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...But if he does why does he send those who don't worship him to hell? It seems his love is actually conditional on if you worship him on earth, if not, he sentences you to burn forever. How is that 'unconditional' love? Unconditional love is when someone loves you no matter what so that must mean God has to send everyone to heaven.
 
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muh if you suffer in this life god will send you to heaven
 
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Why wait till u die to reach heaven when I can force heaven upon Earth
 
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I don’t think God himself sends bad people to Hell. I think death follows the natural path and you’ll be forced by nature or physics or whatever there is to one of those dimensions
 
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I don’t think God himself sends bad people to Hell. I think death follows the natural path and you’ll be forced by nature or physics or whatever there is to one of those dimensions
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...But if he does why does he send those who don't worship him to hell? It seems his love is actually conditional on if you worship him on earth, if not, he sentences you to burn forever. How is that 'unconditional' love? Unconditional love is when someone loves you no matter what so that must mean God has to send everyone to heaven.
U know what, I’ll just give you some links to read. Just read them ok



The point is, if you don’t love god, then he won’t force you to be in his presence (heaven) and will send you to where he has no influence (hell). If you love somebody, but they don’t love you back, and you force them into a relationship with you, is that love? No. It’s force and a violation of their will.

As for the burning forever part, hell being described as a “lake of fire” where ppl burn was added in after, it wasn’t in the OT either. In general, there’s still a debate about what hell is. The only concrete definition of it that is universal among all Ppl is that it’s a place away from god, or a place away from light, etc. Some say it’s just non existence, some say it’s eternal torture, some say it’s non eternal, etc. There’s nothing concrete yet so I don’t think it’s fair to make conclusions on that.

I’m not trying to preach here, I’m just giving info and saying my piece
 
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U know what, I’ll just give you some links to read. Just read them ok



The point is, if you don’t love god, then he won’t force you to be in his presence (heaven) and will send you to where he has no influence (hell). If you love somebody, but they don’t love you back, and you force them into a relationship with you, is that love? No. It’s force and a violation of their will.

As for the burning forever part, hell being described as a “lake of fire” where ppl burn was added in after, it wasn’t in the OT either. In general, there’s still a debate about what hell is. The only concrete definition of it that is universal among all Ppl is that it’s a place away from god, or a place away from light, etc. Some say it’s just non existence, some say it’s eternal torture, some say it’s non eternal, etc. There’s nothing concrete yet so I don’t think it’s fair to make conclusions on that.

I’m not trying to preach here, I’m just giving info and saying my piece

I'm sure most people will love God if he revealed himself to people but he doesn't he leaves it to faith, and faith is fickle. Faith won't work on a pragmatic person and God should know that "faith" won't work with everyone, he's willingly letting people get sent to hell. Christians also say when you die you will be judged so that presumes some sort of confrontation after you die will it not? I'm sure lots of people would then like to be with God then, but hristains say God will reject you and send you to hell if you didn't worship him on earth.
 
I'm sure most people will love God if he revealed himself to people but he doesn't he leaves it to faith, and faith is fickle. Faith won't work on a pragmatic person and God should know that "faith" won't work with everyone, he's willingly letting people get sent to hell. Christians also say when you die you will be judged so that presumes some sort of confrontation after you die will it not? I'm sure lots of people would then like to be with God then, but hristains say God will reject you and send you to hell if you didn't worship him on earth.
I mean you can be pragmatic and have faith, they don’t necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. There’s evidence and you have to weigh it personally.

As for god willingly letting people get sent to hell and him rejecting you if you didn’t worship him on earth, I sent you a link that shows people will get judged on the basis of what they know. If you were the average layman in a different country that was raised on another religion, you won’t be condemned.

The other link shows that there’s good reason to believe that condemnation won’t be permanent either. The point I’m making here is that you’re making conclusive statements based on incomplete evidence.
 
I mean you can be pragmatic and have faith, they don’t necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. There’s evidence and you have to weigh it personally.

As for god willingly letting people get sent to hell and him rejecting you if you didn’t worship him on earth, I sent you a link that shows people will get judged on the basis of what they know. If you were the average layman in a different country that was raised on another religion, you won’t be condemned.

The other link shows that there’s good reason to believe that condemnation won’t be permanent either. The point I’m making here is that you’re making conclusive statements based on incomplete evidence.

Your statements on what hell or what heaven is or what even happens is based on beliefs that contradict many of what other Christians have to say about heaven and hell. So there are so many interpretations of the bible how can I know what you're saying is the definite one? A lot of Christians will disagree with you.

There is evidence of God? Actually show me and tell me what evidence, I'm interested in. As of now, all I know it's purely based on faith. Noah's ark is logically impossible, and I remember reading in the bible that God hated scavenger Birds so he doesn't actually love all his creations.

Edit: And True pragmatism is only making conclusions on what you can observe if you can somehow see and talk to God then let me know.
 
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God is benevolent but he is fair, and he is just. He loves unconditionally in the sense that we can always come to him and he’ll always accept us. No matter our past actions there is always love and forgiveness

Nevertheless, if you reject God, then you will pay the price.
 
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God is benevolent but he is fair, and he is just. He loves unconditionally in the sense that we can always come to him and he’ll always accept us. No matter our past actions there is always love and forgiveness

Nevertheless, if you reject God, then you will pay the price.
That's not unconditional love then. Unconditional love is when you love someone despite any circumstance, he only loves you if you worship him and if you accept him.
 
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...But if he does why does he send those who don't worship him to hell? It seems his love is actually conditional on if you worship him on earth, if not, he sentences you to burn forever. How is that 'unconditional' love? Unconditional love is when someone loves you no matter what so that must mean God has to send everyone to heaven.
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shes a teenage dream if you hate yourself
Bright dyed hair and obnoxious clothes
Thinks communism is the way to go
She's a whore, a hole, a dime-a-dozen Jezebel
Fluoride mind and SSRIs
A thousand-yard stare for all those guys
That she fucked and sucked before you came along
Retarded views on politics
Likes to listen to shitty music
She drinks and smokes and tokes out of a dirty bong


thats your name origin right?
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Your statements on what hell or what heaven is or what even happens is based on beliefs that contradict many of what other Christians have to say about heaven and hell. So there are so many interpretations of the bible how can I know what you're saying is the definite one? A lot of Christians will disagree with you.

There is evidence of God? Actually show me and tell me what evidence, I'm interested in. As of now, all I know it's purely based on faith. Noah's ark is logically impossible, and I remember reading in the bible that God hated scavenger Birds so he doesn't actually love all his creations.

Edit: And True pragmatism is only making conclusions on what you can observe if you can somehow see and talk to God then let me know.
I’m not putting forward my view as the true explanation. My point is that this isn’t as simple as you’re painting it to be. It’s not concrete and widely agreed upon, even in scripture. So there’s no reason to make sweeping statements which can’t be confirmed.

See the kalam cosmological argument and argument from fine tuning as evidence for god. It doesn’t require a leap of faith, which is why non-religious philosophies such as deism exist.

You don’t have to take Noah’s ark as wholly literal, nor do you have to take everything in the bible as completely literalistic. These problems Around events in the bible happen when you take on a literalistic view. The bible is a book meant for spiritual guidance, it uses a lot of metaphors to detail a wider point.

for example, when the bible says the “hand of god”, they don’t literally mean gods hand. Or when they detail god with emotion, it’s not meant to be taken literally but rather meant to be taken as metaphors to better understand the situation (see impassability, which is one of the core doctrines of Christian faith).

Requiring belief in a god to be based on seeing him or talking to him, isn’t pragmatic. It’s unreasonable. Having unreasonable standards for evidence is the opposite of pragmatic.
 
That's not unconditional love then. Unconditional love is when you love someone despite any circumstance, he only loves you if you worship him and if you accept him.

Love ≠ allowing everyone into his presence/kingdom of heaven.

God can love you, but recognise that you chose to reject him, and so will allow you to face those consequences. God is not all love no justice
 
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Love ≠ allowing everyone into his presence/kingdom of heaven.

God can love you, but recognise that you chose to reject him, and so will allow you to face those consequences. God is not all love no justice

So you're saying god still loves those he punishes in hell? A strange relationship and one I find to be bullshit.
 
So you're saying god still loves those he punishes in hell? A strange relationship and one I find to be bullshit.

Yes. Technically they don’t have a relationship since the person rejected God, or at least it’s very one sided, but yes, God still loves those who reject him and who he condemns.

It may seem bullshit to you, you don’t have to believe in it or understand it.
 
I’m not putting forward my view as the true explanation. My point is that this isn’t as simple as you’re painting it to be. It’s not concrete and widely agreed upon, even in scripture. So there’s no reason to make sweeping statements which can’t be confirmed.

See the kalam cosmological argument and argument from fine tuning as evidence for god. It doesn’t require a leap of faith, which is why non-religious philosophies such as deism exist.

You don’t have to take Noah’s ark as wholly literal, nor do you have to take everything in the bible as completely literalistic. These problems Around events in the bible happen when you take on a literalistic view. The bible is a book meant for spiritual guidance, it uses a lot of metaphors to detail a wider point.

for example, when the bible says the “hand of god”, they don’t literally mean gods hand. Or when they detail god with emotion, it’s not meant to be taken literally but rather meant to be taken as metaphors to better understand the situation (see impassability, which is one of the core doctrines of Christian faith).

Requiring belief in a god to be based on seeing him or talking to him, isn’t pragmatic. It’s unreasonable. Having unreasonable standards for evidence is the opposite of pragmatic.

There's no way to debate you because debates have to rely on already established facts, what you're saying is not the popular Christian dogma, a lot of Christians especially old ones take the bible very literally even the most famous Christian debaters try to justify Noah's Ark. A lot of what you say contradicts what other Christians believe. Think about it like this if there was another person debating with you but he has different interpretations of the scripture then what will happen? It will be a 3-way debate because then he wouldn't agree with what you have to say.
 
...But if he does why does he send those who don't worship him to hell? It seems his love is actually conditional on if you worship him on earth, if not, he sentences you to burn forever. How is that 'unconditional' love? Unconditional love is when someone loves you no matter what so that must mean God has to send everyone to heaven.
Religion is the oldest form of mind control, the two main reasons religion exists is because the masses are afraid of dying and because it allows the few people at the top to control and manipulate the population as they see fit.
 
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Religion is the oldest form of mind control, the two main reasons religion exists is because the masses are afraid of dying and because it allows the few people at the top to control and manipulate the population as they see fit.
I noticed when reading the bible it alludes to the old nations of the middle east and how it alluded to slavery. I think the bible was partially made to justify what the Israelites were doing to other nations, especially the story of Noah's ark.
 
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There's no way to debate you because debates have to rely on already established facts, what you're saying is not the popular Christian dogma, a lot of Christians especially old ones take the bible very literally even the most famous Christian debaters try to justify Noah's Ark. A lot of what you say contradicts what other Christians believe. Think about it like this if there was another person debating with you but he has different interpretations of the scripture then what will happen? It will be a 3-way debate because then he wouldn't agree with what you have to say.
Why does popular Christian dogma have to be objective truth? That doesn’t mean anything. It’s just a form of the appeal to popularity fallacy.

A lot of Christians take it literally, a lot don’t. From the evidence we can see that most Christians do not take the bible and scripture completely literally, at least in the context of America


50.1% of the Christians on this planet adhere to some form of Catholicism, which has not everything being literal as parts of its doctrine, so I don’t know how you’re going to get past that.

I made this point two times now. I’m not putting forward my Explanation as even the most valid, I’m just saying that there is a debate around this, things aren’t concrete objective fact in terms of this subject. Which means you can’t make sweeping conclusions
 
Religion is the oldest form of mind control, the two main reasons religion exists is because the masses are afraid of dying and because it allows the few people at the top to control and manipulate the population as they see fit.
Extends far beyond that. People want explanations of the unknown and religion has been one of the best forms of rallying people into forming a strong community.
 
So you're saying god still loves those he punishes in hell? A strange relationship and one I find to be bullshit.
He loves you enough to let you choose either him (who is the source of all goodness) or sin. If you choose to sin and love sinning (which is something that God hates)... then he is loving enough to let you go to the place that was prepared for sinners (aka, hell... which was prepared for the devil and his angels because they chose sin over righteousness).

Hell = the absence of God's presence. And the bible clearly states how the devil is a wicked liar and rather than fulfilling your dreams... he'll torture you or his sadistic desires, because he is the embodiment of sin and wickedness.

If he wasn't loving enough and didn't allow free will... then he'd drag you to heaven, regardless of you sinning against him... which is also unfair (but God isn't unfair at all).
...But if he does why does he send those who don't worship him to hell?
He doesn't send anyone to hell... your actions lead you to hell as a result of your belief.

Faith ≠ blindly believing a god exists, so that you'll simply go to heaven for believing in him, out of luck. Faith means trusting in God's finished work on the cross for your sins, so that you may have eternal life.
If you love him, then you will serve him... thus obeying his commands and doing his will (aka living righteously, repenting from your sins and sharing the gospel).
 
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