Can somebody explain to me whats the ideal bodyfat for hormones?

[Rabbi]

I kinda understand the concept that fat cells aromatise test into estrogen

Obesity is associated with inflammation and elevated aromatase expression in the mouse mammary gland

Elevated circulating estrogen levels are associated with increased risk of breast cancer in obese postmenopausal women. Following menopause, the biosynthesis of estrogens through CYP19 (aromatase)-mediated metabolism of androgen precursors occurs primarily ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

But how does it work.
I heard more plates more dates say essentially the more bf% you have the greater the conversion of test ---> estrogen
So that being said whats the optimal bf% range for optimizing test and E levels for younger dudes not on T?
Any studies out on this

 

[Ocelot]

Low leptin (made by adipose tissue) is a signal for the testes to produce less T. Below 6-8% in most people T starts to plummet.

 

[Rabbi]

Low leptin (made by adipose tissue) is a signal for the testes to produce less T. Below 6-8% in most people T starts to plummet.

So whats ideal range then for optimal T and E? I am hovering around 12-14% bodyfat rn
I would never cut to 8% unless I wanted to lose my boner tbh.

 

[HurtfulVanity]

Skinnyfat

 

[Rabbi]

Skinnyfat

Over if your genetics are trash enough to allow that.

 

[Deleted member 5292]

9 to 12 % in men.

 

[Deleted member 6963]

12-15 probably. With a decent amount of muscles.



Funny to see how some ripped guys have "low t". He explains that the reason is most likely too low bf.

 

[Rabbi]

12-15 probably. With a decent amount of muscles.



Funny to see how some ripped guys have "low t". He explains that the reason is most likely too low bf.

Will watch rn thanks.
I saw a Jeff Nippard video on it a while back where they followed a completely natural bodybuilder and tracked his hormones,
They dropped to almost half T levels when he went below 8% I believe.

 

[Ocelot]

So whats ideal range then for optimal T and E? I am hovering around 12-14% bodyfat rn
I would never cut to 8% unless I wanted to lose my boner tbh.

Optimally we should adjust for BF distribution since fat is more or less hormonogenic depending on where it is. Fat in the waist is usually more responsible for aromatisation. I guess this can be ignored unless you store noticeably more fat in the waist than other areas.

I'm going off memory here but adverse hormonal changes begin to show when your body is on it's last reserves of energy storage (subcutaneous) fat. Essential fat is around 3-5% in men, and optimal storage fat for hormones to not get fucked is around 5-7%.

So 10-12% is ideal if you can maintain it. Bothering with 1-2% differences won't make much of a difference when it comes to hormones. Below 8% BF is classified as unhealthy for the average man with the average fat distribution.
Above 15% is not ideal. So a relaxed range to stay in for a young adult year-round would be 10-15%.

 

[Rabbi]

Optimally we should adjust for BF distribution since fat is more or less hormonogenic depending on where it is. Fat in the waist is usually more responsible for aromatisation. I guess this can be ignored unless you store noticeably more fat in the waist than other areas.

I'm going off memory here but adverse hormonal changes begin to show when your body is on it's last reserves of energy storage (subcutaneous) fat. Essential fat is around 3-5% in men, and optimal storage fat for hormones to not get fucked is around 5-7%.

So 10-12% is ideal if you can maintain it. Bothering with 1-2% differences won't make much of a difference when it comes to hormones. Below 8% BF is classified as unhealthy for the average man with the average fat distribution.
Above 15% is not ideal. So a relaxed range to stay in for a young adult year-round would be 10-15%.

Ah right I should probably cut a bit more if thats the case.
Fuck my curry genes I store fat in the waist very quickly when I bulk up

 

[Ocelot]

Ah right I should probably cut a bit more if thats the case.
Fuck my curry genes I store fat in the waist very quickly when I bulk up

If you aren't getting boners at 8% it's not worth it cutting below 10% tbh.
In the case of Indians, many phenotypes simply have a greater number of adipocytes which are larger than other phenotypes too. This makes losing fat around the waist (depending on how bad this affects someone) more difficult.

You might have to cut to unhealthy levels to even begin running through these fat stores. After all, this is probably an adaptation for famine survival.