Christian Q n A thread

[khann]

90% of religious people regardless of the religion have blind faith though…

It’s only the 10% such as myself that actually search deeper and deeper and deeper to find the truth and in so doing gain true understanding of religious belief systems.

I would even go on to say 95% of the religious people dont question their faith and just follow it blindly which is stupid asf.

 

[iblamexyz]

99% of the time the ex Christian’s who became Muslim were usually Arians or some stupid crying heretic like my irl buddy who never believed Jesus was divine or in the trinity yet he’d say he was a Christian

Or they are the idiots who are too stupid to go on Google and search up their question for example a guy left because the concept of the Mysteries in Eastern Orthodoxy. Instead of actually figuring out what the term meant properly he just rage quitted. When mysteries jsut refers to sacraments and things of god that cannot be empicallt explained by science for example how the bread and wine become flesh and blood during the Eucharist

Matthew 13:15:

For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes— so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.

I believe this happens to 'believers' also in my church we call these people confused Christians

they 'believe' or were baptised into Christian and claim to be a Christian without being Christ like due to not reading the gospels or not being taught

but overall I think 13:15 talks about disbelievers

just like:

Matthew 7:6

“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.

 

[iblamexyz]

90% of religious people regardless of the religion have blind faith though…

It’s only the 10% such as myself that actually search deeper and deeper and deeper to find the truth and in so doing gain true understanding of religious belief systems.

depressing statistic

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

depressing statistic

I am pulling it outta my ass but most people belive in what they do due to upbringing and culture and societal norms.


Christian’s in the west are less religious than other groups and less cohesive so tend to be the most open to delving into other beliefs especially as Christian’s in general tend to be more accommodating to peoples new fads.

Muslims Jehovah witnesses Mormons and other cults have a thing where if you leave everybody cute you off, your whole community revolves around them, your identity is them, your family is them even your work place. Some like Islam even have death penalty for Apostasy JW literally are said they have to cut you off if you leave and I mean CUT YOU OFF.

Point is most follow why they do as a sign of conformity but Christian’s (in the west) are the ones most accepting of people leaving. But in Africa and MENA Christianity is a big deal to the Christian’s there and they will cut you off if you become a Muslim or leave the faith

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Matthew 13:15:

For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes— so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.

I believe this happens to 'believers' also in my church we call these people confused Christians

they 'believe' or were baptised into Christian and claim to be a Christian without being Christ like due to not reading the gospels or not being taught

but overall I think 13:15 talks about disbelievers

just like:

Matthew 7:6

“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.

This is just “cultural” Christian.

Matthew 7:6 isn’t speaking about shitty Christian’s though it’s speaking about those who reject the truth and are enemies off the faith.

Better verses for this would be 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and 2 Timothy 4:3-5

Also Hebrews 6 speaks specifically about those who were Christian’s then lost faith

This is why this stupid sola fide (FAITH ALONE ) shit is gay and dumb

 

[Kayra139]

Chapter of ant sounds like this verse

1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.


Love the SCP joke I sometime meme saying imagine is Islam god and Judeo Christian gods are both real will be funny both will have to fight ahahaha there can only be one

Thanks for all of this man I'll be putting thought to it but I think you would expect a answer from me.. though I am no scholar or researched in this type of stuff but I'll just go off the ones that I may know of as respect for your geniune work, also about the joke, totally ;D

EXEGESIS Of Hadith:
Well my contention with your exegesis of that Hadiths that the Hadith doesn’t at all state “some” Christian’s it says “Christians and jews” in place of Muslims in hellfire so it’s clearly an discrepancy between Hadith and Quran.

You're right to notice that the hadith you mentioned states that "the Jews and the Christians" will be in place of Muslims in Hellfire. At first glance that may seem like it contradicts the Quran but, in classical Arabic and prophetic speech, groups are often referred to in general terms, even if they refer to certain members within that group, particularly those who knowingly rejected truth after it came to them. The Quran repeatedly makes clear that no one is punished unjustly, and that no soul bears the burden of another (Quran 6:164). It also says that no one is punished until a messenger has been sent to them (Quran 17:15). So, the hadith isn’t saying all Jews and Christians are condemned rather it’s referring to those among them who reject the truth after it becomes clear. There's no contradiction, but rather a case of general language being used for this specific context.

Here is an verse that is further evidence that the hadith cannot refer to all groups of Christians & Jews

“Indeed, those who believe [in Islam], and those who are Jews, Christians, and Sabians & whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good shall have their reward with their Lord. They will not fear nor grieve.”

If we are people’s off the book and sura 5:47-48 state to us to follow our revelations and books and remain Christian and Jews to compete with one another to see who pleases Allah the most why am I then to be punished?

Surah 547–48 does not say Christians and Jews should "remain" as they are forever rather it’s addressing them in their context before the final message was complete.
Allah azzawajal tells them to judge by what He revealed in their own books, because the Quran had not yet been fully revealed or accepted by all. Then in verse 48, Allah says: “To each of you We have prescribed a law and a method… So compete in good deeds.”
This verse actually shows divine wisdom in gradually revealing the truth, not that all religions are equally valid forever.

Though when Islam came as the final complete revelation (This day I have perfected for you your religion.) the message was now universal, not just for one tribe or nation.
So, once someone has been clearly presented with the message of Islam and understands that the Qur’an is from Allah and Muhammad is His final messenger, then rejecting that message becomes a serious choice.
It's not about being punished for being born Christian or Jewish, it's about what someone does when the truth reaches them clearly. Allah is completely just and merciful.. if someone never heard the truth properly or was confused by false teachings, then Allah judges them fairly (Quran 17:15)

So you arre only accountable if you clearly received the final message and then knowingly turned away from it.
The Quran calls Jews and Christians “People of the Book” respectfully, but it also calls them to the truth of Islam once it arrives. Remaining in the old path after the truth has come is no longer obedience, it becomes stubbornness.
And that's why there's accountability and not because of your religion's name but because of your response to Allah's guidance.
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Oh also about the worst creature and best friend part, it might sound really confusing at first, but it’s actually about different situations.
When the Quran calls some “worst of creatures,” it’s talking about those who knowingly rejected the truth of Islam and actively oppose it. It’s not saying all Christians and Jews are bad people. It’s more about their attitude and actions when they turn away from the message after knowing it clearly and as we know on the flip side, the Quran also says some Christians and Jews are the best friends to Muslims, meaning peoplee who live right, treat others well, and respect each other. Soo these verses aren’t contradicting each other, they just show two different realities of groups, Some oppose and reject and they get strong words. Others live peacefully and righteously and can be close friends, I hope this cleared up the misunderstanding, sometimes you may have to dig it out more than the surface but hey I don't research bible verses like that too so I understand if you don't too, if anything I can answer any Quranic verses you have trouble with, though I would prefer if you privately messaged them to me more so we can finish off here easier : ) and please be patient with me-

(I'll cut here to sleep early for prayer but if you like my responses and believe we can reach somewhere I'll finish off the ones I can tomorrow ;D though I must say that I am no debater, I can't wait to tell you the miracles of the Quran when it's my turn I guess, bless you!)

 

[shredded4summer]

I've read your posts before bro this what I meant your relationship with your ex

the ''my experience with teenage love''

you see you depended on her for your love and happiness

for the most part your existence

I read how ur ex had a lot of issues

you we as sinners have a lot of issue's

I am not too sure what drove you off Jesus but I would have to guess your influence

Let's start with how did you get into Christianity (was it thru family?)

did you read the gospel's?

when did you leave Christianity?

How often did you go to church?

you see god will give you the void your trying to fulfil

and god will give you that love your searching for

My family is not religious and I was never religious but 2 of my very close friends were very religious. They never tried to make me Christian but when I was apart from those friends I feel like god tried to pull me into Christianity with those friends. I went to church one day just because I felt like it while I walked by one and felt really impacted. Also some guy gave me a bible 1 year ago that I had kept in my room so I started reading a couple stuff and it felt impactful. Then I learned more from YouTube amd decided to try to become Christian and find faith even tho I didn’t have it. I tried that for a few months and i never became close. I haven’t been to church much because I live in Malaysia

I fundamentally disagree with things in the bible and feel like there are contradictions but I understand that if god is real he created us so he must be right but at the same time there needs to be proof for me to believe it

 

[iblamexyz]

My family is not religious and I was never religious but 2 of my very close friends were very religious. They never tried to make me Christian but when I was apart from those friends I feel like god tried to pull me into Christianity with those friends. I went to church one day just because I felt like it while I walked by one and felt really impacted. Also some guy gave me a bible 1 year ago that I had kept in my room so I started reading a couple stuff and it felt impactful. Then I learned more from YouTube amd decided to try to become Christian and find faith even tho I didn’t have it. I tried that for a few months and i never became close. I haven’t been to church much because I live in Malaysia

I fundamentally disagree with things in the bible and feel like there are contradictions but I understand that if god is real he created us so he must be right but at the same time there needs to be proof for me to believe it

I am really glad you had that spiritual encounter

your story is similar to mine

it's okay to disagree with certain acts

but I feel from the stories I have read from (I might wrong)

but your trying to chase that love from god again?

but not find in Jesus, but in women that's why your ex's haven't worked

I wonder where you started in the bible

I am slightly frustrated that no one told you start in the gospels or at least Matthew

I would have to assume you started in Genesis,

which most likely freaked you a little bit

I am going to keep praying for you bro

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I am really glad you had that spiritual encounter

your story is similar to mine

it's okay to disagree with certain acts

but I feel from the stories I have read from (I might wrong)

but your trying to chase that love from god again?

but not find in Jesus, but in women that's why your ex's haven't worked

I wonder where you started in the bible

I am slightly frustrated that no one told you start in the gospels or at least Matthew

I would have to assume you started in Genesis,

which most likely freaked you a little bit

I am going to keep praying for you bro

It’s best to refute others ideologies first then show how yours fills in the gaps.

It’s called negative and positive argument

My Mohammeden buddy is trying to sue au to say Islam is religion of peace and all the wars Mohammed called for are completely self defence. But he’s coping hard

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

My family is not religious and I was never religious but 2 of my very close friends were very religious. They never tried to make me Christian but when I was apart from those friends I feel like god tried to pull me into Christianity with those friends. I went to church one day just because I felt like it while I walked by one and felt really impacted. Also some guy gave me a bible 1 year ago that I had kept in my room so I started reading a couple stuff and it felt impactful. Then I learned more from YouTube amd decided to try to become Christian and find faith even tho I didn’t have it. I tried that for a few months and i never became close. I haven’t been to church much because I live in Malaysia

I fundamentally disagree with things in the bible and feel like there are contradictions but I understand that if god is real he created us so he must be right but at the same time there needs to be proof for me to believe it

There are no contradictions in the Bible.


Brother this is a Q N A thread


Ask meeeee


Ask meeeee to clear up anything and EVERYTHING I’ll do it for you .

If you want it can be in PMs

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

there’s a lot of things that would make me believe in god, I tried to believe in Christianity and read the bible. I called myself Christian for a while too cause I thought I believed in it through sheerly convincing myself it made sense when it never did.



I don’t know something exactly that would convince me cause a lot of things would but I just wanna know why you think I should believe in the bible.

I didn’t see this comment my bad

I really appreciate your honesty — seriously. It takes guts to admit that you tried to believe but didn’t want to fake it. That shows integrity, not stubbornness.

You asked why I think you should believe in the Bible. For me, it’s not just about forcing belief or saying ‘it makes sense’ in a vacuum. It’s that the Bible speaks to the deepest parts of our humanity: our longing for meaning, our experience of brokenness, our search for truth, and the hope of healing and redemption.

What convinced me wasn’t just logic — though the historical and prophetic consistency of Scripture is powerful — but the way the story of Christ uniquely answers the human condition. God doesn’t just shout from heaven; He enters history, suffers with us, dies for us, and offers transformation.

That’s not a myth or moral tale. It’s either the most beautiful lie ever told… or the most important truth in existence.

I’m not asking you to pretend something makes sense. I’m asking: what if it really happened? What if the resurrection is true? If so, then everything changes — not just how we think, but who we are.

I’d be happy to walk with you through your doubts — not to pressure you, but to explore together. Because faith doesn’t mean blind belief; it means trusting based on reason and encounter. And if Christ is real, you’ll find He’s already been seeking you


You’ll find the Bible says to be able to give an account for why you believe and for you to search, Jesus wants you to look for him here’s a few verses for you

1 Peter 3:15 in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have in Christ.
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

 

[shiezen]

Well I have a complex question.
Why do you believe in God?
Whatever you tell me, it all comes to one thing, you need some type of saviour to end your endless questions about afterlife and give you hope that you will live forever and not just get back to that non existent feeling like before you were born.
Why do you think it won't be just your energy floating around without anything else like eternal bless?
99,99% will just think there is something to COPE and that is an absolute truth.
My question is "Would you believe in God even if you knew that you would live forever?"
Basically you won't need to go to heaven or hell because you simply will never die
Would you still have a faith and why?

 

[thedarkoverlord_666]

Imagine asking why and getting ‘because the book says so.’ That’s not faith that’s intellectual laziness dressed up as spirituality. If you were born in Pakistan you’d be quoting the Quran. If you were born in India, you’d be talking about Krishna. You weren’t ‘chosen by Christ,’ you were just born in a ZIP code with a Bible in every hotel drawer.

You didn’t find the truth, you were handed it like default character settings. And now you’re acting like citing a verse makes you enlightened when really you’re just parroting what your parents and Sunday school fed you.

Belief isn’t proof. If location changes your ‘eternal truth,’ then it was never universal to begin with, it was just indoctrination with local flavor.

Let’s be honest, most dudes cling to Christianity because they want structure without thinking. It’s looksmaxxing for the soul: slap on a belief system, feel morally superior, avoid confronting the void. You didn’t choose the truth, you inherited it and never questioned it.

You talk similarly to chatGPT

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Well I have a complex question.
Why do you believe in God?
Whatever you tell me, it all comes to one thing, you need some type of saviour to end your endless questions about afterlife and give you hope that you will live forever and not just get back to that non existent feeling like before you were born.
Why do you think it won't be just your energy floating around without anything else like eternal bless?
99,99% will just think there is something to COPE and that is an absolute truth.
My question is "Would you believe in God even if you knew that you would live forever?"
Basically you won't need to go to heaven or hell because you simply will never die
Would you still have a faith and why?

Nope that’s why you THINK I belive in god but not why I believe in god

Ironically most believers also don’t belive for this reason even though the avg thirst I admit has shit reasons to believe. It jsut goes to show how sad and pathetic the atheist outlook is on life that when they try to import our paradigms why fail to see why we believe

REASON WHY I BELIVE:

The Transcendental Argument for God says:

God must exist because the very possibility of logic, morality, and knowledge depends on Him. It’s not a typical “evidence-based” argument. Instead, it asks: “What must be true for rational thought to even make sense?”

1. Laws of logic, morality, and science are:
   • Universal
   • Immaterial
   • Invariant (don’t change over time)
2. In a godless/materialist universe:
   • Everything is physical, changing, and subjective.
   • There’s no grounding for immaterial, unchanging absolutes.
3. Therefore:
   • If you use logic, trust reason, or claim objective morality, you’re presupposing the Christian God’s nature — even if you deny Him.
4. Only the triune God of Scripture explains:
   • Unity and diversity in logic
   • Objective moral law
   • The preconditions for intelligibility and rationality

It would literally be philosophically agnostic and thefore ILLOGICAL to say there is no god and I wouldn’t even be able to trust my own senses that reality as I see it is real my sense data yours all humans could be wrong or distorted etc. without god nothing can be grounded and just is. Even you as an atheist when you assert value judgements on things your importing my framework because in atheism there is no such thing as “Progress” or “Decline” or “good” and “evil” just a grey mesh of “Just is bro” you can’t even say slavery is “wrong” because once again that’s an value statement which literally doesn’t have ontological existence as ethics are jsut man made concepts same with “truth” and “falsehood”, and no, appealing to “But MUH human rights “ by what standard does human life have any value ontologically? Where is this “human rights” can I touch it see it feel it? No ? Then it isn’t real, another convention.


See what I mean? Just a taster, point is I prefer understanding the world and not being a hypocrite and believing in illogical things hence why I’m Christian

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You talk similarly to chatGPT

We both know what he used to write it don’t we ahahah. Tbh I don’t mind it if it gets a point across that’s been said 10k times already that’s how I use it here myself

 

[Aladin]

If God knew Adam and Eve were gonna sin, couldn’t he have created them a tad different so they would choose not to sin, while still maintaining “free will.”?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

If God knew Adam and Eve were gonna sin, couldn’t he have created them a tad different so they would choose not to sin, while still maintaining “free will.”?

I answer this in the beginning of page 3 to @davinci

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Good analogy, but I’d offer another analogy let’s say a surgeon permits pain to save a patient. The patient might think, “Why are you cutting me open?” But the surgeon knows: “You’ll thank me later, when you’re alive and healed.” humanity was not in a perfect, finished state in Eden. Adam and Eve were innocent, but not yet mature or divinized. They were meant to grow into full communion with God. The fall didn’t introduce a need for salvation arbitrarily. It revealed the depth of that need and God’s plan to meet it with radical, self-giving love in Christ.

God permits sin and suffering (He doesn’t cause it), because in His foreknowledge and power, He can bring from it something far greater, union with Him not as creatures only, but as children, partakers of divine nature (2 Peter 1:4)

He could had made us perfected and divinised from the start but then we’d not have the choice and just be robots, that’s not love but just control. God created humans and that creation entails sallowing us to have the ABILITY to sin he doesn’t want this ofc but he permits it because he wants you to choose him by your own choice. Ironically this is what hell is, the rejection of god.

So God allows the “broken leg” not to flex His power, but because in the healing comes a transformation and union that never would have been possible otherwise. The goal is not just a fixed leg it’s a new creation.






So why doesn’t god perfect us from the beginning ? Because we are to become what we are made to be, feee loving etc which requires more than simple reception BUT TRANSFORMATION.

Imagine god just magically making us perfected in our love to him unshakable will etc. Would that be you anymore? Or would you just be a kind of divine puppet?

Even with God’s omnipotence, hes limited not in terms of His power, but in what’s logically coherent with love and freedom. He can’t force you to freely love Him, just like He can’t create a square circle. To become truly like Him, we have to walk the path.

Now the ill admit yes god allows suffering and it’s brutal but here’s the thing brother, God doesn’t throw us in front of the train. He walks with us on the tracks in front of it, absorbing the blow Himself.

This is what makes Christianity unique: God enters into human suffering, not just watching us endure it, but sharing it to the fullest in Christ, even unto death. He doesn’t stand far off, demanding you grow through pain. He descends into the furnace with you (Daniel 3 fun fact my irl name is based on one of the characters in the furnace )


Honestly An Russian priest had an entire lecture on this in Russian and I stole this last from him but he was critiquing Islam saying how can Allah/Judaism judge us when he hasn’t ever felt or walked in our shoes. For example. But the point remains. This is what makes Christianity unique and why it has the most beautiful Sotorology and justifications. @Kayra139 you may like this post because you may be confused as to why Jesus became a human for us

@Aladin

 

[keife]

How’d you get so smart to answer all these questions?
What creators would you recommend to watch to learn more from? I only really follow ppl like cliffe or Sam shamoun rn
How would you go about trying to bring someone to Christianity?
Also how would I go about finding a good church as I’ve never been to a Orthodox Church and don’t know what to look for

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How’d you get so smart to answer all these questions?
What creators would you recommend to watch to learn more from? I only really follow ppl like cliffe or Sam shamoun rn
How would you go about trying to bring someone to Christianity?
Also how would I go about finding a good church as I’ve never been to a Orthodox Church and don’t know what to look for

Cliff ain’t that good tbh cos he’s a Protestant. Alll Protestants are braindead with this shit tbh.

Sam as smart as he is has mental issues but I cannot deny much of my own knowledge comes from him. Jay dyer imo is the best one to watch he is a Philosopher and is arguably the greatest debater in our modern times he also is a savant at Church history. Jay also cited books you should read such as St John Damascus “On the Holy Spirit” and the Ambiguim to learn about the trinity (Written by St Maximus the confessor). Also the councils writings from st basil of Caesaria and his brothers Gregory of Nyaziasys, and Gregory of Nyssa aka the “Cappadocians” you can learn a lot from their letters for example how and why the trinity doesn’t contradict logic with St Basils “On the Holy Spirit 18:44-45” where he explains it in depth. No Protestant will be able to give such knowledge for they are idiots with no tradition, Roman Catholics don’t like using these guys too much because their beliefs in Filioque etc run contrary to what the early church taught so Catholics also skirt around the fathers


He’s even better to watch than Sam shamoun as he debates every worldview. Sam is great if you want scripture knowledge and to debunk Shitslam. But beyond that he’s not the best.

Killing gets trumped by random Catholics and orthodox Christian’s not because he’s dumb but because his position is untenable. Protestants rely on the ignorance of non Christian’s regarding our position but once they come face to face with an actual ancient church member like a Orthodox person they crumble that’s why the Ethiopian kid bullied him badly and made him say shit like “Vatican 3” even though only Roman Catholics follow that shit

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How’d you get so smart to answer all these questions?
What creators would you recommend to watch to learn more from? I only really follow ppl like cliffe or Sam shamoun rn
How would you go about trying to bring someone to Christianity?
Also how would I go about finding a good church as I’ve never been to a Orthodox Church and don’t know what to look for

Ultimately most people won’t convert no matter how good your arguments are for as Jerimiah says and psalms “The heart is deceitful” humans are arrogant. But I say start by destoying or showing them their own BELIFS are rediculous as that’s the only way you’ll get them to consider yours then teach them how your belifs fill these gaps or provide a better alternative/explanation. I also heard Tactics by Greg Koukl on how to evangelize is a good book on the subject. But I’d say practice makes perfect.

To find an Orthodox Church I suggest Googling Eastern Orthodox churches I’d say look for Russian, Greek, Antiochian (this one is best for converts as the Liturgy service is usually in the managing of the country they are in but sometimes Arabic) Serbian and Romanian. But look up on GPT if they are real orthodox and not some Schismatics. But generally you’ll be fine if you go to one of them. I suggest avoiding most OCA churches for they are SOY milk but BUT like I said before it depends on the parish.

I suggest you pray before you search, I did this and God sent me to a English priest I like, it’s 1.3hrs from where I live but I enjoy going there but as I’m poor now I can’t attend there anymore so I don’t the Greek services I go 2.

If you can’t find any simply look up the bishops phone number on the jurisdictions website for your region and you should be able to communicate with him and he’ll get back in touch or somebody, I have also heard of priests traveling hours to give people the Eucharist once every couple months for Latin Americans . So yeah just depends brother but I’d look up their website so if Antiochian look up for example “British Jurisdiction Antiochian church website/phone number”

Or you can find the specific Parishes phone number (from their website) and from there you can call them and they’ll guide you that’s how I ended up coming

 

[Aladin]

Good analogy, but I’d offer another analogy let’s say a surgeon permits pain to save a patient. The patient might think, “Why are you cutting me open?” But the surgeon knows: “You’ll thank me later, when you’re alive and healed.” humanity was not in a perfect, finished state in Eden. Adam and Eve were innocent, but not yet mature or divinized. They were meant to grow into full communion with God. The fall didn’t introduce a need for salvation arbitrarily. It revealed the depth of that need and God’s plan to meet it with radical, self-giving love in Christ.

God permits sin and suffering (He doesn’t cause it), because in His foreknowledge and power, He can bring from it something far greater, union with Him not as creatures only, but as children, partakers of divine nature (2 Peter 1:4)

He could had made us perfected and divinised from the start but then we’d not have the choice and just be robots, that’s not love but just control. God created humans and that creation entails sallowing us to have the ABILITY to sin he doesn’t want this ofc but he permits it because he wants you to choose him by your own choice. Ironically this is what hell is, the rejection of god.

So God allows the “broken leg” not to flex His power, but because in the healing comes a transformation and union that never would have been possible otherwise. The goal is not just a fixed leg it’s a new creation.






So why doesn’t god perfect us from the beginning ? Because we are to become what we are made to be, feee loving etc which requires more than simple reception BUT TRANSFORMATION.

Imagine god just magically making us perfected in our love to him unshakable will etc. Would that be you anymore? Or would you just be a kind of divine puppet?

Even with God’s omnipotence, hes limited not in terms of His power, but in what’s logically coherent with love and freedom. He can’t force you to freely love Him, just like He can’t create a square circle. To become truly like Him, we have to walk the path.

Now the ill admit yes god allows suffering and it’s brutal but here’s the thing brother, God doesn’t throw us in front of the train. He walks with us on the tracks in front of it, absorbing the blow Himself.

This is what makes Christianity unique: God enters into human suffering, not just watching us endure it, but sharing it to the fullest in Christ, even unto death. He doesn’t stand far off, demanding you grow through pain. He descends into the furnace with you (Daniel 3 fun fact my irl name is based on one of the characters in the furnace )


Honestly An Russian priest had an entire lecture on this in Russian and I stole this last from him but he was critiquing Islam saying how can Allah/Judaism judge us when he hasn’t ever felt or walked in our shoes. For example. But the point remains. This is what makes Christianity unique and why it has the most beautiful Sotorology and justifications. @Kayra139 you may like this post because you may be confused as to why Jesus became a human for us

That doesn’t answer the question couldn’t God allow free will and make it so Adam and Eve don’t choose to eat?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

That doesn’t answer the question couldn’t God allow free will and make it so Adam and Eve don’t choose to eat?

How is it free will if he removes their option to eat? Besides once we who have chosen him in this life die we will be with god and we will have unlimited choices but due to us in communion with God we will only do all that is in accordance to his all holy nature.


Honestly this is the best explanation as to why he did this otherwise we’d be automatons either no choice. Even Satan had free will that’s why him and one third of angels betrayed him

 

[Aladin]

How is it free will if he removes their option to eat?

No, I didn’t suggest removing free will. I’m suggesting create their natures different so their free will is used in a different manner.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

No, I didn’t suggest removing free will. I’m suggesting create their natures different so their free will is used in a different manner.

That’s exactly what does happen during the eschaton . Those who chose to be with gods will have their nature in line with him and won’t have possibility of doing sin.

But first before that god had to MAKE SURE which humans want to be with him first. That’s the whole point of the incarnation of Christ lmfao he came to uplift and purify human nature because if god now has human nature grafted to himself guess what that means? That’s means universally all humans can now be with god for eternity and saved that’s the whole message

Jesus Christ literally did what you already said but as I said it WOULDNT be fair to make humans automatons so god gave us the free will to do as will pleased first

 

[LegendaryKennen]

slave

 

[Aladin]

That’s exactly what does happen during the eschaton . Those who chose to be with gods will have their nature in line with him and won’t have possibility of doing sin.

But first before that god had to MAKE SURE which humans want to be with him first. That’s the whole point of the incarnation of Christ lmfao he came to uplift and purify human nature because if god now has human nature grafted to himself guess what that means? That’s means universally all humans can now be with god for eternity and saved that’s the whole message

Jesus Christ literally did what you already said but as I said it WOULDNT be fair to make humans automatons so god gave us the free will to do as will pleased first

I didn’t suggest making humans automatons, I said making it so the free will is used to not eat from the forbidden tree.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I didn’t suggest making humans automatons, I said making it so the free will is used to not eat from the forbidden tree.

I have answered your question… if you don’t like how god does shit take it up with him. I answered you sufficiently but now your crying cos god didn’t make us automatons immediately well yeah go ask him or read Job 38 and you’ll see Gods answer yourself.

 

[Aladin]

I have answered your question… if you don’t like how god does shit take it up with him. I answered you sufficiently but now your crying cos god didn’t make us automatons immediately well yeah go ask him or read Job 38 and you’ll see Gods answer yourself.

Dude, I never said for God to make us automatons stop twisting words.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

slave

Is this a question I don’t get it? Are humans slaves to god sure? Ok so what I’m a slave off god. Your a slave to your desired which you cannot control

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Dude, I never said for God to make us automatons stop twisting words.

Job 38, isiah 55 go read it and you have your answer

You’re a protcuck aren’t you? Then go listen to what the Bible says

 

[LegendaryKennen]

Is this a question I don’t get it? Are humans slaves to god sure? Ok so what I’m a slave off god. Your a slave to your desired which you cannot control

yes i too obey skygods in 2025

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

yes i too obey skygods in 2025

God isn’t in the sky he’s not material. At least know what we belive in you stupid cunt

 

[Aladin]

God isn’t in the sky he’s not material. At least know what we belive in you stupid cunt

Is profane language fine for Christians?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Is profane language fine for Christians?

Probably not but depends on the context. I always wondered why idiots love to say this shit? Like bruv you don’t even know what constitutes as “Profanity” it’s not ineffable thing meaning that it doesn’t elaborate on what “profanity” is because you can read Matthew 23 or even acts 14 where Paul and Jesus rebuke the Pharisees and Paul rebukes an Sorcerer

But yes depends on what your using the word for as language is complex and a bad word can be a good word and depends on what it’s used for. I suggest you read Titus 1:15

 

[MongolTurk]

no disrespect taken you hardly know me my brother

your worried I may mess up

at the end day

Deuteronomy 32:4:
He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.

our lord is perfect and everything which is written was logical and can be explained

You can mess up as bad as you want, you won’t be as bad of a representative as OP

As a Christian, he’s been so insufferable and emotional on his own thread. Reeks of insecurity, hatred, and ignorance.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You can mess up as bad as you want, you won’t be as bad of a representative as OP

As a Christian, he’s been so insufferable and emotional on his own thread. Reeks of insecurity, hatred, and ignorance.

A lot of ad hominems here jsut for you not to provide any evidence off what you say. Yes I reply in kind to fools, read proverbs 26:5 clearly you don’t know the Bible . My job is to teach, not be a soft pushover, I am educating people I never claimed I’d be nice about it either

What I was saying to @iblamexyz wasn’t that he didn’t have heart he has heart and I view him as a brother fr fr however his knowledge in defending his faith just isn’t at a level where he can defend it against the Gaytheists. Theres a reason why on this very thread the atheists run from my replies once they realise their beliefs are redundant and then go for him because he’s an easy target they know he can’t refute them or defend his beliefs logically. That’s why I sent him sources so he can learn how to better defend his faith from descenting opinions

anyways instead of coming to talk shit about me do you have a question ?

 

[Aladin]

Was Mary sinless? Would she have eaten from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Was Mary sinless? Would she have eaten from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil?

She was sinless and saved by grace from god


So no, mary is the new “Eve” the pure ark of the Covenant

 

[Aladin]

She was sinless and saved by grace from god


So no, mary is the new “Eve” the pure ark of the Covenant

So she wouldn’t eat from the forbidden tree if she was put in Eve’s place?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So she wouldn’t eat from the forbidden tree if she was put in Eve’s place?

Ofc not because she had a purpose in which gods grace and divine will protected her from that’s why she never sinned

 

[Aladin]

Ofc not because she had a purpose in which gods grace and divine will protected her from that’s why she never sinned

So did she have free will?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So did she have free will?

Yeh she did… she was in theosis so she worked in line with gods divine will lmfao

 

[Aladin]

Yeh she did… she was in theosis so she worked in line with gods divine will lmfao

What does “theosis” mean?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What does “theosis” mean?

Google is your friend or ask gpt to explain it

 

[Aladin]

Google is your friend or ask gpt to explain it

So Mary had free will. She wouldn’t have eaten from the tree.

So is it possible that god could have given eve an inherent nature in which she wouldn’t eat from the tree while not violating “free will.”

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So Mary had free will. She wouldn’t have eaten from the tree.

So is it possible that god could have given eve an inherent nature in which she wouldn’t eat from the tree while not violating “free will.”

Eve didn’t have the same overall foundational role in sanctification and salvation as Mary. Mary was literally filled with grace and Is unironically the perfect expression and example of our future states when we go with god. The possibility of all outcomes but all being good.

This is why Like 1 30-42 says she is FULL OFF GRACE the word is Greek means overflowing beyond grace.

Eve didn’t have this theosis she was like us normie humans that’s why she fell,


So yes God could had done that for all of us sure but that wasn’t his plan and he only did it for her due to her having a specific function

 

[Aladin]

Eve didn’t have the same overall foundational role in sanctification and salvation as Mary. Mary was literally filled with grace and Is unironically the perfect expression and example of our future states when we go with god. The possibility of all outcomes but all being good.

This is why Like 1 30-42 says she is FULL OFF GRACE the word is Greek means overflowing beyond grace.

Eve didn’t have this theosis she was like us normie humans that’s why she fell,


So yes God could had done that for all of us sure but that wasn’t his plan and he only did it for her due to her having a specific function

So God could have made eve better and save humanity from hell but didn’t for “reasons.”

 

[iblamexyz]

A lot of ad hominems here jsut for you not to provide any evidence off what you say. Yes I reply in kind to fools, read proverbs 26:5 clearly you don’t know the Bible . My job is to teach, not be a soft pushover, I am educating people I never claimed I’d be nice about it either

What I was saying to @iblamexyz wasn’t that he didn’t have heart he has heart and I view him as a brother fr fr however his knowledge in defending his faith just isn’t at a level where he can defend it against the Gaytheists. Theres a reason why on this very thread the atheists run from my replies once they realise their beliefs are redundant and then go for him because he’s an easy target they know he can’t refute them or defend his beliefs logically. That’s why I sent him sources so he can learn how to better defend his faith from descenting opinions

anyways instead of coming to talk shit about me do you have a question ?

very high iq response as always

your right at the end of the day, but I like the challenge and I try my very best

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So God could have made eve better and save humanity from hell but didn’t for “reasons.”

In a sense yes because god had an overall reason a purpose that humans will grow into our faith not just be magically spawned with it.

As I said Eve is a prototype for what all humans will become life during the eschaton but that’s about it.

So yes god can do anything he wants even what you said but god works in mysterious ways and he only did so with Mary for salvific purpose as an example the same with when Jesus did the transfiguration to the apostles and showed himself in all his glory along with Moses and Elijah to the apostles.

You see everything god does has a deeper reason and purpose that’s why you ought not ever question his divine will he’s so wise it’s crazy glory to god in the highest @iblamexyz