Cheap test max with minimal side effects questions (need some high iqcels)

[saab13]

So as you can tell im a fucking grey so i need help with this shit.

I turned 16 in december, and wanna max as much as possible before summer since school ends, and im starting at a new kinda school.

I’ve been trying to research alot about test/dht maxxing both in botb and outside botb. (aswell as chatgpt lmao)

Since im a pussy im trying to get minimal side effects while also staying cheap. I know this will mean less results, but I think what I found may be alright.

Currently im only taking natural shit;
Vitamin d3+k2
Calcium
Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine

Im small as fuck, i got no bones, so thats what i need to improve most on.

I figured since i have saved up, why not use it on testmaxxing

I found butea superba for dht, possibly dht gel, enclomiphine for natural boost of test production (paired with ai so i dont get gyno yk) aswell as mk-677 for hgh and igf-1 (i know theres alot of controversy about mk but again im not looking for absolutely crazy effects, also for the purpose of not raising suspicion). Of course theres not alot of evidence to back butea superba but i believe it works, maybe more or less depending on the individual.

Pairing this with healthy lifestyle, lifting weights, doing muay thai, eating good, sleeping better, will this make a good difference in the next say 6 months, and with minimal side effects?

What do i need to know, and do you have good sources? Do you recommend me doing this?

Dont wanna see no commemt saying just blast tren jfl

 

[skullmog]

So as you can tell im a fucking grey so i need help with this shit.

I turned 16 in december, and wanna max as much as possible before summer since school ends, and im starting at a new kinda school.

I’ve been trying to research alot about test/dht maxxing both in botb and outside botb. (aswell as chatgpt lmao)

Since im a pussy im trying to get minimal side effects while also staying cheap. I know this will mean less results, but I think what I found may be alright.

Currently im only taking natural shit;
Vitamin d3+k2
Calcium
Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine

Im small as fuck, i got no bones, so thats what i need to improve most on.

I figured since i have saved up, why not use it on testmaxxing

I found butea superba for dht, possibly dht gel, enclomiphine for natural boost of test production (paired with ai so i dont get gyno yk) aswell as mk-677 for hgh and igf-1 (i know theres alot of controversy about mk but again im not looking for absolutely crazy effects, also for the purpose of not raising suspicion). Of course theres not alot of evidence to back butea superba but i believe it works, maybe more or less depending on the individual.

Pairing this with healthy lifestyle, lifting weights, doing muay thai, eating good, sleeping better, will this make a good difference in the next say 6 months, and with minimal side effects?

What do i need to know, and do you have good sources? Do you recommend me doing this?

Dont wanna see no commemt saying just blast tren jfl

enclomiphene

 

[saab13]

enclomiphene

did u read what i wrote

 

[Ychassa]

So as you can tell im a fucking grey so i need help with this shit.

I turned 16 in december, and wanna max as much as possible before summer since school ends, and im starting at a new kinda school.

I’ve been trying to research alot about test/dht maxxing both in botb and outside botb. (aswell as chatgpt lmao)

Since im a pussy im trying to get minimal side effects while also staying cheap. I know this will mean less results, but I think what I found may be alright.

Currently im only taking natural shit;
Vitamin d3+k2
Calcium
Magnesium
Zinc
Creatine

Im small as fuck, i got no bones, so thats what i need to improve most on.

I figured since i have saved up, why not use it on testmaxxing

I found butea superba for dht, possibly dht gel, enclomiphine for natural boost of test production (paired with ai so i dont get gyno yk) aswell as mk-677 for hgh and igf-1 (i know theres alot of controversy about mk but again im not looking for absolutely crazy effects, also for the purpose of not raising suspicion). Of course theres not alot of evidence to back butea superba but i believe it works, maybe more or less depending on the individual.

Pairing this with healthy lifestyle, lifting weights, doing muay thai, eating good, sleeping better, will this make a good difference in the next say 6 months, and with minimal side effects?

What do i need to know, and do you have good sources? Do you recommend me doing this?

Dont wanna see no commemt saying just blast tren jfl

Dht is trash, dont try to maximize it lmao, it dosen't improve bonemass. All your natural stuff is cope. If you want real results you need to hop on something, im 16 & im doing hgh, supplements ain't getting you nowhere

 

[skullmog]

did u read what i wrote

enclomiphene barely has sides brah
this is the bare minimum for results besides a good diet
u wont notice any results taking natty supplements

the best natty test boost is diet and good sleep

 

[saab13]

enclomiphene barely has sides brah
this is the bare minimum for results besides a good diet
u wont notice any results taking natty supplements

the best natty test boost is diet and good sleep

Yeah but what about the other shit, should help atleast right? mk also

 

[saab13]

Dht is trash, dont try to maximize it lmao, it dosen't improve bonemass. All your natural stuff is cope. If you want real results you need to hop on something, im 16 & im doing hgh, supplements ain't getting you nowhere

nigga did you read my thread

dht is trash if youre abovd 18, before that, dht is good, better than test.

I was talking about enclo and mk aswell as ai also

 

[Ychassa]

nigga did you read my thread

dht is trash if youre abovd 18, before that, dht is good, better than test.

I was talking about enclo and mk aswell as ai also

unless you're a late bloomer, and your dick is not fully developed, you dont need DHT. Mk677 & enclo is still cope compared to the real thing, you would need to be on mk&enclo for years, for it to do the same as hgh & test in a short time period

 

[saab13]

Again im not looking for crazy results, just noticeable results. i cant afford hgh and test, and i dont want mad side effects. I dont think my dick is done growing yet, but dht is also muscle and bones, more that than test.

 

[skullmog]

Yeah but what about the other shit, should help atleast right? mk also

it will help a tiny bit but nothing noticeable
mk wont increase test but can help ur bones
but pls get good sleep and diet prioritize meat and dairy that will help 10x more
take melatonin if u have trouble sleeping
and reduce your stress as much as possible

 

[Ashikai]

tamoxifen or enclo like the guy above said

 

[saab13]

i know mk doesnt increase test, but it increases gh and igf1 which is also really good for growth

i am having trouble sleeping, but is melatonin making you tired all the time, or only just help fall asleep?

i have already improved my diet drastically but plan on going further

im not very stressed unless im on the job, since i work at a mcdonalds lmao, but doesnt ashwagandha help with stress?
Just dont know if my procrastination will handle me taking god knows how many supplements aswell as fucking needles and shit

 

[saab13]

tamoxifen or enclo like the guy above said

what is tamoxifen? and how much is enclo, and how much will it help?

 

[skullmog]

I found butea superba for dht, possibly dht gel, enclomiphine for natural boost of test production (paired with ai so i dont get gyno yk)

u will not get gyno from any of those
enclo blocks estrogen receptors and dht doesnt convert
and dont take an ai in puberty unless ur on strong compounds

if ur on 2 compounds that block estrogen it will likely stunt growth and brain development

 

[skullmog]

i know mk doesnt increase test, but it increases gh and igf1 which is also really good for growth

i am having trouble sleeping, but is melatonin making you tired all the time, or only just help fall asleep?

i have already improved my diet drastically but plan on going further

im not very stressed unless im on the job, since i work at a mcdonalds lmao, but doesnt ashwagandha help with stress?
Just dont know if my procrastination will handle me taking god knows how many supplements aswell as fucking needles and shit

i buy from bulk supplements and take 10mgs every night and i feel much better than before
ashwaganda helps with stress i take it after workouts or sometimes before bed

 

[saab13]

u will not get gyno from any of those
enclo blocks estrogen receptors and dht doesnt convert
and dont take an ai in puberty unless ur on strong compounds

if ur on 2 compounds that block estrogen it will likely stunt growth and brain development

enclo boosts lh which in turn boosts testosterone which converts to estrogen, users can experience excessive amounts of estrogen when taking enclo or that other shit i forgot whats called but its like enclo
i heard you should only take enclo if you take ai aswell

mk doesnt block estrogen no?

 

[skullmog]

enclo boosts lh which in turn boosts testosterone which converts to estrogen, users can experience excessive amounts of estrogen when taking enclo or that other shit i forgot whats called but its like enclo
i heard you should only take enclo if you take ai aswell

mk doesnt block estrogen no?

u can literally search "does enclomiphene raise estrogen for men"

no mk doesnt block estrogen

 

[saab13]

u can literally search "does enclomiphene raise estrogen for men"

no mk doesnt block estrogen

did you not say 2 compounds that block estrogen? tf is the other one theb

 

[skullmog]

did you not say 2 compounds that block estrogen? tf is the other one theb

ais block estrogen bro
do research

 

[saab13]

ais block estrogen bro
do research

thats the whole point lmao

 

[skullmog]

thats the whole point lmao

if u crash estrogen ur definitely gonna have side effects bro ur gonna feel like shit

 

[saab13]

if u crash estrogen ur definitely gonna have side effects bro ur gonna feel like shit

it doesnt block 100% of estrogen. It will just eliminate the extra estrogen i would get from enclo, and maybe a little bit more than that. From what ive read its pure stupidity to take enclo without ai, and if you dont take an ai you will have more disadvantages than advantages due to the higher estrogen

 

[5 ✱]

if u crash estrogen ur definitely gonna have side effects bro ur gonna feel like shit

He dosent need to crash his estrogen if he knows what he’s doing

 

[skullmog]

it doesnt block 100% of estrogen. It will just eliminate the extra estrogen i would get from enclo, and maybe a little bit more than that. From what ive read its pure stupidity to take enclo without ai, and if you dont take an ai you will have more disadvantages than advantages due to the higher estrogen

bro just one google search
"No, enclomiphene is an estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) that blocks estrogen receptors in the brain to increase testosterone production in men"

 

[robert3]

dnr bitch

 

[robert3]

nigga did you read my thread

dht is trash if youre abovd 18, before that, dht is good, better than test.

I was talking about enclo and mk aswell as ai also

it doesnt block 100% of estrogen. It will just eliminate the extra estrogen i would get from enclo, and maybe a little bit more than that. From what ive read its pure stupidity to take enclo without ai, and if you dont take an ai you will have more disadvantages than advantages due to the higher estrogen

enclo boosts lh which in turn boosts testosterone which converts to estrogen, users can experience excessive amounts of estrogen when taking enclo or that other shit i forgot whats called but its like enclo
i heard you should only take enclo if you take ai aswell

mk doesnt block estrogen no?

Holy fuck your retarded

 

[skullmog]

it doesnt block 100% of estrogen. It will just eliminate the extra estrogen i would get from enclo, and maybe a little bit more than that. From what ive read its pure stupidity to take enclo without ai, and if you dont take an ai you will have more disadvantages than advantages due to the higher estrogen

i think ur getting enclo confused with clomid
clomid increases estrogen

 

[saab13]

i think ur getting enclo confused with clomid
clomid increases estrogen

oh yeah that might be right, i read about both atleast and theyre quite similar

So i dont need an ai right? its not because i wanted one at all lmao i just thought it was necessary.

Also if youve taken any peptides before do you have any tips on hiding it? My parents are skeptical about me taking fucking creatine and vitamins, plus peptides have always been one of the biggest no-gos for my family and its something my parents keep telling me to stay away from since they know how much i care about looks lmao, especially also after i started lifting weights

Also another reason to why im not gonna take steroids but rather stay with the mild shit so i can look like a really good natty if u know what i mean haha

 

[saab13]

dnr bitch

what rhe fuck is dnr

 

[skullmog]

what rhe fuck is dnr

its means did not read

 

[skullmog]

oh yeah that might be right, i read about both atleast and theyre quite similar

So i dont need an ai right? its not because i wanted one at all lmao i just thought it was necessary.

Also if youve taken any peptides before do you have any tips on hiding it? My parents are skeptical about me taking fucking creatine and vitamins, plus peptides have always been one of the biggest no-gos for my family and its something my parents keep telling me to stay away from since they know how much i care about looks lmao, especially also after i started lifting weights

Also another reason to why im not gonna take steroids but rather stay with the mild shit so i can look like a really good natty if u know what i mean haha

buy a passcode locked bag off amazon and put it in the bottom of a backpack so even if they do find it they cant open

what i do with small stuff is hide it deep in drawers in my closet

i have one that has old drawings and i store it in between the papers but i leave one piece of paper at the bottom just in case they take it out or some shit

 

[skullmog]

oh yeah that might be right, i read about both atleast and theyre quite similar

So i dont need an ai right? its not because i wanted one at all lmao i just thought it was necessary.

Also if youve taken any peptides before do you have any tips on hiding it? My parents are skeptical about me taking fucking creatine and vitamins, plus peptides have always been one of the biggest no-gos for my family and its something my parents keep telling me to stay away from since they know how much i care about looks lmao, especially also after i started lifting weights

Also another reason to why im not gonna take steroids but rather stay with the mild shit so i can look like a really good natty if u know what i mean haha

dont use an ai

 

[saab13]

buy a passcode locked bag off amazon and put it in the bottom of a backpack so even if they do find it they cant open

what i do with small stuff is hide it deep in drawers in my closet

i have one that has old drawings and i store it in between the papers but i leave one piece of paper at the bottom just in case they take it out or some shit

amazon dont ship to my country but i can prob find sm else

another problem is also that my parents arent together so i need to fucking transport it with my parents without them noticing it either lmao

you got any good sources? and amounts?

 

[skullmog]

amazon dont ship to my country but i can prob find sm else

another problem is also that my parents arent together so i need to fucking transport it with my parents without them noticing it either lmao

you got any good sources? and amounts?

yes pm me im not giving this out publicly

 

[skullmog]

amazon dont ship to my country but i can prob find sm else

another problem is also that my parents arent together so i need to fucking transport it with my parents without them noticing it either lmao

you got any good sources? and amounts?

and i can coach u for free if u want