Can you expand your palate at home? - High IQ Thread -

[nandor]

The answer is yes, ONLY IF YOUR MIDPALATE SUTURE IS NOT FUSED

This whole thread will mainly talk about the midpalate suture and the different stages of fusion, leading to the answer of the question above.

If you want to learn more about Palate Expansion in general read this thread for a general idea on what we are talking about

Maxilla/Palate Expansion

Thread doesnt really have one singular purpose, just some general info on the subject First off there are two ways to expand the maxilla: Expansion via bone remodeling This is done by following Wolff's law, applying a constant force to the palate (mewing) will apply an outward pressure on the...

looksmax.org

From what i have investigated, i have some differences with the the thread i just mentioned, but still its good shit in general and covers a lot of stuff i wont touch in this thread.

-First of all, we should know how palate expansions are usually made, and the 3 main methods that the orthodontics use.
Rapid maxillary expansion (RME), which presents dental support and is indicated in growing patients, the ideal age being 6-7 years. Maxillary expansion with skeletal support (MARPE), indicated for those cases where the dental support is compromised or they are in adulthood with the suture partially closed. And finally the surgically assisted rapid expansion of the maxilla (SARPE).
Basically, the method used corresponds to the level of fusion your midpalate suture has.

The morphology and maturation of the midpalate suture have been investigated in numerous studies, and have shown that the variability in the maturation stages of the midpalate suture is not directly related to chronological age. Some authors have establish the age of ossification at 17 years, while others differentiate by sex, with the age limit for women being 16 years and 18 for men. And yet other scientists determine a broader age range between 15-19 years, finding people with open sutures up to 32 years of age.
The age of ossification is not well defined but we can have an idea.

Then some gigachad authors came and determined five stages of maturation (A, B, C, D, E) without giving a fuck about your age as a way of providing more reliable clinical data when making the decision between rapid maxillary expansion (RME) or surgically assisted rapid maxillary expansion (SARPE).

𝙄𝙣 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘼: 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘽: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚. 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘾: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 2 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧, 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨 (𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙬𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙤𝙧 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧 𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘿: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙫𝙚𝙙, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙯𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚, 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙪𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 . 𝙋𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙚𝙙 (𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮) 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮. 𝙄𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚, 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙮𝙚𝙩 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙙, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙀: 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨. 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖. 𝘽𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙖𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚.

Said classification, as i mentioned before, is useful when choosing between orthopedic and surgical expansion. In groups A, B and C, skeletal expansion could be managed using RME devices, but in the more mature groups, D and E, MARPE and SARPE would be an alternative.

Taking all of this information into account, you should take a pic of the inside of your palate and check in what stage you are, if you are in stage A, B or C, YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR PALATE AT HOME via thumbpulling (search threads that teach you how to do it, its pretty basic stuff) and mewing (probably takes longer), BUT if you are in stage D or E then ITS OVER, you should visit an orthodontist and aim to get SARPE if you want any palate expansion and all the gainz of it.

 

[nandor]

Just to clarify i got all of this information off different scientific studies in spanish and translated them manually to english (except for the explanation of the stages that i just copy and pasted to google translator to keep the specific language used)

 

[nandor]

@Pakicel @Octillionaire @pneumocystosis @TheMewingBBC @AverageTevvezFan @thecel @gymislife @Alexanderr @Zeusus @Mr.cope

 

[pneumocystosis]

God this thread is amazing.
New information is always greatly appreciated.
Lifefuel for me too because it seems I’m stage C somehow.

Top-tier, high effort!
Great stuff!


Greycels carrying the forum again jfl

 

[nandor]

God this thread is amazing.
New information is always greatly appreciated.
Lifefuel for me too because it seems I’m stage C somehow.

Top-tier, high effort!
Great stuff!


Greycels carrying the forum again jfl

thanks bro appreciate it, honestly i just lurk from time to time and i dont post enough to stop being a greycel lol but i found this good info and though shit i would make one of those threads that get thousands of views, jfl this is getting hella ignored

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

Good post. Why am I on your tag list though?

 

[nandor]

Good post. Why am I on your tag list though?

dont know just started tagging people that are in the best of the best section

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

dont know just started tagging people that are in the best of the best section

Fair enough.

 

[Ringtaker]

Dnrd but Argentina 2022 champs.

 

[nandor]

Dnrd but Argentina 2022 champs.

i hope so

 

[Ringtaker]

You Argentine?

 

[Giorgio]

expanding without SARPE is not ideal even if you can, because the risk of asymmetry is high and the nasal base will also expand

 

[Giorgio]

YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR PALATE AT HOME via thumbpulling

bad advice, thumb pulling will only move your teeth - hard mewing can also just move/tilt the teeth

 

[nandor]

expanding without SARPE is not ideal even if you can, because the risk of asymmetry is high and the nasal base will also expand

if you are not going for a lot of mm its not going to be bad

 

[nandor]

bad advice, thumb pulling will only move your teeth - hard mewing can also just move/tilt the teeth

why? explain yourself

 

[Giorgio]

if you are not going for a lot of mm its not going to be bad

you won't even split the palate with your finger JFL

why? explain yourself

what is there to explain? the alveolar bone teeth are anchored in moves far more easily than actual skeletal bone of the maxilla

and kind of technique that is not anchored to bone like an actual expander will mostly move teeth

 

[nandor]

what is there to explain? the alveolar bone teeth are anchored in moves far more easily than actual skeletal bone of the maxilla

and kind of technique that is not anchored to bone like an actual expander will mostly move teeth

not true, just look up how a lot of palate expanders work and a lot of them dont involve being anchored to the bone (ALF, AGGA, vivos DNA, etc) you just made that up lol

 

[Giorgio]

AGGA

sure buddy go ahead and thumb pull
I'm not stopping you

and I'm not going to argue, plenty info already for you to educate yourself, both on here and on the internet in general

 

[nandor]

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sure buddy go ahead and thumb pull
I'm not stopping you

and I'm not going to argue, plenty info already for you to educate yourself, both on here and on the internet in general

same goes for you bro, you are just a dennier, sure that any real palate expansion methods are better, but you can just search the ammount of force palate expandors use and see that is way less than the ammount of force your thumbs can do, thats just facts
the only thing that can stop you its in what stage your midplate suture is as you cant open the suture without surgery
you are probably a mewing denier too arent you?

 

[caveman]

expanding without SARPE is not ideal even if you can, because the risk of asymmetry is high and the nasal base will also expand

then what can 21 year old do to fix narrow upper palete

 

[Preoximerianas]

IDK if mine are open, I can see a visible dark line on the uvula but a solid white line from there to the bone at the midpoint of the front upper mouth (don't know what it's called). From there I can see another visible dark line that runs through that.

 

[Giorgio]

same goes for you bro, you are just a dennier, sure that any real palate expansion methods are better, but you can just search the ammount of force palate expandors use and see that is way less than the ammount of force your thumbs can do, thats just facts
the only thing that can stop you its in what stage your midplate suture is as you cant open the suture without surgery
you are probably a mewing denier too arent you?

how old are you?

then what can 21 year old do to fix narrow upper palete

SARPE/DOME/EASE, or MARPE
the standards approach orthodontists use

 

[nandor]

how old are you?

11, thanks for bumping the post bro

 

[caveman]

how old are you?


SARPE/DOME/EASE, or MARPE
the standards approach orthodontists use

can i have something done while under for double jaw surgery(i have a overbite)

 

[Giorgio]

can i have something done while under for double jaw surgery(i have a overbite)

no, palate expansion is always done first, that is the convention
I think palate expansion is off the table once you've gotten a DJS, but don't quote me on that maybe years after the surgery it can be done

palate expansion also takes about 6 (or more) months, and you need to wear braces afterwards
but I'm pretty sure the need from braces from the expansion and from DJS can be done at the same time

I also most likely will go for a DJS after I've gotten my palate expansion

 

[Deleted member 21146]

Sumarize in 5 words pls

 

[Deleted member 18361]

love how this says high iq thread

 

[nandor]

love how this says high iq thread

haHAHAH yeah i thought people would enter if it says high iq thread, at least to roast me lol

 

[caveman]

no, palate expansion is always done first, that is the convention
I think palate expansion is off the table once you've gotten a DJS, but don't quote me on that maybe years after the surgery it can be done

palate expansion also takes about 6 (or more) months, and you need to wear braces afterwards
but I'm pretty sure the need from braces from the expansion and from DJS can be done at the same time

I also most likely will go for a DJS after I've gotten my palate expansion

is your palete narrow?

 

[Giorgio]

is your palete narrow?

yes, I have teeth crowding on both upper and lower dental arch

 

[onlyhereforheight]

The answer is yes, ONLY IF YOUR MIDPALATE SUTURE IS NOT FUSED

This whole thread will mainly talk about the midpalate suture and the different stages of fusion, leading to the answer of the question above.

If you want to learn more about Palate Expansion in general read this thread for a general idea on what we are talking about

Maxilla/Palate Expansion

Thread doesnt really have one singular purpose, just some general info on the subject First off there are two ways to expand the maxilla: Expansion via bone remodeling This is done by following Wolff's law, applying a constant force to the palate (mewing) will apply an outward pressure on the...

looksmax.org

From what i have investigated, i have some differences with the the thread i just mentioned, but still its good shit in general and covers a lot of stuff i wont touch in this thread.

-First of all, we should know how palate expansions are usually made, and the 3 main methods that the orthodontics use.
Rapid maxillary expansion (RME), which presents dental support and is indicated in growing patients, the ideal age being 6-7 years. Maxillary expansion with skeletal support (MARPE), indicated for those cases where the dental support is compromised or they are in adulthood with the suture partially closed. And finally the surgically assisted rapid expansion of the maxilla (SARPE).
Basically, the method used corresponds to the level of fusion your midpalate suture has.

The morphology and maturation of the midpalate suture have been investigated in numerous studies, and have shown that the variability in the maturation stages of the midpalate suture is not directly related to chronological age. Some authors have establish the age of ossification at 17 years, while others differentiate by sex, with the age limit for women being 16 years and 18 for men. And yet other scientists determine a broader age range between 15-19 years, finding people with open sutures up to 32 years of age.
The age of ossification is not well defined but we can have an idea.

Then some gigachad authors came and determined five stages of maturation (A, B, C, D, E) without giving a fuck about your age as a way of providing more reliable clinical data when making the decision between rapid maxillary expansion (RME) or surgically assisted rapid maxillary expansion (SARPE).


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𝙄𝙣 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘼: 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘽: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚. 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘾: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 2 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧, 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨 (𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙬𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙤𝙧 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧 𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘿: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙫𝙚𝙙, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙯𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚, 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙪𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 . 𝙋𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙚𝙙 (𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮) 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮. 𝙄𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚, 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙮𝙚𝙩 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙙, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙀: 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨. 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖. 𝘽𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙖𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚.

Said classification, as i mentioned before, is useful when choosing between orthopedic and surgical expansion. In groups A, B and C, skeletal expansion could be managed using RME devices, but in the more mature groups, D and E, MARPE and SARPE would be an alternative.

Taking all of this information into account, you should take a pic of the inside of your palate and check in what stage you are, if you are in stage A, B or C, YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR PALATE AT HOME via thumbpulling (search threads that teach you how to do it, its pretty basic stuff) and mewing (probably takes longer), BUT if you are in stage D or E then ITS OVER, you should visit an orthodontist and aim to get SARPE if you want any palate expansion and all the gainz of it.

Could you still forwardly thumbpull if you’re in D? Also, what is the little scribble supposed to represent in the middle of the palate. (In the diagram)

 

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Could you still forwardly thumbpull if you’re in D? Also, what is the little scribble supposed to represent in the middle of the palate. (In the diagram)

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The answer is yes, ONLY IF YOUR MIDPALATE SUTURE IS NOT FUSED

This whole thread will mainly talk about the midpalate suture and the different stages of fusion, leading to the answer of the question above.

If you want to learn more about Palate Expansion in general read this thread for a general idea on what we are talking about

Maxilla/Palate Expansion

Thread doesnt really have one singular purpose, just some general info on the subject First off there are two ways to expand the maxilla: Expansion via bone remodeling This is done by following Wolff's law, applying a constant force to the palate (mewing) will apply an outward pressure on the...

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From what i have investigated, i have some differences with the the thread i just mentioned, but still its good shit in general and covers a lot of stuff i wont touch in this thread.

-First of all, we should know how palate expansions are usually made, and the 3 main methods that the orthodontics use.
Rapid maxillary expansion (RME), which presents dental support and is indicated in growing patients, the ideal age being 6-7 years. Maxillary expansion with skeletal support (MARPE), indicated for those cases where the dental support is compromised or they are in adulthood with the suture partially closed. And finally the surgically assisted rapid expansion of the maxilla (SARPE).
Basically, the method used corresponds to the level of fusion your midpalate suture has.

The morphology and maturation of the midpalate suture have been investigated in numerous studies, and have shown that the variability in the maturation stages of the midpalate suture is not directly related to chronological age. Some authors have establish the age of ossification at 17 years, while others differentiate by sex, with the age limit for women being 16 years and 18 for men. And yet other scientists determine a broader age range between 15-19 years, finding people with open sutures up to 32 years of age.
The age of ossification is not well defined but we can have an idea.

Then some gigachad authors came and determined five stages of maturation (A, B, C, D, E) without giving a fuck about your age as a way of providing more reliable clinical data when making the decision between rapid maxillary expansion (RME) or surgically assisted rapid maxillary expansion (SARPE).


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𝙄𝙣 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘼: 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘽: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚. 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘾: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 2 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧, 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨 (𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙬𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙤𝙧 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧 𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘿: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙫𝙚𝙙, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙯𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚, 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙪𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 . 𝙋𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙚𝙙 (𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮) 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮. 𝙄𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚, 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙮𝙚𝙩 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙙, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙀: 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨. 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖. 𝘽𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙖𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚.

Said classification, as i mentioned before, is useful when choosing between orthopedic and surgical expansion. In groups A, B and C, skeletal expansion could be managed using RME devices, but in the more mature groups, D and E, MARPE and SARPE would be an alternative.

Taking all of this information into account, you should take a pic of the inside of your palate and check in what stage you are, if you are in stage A, B or C, YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR PALATE AT HOME via thumbpulling (search threads that teach you how to do it, its pretty basic stuff) and mewing (probably takes longer), BUT if you are in stage D or E then ITS OVER, you should visit an orthodontist and aim to get SARPE if you want any palate expansion and all the gainz of it.

I have a straight line on the mid palate

The answer is yes, ONLY IF YOUR MIDPALATE SUTURE IS NOT FUSED

This whole thread will mainly talk about the midpalate suture and the different stages of fusion, leading to the answer of the question above.

If you want to learn more about Palate Expansion in general read this thread for a general idea on what we are talking about

Maxilla/Palate Expansion

Thread doesnt really have one singular purpose, just some general info on the subject First off there are two ways to expand the maxilla: Expansion via bone remodeling This is done by following Wolff's law, applying a constant force to the palate (mewing) will apply an outward pressure on the...

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From what i have investigated, i have some differences with the the thread i just mentioned, but still its good shit in general and covers a lot of stuff i wont touch in this thread.

-First of all, we should know how palate expansions are usually made, and the 3 main methods that the orthodontics use.
Rapid maxillary expansion (RME), which presents dental support and is indicated in growing patients, the ideal age being 6-7 years. Maxillary expansion with skeletal support (MARPE), indicated for those cases where the dental support is compromised or they are in adulthood with the suture partially closed. And finally the surgically assisted rapid expansion of the maxilla (SARPE).
Basically, the method used corresponds to the level of fusion your midpalate suture has.

The morphology and maturation of the midpalate suture have been investigated in numerous studies, and have shown that the variability in the maturation stages of the midpalate suture is not directly related to chronological age. Some authors have establish the age of ossification at 17 years, while others differentiate by sex, with the age limit for women being 16 years and 18 for men. And yet other scientists determine a broader age range between 15-19 years, finding people with open sutures up to 32 years of age.
The age of ossification is not well defined but we can have an idea.

Then some gigachad authors came and determined five stages of maturation (A, B, C, D, E) without giving a fuck about your age as a way of providing more reliable clinical data when making the decision between rapid maxillary expansion (RME) or surgically assisted rapid maxillary expansion (SARPE).


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𝙄𝙣 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘼: 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘽: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚. 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘾: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙨 2 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙡, 𝙨𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙, 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧, 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨 (𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙬𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚). 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖 𝙨𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙤𝙧 𝙞𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧 𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝘿: 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙫𝙚𝙙, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙯𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚, 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙪𝙨𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 . 𝙋𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙚𝙙 (𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮) 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙗𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮. 𝙄𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚, 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙮𝙚𝙩 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙙, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙨𝙢𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙤𝙬-𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙜𝙖𝙥𝙨.
𝙄𝙣 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙀: 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙙𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖 𝙤𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙨. 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡 𝙨𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙫𝙞𝙨𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙖. 𝘽𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙖𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚.

Said classification, as i mentioned before, is useful when choosing between orthopedic and surgical expansion. In groups A, B and C, skeletal expansion could be managed using RME devices, but in the more mature groups, D and E, MARPE and SARPE would be an alternative.

Taking all of this information into account, you should take a pic of the inside of your palate and check in what stage you are, if you are in stage A, B or C, YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR PALATE AT HOME via thumbpulling (search threads that teach you how to do it, its pretty basic stuff) and mewing (probably takes longer), BUT if you are in stage D or E then ITS OVER, you should visit an orthodontist and aim to get SARPE if you want any palate expansion and all the gainz of it.