Christians vs Muslims

[134applesauce456]

Once again why? Why not an evil god?

In your worldview much like an atheist you can’t have values, things just are you have no right or way to say “why” it’s better for god to be evil or loving both jsut “are bro”

The fact you want a loving god proves your soul longs for Christ but you deprive him of Christ you torture your soul your spirit from the one who made and loves you to spite yourself with frivolous questions and beliefs.

There’s reason for every paradigm the thing I’m asking for is a coherent account for the explanation for the existence of metaphysical realities as a whole. Atheists fail and fall short they can’t even explain bare basic shit which excludes their beliefs as being illogical and incomplete, your issue is one of continuity, you fall into hypocrisy as I displayed with my first paragraph and a contradictory worldview cannot be true esp one that once again can’t provide a logical framework.

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[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

If your thoughts are just chemicals firing without control then so is your argument, and there’s no reason anyone should trust it including you. So either you admit consciousness can transcend raw stimuli, or you accept that even your rant and belief is just a random neuron spasm with no truth value. Pick one.

Well no because now you’re holding me to YOUR STUPID paradigm. In my worldview things life etc have a purpose and I’m made in the image of God and Theodore I can think and act in accordance to my own free will because I can trust my faculties coherently and provide an account for them without falling into absurdities like you. What is Consciousness btw, cos scientists openly state they can’t state what it actually is other then that it’s a state but that’s the most they admit to knowing, so even using that word displays how incoherent and pathetic your worldview is


Your materialistic paradigm forces you to deny all off this and therefore everything you see touch feel etc could be mental phantasms as said by Descartes another atheist philosopher, and you can’t even decide things won’t splerg into chaos as you can’t have rational ordered universe in your belief system if things jsut are then they are always in flux at all moments nothing is guewnteed to remain the same which is why Hume says we have no way of saying the Sun won’t randomly not rise in the morning even using scientific method presupposes knowledge something you can’t have in a chaotic worldview which is in flux


Point is you are a meat puppet, with chemicals which dictate everything you do but they are there to perhaps help you survive but survival doesn’t in anyway require the “truth” so you can’t account for knowing anything or trusting your own faculties.

 

[VV62]

Well no because now you’re holding me to YOUR STUPID paradigm. In my worldview things life etc have a purpose and I’m made in the image of God and Theodore I can think and act in accordance to my own free will because I can trust my faculties coherently and provide an account for them without falling into absurdities like you. What is Consciousness btw, cos scientists openly state they can’t state what it actually is other then that it’s a state but that’s the most they admit to knowing, so even using that word displays how incoherent and pathetic your worldview is


Your materialistic paradigm forces you to deny all off this and therefore everything you see touch feel etc could be mental phantasms as said by Descartes another atheist philosopher, and you can’t even decide things won’t splerg into chaos as you can’t have rational ordered universe in your belief system if things jsut are then they are always in flux at all moments nothing is guewnteed to remain the same which is why Hume says we have no way of saying the Sun won’t randomly not rise in the morning even using scientific method presupposes knowledge something you can’t have in a chaotic worldview which is in flux


Point is you are a meat puppet, with chemicals which dictate everything you do but they are there to perhaps help you survive but survival doesn’t in anyway require the “truth” so you can’t account for knowing anything or trusting your own faculties.

First of all you are assuming im an atheist but even if i was if you're allowed to argue from your paradigm, then so is everyone else meaning you can't just dismiss others by holding them to your own worldview as if it's automatically superior.
You claim your faculties are trustworthy because you're "made in God’s image" that’s not an explanation, that’s a belief. It might comfort you, but it’s not proof. Meanwhile, you attack materialism for not guaranteeing truth, while forgetting your own worldview requires blind faith in a deity you can’t empirically prove so you're just outsourcing your uncertainty to God and calling it certainty.
And if survival doesn’t require truth, how do you know your belief in God isn’t just a comforting survival strategy too?

 

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8 pages long of ramblings holy
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imagine all these paragraphs and defense efforts just for there to be no God in the end jfl

Israel vs palestine

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

First of all you are assuming im an atheist but even if i was if you're allowed to argue from your paradigm, then so is everyone else meaning you can't just dismiss others by holding them to your own worldview as if it's automatically superior.
You claim your faculties are trustworthy because you're "made in God’s image" that’s not an explanation, that’s a belief. It might comfort you, but it’s not proof. Meanwhile, you attack materialism for not guaranteeing truth, while forgetting your own worldview requires blind faith in a deity you can’t empirically prove so you're just outsourcing your uncertainty to God and calling it certainty.
And if survival doesn’t require truth, how do you know your belief in God isn’t just a comforting survival strategy too?

No because to have my paradigm requires my entire worldview you dumbass idiot. Its a package deal if you can argue from my paradigm then you’d be an orthodox Christian as that’s the only way to use any of the explanations and justifications coherently without falling into absurdities.


Your belief system is one as I demonstrated that can’t account for FUCK ALL so now your scrambling to pick up the pieces and now trying to piggy back off my paradigm but your dumbass is so philosophically immature you have no understanding of why this is impossible without converting to orthodox Christianity. As an GAYtheist your boxed in and limited by what’s POSSIBLE AIN YOUR physicist/Materialistic worldview you are literally BOUND BY IT, to go outside of it by default forfeits the debate because your going outside of your belief system and worldview possibilities to explain things PROVING MY POINT from the start so thanks for admitting I’m right and you’re wrong

 

[134applesauce456]

Once again why? Why not an evil god?

In your worldview much like an atheist you can’t have values, things just are you have no right or way to say “why” it’s better for god to be evil or loving both jsut “are bro”

The fact you want a loving god proves your soul longs for Christ but you deprive him of Christ you torture your soul your spirit from the one who made and loves you to spite yourself with frivolous questions and beliefs.

There’s reason for every paradigm the thing I’m asking for is a coherent account for the explanation for the existence of metaphysical realities as a whole. Atheists fail and fall short they can’t even explain bare basic shit which excludes their beliefs as being illogical and incomplete, your issue is one of continuity, you fall into hypocrisy as I displayed with my first paragraph and a contradictory worldview cannot be true esp one that once again can’t provide a logical framework.

atheist can have values

atheists can get values from empathy, they care about others because they feel what others feel

I wish for a loving God but I still can't say that it is true, ESPECIALLY when you look at this world and see all the cruel and unnecessary suffering

 

[VV62]

No because to have my paradigm requires my entire worldview you dumbass idiot. Its a package deal if you can argue from my paradigm then you’d be an orthodox Christian as that’s the only way to use any of the explanations and justifications coherently without falling into absurdities.


Your belief system is one as I demonstrated that can’t account for FUCK ALL so now your scrambling to pick up the pieces and now trying to piggy back off my paradigm but your dumbass is so philosophically immature you have no understanding of why this is impossible without converting to orthodox Christianity. As an GAYtheist your boxed in and limited by what’s POSSIBLE AIN YOUR physicist/Materialistic worldview you are literally BOUND BY IT, to go outside of it by default forfeits the debate because your going outside of your belief system and worldview possibilities to explain things PROVING MY POINT from the start so thanks for admitting I’m right and you’re wrong

You keep acting like Christianity is the only way anyone can make sense of life, but that’s just what you believe it’s not some universal truth. Saying “God explains everything” isn’t an actual explanation, it’s just repeating your belief. You haven’t proven that logic or ethics require your specific God you’ve just decided they do.
There are plenty of spiritual ways to understand reality that don’t rely on Christianity. Just because someone doesn’t accept your framework doesn’t mean they “borrow” from itit means they see the world differently. You’re not the only one with a worldview that tries to make sense of things

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

atheist can have values

atheists can get values from empathy, they care about others because they feel what others feel

I wish for a loving God but I still can't say that it is true, ESPECIALLY when you look at this world and see all the cruel and unnecessary suffering

Values….

Really


Values moggs are you joking rn ? How can atheists have objective values in a relativistic world? Their values are ad hoc and therefore not true, they are completely meaningless.

For example an atheist saying “Hitler was bad” is nothing more than his subjective opinion because “bad” and “good” don’t exist they are opinion which as we know change from person to person and thus another atheist saying Hitler was a good guy is equally as Valid.

The suffering of this world is a result of the fall of Adam and Eve which brought in corruption into the created order, Jesus came to save us from this corruption and began the process of recapitulation and restoration which was ruined by the fall of Adam and Eve. That’s the entire Christian message Jesus is a action hero who saves us from the fallen world and begins the process of healing BUT, God in his infinite knowledge has to make sure that humans have free will even though we are corrupted due to the fruit being eaten.

The world will be terraformed in the 2nd coming and all will be resurrected and the universe will be perfected with no more suffering and death. In Christianity it makes sense but in your belief system “It just is?” Why is suffering bad? Maybe we are all here to suffer just as all things decay and return to dust we come from dust so we go back to it. Suffering is a natural state etc etc.


YGM your system doesn’t provide an explanation as to why suffering is “bad” it just exists and is and that’s the purpose of all things.

Mine explains why it’s real why it’s bad and the overall plan of salvation to be freed from this suffering which isn’t natural according to God and is a corruption of nature.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You keep acting like Christianity is the only way anyone can make sense of life, but that’s just what you believe it’s not some universal truth. Saying “God explains everything” isn’t an actual explanation, it’s just repeating your belief. You haven’t proven that logic or ethics require your specific God you’ve just decided they do.
There are plenty of spiritual ways to understand reality that don’t rely on Christianity. Just because someone doesn’t accept your framework doesn’t mean they “borrow” from itit means they see the world differently. You’re not the only one with a worldview that tries to make sense of things

Well it’s the only coherent paradigm that can accurately provide a coherent logical non contradictory account for metaphysical quandaries.


Which I quite amply proved and demonstrated enough for you to now try to piggy back off my own paradigm having realised yours is rediculous


There are many plenty of spiritual beliefs that’s true but none of them answer the questions and provide a reason why gods necessary even Islam and Judaism and Buddhism can’t provide an coherent logical non contradictory explanation and account for the things I already listed without falling into contradictions.


Only my one can do it that’s the point and you and I both know it. And I provided accounts and justifications for what I belive so stop account like I jsut restated my position I never did that stated my position and provided explanations and accounts for them, you just made assertions on things you can’t prove or explain and now you cry.


Even “universal” knowledge requires an knower something IMPOSSIBLE for you SON in your stupid system and then you have to give an account as to why this is the CASE to begin with. Another thing you can’t fucking do cos your a retard


This is a brutal deconstruction of Gaytheism, your story time and fairy tales won’t save you me gaytheist I just refuse to belive in idiocy

 

[VV62]

Well it’s the only coherent paradigm that can accurately provide a coherent logical non contradictory account for metaphysical quandaries.


Which I quite amply proved and demonstrated enough for you to now try to piggy back off my own paradigm having realised yours is rediculous


There are many plenty of spiritual beliefs that’s true but none of them answer the questions and provide a reason why gods necessary even Islam and Judaism and Buddhism can’t provide an coherent logical non contradictory explanation and account for the things I already listed without falling into contradictions.


Only my one can do it that’s the point and you and I both know it. And I provided accounts and justifications for what I belive so stop account like I jsut restated my position I never did that stated my position and provided explanations and accounts for them, you just made assertions on things you can’t prove or explain and now you cry.


Even “universal” knowledge requires an knower something IMPOSSIBLE for you SON in your stupid system and then you have to give an account as to why this is the CASE to begin with. Another thing you can’t fucking do cos your a retard


This is a brutal deconstruction of Gaytheism, your story time and fairy tales won’t save you me gaytheist I just refuse to belive in idiocy

Muh what i believe is true because i said so what a fucking argument nigger

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Muh what i believe is true because i said so what a fucking argument nigger

Once again provide accounts (justified true belief) for what you believe and your gay claims of fairy tale land stories which idc about or consider this discussion over and that you took an huge massive L.

And my argument wasn’t anything you said here i produced explanations and evidences and justifications for my worldview being the case unlike you. @Bl0odKn1ght I still go it brah @iblamexyz

 

[VV62]

Once again provide accounts (justified true belief) for what you believe and your gay claims of fairy tale land stories which idc about or consider this discussion over and that you took an huge massive L.

And my argument wasn’t anything you said here i produced explanations and evidences and justifications for my worldview being the case unlike you. @Bl0odKn1ght I still go it brah @iblamexyz

You haven’t proven shit you’ve just assumed your worldview is right Other spiritual paths ground truth in consciousness without needing your specific god, and that’s not incoherent it’s just not your religion.

 

[ethnic subhuman]

Both religions are for retarded people

 

[bakpaokukus]

Can Abrahamic niggas have a single day without beefing with each other?

 

[134applesauce456]

Can Abrahamic niggas have a single day without beefing with each other?

That's what i'm tryna say, then this thread turned into another argument