Chris Pine's face gives me @copingvolcel vibes

Chris hemsworth was a frail fucking twink before starting, same with henry cavil. They had a pretty face which is why they took them in and injected them with bucket loads syringes worth of steroids and they became the ripped gigachads. What intitally made them go for them was their FACE and height, combined with training they look 100x better. IT's no secret gymcelling will ascend you in the eyes of women.
No, what I'm talking about is that women will not fuck a skinny guy, even if he has a pretty face, but they will fuck a muscular guy, even if he is not extremely muscular and even if he is not particularly good looking in the face.

Women see Chris Hemsworth as a sex symbol because of his muscles, not because of his face, same thing for Henry Cavill.

A nice looking face will only help you in high school or in modelling. After that, muscles are the most important thing as long as face is not lower than average.

That is the secret I am talking about, what nobody knows about except for the men who have gotten muscular and have noticed it happen to them. I know a lot of men who are very successful with women who have a very average face but they get laid only because of their muscular ripped physique but they never reveal that fact because they don't want more competition.

Because most men underestimate how much women value men's muscles on the dating market, the effect is even greater, because most men will focus on other aspects of their looks while mostly neglecting their body, without realizing that women care more about their body than anything else.

Big Muscles = High Testosterone and Symbol of Masculinity

That is why being muscular can allow even very average looking men to get laid with many beautiful women.
This is also why the red pill tells men to focus on getting muscular first, because it is the most effective way to go from virgin to fuckboy, and they know it, and they're willing to share that knowledge.
 
No, what I'm talking about is that women will not fuck a skinny guy, even if he has a pretty face, but they will fuck a muscular guy, even if he is not extremely muscular and even if he is not particularly good looking in the face.

Women see Chris Hemsworth as a sex symbol because of his muscles, not because of his face, same thing for Henry Cavill.

A nice looking face will only help you in high school or in modelling. After that, muscles are the most important thing as long as face is not lower than average.

That is the secret I am talking about, what nobody knows about except for the men who have gotten muscular and have noticed it happen to them. I know a lot of men who are very successful with women who have a very average face but they get laid only because of their muscular ripped physique but they never reveal that fact because they don't want more competition.

Because most men underestimate how much women value men's muscles on the dating market, the effect is even greater, because most men will focus on other aspects of their looks while mostly neglecting their body, without realizing that women care more about their body than anything else.

Big Muscles = High Testosterone and Symbol of Masculinity

That is why being muscular can allow even very average looking men to get laid with many beautiful women.
This is also why the red pill tells men to focus on getting muscular first, because it is the most effective way to go from virgin to fuckboy, and they know it, and they're willing to share that knowledge.
bro
you're beyond coping

too many words
face matters way more than any muscle, if this was the case Mr Olmypia would be the biggest slayers @gamma
 
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His brain fails him more imo πŸ˜‚
Say what you will but between my essays, I'm builing muscle AND I'm getting really good grades in college studying in computer science.

The only sex that I can get as a skinny guy is with mostly ugly women and some average women, or maybe an above average girlfriend, but I am not really interested in any of that at the moment.
 
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ur coping hard all these people mog hard except for maybe the rock/terry crews/stallone

literally every one of them is above average facially and most of them are 5.5-6.5

stallone is the lowest facially but the rock/terry are above average facially in the 4.5-5 region psl.
My point is that women wouldn't want to fuck them if they were skinny.

Muscles are what turn men into fuckboys. Without muscles, men are viewed as nice guy beta providers, even when they try to act alpha.
 
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My point is that women wouldn't want to fuck them if they were skinny.

Muscles are what turn men into fuckboys. Without muscles, men are viewed as nice guy beta providers, even when they try to act alpha.
i can get behind that idea depending on the level of skinny

although a guy whose insaenely genetically gifted (6 psl at least) when it comes to his face will have no issues at all bagging chicks a lot more than the muscular average maybe a bit above average face dude
 
You used the wrong picture again.




To be honest, we both look quite ordinary, like the male equivalent of a plain jane.

The only thing that makes me special is my height, I get that now.

I have also realized recently that my lack of success with women is mostly due to my standards, which are too high for my face and physique.

I can attract average looking women, and ugly women, and sometimes even above average women but if I was getting laid regularly, most of the time, it would be with women who are either average or below average.

That is why I never had any success on Online Dating apps, I was acting like ER by aiming only for the hot women, even though they were out of my league.

However, because of my height, I have a chance to change things by getting muscular. What TheRedPill subreddit describes could work for me because of my average looks and very good height.

Also, I didn't mention it before but I am now a bit more muscular than I was before. I am at around 190 lbs at 15% body fat, and, in 1 year, I will be at 210 lbs at 15% body fat, and in 3 years, I will be at 225 lbs at 15% body fat, that is when I will be fully gymmaxxed.

Also, leanmaxxing doesn't work for me because my jaw is already chiseled at 15%, and I can't build muscle when I am too lean anyways, that is how my genetics work.

And, unlike before, this time, I am actually making great strength gains which have given me an increase in muscle mass, and at my current rate, I am gaining 2 lbs of muscle per month. I achieved this by sleeping earlier by restricting time wasting activities and I am also eating a lot more than before (I get 3500 calories and 200g of protein consistently every day) and I have a better program now.

holy shit chill out Xavier i didn't need your life story this was just the only picture of you i had access to

god
 
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Again, Henry Cavill looks good because he is muscular, but back when he was a skinny guy, he looked extremely ordinary.

You guys are hypocrites and you are naive, because you refuse to see what is right in front of you.

You claim that face is everything but most of the guys that you look up to would look terrible if they were skinny and weak.

Most hollywood actors who look good wouldn't look good if they were skinny.
I can give you a ton of examples:

Joe Manganiello
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Henry Cavill
Chris Hemsworth
Chris Evans
Hugh Jackman
Arnold Schwarzennegger
Dave Bautista
Tom Hardy
Terry Crews
Sylvester Stallone
Christian Bale (American Psycho vs The Machinist)


For guys who don't have a jaw issue that needs to be fixed with surgery, gymmaxxing is the best way to looksmax. Steroids are not needed but would be useful for those who have already built a base.
you actually have a point

people here are coping with pictures of him already decently gymmaxxed in Hollywood movies:
ordinary face
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haloed by muscles
@volcelfatcel
definitely not 7.25 psl in his prime
just an everyday man you see in north texas @looksmaxxer234

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over for his average cranofacial development
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Huge cope, he was prettyboy slayer when young, even if skinny (look at that shoulder)
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But if you look at candid, normal pictures of him as a regular citizen in his skinny teenage years, you wouldn't look twice at him:
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It wasn't until he started to bulk up a bit that his looks started to become noticeable:
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And by that time, he was already hitting major roles in large productions, the time the pictures other people have posted were taken.

Of course, nobody can deny Henry had a very good base. You can't take an ordinary Joe and have him turn out on-par with Henry lookswise just because he bulked up. The point is simply, that people's looks really start to show when they've got some muscle on them, and Henry's a good example.
 
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you actually have a point

people here are coping with pictures of him already decently gymmaxxed in Hollywood movies:




But if you look at candid, normal pictures of him as a regular citizen in his skinny teenage years, you wouldn't look twice at him:
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It wasn't until he started to bulk up a bit that his looks started to become noticeable:
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And by that time, he was already hitting major roles in large productions, the time the pictures other people have posted were taken.

Of course, nobody can deny Henry had a very good base. You can't take an ordinary Joe and have him turn out on-par with Henry lookswise just because he bulked up. The point is simply, that people's looks really start to show when they've got some muscle on them, and Henry's a good example.
Yes exactly. Exactly, Henry Cavill is above average in the face, but the main point that I was trying to make is that to succeed on Tinder with beautiful women, you only need to be muscular, you don't have to be perfect, because muscular men are a rare thing and women put them at the top of their priority list when searching for a hookup.

The top 3 main things that women care about on Tinder are:
1. Muscles
2. Height
3. Face

But you don't have to be extremely muscular to be muscular. Just 10-20 lbs of muscle added is usually noticeable.
 
Yes exactly. Exactly, Henry Cavill is above average in the face, but the main point that I was trying to make is that to succeed on Tinder with beautiful women, you only need to be muscular, you don't have to be perfect, because muscular men are a rare thing and women put them at the top of their priority list when searching for a hookup.

The top 3 main things that women care about on Tinder are:
1. Muscles
2. Height
3. Face

But you don't have to be extremely muscular to be muscular. Just 10-20 lbs of muscle added is usually noticeable.
I think if you have a sixpack and some other general definition you're ''muscular'' to women

no need to be an Olympia contestant
 
I think if you have a sixpack and some other general definition you're ''muscular'' to women

no need to be an Olympia contestant
A six pack alone isn't going to be enough. There is a huge difference between having a superhero physique (Captain America, Thor, Superman) and a skinny ripped physique.

Superhero:
Thor dark
Chris hemsworth workout for thor
4 Chris Evans Captain America Workout and Diet Plan
Evans 1581080119



Skinny Ripped physique:

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Brad pitt workout routine Main



The main difference between the 2 physiques is the bodyweight and the amount of muscle mass.

To be big, you need to bulk up a lot.
Of course, the average person is so weak that just cutting won't give them a body like Henry Cavill in Immortals, or Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

But, even me as a beginner, if I were to cut down, I would look very similar to the skinny ripped guys because I have more muscle on me than the average guy, but women would still see me as a DYEL.

I have seen guys who are 20% body fat who were so muscular that women didn't care about their six pack.

Most of the time, women care more about the size of your muscles than the definition of your six pack. Because muscles mean high testosterone but abs just mean you lack fat in the belly. Abs are still attractive of course, but not nearly as much as muscle size.

A guy with a superhero body at 15% body fat is going to have a better body than a guy who is skinny ripped at 8% body fat, at least according to most women.

This forum's obsession with leanness is counterproductive anyways because you can't build muscle as a natural if you're too lean. So the guys who are afraid of losing their six pack will never get muscular, that was one of my mistakes as a noob when I first started.
 

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