christians are so cucked

[Aladin]

We must pray in Jesus name so God listens our prayers. Otherwise he won't listen. Thats why you say in the name of Jesus, the holy spirit and fathers, amen. Judging by your own name is wrong and won't work because only Jesus judges. Even if you judge someone a Sinner its irrelevant because Jesus will judge that person. You will also be judged by the way you judged that person.

Judged the way you just that person means that if you judge them for a certain sin then you will be judged for that particular sin if you do it, hence why Jesus was against hypocrisy, which is being against a certain behavior while participating in it yourself (see: homophobes who end up engaging in homosexual acts)

why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath? 24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.” judging correctly = doing what god says.

No it means that you shouldn’t judge the wrong way but the right way.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

Judged the way you just that person means that if you judge them for a certain sin then you will be judged for that particular sin if you do it, hence why Jesus was against hypocrisy, which is being against a certain behavior while participating in it yourself (see: homophobes who end up engaging in homosexual acts)

No it means that you shouldn’t judge the wrong way but the right way.

You're repeating the same nonsense which I debunked already.

He says there "you hypocrite, first take your plank out of your own eye"

in the ancient Greek text he says plank that means a bigger sin than the mote. So it's not same sin like ur saying. You said if you don't do the same sin you can judge others. That's wrong as u see. Don't judge if ur a sinner urself or ur a hypocrite.

The same happened with the stoning. Jesus said everyone who never sinned shall throw the first stone.

This is about the Sabbath. We are allowed to help people on the Sabbath and shouldn't judge people who do. If you break the Sabbat ur already judged by god.

 

[Aladin]

The same happened with the stoning. Jesus said everyone who never sinned shall throw the first stone.

This is an argument used against the death penalty, but Jesus never said he was against the death penalty. The death penalty is warranted when certain crimes are committed. And who sentences them to death? A JUDGE.

Imagine going to court and telling the Judge “don’t Judge me”, or telling a police officer after a traffic violation “that which has not sinned may write me a ticket, don’t judge”

It’s stupid. Righteous judgment is good.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

This is an argument used against the death penalty, but Jesus never said he was against the death penalty. The death penalty is warranted when certain crimes are committed. And who sentences them to death? A JUDGE.

Imagine going to court and telling the Judge “don’t Judge me”, or telling a police officer after a traffic violation “that which has not sinned may write me a ticket, don’t judge”

It’s stupid. Righteous judgment is good.

Jesus said don't do it again to the women who did adultery. He gave her a chance to change her ways. Also Jesus didn't come back then to judge but to save. When we get resurrected he will judge us unless we kept the 10 commandments and lived the way Jesus showed us if we did we will go directly to heaven without getting judged.

John 5:24​

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24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Paulus said we should follow the laws of a country. That means if we get judged we have to accept it.

 

[Aladin]

Jesus said don't do it again to the women who did adultery. He gave her a chance to change her ways.

That doesn’t mean he wasn’t for the death penalty. He did support it and so does the New Testament.

Paulus said we should follow the laws of a country. That means if we get judged we have to accept it.

Which means that “don’t judge”, isn’t always true. It depends on the context.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

That doesn’t mean he wasn’t for the death penalty. He did support it and so does the New Testament.

Which means that “don’t judge”, isn’t always true. It depends on the context.

Yes, he created the death penalty. God and him are the same but we should do it the way he said us to do or that would mean we can kill people based on our own judgement. If we stone someone because he broke the Sabbat its gods judgement. We just do what he said.

Romans 13:1-7​

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.​

here it says again its god will judge you because god has established those authorities.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

the real question why these people never dare to rip the quran even muslims are way more homophobic and transphobic then christians

because they would get beheaded. simple as that.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Thats is not the reason. The reason is that Christianity is dying religion and nobody take its seriously.

it is dying because they took the "no forcing policy" to an extreme point that nobody gives a fuck about even pope.

People are hedonistic. You have to force them to the right way.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

the words you have written now would never motivate anyone on earth to become a religious person

people are hedonistic. motivation is cucked. you need to force the people to the right way. (aka theocratic goverment)

 

[Aladin]

Yes, he created the death penalty. God and him are the same but we should do it the way he said us to do or that would mean we can kill people based on our own judgement. If we stone someone because he broke the Sabbat its gods judgement. We just do what he said.

We can’t kill them since it would be vigilantism, but we can say that they are worthy of death for their sins, such as homosexual acts.

Romans 13:1-7​

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13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.​

here it says again its god will judge you because god has established those authorities.

No, it’s the judge who will judge. God established the concept of authoritative systems but the people who are in those positions who decide to judge.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

We can’t kill them since it would be vigilantism, but we can say that they are worthy of death for their sins, such as homosexual acts.

No, it’s the judge who will judge. God established the concept of authoritative systems but the people who are in those positions who decide to judge.

Saying ur worthy of death is something the pharisees would say.

7The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.”
8When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9and he went back inside the palace. “Where do you come from?” he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10“Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”
11Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

God gave them the system to be able to judge. Everything comes from God.

 

[Aladin]

Saying ur worthy of death is something the pharisees would say.

7The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.”
8When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9and he went back inside the palace. “Where do you come from?” he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10“Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”
11Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

God gave them the system to be able to judge. Everything comes from God.

Paul wrote Romans 1:32, it says
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Pointing this out is just stating the facts.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

Paul wrote Romans 1:32, it says
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Pointing this out is just stating the facts.

We are all worthy of death tho. How many times have you sinned? For every sin ur worthy of death.

 

[Aladin]

We are all worthy of death tho. How many times have you sinned? For every sin ur worthy of death.

Nope, not all sins.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

Nope, not all sins.

James 2:10​

For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

 

[Deleted member 23778]

people are hedonistic. motivation is cucked. you need to force the people to the right way. (aka theocratic goverment)

Theocratic governments just means people will take their shit underground

 

[Deleted member 23778]

it is dying because they took the "no forcing policy" to an extreme point that nobody gives a fuck about even pope.

People are hedonistic. You have to force them to the right way.

In Christian history the religion has always grown under persecution. The early Church had no one to force to convert, they were running from Jews and pagan Romans

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Theocratic governments just means people will take their shit underground

Theocratic goverment is not enough. You need a Totalitarian goverment. You should indoctrinate people to not commit sins even in the times which goverment wont notice that they commited that sin.

Back in the greek having sex with pre pubescent boys was legal. But now it is illegal. Why? Because goverments declared that act as unlawful and teached people that pedophilia is wrong. (dont get me wrong, i dont say it is not, it is of course fucking wrong, i am just explaining the transition from that days to now)

In Christian history the religion has always grown under persecution. The early Church had no one to force to convert, they were running from Jews and pagan Romans

yeah true. i was mostly talking Islam tbh. Christanity is corrupted by humans according to muslims.

 

[Aladin]

James 2:10​

For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

James 2:10 does not say all sin is equal, you need to look at the context.

James 2:9-11
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

This means that anyone who has sinned is a transgressor of the law even if they haven't broken every sin. It does not say all sin is equivalent.

Anyways, John 5:16

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

This proves not all sin is equal.

 

[Deleted member 28270]

James 2:10 does not say all sin is equal, you need to look at the context.

James 2:9-11
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

This means that anyone who has sinned is a transgressor of the law even if they haven't broken every sin. It does not say all sin is equivalent.

Anyways, John 5:16

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

This proves not all sin is equal.

Yes legit but the 10 commandments lead to death because if you broke them the punishment was a death sentence. He says all sins which are not the law gods. In

James 2:10

He is talking about the law. There are sins which are not inside the law, they are sins but don't lead to death.

 

[Aladin]

Yes legit but the 10 commandments lead to death because if you broke them the punishment was a death sentence. He says all sins which are not the law gods. In

He is talking about the law. There are sins which are not inside the law, they are sins but don't lead to death.

You didn’t address how not all sin leads to death since not all sin is equal.

 

[Joe Rogancel]

Because Christians don't believe in forcing their religion on anyone. Meanwhile Muslims and other ethnics literally chimp out and think this makes their religion more believable.

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