CARNIVORE DIET IS SABOTAGING YOUR TESTOSTERONE - Carnivorecels gtfih

[81xa]

INTRODUCTION
The carnivore/primal space loves posting total testosterone without any sex hormone-binding globulin or free testosterone context, and jfl if you think that's accidental, total T in isolation is essentially a vanity metric, yet these guys have built their entire dietary identity around it while remaining blissfully unaware that SHBG exists.

THE MECHANISM
Insulin suppresses SHBG production. Zero-carb diets produce chronically low insulin, which signals the liver to upregulate SHBG. That SHBG then binds circulating testosterone and renders it biologically inactive, meaning you can have elite total T while free testosterone sits in a genuinely mediocre range. It's a predictable physiological consequence of sustained carbohydrate restriction, and it shows up consistently in the blood work of anyone who actually bothers to include SHBG on their panel.

EXAMPLE
Frank Tufano is the clearest documented example, he has total T around 3500, but his SHBG is so elevated that free T is basically makes him borderline hypogonadal jfl

WHAT TO ACTUALLY EAT
You don't need high carb intake to address this. You need enough insulin stimulation to prevent SHBG from climbing, which on training days is about 100–150g from quality sources (honey, fruit, potato, rice). Rest days can sit lower. Animal-based with moderate carb timing is certainly superior to strict carnivore for free testosterone specifically, while retaining all the benefits of an animal food foundation. Total T as a standalone metric is essentially useless. I have yet to see a kid on carnivore with adequate SHBG.

Thoughts?

 

[iamnotgrayipromise]

Low carb diets can raise SHBG that can reduce free testosterone in some people, moderate carbs can help normalize that, but higher SHBG doesnt automatically mean low free t. Frank Tufano is kind of an outlier case, not a reliable template, extremely high total t is already abnormal and often suggests unusual physiology or context, singple person anecdotes doesnt equal generalizable physiology but i do agree that carbs are needed

 

[81xa]

Low carb diets can raise SHBG that can reduce free testosterone in some people, moderate carbs can help normalize that, but higher SHBG doesnt automatically mean low free t. Frank Tufano is kind of an outlier case, not a reliable template, extremely high total t is already abnormal and often suggests unusual physiology or context, singple person anecdotes doesnt equal generalizable physiology but i do agree that carbs are needed

The broader point still stands, elevated SHBG on zero carb is a documented pattern, and the primal community consistently posts total T without free T context. That selective reporting is the real issue regardless of whether any individual case is representative.

Show me a single carnivore with good free T alongside their total T, you cant

 

[ExogenousMilk]

INTRODUCTION
The carnivore/primal space loves posting total testosterone without any sex hormone-binding globulin or free testosterone context, and jfl if you think that's accidental, total T in isolation is essentially a vanity metric, yet these guys have built their entire dietary identity around it while remaining blissfully unaware that SHBG exists.

THE MECHANISM
Insulin suppresses SHBG production. Zero-carb diets produce chronically low insulin, which signals the liver to upregulate SHBG. That SHBG then binds circulating testosterone and renders it biologically inactive, meaning you can have elite total T while free testosterone sits in a genuinely mediocre range. It's a predictable physiological consequence of sustained carbohydrate restriction, and it shows up consistently in the blood work of anyone who actually bothers to include SHBG on their panel.

EXAMPLE
Frank Tufano is the clearest documented example, he has total T around 3500, but his SHBG is so elevated that free T is basically makes him borderline hypogonadal jfl

WHAT TO ACTUALLY EAT
You don't need high carb intake to address this. You need enough insulin stimulation to prevent SHBG from climbing, which on training days is about 100–150g from quality sources (honey, fruit, potato, rice). Rest days can sit lower. Animal-based with moderate carb timing is certainly superior to strict carnivore for free testosterone specifically, while retaining all the benefits of an animal food foundation. Total T as a standalone metric is essentially useless. I have yet to see a kid on carnivore with adequate SHBG.

Thoughts?

some people on low carb SHBG lowers, or heightens, its inconsistent. SHBG is dependent off overall hormones and bf. I agree with the honey n fruit tho

 

[iamnotgrayipromise]

The broader point still stands, elevated SHBG on zero carb is a documented pattern, and the primal community consistently posts total T without free T context. That selective reporting is the real issue regardless of whether any individual case is representative.

Show me a single carnivore with good free T alongside their total T, you cant

yes but saying so single carnivore has good free t along with their total t is literally absurd and free t isnt solely dependant on SHBG, Example: Kevin Stock, posted total T 915 ng/dL with free T 101.8 pg/mL, not everyone gets hit the same way, leanness, training volume, calories in surplus, genetics, and how long you been adapted all matter.

 

[81xa]

yes but saying so single carnivore has good free t along with their total t is literally absurd and free t isnt solely dependant on SHBG, Example: Kevin Stock, posted total T 915 ng/dL with free T 101.8 pg/mL, not everyone gets hit the same way, leanness, training volume, calories in surplus, genetics, and how long you been adapted all matter.

One well-documented case doesn't dissolve the pattern, if anything it reinforces the fact that individual variables like leanness, training volume and genetics matter. You can't attribute Stock's results to carnivore specifically when you can't isolate diet from everything else he's doing.

 

[81xa]

some people on low carb SHBG lowers, or heightens, its inconsistent. SHBG is dependent off overall hormones and bf. I agree with the honey n fruit tho

The honey and fruit inclusion is probably doing more work than most people realise though, both for SHBG and for training performance.

 

[iamnotgrayipromise]

One well-documented case doesn't dissolve the pattern, if anything it reinforces the fact that individual variables like leanness, training volume and genetics matter. You can't attribute Stock's results to carnivore specifically when you can't isolate diet from everything else he's doing.

same way your point "Show me a single carnivore with good free T alongside their total T, you cant" doesnt stand, you said show me a single carnivor with good free t, i showed you a single carnivore with good free t. not all carnivores have low free t, but is it better to eat little healthy carbs imo, yes.

 

[ExogenousMilk]

The honey and fruit inclusion is probably doing more work than most people realise though, both for SHBG and for training performance.

i dont train but i steal eat a fruit every morning

 

[81xa]

i dont train but i steal eat a fruit every morning

thats fine cause u need carbs still, minimum 50g daily

 

[bluem30]

yo frank already wrote a thread about this hes gonna sue u

 

[zkevke]

INTRODUCTION
The carnivore/primal space loves posting total testosterone without any sex hormone-binding globulin or free testosterone context, and jfl if you think that's accidental, total T in isolation is essentially a vanity metric, yet these guys have built their entire dietary identity around it while remaining blissfully unaware that SHBG exists.

THE MECHANISM
Insulin suppresses SHBG production. Zero-carb diets produce chronically low insulin, which signals the liver to upregulate SHBG. That SHBG then binds circulating testosterone and renders it biologically inactive, meaning you can have elite total T while free testosterone sits in a genuinely mediocre range. It's a predictable physiological consequence of sustained carbohydrate restriction, and it shows up consistently in the blood work of anyone who actually bothers to include SHBG on their panel.

EXAMPLE
Frank Tufano is the clearest documented example, he has total T around 3500, but his SHBG is so elevated that free T is basically makes him borderline hypogonadal jfl

WHAT TO ACTUALLY EAT
You don't need high carb intake to address this. You need enough insulin stimulation to prevent SHBG from climbing, which on training days is about 100–150g from quality sources (honey, fruit, potato, rice). Rest days can sit lower. Animal-based with moderate carb timing is certainly superior to strict carnivore for free testosterone specifically, while retaining all the benefits of an animal food foundation. Total T as a standalone metric is essentially useless. I have yet to see a kid on carnivore with adequate SHBG.

Thoughts?

True, not only it sabotage your "real" test but it also sabotage your thyroid hormones overall i think completely removing carb/sugar from your diet is always a bad idea long-term and pretty retarded

 

[infrainfra]

INTRODUCTION
The carnivore/primal space loves posting total testosterone without any sex hormone-binding globulin or free testosterone context, and jfl if you think that's accidental, total T in isolation is essentially a vanity metric, yet these guys have built their entire dietary identity around it while remaining blissfully unaware that SHBG exists.

THE MECHANISM
Insulin suppresses SHBG production. Zero-carb diets produce chronically low insulin, which signals the liver to upregulate SHBG. That SHBG then binds circulating testosterone and renders it biologically inactive, meaning you can have elite total T while free testosterone sits in a genuinely mediocre range. It's a predictable physiological consequence of sustained carbohydrate restriction, and it shows up consistently in the blood work of anyone who actually bothers to include SHBG on their panel.

EXAMPLE
Frank Tufano is the clearest documented example, he has total T around 3500, but his SHBG is so elevated that free T is basically makes him borderline hypogonadal jfl

WHAT TO ACTUALLY EAT
You don't need high carb intake to address this. You need enough insulin stimulation to prevent SHBG from climbing, which on training days is about 100–150g from quality sources (honey, fruit, potato, rice). Rest days can sit lower. Animal-based with moderate carb timing is certainly superior to strict carnivore for free testosterone specifically, while retaining all the benefits of an animal food foundation. Total T as a standalone metric is essentially useless. I have yet to see a kid on carnivore with adequate SHBG.

Thoughts?

you know animal protein and amino acids spike insulin high enough for this not to happen? look at leucine

 

[blamejewsjfl]

INTRODUCTION
The carnivore/primal space loves posting total testosterone without any sex hormone-binding globulin or free testosterone context, and jfl if you think that's accidental, total T in isolation is essentially a vanity metric, yet these guys have built their entire dietary identity around it while remaining blissfully unaware that SHBG exists.

THE MECHANISM
Insulin suppresses SHBG production. Zero-carb diets produce chronically low insulin, which signals the liver to upregulate SHBG. That SHBG then binds circulating testosterone and renders it biologically inactive, meaning you can have elite total T while free testosterone sits in a genuinely mediocre range. It's a predictable physiological consequence of sustained carbohydrate restriction, and it shows up consistently in the blood work of anyone who actually bothers to include SHBG on their panel.

EXAMPLE
Frank Tufano is the clearest documented example, he has total T around 3500, but his SHBG is so elevated that free T is basically makes him borderline hypogonadal jfl

WHAT TO ACTUALLY EAT
You don't need high carb intake to address this. You need enough insulin stimulation to prevent SHBG from climbing, which on training days is about 100–150g from quality sources (honey, fruit, potato, rice). Rest days can sit lower. Animal-based with moderate carb timing is certainly superior to strict carnivore for free testosterone specifically, while retaining all the benefits of an animal food foundation. Total T as a standalone metric is essentially useless. I have yet to see a kid on carnivore with adequate SHBG.

Thoughts?

It is funny how all those raw diet copers say that fruits are terrible food, even though humans living in a time period to which they refer, ate them a lot.

But their guru FaceLowIQ recently abandoned this carnivore absurd, so maybe intensity of this cope will decrease

 

[fataholic]

No primals are saying to eat carnivore.
The Primal Diet does not equal Raw Carnivore Diet which only retards promote. Aajonus promoted the consumption of carbs from raw dairy, honey, raw starches, and fruit. When he was tested his total test was 3,000ng/dl and his free test was in the high hundreds. Don't take people like FaceIQ and Marcus and say that were all the same. The reason they cant be consistent with the diet and binge on fruit or eat cooked meat is because they're overacidic and dont drink vegetable juices.

INTRODUCTION
The carnivore/primal space loves posting total testosterone without any sex hormone-binding globulin or free testosterone context, and jfl if you think that's accidental, total T in isolation is essentially a vanity metric, yet these guys have built their entire dietary identity around it while remaining blissfully unaware that SHBG exists.

THE MECHANISM
Insulin suppresses SHBG production. Zero-carb diets produce chronically low insulin, which signals the liver to upregulate SHBG. That SHBG then binds circulating testosterone and renders it biologically inactive, meaning you can have elite total T while free testosterone sits in a genuinely mediocre range. It's a predictable physiological consequence of sustained carbohydrate restriction, and it shows up consistently in the blood work of anyone who actually bothers to include SHBG on their panel.

EXAMPLE
Frank Tufano is the clearest documented example, he has total T around 3500, but his SHBG is so elevated that free T is basically makes him borderline hypogonadal jfl

WHAT TO ACTUALLY EAT
You don't need high carb intake to address this. You need enough insulin stimulation to prevent SHBG from climbing, which on training days is about 100–150g from quality sources (honey, fruit, potato, rice). Rest days can sit lower. Animal-based with moderate carb timing is certainly superior to strict carnivore for free testosterone specifically, while retaining all the benefits of an animal food foundation. Total T as a standalone metric is essentially useless. I have yet to see a kid on carnivore with adequate SHBG.

Thoughts?