It is an honest question. He suffered for our sins and was humiliated on the cross, the thron crown etc etc. What level of pain and humiliation would he be willing to go to in order to save us? If his love is infinite then getting fucked by roman soldiers in the ass would be nothing for him.
Blasphemous.
You don't understand why exactly He died. I can understand it is an interesting question, but He died to pay our debts. Our debt is death, because the price of our sins is death. You are right that He humbled Himself because of His infinite love for us, but there was never a need to do anything for us outside of die to balance our scales
I know that faggot theology better than you, tge question is hypothetical, if the wage of sin was ass rape, would he do it?
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do
Are you trying to bait me or something? You obviously don't understand theology because death is a very specific punishment. It is the Lord taking away what is rightfully His. He breathes life through your nostrils, you are sustained by Him in every moment there is. Yes, He created and has a right to do what He wants with your body, but that is not using his negative liberty of rescinding His gift of life but not the positive liberty of defiling us, because He is good and gracious. Also, creating your own 'what about' theology presupposes athiesm.
is there something jesus would not do to save us? except cesing to exist or some such nonsene
dude didn't even die. he was back by the end of the weekend.
As I said you are creating your own theology and misunderstanding how God 'giveth and taketh away'. God does not give us any of these other things you speak of, He gives life to us and He gives us the earth and the animals. From us He takes away life unless we can let Him take our place by being born of new heart, and when He returns it will be the earth and the animals in harmony as He intends without our sin and without sinners.
if your ancient schizophrenics could so can I
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Are you interested in a property discussion of internal biblical covenants or are you here to spew shit and act smug? Get a grip and repent.
Your "theology" was made up by insane people that talked with god. I know it well to my great sorrow since I used to believe it once.
What makes you think that based on this post? It is a question that has to have an answer..No one has yet said either yes or no.
Well, I have to doubt that you know it very well considering your poor understanding of it but alright. I don't really give a shit to be honest, you want to make an internal critique of the Bible, that is you are asking that on the condition Jesus is God would he do x, so you must accept the bible as the grounds on which we discuss. If you ask an internal question and get an internal answer don't get all stroppy like a fucking child. If you want to make an external critique and say its made up, rescind you previous argument which you have given up on defending because you know it's a weak point, and make a critique on whether or not Jesus was resurrected, because if He was He is God and if not He is a fraud.
what is there to critique? the best we have is "trust me bro" from 2000 years ago
First I want you to admit your other argument was wrong and baseless like I said so we have one argument at a time. Now, there is lots of evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ as anyone who trained even a little bit on any apologetics would tell you, whether athiest, Muslim or Christian, they all have to answer to the compelling evidence and either say why they can disagree or why it convinced them. None of this hand wavey bullshit because you think just saying you feel like its wrong is better than thousands of years of apologetics debate.
literal worthless and baseless garbage
Way to ignore half of what I said, but alright. You clearly want to have a bad faith view and take potshots at me and at God because you feel like your were forced into something at a young age and missed out on sinning in your youth. So let me be clear here. There is far more evidence than that, and you haven't even refuted that point. However, if you won't even care to appreciate any evidence and call it all worthless and baseless garbage, then harden your heart and stop wasting people's time acting like you have a genuine question and instead enjoy your vile disgusting sinful life before you go and experience gnashing of teeth and lakes of fire upon which you shall perish. You wanted to rage bait? Well, congratulations. Now you can go and spend the rest of your worthless life spreading evil and hate and be glad that Christians are commanded to be so forgiving of your snarky bullshit that you are no longer put to death for this blasphemy. Get a job or something.
What is acording to you the best proof christ has risen from the dead? That is the most important of all questions. And if he really did rise from the dead there can be no more proof than for any other event 2000 years ago that did not leave some kind of a "hard" or forensic evidence like a meteor stike or a volcano eruption or a big battle that leaves skulls with wounds on them. All the evidence we can have is eyewitness. And that is poor evidence.
there’s no evidence, no evidence that was within 20 years of the stories in the bible happening, all the “evidence” is at least 100 years later, and the story could be so skewed at that point. the bible is also illogical in general
We have evidence from much closer than that, be informed. Quoted 3 to 5 years after Jesus had died, Paul writes in 1 Cor 15 3-5 "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve." There is no illogic only the divine. Our evidence is much closer in time than you understand, and this is also the only central miracle that could be falsified unlike other religions, but it was not. You are foolish and should repent.
by evidence i mean stuff outside the bible, written and documented within a 20 year window. there is none. just “eye witnesses” (which cannot be trusted and are only mentioned in the bible, like the 500 people gathered for jesus’s resurrection is only mentioned in the bible and we don’t even know why they were there)
Well, the biggest issue with this is that anyone who wrote about their viewing of a risen Jesus Christ almost certainly would convert, take the apostle Paul for instance. But we do have records from the time of for example Roman soldiers who saw the empty tomb being paid off to keep it a secret because the Romans didn't want Christianity to take over. Of course we also have stuff like the shroud of Turin but I know you will refuse that as evidence. By the way, it was the women, that is Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of Jesus, and a few others who were there and the hundreds you speak of were on the road to Damascus.
i’ve never heard of ts, i couldn’t find any evidence on it, just people saying it happened on a christian website.
because its been proven false so of course
the bible never even gives a description on the people and there’s no reason for all 500 of them to just be there 3 days after he died just waiting makes no sense
No need to debate atheists they’re stubborn and just reject the Bible cuz “muh bible haha man written therefore false”
he went through 3 days of hell for our sins. The worst imaginable pain
