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Ok even if thats true we still have 6:34 and 10:64
10:64
"For them is good news in this worldly life and the Hereafter. There is no change in the promise of Allah. That is truly the ultimate triumph."
 
That's actually a good question, IDK. Certainly part of Christ's humility on earth made him dependent on the fathers will. Christ also requests from the father to remove his cup right before he is arrested. But from a philosophical point of view, my guess would be they are dependent, since they are one God.


God the father is the only true god, and he is in Christ and Christ in Him. Christ's earthly ministry is rooted in humility, from a humble birth to a humiliating death. In his earthly ministry, he humbled himself so much to pure submission to the Father's will. This is all part of his trip to the cross.


There exists no idea of stoning, murder, etc. in Christianity. Have they happened out of failures of men? Probably. But they aren't justified.


Actually heard this one many times, the answer is they both happened. He hung himself, rotted, fell from the rope, guts came out. Simple as. These describe the same event that took place in the Field of Blood. Not sure on the other ones but will look into them out of my curiosity.
First and foremost, thanks for answering me in a polite way, i like to talk to people who are respectful like you

The Judas one ok, i can catch that one but look at another thing, in one it says he spend his money and in the other it says he didn't
 
First and foremost, i will only answer this one Werty, since we all know religion can be a very long subject

Yes, when Allah said that his word is uncorruptible, it means that the Qur'an is uncorruptible, simple as that
But 3:3 says the Torah and the Gospel is Allah’s Word too, not just the Koran, which also makes it incorruptible
 
10:64
"For them is good news in this worldly life and the Hereafter. There is no change in the promise of Allah. That is truly the ultimate triumph."
  • “For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” (10:64).
 
3:3 says he sent down the Torah and the gospel
And revealed means the same thing

“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
6:34

in this verse he was talking to the prophet telling him to have patience like the prophets before him and he promised him triumph over the people that attacked him and called him a liar . and this "none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." means that triumph will occur just as he said because nothing can change that, because thats the word of god
 
6:34

in this verse he was talking to the prophet telling him to have patience like the prophets before him and he promised him triumph over the people that attacked him and called him a liar . and this "none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." means that triumph will occur just as he said because nothing can change that
Yes no one can alter the Words of Allah
Therefore the Torah and Gospel cannot have been corrupted bc they are the Word of Allah (3:3)
 
Yes no one can alter the Words of Allah
Therefore the Torah and Gospel cannot have been corrupted bc they are the Word of Allah (3:3)
allah didn't guard the torah and the bible . this is about the Quran
 
But 3:3 says the Torah and the Gospel is Allah’s Word too, not just the Koran, which also makes it incorruptible
Yes, but we have to take the entire corpus of it, Allah says too in the Qur'an that for example, He didn't rest after creating the heavens and the earth, so it confirms that the actual Bible Christians use is corrupted

To me it is pretty easy to win this argument, all i have to say is, bring me the original Injil (Original Gospel of Jesus in which we muslims believe before it was changed by Paul) and the original Tawrah (Original Torah before it was changed, if i'm not mistaken by jewish scholars)

The meaning of this is that Allah word doesn't change, that means that if Paul, Luke, Mark or the pope add something to the Bible, is not Allah book anymore
 
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Yes, but we have to take the entire corpus of it, Allah says too in the Qur'an that Jesus (alayhi a salat wa salam) is not the Son of God, so he is confirming that the actual books the Christians have are corrupted

To me it is pretty easy to win this argument, all i have to say is, bring me the original Injil (Original Gospel of Jesus in which we muslims believe before it was changes by Paul) and the original Tawrah (Original Torah before it was changed, if i'm not mistaken by jewish scholars)

The meaning of this is that Allah word doesn't change, that means that if Paul, Luke, Mark or the pope add something to the Bible, is not Allah book anymore
? Thats against the Gospel, which is the Word of Allah (3:3)

Im not talking about Paul or the Pope
 
? Thats against the Gospel, which is the Word of Allah (3:3)

Im not talking about Paul or the Pope
the meanings of his actual words.

since the torah and the bible thats been revealed is not that same
 
yes the meanings of his word/promises can't
Don't worry akhi, all you have to say is what i have explained

This one all you have to answer "Bring me the original Gospel of Jesus (alayhi a salat wa salam) and the original Tawrah of Moses (alayhi a salam)"
 
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I explained it brother, don't worry
i just want to add that the quran addresses how the pope and rabyas edited their books

9:31
"They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah,even though they were commanded to worship none but One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. Glorified is He above what they associate ˹with Him˺!"

9:34
"O believers! Indeed, many rabbis and monks consume people’s wealth wrongfully and hinder ˹others˺ from the Way of Allah. Give good news of a painful torment to those who hoard gold and silver and do not spend it in Allah’s cause. "
 
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Can a christian tell me why they chose Christianity over paganism or islam

i am genuinely interested on why you think Christianity is more true

and what are your gripes with other religions that made you choose it (mainly islam , since thats what most of my knowledge is composed of)



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not a christian myself, but if the question was „why do atheists convert to christianity or why are christians still christians“ Its prob that they dont blow them self up, and live a life based on long term happiness and not degeneracy

Why are you muslim? Esp if your from the west?
 
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not a christian myself, but if the question was „why do atheists convert to christianity or why are christians still christians“ Its prob that they dont blow them self up, and live a life based on long term happiness and not degeneracy

Why are you muslim? Esp if your from the west?
i am not from the west .

but i am muslim , because i believe its the truth

i used to be less religious 4 years ago .

but when i got blackpilled i realized that islam had the perfect solutions for all these problems the west faces(and that we will soon face since the middle east is starting to imitate the west's degeneracy) and that the reason the west is degenerating and the rest of the world .

is because Christianity has failed , the west needed to segregate the church from the state because it hindered their technological progress and territorial conquest , since Christianity says "turn thy cheek"

while islam promotes and rewards science and technological advancement and the laws islam provides (while harsh) are optimal

and i believe , if the west and the world wants to stand against globohomo, it needs to embrace islam.
 
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not a christian myself, but if the question was „why do atheists convert to christianity or why are christians still christians“ Its prob that they dont blow them self up, and live a life based on long term happiness and not degeneracy

Why are you muslim? Esp if your from the west?
I don't know any atheist who converted to christianity but i know a lot who made it to Islam, and a lot of Christian converts to Islam especially, even people who were specifically paid for hate Islam and making speeches against Islam believe it or not

According to Pew Research 106 million people will leave Christianity from 2010 to 2050, and 44 million will go into Christianity

Whereas 12 million people will convert to Islam and only 9 million will leave it, even when Islam is the most hated religion in the world by the mainstream media and the most attacked one, And Allah Knows Best

The terrorism argument is just a weak one, of course if the only source of information i had were to be the Mainstream Media then most probably i would hate Islam too, i would think that all muslims are terrorists but the reality is that the Muslims represent 1/4 of the planet, and not even 1% of that 1/4 of the human population ascribe themselves to a terrorist organisation (probably not even 0,2%), so please and with all due of respect and sincerity from my heart bro, learn for yourself

If you read the books, Bible and Qur'an, you would realise that everything you can criticise about the Qur'an you can do with the Bible on a even higher level, just learn with an open heart and sincetity bro, again, from the bottom of my heart i'm telling you this
 
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i am not from the west .

but i am muslim , because i believe its the truth

i used to be less religious 4 years ago .

but when i got blackpilled i realized that islam had the perfect solutions for all these problems the west faces(and that we will soon face since the middle east is starting to imitate the west's degeneracy) and that the reason the west is degenerating and the rest of the world .

is because Christianity has failed , the west needed to segregate the church from the state because it hindered their technological progress and territorial conquest , since Christianity says "turn thy cheek"

while islam promotes and rewards science and technological advancement and the laws islam provides (while harsh) are optimal

and i believe , if the west and the world wants to stand against globohomo, it needs to embrace islam.
Of course brother, i mean, look at it objectively

Why do you think they are waging a war against Islam constantly on the media?

Islam would demolish all the economical interest based system the world has nowadays since usury is prohibited, Subhanallah, Prophet Muhammad (alayhi a salat wa salam) made a prophecy about it by the way in a hadith recorded by Imam Muslim, he said "There will come a time when even if one doesn't want to go into usury, he will be afflicted by it's dust", and Subhanallah we are seeing this clearly today and Allahu A'lam

Not only usury but a lot of other things
 
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i am not from the west .

but i am muslim , because i believe its the truth

i used to be less religious 4 years ago .

but when i got blackpilled i realized that islam had the perfect solutions for all these problems the west faces(and that we will soon face since the middle east is starting to imitate the west's degeneracy) and that the reason the west is degenerating and the rest of the world .

is because Christianity has failed , the west needed to segregate the church from the state because it hindered their technological progress and territorial conquest , since Christianity says "turn thy cheek"

while islam promotes and rewards science and technological advancement and the laws islam provides (while harsh) are optimal

and i believe , if the west and the world wants to stand against globohomo, it needs to embrace islam.
And how do you explain why middle easterners or "muslims" act that degenerate in the west? They literally do all the crimes with the niggers, and force others to believe their way.
Plus they are also too nationalistic, which is fucking funny because the middle east scores badly on non-cultural IQ-Tests, are shorter on average, bald earlier, and so on
They also believe in spreading islam by interbreading with other races, which is funny that you want your own lineage to die out, that actually was responsable for the ottomann empire. Instead of fucking women other races they should focus on their own, and keeping their own lineage pure.

Also, if you go by the "why is there war in middle east" is prob because of the greater Israel and because war in generall is profitable (let the goys fight each other jfl). You cant critize islam in the west, you will get canceled, and called Nazi xd
 
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And how do you explain why middle easterners or "muslims" act that degenerate in the west? They literally do all the crimes with the niggers, and force others to believe their way.
i can't deny that some crimes are done by middle easterners

but i can say that most terrorist attacks , seem to be suspicious .

how do you explain ISIS not attacking israel , even though one of the signs of the day judgment is jesus coming and killing jews .

we believe that a day will come where we fight jews , and the jews will hide behind rocks and trees and the rocks and trees will shout "you muslim slave of god a jew is behind me , so fight him"

so it wouldn't make sense for extremists not to hate jews , even tho they killed the prophets

يقول الرسول -صلى الله عليه وسلم- : "لا تقوم الساعة حتى يقاتل المسلمون اليهود فيقتلهم المسلمون، حتى يختبئ اليهودي من وراء الحجر والشجر فيقول الحجر أو الشجر: يا مسلم يا عبد الله هذا يهودي خلفي فتعال!! فاقتله، إلا الغرقد فإنه من شجر اليهود"

and for the part about muslims not acting islamic:

everyone sins sadly, and some act barbarically, since they believe that this is the way to convert people.
 
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i can't deny that some crimes are done by middle easterners

but i can say that most terrorist attacks , seem to be suspicious .

how do you explain ISIS not attacking israel , even though one of the signs of the day judgment is jesus coming and killing jews .

we believe that a day will come where we fight jews , and the jews will hide behind rocks and trees and the rocks and trees will shout "you muslim slave of god a jew is behind me , so fight him"

so it wouldn't make sense for extremists not to hate jews , even tho they killed the prophets

يقول الرسول -صلى الله عليه وسلم- : "لا تقوم الساعة حتى يقاتل المسلمون اليهود فيقتلهم المسلمون، حتى يختبئ اليهودي من وراء الحجر والشجر فيقول الحجر أو الشجر: يا مسلم يا عبد الله هذا يهودي خلفي فتعال!! فاقتله، إلا الغرقد فإنه من شجر اليهود"

and for the part about muslims not acting islamic:

everyone sins sadly, and some act barbarically, since they believe that this is the way to convert people.
the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the arabs have been doing shit for germany. europeans once respected for example the turks, but that changed in the last decades.
 
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and we believe that he didn't die . but was lifted up to the heavens .
So the 12 apostles and 500 other early Christians who saw Jesus after he died were deceived lmao.
i don't get what you mean by kingdoms ?
He's implying that Islam is concerned with the world and its ambitions/desires. Muslims throughout history have lusted after the spread of Islam, political control, power, fear and innovation in many fields whereas Christianity orders people to not indulge in this world and have their hearts toward God and his Kingdom. The ambitious, greedy, power-hungry, idolatrous, worldly and covetous will go to hell. This is a fallen world and nobody who fully REPENTS from his sins will enter heaven regardless of his current stance. And by repentance, I am not implying 'lip repentance/confession' but I am implying that those who wish to seek inherit life should deny their flesh, desires, possessions actually stop sinning physically/mentally.
i would like to ask you a question : how could there be 3 gods ? , isn't that very similar to paganism
It literally says they are triune (or one). They are 3 distinct persons, but 1 in being. 1/3 +1/3+1/3 gives you 3/3 = 1 and that is the logic behind the trinity. The father, son and spirit (they each have unique roles) are three essential figures of Godhood which is one entire being.
 
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So the 12 apostles and 500 other early Christians who saw Jesus after he died were deceived lmao.
To be honest the apostles differed a lot with the teaching of the biggest liar of history, Paul, the enemy of the real christians, the one who made it a mission on himself to erradicate the true followers of Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him) and then supppsedly had a vision, a vision which somehow mixed the true and pure teachings of Jesus with some Hellenistic costumes
He's implying that Islam is concerned with the world and its ambitions/desires. Muslims throughout history have lusted after the spread of Islam, political control, power, fear and innovation in many fields whereas Christianity orders people to not indulge in this world and have their hearts toward God and his Kingdom. The ambitious, greedy, power-hungry, idolatrous, worldly and covetous will go to hell. This is a fallen world and nobody who fully REPENTS from his sins will enter heaven regardless of his current stance. And by repentance, I am not implying 'lip repentance/confession' but I am implying that those who wish to seek inherit life should deny their flesh, desires, possessions actually stop sinning physically/mentally.
Christians close to god? Come on son, Christianity is the religion from which more people apostate in all the world (it's not even close to other religions), let alone the fact that churches are emptier and emptier, demolished almost everyday whereas more mosques are being built, and these are just sociological facts really, not even theological ones, normally i wouldn't use them to be honest

So to you being closer to God means to basically reject religion in your society and even letting the media constantly mock it?

Yeah right, and we muslims, who Pray humbly 5 times a day making sure that we are clean when we do it (In Fajr prayer we wake up 2 hours before the sun has risen, so think about the effort just to please God), we bow our heads to God, fast one entire month every year for the sake of God, have charity obligatory upon us for the sake of Allah, the ones who are constantly fighting against sin like fornication, woman dressing unappropiately, usury, homosexuality, oppression, thief, etc etc etc, which are not just sins in Islam but in Christianity too, even when we can benefit and saciate our wordly desires from them like Christians do nowadays on the West, we are the ones who are far from God and the ones who love this world and not the hereafter? Allow me to doubt it John, with all due respect i invite to relearn all about Islam and christianity

Even according to the Bible when Jesus was asked about how to reach eternal life, look at Matthew 19:16 to 19:17: "
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Do you really think that the same God who destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah would be proud of the actual state of the Christian world in the west, and be happy by seeing how Christians tolerate his law to be not only insulted, but mocked at, without even blinking an eye?

You made me remember that some years ago in i don't know which european country, some organisation made pictures mocking our beloved and respected prophet Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him) and the muslims protested against it while the christians stayed on their corner
It literally says they are triune (or one). They are 3 distinct persons, but 1 in being. 1/3 +1/3+1/3 gives you 3/3 = 1 and that is the logic behind the trinity. The father, son and spirit (they each have unique roles) are three essential figures of Godhood which is one entire being.
If Jesus is God, All Powerful and All Knowing, how can he claim that he didn't know the Hour like Jesus did in Matthew 24:36?: "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

Why did he prayed, cried, asked and feared himself in Hebrews 5:7?: "During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission."

Why did he said he has a God, when he himself is supposedly God in John 20:17?: "Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

How can christians claim that something as important as the trinitarian concept, the core base of their religion, didn't even come out of the mouth of our beloved Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him), why didn't he say somewhere "I'm God, Worship me", it is as simple as that

If Jesus is God, why did he claim that the Father is greater than Him in John 14:28?: “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I."

Last but not least i will leave you this photos John, i think you may be a sincere person with the wrong information, that you need with all due respect to throw the biases you have against Islam, i don't know from where you learned about Islam but i can say 100% that you are wrong bro, again, with all due respect that you deserve as a person and from the bottom of my heart bro, don't think i'm criticising your person John, rather, i'm arguing about theology teachings and i'm showing that muslims nowadays practice more the Christian teachings more than the christians themselves, like when Jesus bow in prayer or when he fasted, or when he condemned sexual inmorality, etc etc etc
 

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i am not from the west .

but i am muslim , because i believe its the truth

i used to be less religious 4 years ago .

but when i got blackpilled i realized that islam had the perfect solutions for all these problems the west faces(and that we will soon face since the middle east is starting to imitate the west's degeneracy) and that the reason the west is degenerating and the rest of the world .

is because Christianity has failed , the west needed to segregate the church from the state because it hindered their technological progress and territorial conquest , since Christianity says "turn thy cheek"

while islam promotes and rewards science and technological advancement and the laws islam provides (while harsh) are optimal

and i believe , if the west and the world wants to stand against globohomo, it needs to embrace islam.
 
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To be honest the apostles differed a lot with the teaching of the biggest liar of history, Paul, the enemy of the real christians, the one who made it a mission on himself to erradicate the true followers of Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him) and then supppsedly had a vision, a vision which somehow mixed the true and pure teachings of Jesus with some Hellenistic costumes

Christians close to god? Come on son, Christianity is the religion from which more people apostate in all the world (it's not even close to other religions), let alone the fact that churches are emptier and emptier, demolished almost everyday whereas more mosques are being built, and these are just sociological facts really, not even theological ones, normally i wouldn't use them to be honest

So to you being closer to God means to basically reject religion in your society and even letting the media constantly mock it?

Yeah right, and we muslims, who Pray humbly 5 times a day making sure that we are clean when we do it (In Fajr prayer we wake up 2 hours before the sun has risen, so think about the effort just to please God), we bow our heads to God, fast one entire month every year for the sake of God, have charity obligatory upon us for the sake of Allah, the ones who are constantly fighting against sin like fornication, woman dressing unappropiately, usury, homosexuality, oppression, thief, etc etc etc, which are not just sins in Islam but in Christianity too, even when we can benefit and saciate our wordly desires from them like Christians do nowadays on the West, we are the ones who are far from God and the ones who love this world and not the hereafter? Allow me to doubt it John, with all due respect i invite to relearn all about Islam and christianity

Even according to the Bible when Jesus was asked about how to reach eternal life, look at Matthew 19:16 to 19:17: "
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Do you really think that the same God who destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah would be proud of the actual state of the Christian world in the west, and be happy by seeing how Christians tolerate his law to be not only insulted, but mocked at, without even blinking an eye?

You made me remember that some years ago in i don't know which european country, some organisation made pictures mocking our beloved and respected prophet Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him) and the muslims protested against it while the christians stayed on their corner

If Jesus is God, All Powerful and All Knowing, how can he claim that he didn't know the Hour like Jesus did in Matthew 24:36?: "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

Why did he prayed, cried, asked and feared himself in Hebrews 5:7?: "During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission."

Why did he said he has a God, when he himself is supposedly God in John 20:17?: "Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

How can christians claim that something as important as the trinitarian concept, the core base of their religion, didn't even come out of the mouth of our beloved Jesus (alayhi a salam/peace be upon him), why didn't he say somewhere "I'm God, Worship me", it is as simple as that

If Jesus is God, why did he claim that the Father is greater than Him in John 14:28?: “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I."

Last but not least i will leave you this photos John, i think you may be a sincere person with the wrong information, that you need with all due respect to throw the biases you have against Islam, i don't know from where you learned about Islam but i can say 100% that you are wrong bro, again, with all due respect that you deserve as a person and from the bottom of my heart bro, don't think i'm criticising your person John, rather, i'm arguing about theology teachings and i'm showing that muslims nowadays practice more the Christian teachings more than the christians themselves, like when Jesus bow in prayer or when he fasted, or when he condemned sexual inmorality, etc etc etc
Cuz Jesus appeared as the Messiah to teach the Jews the perfect faith
He is the role model thats why he cried and told them they dont know
 
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in islam we do believe that jesus existed but where we would differ is that we believe that he isn't the son of god and is a prophet .

and we believe that he didn't die . but was lifted up to the heavens .

i don't get what you mean by kingdoms ?

i would like to ask you a question : how could there be 3 gods ? , isn't that very similar to paganism
In Christianity,we all are sons and daughters of god the father.We believe jesus came down from heaven.

If you remove an arm and leg from your body, to become three different parts.The removed parts are from the same body.
The father is invisible,the son is the image of the invisible god and the holy spirit dwells in everyone.
 

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