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About 2 years ago, I wrote an article about what those that are finding themselves vertically challenged might do, using HGH and an AI, if they intervene early enough. In the article I write:
hey bro, i saw an old post on yours about hgh and height growth. i am actually have been on gh for over a year and letrozole daily.
Thought I'd share his anecdotes, and a little more about doses.
This particular subject male started the day he turned 17, sourced his own HGH, using on average 15-16 ius a day, and 2.5mg every day of Letrozole. He came from a small (as in height wise) SE Asian family with both mum and dad being around 5'2". His 2 brothers and father stopped growing at 16.
Unfortunately, no pre HGH bloods and no x-rays - as you might imagine, a 17 year old would struggle in getting bloods and x-rays of plates done without parental consent or at least knowledge of what was going on. He did keep it a secret from his family who certainly would have prevented him from trying anything. Incidentally, they're still none the wiser, which is surprising because I'd have thought the waste alone would give him away. Imagine a 17 year old buying and hiding needles, BAC, vials and vials of HGH. At 15-16 iu, that's at least a new vial every other day.
So how'd a 17 year old keep it hidden from family so well? No idea. Guy must be a genius.
Costs & Supplies
Wait... how much was this guy taking on the daily?
Yeah you read that earlier section right - he estimates 15-16iu per day, split into smaller injections throughout the day. He estimates it cost him around $6k annually, purchasing generic (presumably Indian) pharma. He used 30g insulin needles, reconstituted with a 25g needle.
Could he have achieved the additional inch + any further height gains he gets over the next year or so without HGH? It's impossible for me to know for sure. The subject doesn't think so.
What I do know is that this subjects experience and attempt is not rare. Some attempt it even into their early 20's. While I will always point those attempting to gain height over the age of 16 to studies showing that late intervention provides marginal if any help, given that height is correlated with happiness in relationships I can't fault them for trying.
taken from reddit pedsr
A few days ago, someone reached out to me about the post and their own experience...
hey bro, i saw an old post on yours about hgh and height growth. i am actually have been on gh for over a year and letrozole daily.
Thought I'd share his anecdotes, and a little more about doses.
This particular subject male started the day he turned 17, sourced his own HGH, using on average 15-16 ius a day, and 2.5mg every day of Letrozole. He came from a small (as in height wise) SE Asian family with both mum and dad being around 5'2". His 2 brothers and father stopped growing at 16.
(Edit, technically 5'3.5") Growth velocity in this case was essentially 0, and at least theoretically growth velocity is key as it's a predictor of final height. Typically, I would advise that this is too late to intervene using HGH and AI, at least according to the studies I've seen.
Unfortunately, no pre HGH bloods and no x-rays - as you might imagine, a 17 year old would struggle in getting bloods and x-rays of plates done without parental consent or at least knowledge of what was going on. He did keep it a secret from his family who certainly would have prevented him from trying anything. Incidentally, they're still none the wiser, which is surprising because I'd have thought the waste alone would give him away. Imagine a 17 year old buying and hiding needles, BAC, vials and vials of HGH. At 15-16 iu, that's at least a new vial every other day.
So how'd a 17 year old keep it hidden from family so well? No idea. Guy must be a genius.
Costs & Supplies
Wait... how much was this guy taking on the daily?
Yeah you read that earlier section right - he estimates 15-16iu per day, split into smaller injections throughout the day. He estimates it cost him around $6k annually, purchasing generic (presumably Indian) pharma. He used 30g insulin needles, reconstituted with a 25g needle.
The dose sounds crazy to those of us using conventional amounts of HGH for body composition and recovery reasons (and if you're using HGH for hyperplasia, I've got unfortunate findings to share with you), but it's actually not that much higher (relatively speaking) from its normal use in children to treat short stature.
- Sixty-two patients with pituitary dwarfism were treated with three different preparations of methionyl hGH (m-hGH) for 3 to 14 months. They were given 0.5 IU/kg/week intramuscularly. Converted to a 65kg little person dose, that's around 4.64iu per day.
- The maximum dose listed on drugs.com for HGH (Somatropin) for pediatric growth hormone deficiency is 0.034mg/kg per day, or 2.21mg for a 65kg adolescent. Converting it to IUs (using 1mg to 3IU) thats a max daily dose of 6.63iu.
- Same source, but this time used for idiopathic short stature, the dose is 0.47mg/kg per week. Or 30.55mg/kg per week, or 13iu per day.
- Elevated blood sugar tested by a glucometer bought from the store. When fasted, he would clock in at 90 (normal is 80)
- Water retention, especially on the face. When subject stopped injecting for 2 days, he lost 9 pounds
- Probably high blood pressure. He's never checked, but reports headaches pretty regularly. To be expected given the water retention
Subject is now 5'5". That's $6k, a not insignificant amount of risk, a ton of injections for an inch in a year. It's hard to know for sure if the subject had truly stopped growing, and the impact that HGH had here. Clearly, his plates had not sealed (otherwise growth would been 0).
Could he have achieved the additional inch + any further height gains he gets over the next year or so without HGH? It's impossible for me to know for sure. The subject doesn't think so.
What I do know is that this subjects experience and attempt is not rare. Some attempt it even into their early 20's. While I will always point those attempting to gain height over the age of 16 to studies showing that late intervention provides marginal if any help, given that height is correlated with happiness in relationships I can't fault them for trying.
taken from reddit pedsr
