Children should be soldiers, not adults.

[wishIwasSalludon]

No.

I would concede that in most cases moral statements are indeed expressions of emotions

But I wouldn’t necessarily say emotion is what causes you to believe those moral statements

Like for example take someone who believes in divine command theory

Then they see someone murder someone in front of them they then yell to the murderer “murder is wrong”

This is indeed an emotional reaction to the sight, but the belief itself isn’t caused by the emotion it’s caused by God

And then that sort of rational grounding is then what causes the emotional moral statement if that makes sense.

 

[imontheloose]

I mean if this kind of law gets passed, this world doomed.

But, yes I agree for nation a kid is a speculative asset, while adults are already paying the dividends. Sacrificing the latter for former is just stupid.

This hypothetical just goes too strongly against human nature(protecting the young). If people start slaughtering children for power battles, it would be too absurd. A complete control of the state would have to be in order. So much for freedom.

This is assuming human nature is something good. We used to kill and rape each other. We have now changed.

The only way this sort of statement can be disputed is by moral emotivism. I’m pointing out the absurdity of it.

 

[chadhamed]

Granted the most useful form of a human is the adult, why do we sacrifice them in the name of saving newborn children?

Considering you could have a new child in 9 months, or a 30-year-old in 30 years; the latter being a more free functioning, fully developed human. Why do we even bother? If you say children are inefficient soldiers, who cares? They’ll be up against their fellow inefficient soldiers.

The adult has history, memories, and much more people who care about them, or at least aware of them. Not to mention these adults will contribute far more in the current time than any newborn child could. Guesstimating that sacrificing a valuable adult for a random child you could conceive tomorrow will somehow be beneficial is rather indisputable unless you’re a moral emotivist. And I feel like that’s wrong. Pun intended.

Gazamaxx i guess

 

[imontheloose]

why, its one of my fears. do you think we have any realistic chance of curing diseases with ai in the future btw

Disease? Perhaps if we just needed to automate a task. It seems rather odd, however. It hasn’t got the consciousness or innovative brain a human has. It can’t do it alone.

 

[imontheloose]

I would concede that in most cases moral statements are indeed expressions of emotions

But I wouldn’t necessarily say emotion is what causes you to believe those moral statements

Like for example take someone who believes in divine command theory

Then they see someone murder someone in front of them they then yell to the murderer “murder is wrong”

This is indeed an emotional reaction to the sight, but the belief itself isn’t caused by the emotion it’s caused by God

And then that sort of rational grounding is then what causes the emotional moral statement if that makes sense.

I understand. I’m not saying every moral conclusion is all emotive. But your argument is why they have this emotive reaction. Whether it’s from God or not, it is still emotive.

 

[wollet2]

Disease? Perhaps if we just needed to automate a task. It seems rather odd, however. It hasn’t got the consciousness or innovative brain a human has. It can’t do it alone.

i know ai cant innovate right now, do you think it will ever
i mean innovation/consciousness is such a mystery

 

[nobodylovesme]

This is assuming human nature is something good. We used to kill and rape each other. We have now changed.

The only way this sort of statement can be disputed is by moral emotivism. I’m pointing out the absurdity of it.

I don't believe it's good either. But when there's millions of people, they wouldn't converge to like an idea as such. Therefore rape and other "natural instincts" are frowned upon. People like to paint the human in good color. It would have to be a major change to allow a warfare as such.

I agree with your point, I'm kinda pointing out why this is almost impossible to happen. Not really engaging in the philosophical. As honestly I don't know what would even be right way to wage war

 

[imontheloose]

i know ai cant innovate right now, do you think it will ever
i mean innovation/consciousness is such a mystery

No chance. The human brain is the most fascinating, sophisticated system to ever exist in the universe. It simply won’t ever be able to match a human’s brain in that sense. It can automate human tasks very well, and return tokens to your questions (all gathered from humans to begin with). It just does it quicker for you.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@wishIwasSalludon @Jason Voorhees @nobodylovesme @chadbeingmade @Jonasㅤㅤ thoughts?

This is what happened in Liberian civil war. Just look it up children soldiers. It is giant disaster

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Whether it’s from God or not, it is still emotive.

There’s a tendency for emotivists to believe that the grounding is also emotive as well

Like how Hume proposed moral statements aren’t mostly derived from reason but from emotion

sort of like how there is a tendency for atheists to also be naturalists but you don’t necessarily have to be a naturalist if ur an atheist

 

[imontheloose]

There’s a tendency for emotivists to believe that the grounding is also emotive as well

Like how Hume proposed moral statements aren’t mostly derived from reason but from emotion

sort of like how there is a tendency for atheists to also be naturalists but you don’t necessarily have to be a naturalist if ur an atheist

True.

 

[imontheloose]

This is what happened in Liberian civil war. Just look it up children soldiers. It is giant disaster

I’m not actually proposing this. It’s meant to be a proposed absurdity and I was trying to see if people can actually come up with a decent argument against it.

 

[Manchild_v2]

maybe
things like clearing out a building are much more complex than you may think in urban warfare

i think in an open battlefield you’re correct

you have to be wary that countries may accidentally commit war crimes if they’re undertrained too

each child battalion would be commanded by adults. youd need to train the child more tough but is possible

 

[weedwacker]

each child battalion would be commanded by adults. youd need to train the child more tough but is possible

more reasonable but still will never happen

 

[Manchild_v2]

more reasonable but still will never happen

because parents love their children

 

[JasGews69x]