Cardio is bullshit

[Zeus]

This is the worst thread ever.

Then don't comment you unperceptive cunt.
You took your shitty circle jerk time of posting shitty memes to write that shit and yet you didn't contribute any shit.
Go ahead and wank yourself to sleep while thinking of your validation you got from that comment, pathetic piece of shit.

Go ahead and bark with your shitty memes and incel responses

 

[The Dude Abides]

Did you really post an hour long vid without giving us the main points? You gave no one any incentive to watch it other than "I'm right heres proof". Do you also watch the news and believe every word? Why the fuck would you just slap someone elses opinion on here and expect any logical discourse to take place?

 

[Zeus]

Did you really post an hour long vid without giving us the main points? You gave no one any incentive to watch it other than "I'm right heres proof". Do you also watch the news and believe every word? Why the fuck would you just slap someone elses opinion on here and expect any logical discourse to take place?

I don't need you to believe shit, could not care less lol. Putting it out there for people that have the balls to be confronted in their ideas

 

[Wannabe6ft2]

You don’t need cardio for a good physique. For looksmaxing purposes it is worthless

 

[Cretinous]

I didnt watch because I'm guessing I'm familiar with the source material.

Back in the 1970s the late genius (and i dont use the word lightly, the man's IQ was probably at the genius level) Arthur Jones challenged the then cardio-dominated establishment in exercise physiology by suggesting that resistance training was not only a sufficient activity for building cardiovascular endurance (or "condition" or "wind") but that even that it was potentially superior. Arthurs rationale was a logical one: Theres no such thing as separately working the skeletal muscle and the cardiovascular system, they work together, unavoidably. "cardio" training IS working the skeletal muscles. Working the skeletal muscles IS working the cardiovascular system. This is obvious. His position was the reason bodybuilders and other strength athletes didnt display good endurance is because they took long breaks between exercises and sets, so while say, a set of heavy squats is capable of placing enormous demand on the system, the average lifter would wait until his heart rate had come back down and he had caught his breath instead of sustaining that intensity by continuing to work without rest.

Jones would later more or less prove this in a study conducted with the west point military academy, where the High Intensity Training group had superior results in cardio testing than the traditional cardio and calisthenics group.

Jones also theorized that there was another factor such style of training produced, that was not yet observed biologically, and that was the ability to sustain high intensities of work for longer, he theorized that it was due to improving the bodies ability to clear the metabolic waste products and coined the term "metabolic conditioning" (if any crossfit fag tells you crossfit came up with met-con, they're full of shit. It predates crossfit by about 30 years.)

The problem is Jones' style of training was extremely difficult. It never became very popular and was often watered down even by its fanatics because it was hard to achieve consistently without someone pushing you like a drill instructor (or in the case of jones, a bombastic manlet with a propensity and reputation for violence. We're talking about a man arnold schwarzenegger was scared of despite being twice his size) and in the unconditioned often resulted in vomiting and sometimes even passing out.

i would also add after reading your posts, its not simply "work out to failure = same results as hours of cardio". Thats really not true. The benefits of "cardio" training come from getting the heart rate high and SUSTAINING that for a long period of time (e.g 20 to 30 minutes or even 45 or more). These benefits can be achieved doing weight lifting, but the key here is SUSTAINED effort. Merely lifting to positive muscular failure and then taking rests wont do it.

 

[Zeus]

I didnt watch because I'm guessing I'm familiar with the source material.

Back in the 1970s the late genius (and i dont use the word lightly, the man's IQ was probably at the genius level) Arthur Jones challenged the then cardio-dominated establishment in exercise physiology by suggesting that resistance training was not only a sufficient activity for building cardiovascular endurance (or "condition" or "wind") but that even that it was potentially superior. Arthurs rationale was a logical one: Theres no such thing as separately working the skeletal muscle and the cardiovascular system, they work together, unavoidably. "cardio" training IS working the skeletal muscles. Working the skeletal muscles IS working the cardiovascular system. This is obvious. His position was the reason bodybuilders and other strength athletes didnt display good endurance is because they took long breaks between exercises and sets, so while say, a set of heavy squats is capable of placing enormous demand on the system, the average lifter would wait until his heart rate had come back down and he had caught his breath instead of sustaining that intensity by continuing to work without rest.

Jones would later more or less prove this in a study conducted with the west point military academy, where the High Intensity Training group had superior results in cardio testing than the traditional cardio and calisthenics group.

Jones also theorized that there was another factor such style of training produced, that was not yet observed biologically, and that was the ability to sustain high intensities of work for longer, he theorized that it was due to improving the bodies ability to clear the metabolic waste products and coined the term "metabolic conditioning" (if any crossfit fag tells you crossfit came up with met-con, they're full of shit. It predates crossfit by about 30 years.)

The problem is Jones' style of training was extremely difficult. It never became very popular and was often watered down even by its fanatics because it was hard to achieve consistently without someone pushing you like a drill instructor (or in the case of jones, a bombastic manlet with a propensity and reputation for violence. We're talking about a man arnold schwarzenegger was scared of despite being twice his size) and in the unconditioned often resulted in vomiting and sometimes even passing out.

i would also add after reading your posts, its not simply "work out to failure = same results as hours of cardio". Thats really not true. The benefits of "cardio" training come from getting the heart rate high and SUSTAINING that for a long period of time (e.g 20 to 30 minutes or even 45 or more). These benefits can be achieved doing weight lifting, but the key here is SUSTAINED effort. Merely lifting to positive muscular failure and then taking rests wont do it.

You are not familiar. It's not based on this study at all

 

[Cretinous]

You are not familiar. It's not based on this study at all

"Despite his clear academic focus in the area of exercise science, James also has many other areas of interest on which he occasionally writes when the time permits at jamessteelii.blogspot.com, one of these topics being philosophy. James has always taken an interest in the nature of the universe and man's relationship to it yet never had a conceptual framework for which to understand it. A few years ago whilst reading Mike Mentzers books on High Intensity Training James was introduced to a philosophical perspective on exercise based around reason and logic. It was from here that he was introduced to philosophy as a subject to study and more specifically Ayn Rand's Objectivism. Since then James has dedicated time in his personal life to further his knowledge on all areas of philosophy, and specifically Objectivism, providing himself with an armchair philosopher's perspective on the universe, man and life."

I said I'm familiar with the source material. And I am. The source of this belief is Arthur Jones and his theories on high intensity training, which Mentzer, a student of Jones in the latter part of his bbing career, would later water down in a retarded manner and combine with Randian philosophy, which he was obsessed with, and make a buck selling books and DVDs.

Lets look at the paper Steele II co-authored:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...nce-Based_Resistance_Training_Recommendations

Ctrl + f "jones"

oh would you look at that, 5 hits for Jones.... could it be... Arthur Jones....
Jones A, MedX corporation, 1993. This paper literally CITES original research conducted by Jones' company.
It also cites a peer reviewed article from two researchers examining the exercise practice recommendations of ARTHUR JONES.
It further cites a study Jones funded in 1999.

So, again, yes I am familiar with the source material.I am telling you, this "resistance training = cardiovascular conditioning" theory started with Jones.

 

[Soulsmaxx]

You are not familiar. It's not based on this study at all

Damn bro, that text wall was all for nothing

 

[Deleted member 1476]

Cardiovascular exercise is worth doing but strength training should take precedence for most men on here. Sprinting and short distance running are preferable to long distance running. Rowing, cycling and swimming are preferable to running in the long run for joint health. All give you an exercise high and improve your stamina and athletic ability. It matters more as you get older and slower but it is a good addition to an exercise routine nonetheless.

 

[OCDMaxxing]

lol, 21Convention is Balding Boomer MGTOW Cope Convention.

 

[Wannabe6ft2]

Imagine being 190 pounds 8%bf and not being able to run for 5 minutes straight. JFL

Me pretty much

 

[medialcanthuscel]

No exercise for your face

 

[Deleted member 209]

i legit never do cardio and my endurance still beats all these cardio cucks. water retention>cardio

 

[Deleted member 685]

Cardio is legit bad for you. It stresses the heart. JFL at thinking an enlarged heart is good for you.

Do you have any study to back up that utterly retarded claim of yours?

 

[disillusioned]

Do you have any study to back up that utterly retarded claim of yours?

It's not retarded. I can't be bothered to look for the article but I remember reading about a study where the long term effects of heavy cardio was studied over a period of years or even decades. The results were that heavy cardio scars the heart and increases the risk of strokes, while failing to increase longevity.

It was also concluded that whatever health benefits can be derived from cardio can be derived without the use of actually difficult cardio (running/jogging/cycling etc for long periods), meaning that a person who takes a walk at a reasonably (but not hard) pace a decent number of times per week can reap the same health benefit he would have had he been doing actually stressful cardio, but without any of the downsides of the later.

The idea that high-intensity cardio is good for you is just another bluepill fitness myth.

 

[Deleted member 3323]

Idc cardio makes me feel good, flooding my brain with endorphins. Keep losing cuck

 

[ChestBrah]

soccer players do massive amounts of cardio and have lean aesthetic faces

brb playing soccer
brb running 3 miles almost everyday + HIIT sprint
brb lowering bodyfat
brb looking more aesthetic
brb post cardio feelsgoodman.jpg

TLDR: THIS IS WHAT DOING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CARDIO DOES FOR YOUR FACE JFL IF U ARENT LEANMAXING

 

[Yoyo2233]

Cardio is legit bad for you. It stresses the heart. JFL at thinking an enlarged heart is good for you.

Tell that our hunter and gatherer ancestors. You sound like a pussy

 

[Deleted member 685]

It's not retarded. I can't be bothered to look for the article but I remember reading about a study where the long term effects of heavy cardio was studied over a period of years or even decades. The results were that heavy cardio scars the heart and increases the risk of strokes, while failing to increase longevity.

It was also concluded that whatever health benefits can be derived from cardio can be derived without the use of actually difficult cardio (running/jogging/cycling etc for long periods), meaning that a person who takes a walk at a reasonably (but not hard) pace a decent number of times per week can reap the same health benefit he would have had he been doing actually stressful cardio, but without any of the downsides of the later.

The idea that high-intensity cardio is good for you is just another bluepill fitness myth.

You have no idea what you're talking about. There's no study whatsoever which show cardio negatively impacts the heart and if anything researchers agree exercise etc decreases the risk of strokes, heart complications and increases longevity.

Also your body adapts to stress thanks to exercise, which means your body knows how to handle cortisol better.

Not everything which might be something commonly agreed on is "le bluepilled myth". You're talking like some biologist with the most retarded chimpanzee tier iq statements possible.

 

[Deleted member 685]

It's not retarded. I can't be bothered to look for the article but I remember reading about a study where the long term effects of heavy cardio was studied over a period of years or even decades. The results were that heavy cardio scars the heart and increases the risk of strokes, while failing to increase longevity.

It was also concluded that whatever health benefits can be derived from cardio can be derived without the use of actually difficult cardio (running/jogging/cycling etc for long periods), meaning that a person who takes a walk at a reasonably (but not hard) pace a decent number of times per week can reap the same health benefit he would have had he been doing actually stressful cardio, but without any of the downsides of the later.

The idea that high-intensity cardio is good for you is just another bluepill fitness myth.

Also you'd have to define "heavy cardio", and you realize that doesn't support your previous statement at all right? Since you said cardio is legit bad for you and now you're just shifting it to "heavy cardio". Btw people build up to intense cardio so it's not like they shock their bodies.

 

[disillusioned]

soccer players do massive amounts of cardio and have lean aesthetic faces

brb playing soccer
brb running 3 miles almost everyday + HIIT sprint
brb lowering bodyfat
brb looking more aesthetic
brb post cardio feelsgoodman.jpg

TLDR: THIS IS WHAT DOING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CARDIO DOES FOR YOUR FACE JFL IF U ARENT LEANMAXING

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Soccer players are legit some of the unhealhtiest people on the planet. Brb knees ruined at 50.

 

[disillusioned]

Also you'd have to define "heavy cardio", and you realize that doesn't support your previous statement at all right? Since you said cardio is legit bad for you and now you're just shifting it to "heavy cardio". Btw people build up to intense cardio so it's not like they shock their bodies.

Heavy cardio: Anything that makes you feel like shit while doing it basically.

Cardio bluepillers are literally no different from the "you must lift heavy to get big" bluepillers. It's all bullshit.

It honestly boggles my mind how even on blackpill forums there are still tons of people who haven't caught unto the fact that most conventional fitness wisdom is bluepill bullshit that was largely fabricated to benefit the fitness industry.

Humans need exercise, but they don't need intense exercise. And in fact the later is unhealthy over the long term.

Tell that our hunter and gatherer ancestors. You sound like a pussy

Our hunter and gatherer ancestors died in their fucking 50's...

 

[MewingJBP]

cardio is legit for lifemaxxing and better erections/endurance

 

[Yoyo2233]

Heavy cardio: Anything that makes you feel like shit while doing it basically.

Cardio bluepillers are literally no different from the "you must lift heavy to get big" bluepillers. It's all bullshit.

It honestly boggles my mind how even on blackpill forums there are still tons of people who haven't caught unto the fact that most conventional fitness wisdom is bluepill bullshit that was largely fabricated to benefit the fitness industry.

Humans need exercise, but they don't need intense exercise. And in fact the later is unhealthy over the long term.


Our hunter and gatherer ancestors died in their fucking 50's...

Cu their was no medicine and shit man or hospitals. They would make soyboys look like shit. The fact your debating this makes me wuestions. And you do have to lift heavy to get big. With size comes strength.

 

[Deleted member 685]

Cu their was no medicine and shit man or hospitals. They would make soyboys look like shit. The fact your debating this makes me wuestions. And you do have to lift heavy to get big. With size comes strength.

This guy is a joke

 

[kej3094]

Im

Here is why







I know 21Convention drama BS but the speaker has its valid points and makes a good argument.
Have fun trashing this thread with your shitty ideas and pseudoscience.

I’m guessing this is talking about running for physique but from what I’ve read aerobic exercise is godly for mental health

 

[Deleted member 8846]

isn't this whole thread just the cope that soyboys who hate cardio have to tell themselves to justify why they don't do it

 

[JamesHowlett]

If you’re training for an endurance event, do cardio.

Other than that, you don’t NEED cardio I.e. Jogging, biking, etc

 

[Cares]

If you’re training for an endurance event, do cardio.

Other than that, you don’t NEED cardio I.e. Jogging, biking, etc

For heart health, you should consider cardio.

 

[JamesHowlett]

For heart health, you should consider cardio.

Walking and intense weight training is enough for general heart health. If you want exceptional heart health then do cardio.