial width to height ratio)
->very little UEE(upper eyelid exposure)
->nice long eyelashes

His eye area seems to be decent tbh

 

[Mr.cope]

Isn't 170 5'7?

Idk its one if them

 

[Deleted member 6908]

midface falios:
->nose is a bit too pointy(protrudes more than ideal)
->nose is downturned which isn't ideal(slightly upturned noses where you can see a little bit of nostrils are ideal fs)
->lack of zygomatic bones projection

midface pros:
->ideal fwhr(facial width to height ratio)
->very little UEE(upper eyelid exposure)
->nice long eyelashes

His eye area seems to be decent tbh

His eye-area seems dead to me. The eyes themselves. Dunno what you're seeing. Agree with everything else you've said.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Idk its one if them

Yeah it's 5'7 not 5'6

I'm 173cm and exactly 5'8 so I know. One inch = 2.54cm.

 

[SeiGun]

you should leanmax under 60 kg range with that height, its when your bone started showing

 

[Deleted member 9586]

His eye-area seems dead to me. The eyes themselves. Dunno what you're seeing. Agree with everything else you've said.

his IPD(Inter-Pupillary Distance) seems to be fairly narrow. His eyes' vertical lengths are not the best but definitely not the worst.

Although his PFL(Palpebral Fissure Length) seems to be less which isn't ideal ofcourse. Other than that he doesn't have scleral show, nice long lashes.

Only if he had wider PFL and wider IPD i think his eye area would ascend greatly.

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

My height is like 170 and my weight 66 kg, i got decent muscle on legs and arms and shoulder, but some fat around thighs/stomach/chest
Should I even bother leanmaxxing or is semi-bloating the way to go for manlets

my phone camera is dog shit idk why picture is so bright

Average FACE but incel height and frame. It's over for you in 2020.

 

[GamerCel]

Average FACE but incel height and frame. It's over for you in 2020.

twink cope, how the fuck am i framecel?

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

twink cope, how the fuck am i framecel?

66kg at 170cm is framecel status.