Christians dont understand the scriptures at all

[Black Pill Prophet]

Imagine being brainwashed by the church. Imagine believing everyone can be saved. Imagine believing the Lord is an all loving cuck who's coming back to hug and kiss and play hopscotch. Imagine being a Christian.

Yeah the elites can just repent after centuries of lies, theft, rape, murder, slavery, witchcraft, child molestation and other unspeakable abominable acts and everything is a-ok, the devil won't face judgement whatsoever. Just lol

 

[wasted]

christianity is a meme

 

[BigBiceps]

YOU don't get to talk about false scriptures, as you believe in some nation of Islam/black hebrew israelite bullshit. Is there anything more ridiculous?

 

[redhandsbluehands]

 

[Black Pill Prophet]

YOU don't get to talk about false scriptures, as you believe in some nation of Islam/black hebrew israelite bullshit. Is there anything more ridiculous?

You can't prove me wrong

 

[Deleted member 6191]

YOU don't get to talk about false scriptures, as you believe in some nation of Islam/black hebrew israelite bullshit. Is there anything more ridiculous?

Nation of Islam is a joke

 

[Alexanderr]

christianity is a meme

The fact you could have been a great human being all your life, a Christian, adhering to the Lord’s word for decades of your life and go to hell because of one brief sinful thought you had at the end of your life is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

The fact you could have been a great human being all your life, a Christian, adhering to the Lord’s word for decades of your life and go to hell because of one brief sinful thought you had at the end of your life is absolutely ridiculous.

Thoughts are sins in Christianity?

 

[Mr.cope]

The fact you could have been a great human being all your life, a Christian, adhering to the Lord’s word for decades of your life and go to hell because of one brief sinful thought you had at the end of your life is absolutely ridiculous.

Thats not how it works

 

[Alexanderr]

Thoughts are sins in Christianity?

Sinful ones are.

Mark 7:20-23 ESV
And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Matthew 15:19-20 ESV
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

And lots more.

 

[Alexanderr]

Thats not how it works

Yes, it is. Say you lust after a woman that isn’t yours, you’ve just committed adultry according to the Bible because of that lustful thought.

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[BigBiceps]

You can't prove me wrong

You believe in what you want, but the that thief who was crucified alongside Jesus for his earthly crimes now walks free in the kingdom of God, because he asked forgiveness. There's no saving you however, you believe in some stupid tales of Nation of Islam/Black Hebrew Israelites. A gradeschooler count invent more beliavable tales. That whole Nation of Islam is a massive scam to trick black people into servitude to other black people.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

Yes, it is. Say you lust after a woman that isn’t yours, you’ve just committed adulatory according to the Bible because of that lustful thought.

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Looking at her sexually no? i suppose it makes sense it the religion, i.e. lowering the gaze. The other verses ytou quotes seem to be regarding acting upon those things v. actually hthinking about it. And yeah, its saying it will effect u negatively if your'e constantly thinking about so.

 

[Alexanderr]

Looking at her sexually no? i suppose it makes sense it the religion, i.e. lowering the gaze. The other verses ytou quotes seem to be regarding acting upon those things v. actually hthinking about it. And yeah, its saying it will effect u negatively if your'e constantly thinking about so.

Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect. - Matthew 5:48.
You can’t have thoughts that go against God‘s righteousness.

Lusting after someone that isn’t yours being one of them, meaning, if you have a strong sexual desire for a woman that isn’t yours, you’ve just sinned.

One sin making you a candidate for hell because perfect means you must have the same righteousness with God - never sinned once.

What’s to stop one thought from affecting you negatively when multiple can?

 

[Deleted member 6191]

Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect. - Matthew 5:48.
You can’t have thoughts that go against God‘s righteousness.

Lusting after someone that isn’t yours being one of them, meaning, if you have a strong sexual desire for a woman that isn’t yours, you’ve just sinned.

One sin making you a candidate for hell because perfect means you must have the same righteousness with God - never sinned once.

What’s to stop one thought from affecting you negatively when multiple can?

You are exaggerating, the lusting is when staring at somneone contininually and having sexual thoughts [from what i read i AM not christian].

 

[Alexanderr]

You are exaggerating, the lusting is when staring at somneone contininually and having sexual thoughts [from what i read i AM not christian].

I’ve grown up reading the passages time and time again for years having grown up in a Christian household. I’m not exaggerating whatsoever.

The Bible condemns evil thoughts lots of times (Genesis 6:5), not just actions, inherently making thoughts capable of being a sin.

Additionally, I ask you yet again, what’s to stop a single thought from being a sin when multiple, according to you, are?

If looking at a woman in lust continually is a sin, how come it‘s suddenly not a sin when you do it once?

 

[Deleted member 5927]

Christianity is the best religion that ever came to this earth.

I've read the Bible over 20 times and the Quran once.

I am an agnostic but I can objectively say Christianity really does brutally mog other religions in terms of it's believability, and how close it is to reality.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

Christianity is the best religion that ever came to this earth.

I've read the Bible over 20 times and the Quran once.

I am an agnostic but I can objectively say Christianity really does brutally mog other religions in terms of it's believability, and how close it is to reality.

How does it beat Islam?

 

[Deleted member 5927]

How does it beat Islam?

I've read the Hadith and the Quran is clearly a made up religion by a man who grew up in 600 AD in the middle east. Islam is only good in today's society because it's members still practice it's beliefs. Christianity at it's core is far greater than Islam, in like a million different ways, only it's members have since made it more effeminate and cucked to which it now sucks in modern society. But at it's core the values and principles are literally just better, more ethical, and they have a higher likelihood of aligning with reality than Islam, which I quite honestly believe has no chance at being the truth.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

I've read the Hadith and the Quran is clearly a made up religion by a man who grew up in 600 AD in the middle east. Islam is only good in today's society because it's members still practice it's beliefs. Christianity at it's core is far greater than Islam, in like a million different ways, only it's members have since made it more effeminate and cucked to which it now sucks in modern society. But at it's core the values and principles are literally just better, more ethical, and they have a higher likelihood of aligning with reality than Islam, which I quite honestly believe has no chance at being the truth.

JFL in what world does Christianity's scriptures seem more plausible than ISlam?

 

[Deleted member 5927]

JFL in what world does Christianity's scriptures seem more plausible than ISlam?

Islam is a terribly written book. It was never meant to be written down, it was orally taught. So the suras are written from longest to shortest, not a very good way to read a book for content. The Bible was also orally taught, but it's members arranged it in a way that the random books all align into a coherent story when combined.

Speaking of the content itself, the Quran was literally absolutely the most boring book I've ever read. And reading the Quran isn't enough, you also need hundreds of books of Hadith just to actually follow Islam, but you can't follow it yourself without the interpretation of an imam. In Christianity it was never meant to be that way, and anyone is open to interpret shit however you like no matter your education level.

Also, the Quran has almost no educational content, it's just a whole lot of praising Allah, condemning sinners, and telling you to follow Muhammad. The Bible actually reads like a story, which I think is a lot more useful and educational. And if we are actually believing that one of these books is sent from God, I would say God would have chosen the more intelligently designed book, given that he is God, and I just don't see that in the Quran.

Like I said I am an agnostic, but if I were to follow a religion, it would be Christianity. I have major issues with Christianity as well by the way, but I really like it as a religion.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

Islam is a terribly written book. It was never meant to be written down, it was orally taught. So the suras are written from longest to shortest, not a very good way to read a book for content. The Bible was also orally taught, but it's members arranged it in a way that the random books all align into a coherent story when combined.

Speaking of the content itself, the Quran was literally absolutely the most boring book I've ever read. And reading the Quran isn't enough, you also need hundreds of books of Hadith just to actually follow Islam, but you can't follow it yourself without the interpretation of an imam. In Christianity it was never meant to be that way, and anyone is open to interpret shit however you like no matter your education level.

Also, the Quran has almost no educational content, it's just a whole lot of praising Allah, condemning sinners, and telling you to follow Muhammad. The Bible actually reads like a story, which I think is a lot more useful and educational. And if we are actually believing that one of these books is sent from God, I would say God would have chosen the more intelligently designed book, given that he is God, and I just don't see that in the Quran.

Like I said I am an agnostic, but if I were to follow a religion, it would be Christianity. I have major issues with Christianity as well by the way, but I really like it as a religion.

If you didn't read it in Arabic, it isn't the proper writing. Autism saying it wasn't meant to be written, it was. it was released in portions at different times. The Bible is indirect with it's principles, and Islam isn't meant to entertain like a story. Ergo something like what Allah says you should do, and this is what happens if you believe, as well with this is what happens if you don't believe. IN contrast to the bible that says stories or analogies to prepare a point or a lesson. The English translation is indeed fairly tedious in contrast to the Arabic writing.
And yes? No really? that's why there's tafsir, wdym hundreds of books?

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anyone is open to interpret shit however you like no matter your education level."
NO REALLY, ISLAM isn't meant to have an open meaning it's clear.

You can have your opinion but lol at what you said, it's not suypposed to be a story.

 

[Deleted member 5927]

If you didn't read it in Arabic, it isn't the proper writing. Autism saying it wasn't meant to be written, it was. it was released in portions at different times. The Bible is indirect with it's principles, and Islam isn't meant to entertain like a story. Ergo something like what Allah says you should do, and this is what happens if you believe, as well with this is what happens if you don't believe. IN contrast to the bible that says stories or analogies to prepare a point or a lesson. The English translation is indeed fairly tedious in contrast to the Arabic writing.
And yes? No really? that's why there's tafsir, wdym hundreds of books?

"
anyone is open to interpret shit however you like no matter your education level."
NO REALLY, ISLAM isn't meant to have an open meaning it's clear.

You can have your opinion but lol at what you said, it's not suypposed to be a story.

I honestly don't really care about convincing you if Islam is true or if the Bible is better or not. I believe when we die we both rot in the grave forever, so convincing you just wastes my time.

I'm just telling you that in my opinion, the Bible is a much better book.

 

[Deleted member 6191]

I honestly don't really care about convincing you if Islam is true or if the Bible is better or not. I believe when we die we both rot in the grave forever, so convincing you just wastes my time.

I'm just telling you that in my opinion, the Bible is a much better book.

No harsh feelings, i'm just responding to what you said isn't that what you were doing?

 

[Deleted member 8765]

Oh my god enough of the religious debates you fucking crusty autistic basement dwellers I cannot fucking stand the sight of these threads any longer.

 

[Black Pill Prophet]

You believe in what you want, but the that thief who was crucified alongside Jesus for his earthly crimes now walks free in the kingdom of God, because he asked forgiveness. There's no saving you however, you believe in some stupid tales of Nation of Islam/Black Hebrew Israelites. A gradeschooler count invent more beliavable tales. That whole Nation of Islam is a massive scam to trick black people into servitude to other black people.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things.

You don't even know what the kingdom of God is. I don't know where you keep getting this nation of Islam shit from either, nothing I say has remotely anything to do with that. The more you post the more clear it is you Christians have no understanding of anything and are just in denial about the truth, because it hurts your feelings and pride.

I never see you posting lessons. I never see you going into prophecy and applying it to current events. I never see you breaking down scriptures that you seem to know so much more about than me. Until I see that, your words don't mean a thing.

The fact you could have been a great human being all your life, a Christian, adhering to the Lord’s word for decades of your life and go to hell because of one brief sinful thought you had at the end of your life is absolutely ridiculous.

Thats another false doctrine, including hell. Sinful thoughts are inevitable, acting on them is the sin.

Ecclesiastes 2:1
My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation.

As long as you're in the flesh, you'll be tempted.

 

[Alexanderr]

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things.

You don't even know what the kingdom of God is. I don't know where you keep getting this nation of Islam shit from either, nothing I say has remotely anything to do with that. The more you post the more clear it is you Christians have no understanding of anything and are just in denial about the truth, because it hurts your feelings and pride.

I never see you posting lessons. I never see you going into prophecy and applying it to current events. I never see you breaking down scriptures that you seem to know so much more about than me. Until I see that, your words don't mean a thing.

Thats another false doctrine, including hell. Sinful thoughts are inevitable, acting on them is the sin.

Ecclesiastes 2:1
My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation.

As long as you're in the flesh, you'll be tempted.

So, I suppose looking at a woman with lust counts as acting on it?

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[Black Pill Prophet]

So, I suppose looking at a woman with lust counts as acting on it?

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

What I said still stands

 

[Alexanderr]

What I said still stands

Even though God quite literally calls the thoughts of the wicked an abomination in Proverbs 15:26?

 

[Black Pill Prophet]

Even though God quite literally calls the thoughts of the wicked an abomination in Proverbs 15:26?

Yes and he's specifically talking about wicked people. As in people that actually commit evil.

 

[Alexanderr]

Yes and he's specifically talking about wicked people. As in people that actually commit evil.

Actually, I think it’s about God hating a heart that devises wicked imaginations.

 

[Black Pill Prophet]

Actually, I think it’s about God hating a heart that devises wicked imaginations.

It's not about what you think. If that were true, no one would be saved.

 

[Alexanderr]

It's not about what you think. If that were true, no one would be saved.

How so?

There is hope even for those whose hearts are evil and rebellious.
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect” (Romans 12:2).

Additionally, when we turn to Christ in repentance and faith, he takes away our hard hearts of stone and gives us supple hearts of flesh (Ezekiel 36:26). He gives us a new heart with new desires.

 

[alligatordude]

Gnosticism or sentence to reincarnation

 

[Deleted member 4612]

The fact you could have been a great human being all your life, a Christian, adhering to the Lord’s word for decades of your life and go to hell because of one brief sinful thought you had at the end of your life is absolutely ridiculous.

In christianity there are mortal sins and venial sins I believe. I'm pretty sure thought sins do not count as mortal sins but are venial sins. (I think) you go to hell for mortal, not venial, sins

@john2 @werty1457 @Lasko123

can thoughts be mortal sins?

 

[Deleted member 12128]

Imagine being brainwashed by the church. Imagine believing everyone can be saved. Imagine believing the Lord is an all loving cuck who's coming back to hug and kiss and play hopscotch. Imagine being a Christian.

Yeah the elites can just repent after centuries of lies, theft, rape, murder, slavery, witchcraft, child molestation and other unspeakable abominable acts and everything is a-ok, the devil won't face judgement whatsoever. Just lol

islam is based about shit like that

 

[Amnesia]

Imagine being brainwashed by the church. Imagine believing everyone can be saved. Imagine believing the Lord is an all loving cuck who's coming back to hug and kiss and play hopscotch. Imagine being a Christian.

Yeah the elites can just repent after centuries of lies, theft, rape, murder, slavery, witchcraft, child molestation and other unspeakable abominable acts and everything is a-ok, the devil won't face judgement whatsoever. Just lol

yet they dont and most people dont accept this free gift

 

[john2]

In christianity there are mortal sins and venial sins I believe. I'm pretty sure thought sins do not count as mortal sins but are venial sins. (I think) you go to hell for mortal, not venial, sins

@john2 @werty1457 @Lasko123

can thoughts be mortal sins?

That's just the catholic distinctions between the gravity of sins to comfort some people and indirectly tell them that "Hey, dw... as long as you aren't committing these sins, you're safe". The Lord likes not single sin regardless of how small you may perceive it. You go to hell for all your sins if he rejects you. Any sin can condemn you, even the ones which haven't been explicitly mentioned in the Bible.

Humans are lucky they're being mercied upon and forgiven uncountable times, unlike the fallen angels who sinned once and ended up in hell with no chance of redemption or forgiveness. Receiving sinful thoughts isn't a sin. But not rebuking those thoughts and entertaining them is a sin. Obviously Jesus was tempted to fornicate when he lived. However he didn't entertain such a thought and didn't act upon it... even if it meant, by picturing an erotic sexual fantasy in his head. One should pray for deliverance to be free from such thoughts if it bothers them.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

In christianity there are mortal sins and venial sins I believe. I'm pretty sure thought sins do not count as mortal sins but are venial sins. (I think) you go to hell for mortal, not venial, sins

@john2 @werty1457 @Lasko123

can thoughts be mortal sins?

In Islam anything that crosses your mind is not a sin if you don't speak of it or act upon it, according to a narration attributed to our Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam)

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I have this problen specifically with christianity

How can they ask people to take seriously their religion when even them, they reject it

Let's look at catholicism, how can they worship idols and statues when their book specifically makes it impermissible? Are they really trying to say to us that God changes the most important rulings 180 degrees?

I had a mini debate once with a christian and when touched the subject of the Holy Books he said to me "I don't believe the bible to the T" or something like that

I say it a lot of times, we muslims "practice" christianity more than christians nowadays, with all due of respect, since there are good and decent christians too, and people who are sincere in speech

Corinthians 11:5-6
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

 

[Deleted member 3997]

Yes, it is. Say you lust after a woman that isn’t yours, you’ve just committed adultry according to the Bible because of that lustful thought.

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You're not going to go to hell though, that's not how it works.

 

[Ricochet]

I always thought of Christianity in the same way I think of Aesop's fables or any story that has moral lessons. I don't think any of that shit actually happened but it got life lessons that should help most people. People take it too literally. It basically just one of the 1st bestseller fiction books.