Churchill Was One Of The Most Vile Racists In History

[Deleted member 10987]

Anatolian Turk is an identity in liniage. If you are connected to the Turkish Islamic expansion into anatolia during the first or second migration you are a Turk.

What about those who are 0 % turkic ?

 

[Uglybrazilian]

A imperialist racist monster.

 

[terrorblade]

>muh waycism

 

[Deleted member 10913]

It would be like me claiming algerians are Romans cause our Cavalry was the elite cavalry of the Roman army
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hmmm, yea but some key factors are left out here.

Turkish was one of the main language's used in Pakistan. The term 'urdu' derrives from ordu meaning army. Clearly a Turkish word that they used to describe their language. They have a similair flag like us.

If today the presence of Rome was felt in Algeria on could make the claim of similarities. It might not be based on genetics but on how the state and origin came in being. If Roman settlers in Algeria started their own state and it somehow continued to this day it would make sense to atleast acknowledge the connection to Rome but instead the Arab settlers made a state and it continues to this day. Now it is true that Algeria has more Arab presence genetically then that Pakistani's would have a Uzbek/Turkoman presence but the comparison can be made with Sudan. While it's has no profound Genetic Arab legacy it has a socio political one. Similair to how Pakistan would have with Turkey.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

What about those who are 0 % turkic ?

Means they have no liniage to the Seljuks from the current understanding in genetics.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Means they have no liniage to the Seljuks from the current understanding in genetics.

Then they aint turkic

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Then they aint turkic

yea but someone who can show his liniage even when he has 10% central asian dna can describe himself as an Anatolian Turk for he traces his liniage to the Islamic expansions

 

[Deleted member 10987]

hmmm, yea but some key factors are left out here.

Turkish was one of the main language's used in Pakistan. The term 'urdu' derrives from ordu meaning army. Clearly a Turkish word that they used to describe their language. They have a similair flag like us.
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If today the presence of Rome was felt in Algeria on could make the claim of similarities. It might not be based on genetics but on how the state and origin came in being. If Roman settlers in Algeria started their own state and it somehow continued to this day it would make sense to atleast acknowledge the connection to Rome but instead the Arab settlers made a state and it continues to this day. Now it is true that Algeria has more Arab presence genetically then that Pakistani's would have a Uzbek/Turkoman presence but the comparison can be made with Sudan. While it's has no profound Genetic Arab legacy it has a socio political one. Similair to how Pakistan would have with Turkey.

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I never claimed to be arab and it was we created our capital/state in the 900s with Bologhine ibn Ziri

 

[Deleted member 10987]

yea but someone who can show his liniage even when he has 10% central asian dna can describe himself as an Anatolian Turk for he traces his liniage to the Islamic expansions

I know but someone with zero turkic heritage exist

 

[Deleted member 10987]

hmmm, yea but some key factors are left out here.

Turkish was one of the main language's used in Pakistan. The term 'urdu' derrives from ordu meaning army. Clearly a Turkish word that they used to describe their language. They have a similair flag like us.
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If today the presence of Rome was felt in Algeria on could make the claim of similarities. It might not be based on genetics but on how the state and origin came in being. If Roman settlers in Algeria started their own state and it somehow continued to this day it would make sense to atleast acknowledge the connection to Rome but instead the Arab settlers made a state and it continues to this day. Now it is true that Algeria has more Arab presence genetically then that Pakistani's would have a Uzbek/Turkoman presence but the comparison can be made with Sudan. While it's has no profound Genetic Arab legacy it has a socio political one. Similair to how Pakistan would have with Turkey.

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Still the larp is too strong
Pakis should be proud of being pakistanis and not larp as turkic/arab

 

[Deleted member 10987]

hmmm, yea but some key factors are left out here.

Turkish was one of the main language's used in Pakistan. The term 'urdu' derrives from ordu meaning army. Clearly a Turkish word that they used to describe their language. They have a similair flag like us.
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If today the presence of Rome was felt in Algeria on could make the claim of similarities. It might not be based on genetics but on how the state and origin came in being. If Roman settlers in Algeria started their own state and it somehow continued to this day it would make sense to atleast acknowledge the connection to Rome but instead the Arab settlers made a state and it continues to this day. Now it is true that Algeria has more Arab presence genetically then that Pakistani's would have a Uzbek/Turkoman presence but the comparison can be made with Sudan. While it's has no profound Genetic Arab legacy it has a socio political one. Similair to how Pakistan would have with Turkey.

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Our genes are EB1B1 Berber

 

[Deleted member 10913]

I know but someone with zero turkic heritage exist

yea it can be the case. He is a Turkish national. Can also be a devout Muslim. I personally don't believe in nationalism as a valid ideology. In the end in material lfie only your face matters and in the grave only your iman and creed will determine your standing.

I never claimed to be arab and it was we created our capital/state in the 900s with Bologhine ibn Ziri

Yea ofcourse you might not be personally Arab but the Algerian constitution does and the ruling party claims to be an Arabist not even just Arab,

Our genes are EB1B1 Berber

by how much is this. Majority in Anatolia is J2 by 30%

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Still the larp is too strong
Pakis should be proud of being pakistanis and not larp as turkic/arab

@TRUE_CEL says the ancestor of pakistan is the indus civilisation

 

[Deleted member 10987]

yea it can be the case. He is a Turkish national. Can also be a devout Muslim. I don't personally don't believe in nationalism as a valid ideology. In the end in material lfie only your face matters and in the grave only your iman and creed will determine your standing.

Yea ofcourse you might not be personally Arab but the Algerian constitution does and the ruling party claims to be an Arabist not even just Arab,

by how much is this. Majority in Anatolia is J2 by 30%

99 % in paternal line
Maternal line we took European and black sex slaves

 

[Deleted member 10987]

yea it can be the case. He is a Turkish national. Can also be a devout Muslim. I don't personally don't believe in nationalism as a valid ideology. In the end in material lfie only your face matters and in the grave only your iman and creed will determine your standing.

Yea ofcourse you might not be personally Arab but the Algerian constitution does and the ruling party claims to be an Arabist not even just Arab,

by how much is this. Majority in Anatolia is J2 by 30%

The Algerian constitution claim that the three main core of algeria is Islam first, then Arab and Amazigh

 

[Deleted member 10987]

yea it can be the case. He is a Turkish national. Can also be a devout Muslim. I personally don't believe in nationalism as a valid ideology. In the end in material lfie only your face matters and in the grave only your iman and creed will determine your standing.

Yea ofcourse you might not be personally Arab but the Algerian constitution does and the ruling party claims to be an Arabist not even just Arab,

by how much is this. Majority in Anatolia is J2 by 30%

>only iman

Based

 

[Deleted member 10913]

99 % in paternal line
Maternal line we took European and black sex slaves

You personally or everyone??



from what i see it's just a presence of both.. depending on the person it would differ obviously. Some might be zero Arab

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

The Beloved Muhammad (alayhi a salat wa salam) was clear against extreme nationalism, which is part of the tree of tribalism, according to narrations. Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever rejects lawful obedience to the leader and divides the community and dies in this state will have died upon ignorance. Whoever fights under the banner of one who is blind, raging for the sake of tribalism, or calling to tribalism, or supporting tribalism, and is killed in this state will have died upon ignorance. Whoever rebels against my nation, striking the righteous and wicked alike and sparing not even the believers and does not fulfill the pledge of security, then he has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him.”

 

[Deleted member 10987]

You personally or everyone??



from what i see it's just a presence of both.. depending on the person it would differ obviously. Some might be zero Arab

Other way around
I might be the few maghrebi with arab blood
All other are pure berbers
But again im 25 % French cause my grand-mother is french so its whole case

Im Amazigh with some arab blood + 25 % french (Auvergne, Normandy)

 

[Deleted member 10913]

The Algerian constitution claim that the three main core of algeria is Islam first, then Arab and Amazigh

Yea but Arab is still part of it not the roman legacy. So it would make sense that Pakistan feels a connection to their Turkish part while not forgetting it's past in the indus valey and foremost ofcourse It's Islamic part. From what i know they regart the start of their history from the moment Islam was introduced in places like sindh and the northern sides of their nation.

The military of Pakistan has named its short-range ballistic missile the Ghaznavi Missile in honour of Mahmud of Ghazni.[48] In addition, the Pakistan Military Academy, where cadets are trained to become officers of the Pakistan Army, also gives tribute to Mahmud of Ghazni by naming one of its twelve companies Ghaznavi Company.

They give many names to early Islamic statesman and commanders. From what I know they regard this as their foundation. It's just the case that most of them had an Islamic Turkish/Persianate ancestry. I only guess that secularist reject Turkish connection to Pakistan. For them it's a way to undermine their Islamic foundation. Otherwise we are perfectly connected with each other.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Other way around
I might be the few maghrebi with arab blood
All other are pure berbers

jfl the last of the Arabs. like some movie heading lmao man it must be more then just you @ThatDjangoWalk you where from Fas if i am correct. Are you personally Arab or Berberi

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

jfl the last of the Arabs. like some movie heading lmao man it must be more then just you @ThatDjangoWalk you where from Fas if i am correct. Are you personally Arab or Berberi

No, i'm from Tangier. I have close family members who have green eyes and yellow hair, and others who look completely arab. I guess we are very mixed.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Yea but Arab is still part of it not the roman legacy. So it would make sense that Pakistan feels a connection to their Turkish part while not forgetting it's past in the indus valey and foremost ofcourse It's Islamic part. From what i know they regart the start of their history from the moment Islam was introduced in places like sindh and the northern sides of their nation.


They give many names to early Islamic statesman and commanders. From what I know they regard this as their foundation. It's just the case that most of them had an Islamic Turkish/Persianate ancestry. I only guess that secularist reject Turkish connection to Pakistan. For them it's a way to undermine their Islamic foundation. Otherwise we are perfectly connected with each other.

The Roman argument was a dumb argument to show the stupidity of these larpers

 

[Deleted member 10987]

No, i'm from Tangier. I have close family members who have green eyes and yellow hair, and others who look completely arab. I guess we are very mixed.

Berber is mostly skullshape
We come in different coloring cause of various environements (Riffians/Kabylians lighter than other cause very high mountainus terrain/cold winters)

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Berber is mostly skullshape
We come in different coloring cause of various environements (Riffians/Kabylians lighter than other cause very high mountainus terrain/cold winters)

We have strong cheekbones i think. At least i see that pattern.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

We have strong cheekbones i think. At least i see that pattern.

Yep
Berberid pheno

Light to medium brown skin, curly-wavy, brown to black hair. Rather short, mesoskelic, meso- to endomorph. Dolichocephalic, chamae- orthocranic. Mildly leptorrhine, sometimes mesorrhine nose, often with a depressed bridge. Face coarse and wide, significant zygomatic arches, interorbital distance great. Sometimes slanting / pseudo-Mongoloid eyes. Jaw heavy and angular, arches marked.


It has something to do with pronounced zygomatic arches

 

[Deleted member 10913]

No, i'm from Tangier. I have close family members who have green eyes and yellow hair, and others who look completely arab. I guess we are very mixed.

Aah i see, just to note when Turks refer Fas it's not the city but the entire Country

 

[Deleted member 10913]

The Roman argument was a dumb argument to show the stupidity of these larpers

I have not seen a Paki who calls himself like Turk in literal sense but is it wrong for them to show that they are connected to us?

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Aah i see, just to note when Turks refer Fas it's not the city but the entire Country

I guess it's because Fas the city was the Capital of Knowledge (Assimatul ilm) in the past.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

I have not seen a Paki who calls himself like Turk in literal sense but is it wrong for them to show that they are connected to us?

Go to /pol/
They are by the dozen
They even show pics of white pakistanis and they those are turkics


They were connected yes but it doesnt they are same people
Man Ertugrul did really brainwash some part of the population

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Aah i see, just to note when Turks refer Fas it's not the city but the entire Country

Because of the war betweens the two states

 

[Beetlejuice]

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

what's the appeal of this photo, why is it so iconic? jfl

 

[Beetlejuice]

what's the appeal of this photo, why is it so iconic? jfl

very famous painting

The Scream is the popular name given to a composition created by Norwegian Expressionist artist Edvard Munch in 1893. The original German title given by Munch to his work was Der Schrei der Natur (The Scream of Nature), and the Norwegian title is Skrik (Shriek). The agonised face in the painting has become one of the most iconic images of art, seen as symbolising the anxiety of the human condition.

The Scream - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lorsss]

meanwhile Mussolini built mosques in the italian colony of Libya and protected muslims. He also received the "sword of islam", a handcraft artifact made by a muslim preacher

Nevertheless, Mussolini acted a violent repression of Libyan rebels against colonialism, and started a colonial war against Ethiopia in 1936. Italy used faithful Erithrean colonial troops to defeat the Ethiopian army

Fascist propaganda justified Ethiopian war with the fact Fascists wanted to conquer Ethiopia to end slavery in that country.
The most famous fascist song is "Faccetta nera" (literally tiny black face), it is a song about Ethiopian war, it encourages italian soldiers to fight the ethiopian government to free a hot black girl from slavery. Italian soldiers are considered heroes and liberators of ethiopian slaves in this song, specifically liberators of this black girl who is fetishized by the song.




In 1937, Mussolini allied with Hitler and emanated racial laws that targeted jews in Italy.
some racial laws already existed because marriage between italian settlers in colonies and natives was forbidden. Misgenation with natives was allowed, in fact a famous fascist journalist who fought in Ethiopia received a jailbait 13 years old native concubine to accompany him.

 

[Gengar]

Turkish was one of the main language's used in Pakistan. The term 'urdu' derrives from ordu meaning army. Clearly a Turkish word that they used to describe their language. They have a similair flag like us.

tagging @Maesthetic as well

actually its not turkish but rather turkic, so its from before anatolian turkish and therefore not turkish, during the times when mongols were running amok in central asia and turkic peoples persianified themselves. and despite the suggestion of the name urdu as a language, the loan words are minimum. one i can think of off the top of my head would be the word for socks, we say "juraab" whereas in modern day turkish it would be "cherap" or something like that. and words such as "niyat" or "qismat".

Still the larp is too strong
Pakis should be proud of being pakistanis and not larp as turkic/arab

there are some pakistanis who larp as turkish or arab but they are a minority and irl ive never come across one. by far most pakistanis are simply proud pakistanis but we have a lot of love for fellow islamic people regardless of their ethnic background, take the turks for example. back when the british were still ruling in south asia they forced islamic people to partake in world war 1 and to let them fight against the ottomans. in the beginning fighting happened until the islamic south asians heard the adhan, then they realized they were fighting their islamic brothers so they refused to fight afterwards which resulted in them getting the death penalty. they were lined up and shot by guns or they were put on boats which were then sunk after the british fired cannons at them

@TRUE_CEL says the ancestor of pakistan is the indus civilisation

this is correct, we are the descendants of the people of the ancient indus valley civilization. it is so old that we know nothing about them, unlike those mesopotamians from iraq/syria and ancient egyptians. that alone speaks volumes. although yesterday i saw a tweet that said that the women in the indus valley civilization were the first people to wear
lipstick 6000 years ago. thats 1000 years before ancient egypt even started.

Yea but Arab is still part of it not the roman legacy. So it would make sense that Pakistan feels a connection to their Turkish part while not forgetting it's past in the indus valey and foremost ofcourse It's Islamic part. From what i know they regart the start of their history from the moment Islam was introduced in places like sindh and the northern sides of their nation.


They give many names to early Islamic statesman and commanders. From what I know they regard this as their foundation. It's just the case that most of them had an Islamic Turkish/Persianate ancestry. I only guess that secularist reject Turkish connection to Pakistan. For them it's a way to undermine their Islamic foundation. Otherwise we are perfectly connected with each other.

i think 99.9% of pakistanis do not even know that the first civilization was the indus valley civilization since there are always indians who are claiming that the vedic civilization is the first in the region which isnt true but people just accept it. its funny because indians today will say that pakistanis are following the religion of invaders and they want to claim that hinduism is the original religion of the people in the region, but vedic civilization itself came towards the end of the indus valley civilization and thousands of years had already passed by then, its safe to say that the original people were no longer alive and thus the vedic civilization which was brought by so called aryans are invaders as well according to their logic so then hinduism obviously cannot be the original religion there. a part of me believes that the original people in the indus valley civilization preached monotheism like islam since islam has existed since day one. only people have corrupted its message overtime.

also there is definitely a pakistan-turkey connection because of the turkic peoples that have come and gone through our lands. to have reached turkey they had no other option than to trek through south asia since the turkic people originate from northeast china. except a major difference is that these turkic people settled in anatolia but not in south asia. at least not in pakistan or north india. at most they had rulers here who were persianized but they did not leave a genetic legacy, just like how the british had ruled over one hundred years yet they did not leave a genetic legacy either. so there is definitely a connection between pakistan and turkey and it is solidified by islam.

finally i would like to say that that is also true, pakistan regards that the first pakistani is in fact muhammad bin qasim, a young arab commander who managed to conquer sindh which is in the south of pakistan. so that is when our timeline really started and not in 1947.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

tagging @Maesthetic as well

actually its not turkish but rather turkic, so its from before anatolian turkish and therefore not turkish, during the times when mongols were running amok in central asia and turkic peoples persianified themselves. and despite the suggestion of the name urdu as a language, the loan words are minimum. one i can think of off the top of my head would be the word for socks, we say "juraab" whereas in modern day turkish it would be "cherap" or something like that. and words such as "niyat" or "qismat".


there are some pakistanis who larp as turkish or arab but they are a minority and irl ive never come across one. by far most pakistanis are simply proud pakistanis but we have a lot of love for fellow islamic people regardless of their ethnic background, take the turks for example. back when the british were still ruling in south asia they forced islamic people to partake in world war 1 and to let them fight against the ottomans. in the beginning fighting happened until the islamic south asians heard the adhan, then they realized they were fighting their islamic brothers so they refused to fight afterwards which resulted in them getting the death penalty. they were lined up and shot by guns or they were put on boats which were then sunk after the british fired cannons at them

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this is correct, we are the descendants of the people of the ancient indus valley civilization. it is so old that we know nothing about them, unlike those mesopotamians from iraq/syria and ancient egyptians. that alone speaks volumes. although yesterday i saw a tweet that said that the women in the indus valley civilization were the first people to wear
lipstick 6000 years ago. thats 1000 years before ancient egypt even started.



i think 99.9% of pakistanis do not even know that the first civilization was the indus valley civilization since there are always indians who are claiming that the vedic civilization is the first in the region which isnt true but people just accept it. its funny because indians today will say that pakistanis are following the religion of invaders and they want to claim that hinduism is the original religion of the people in the region, but vedic civilization itself came towards the end of the indus valley civilization and thousands of years had already passed by then, its safe to say that the original people were no longer alive and thus the vedic civilization which was brought by so called aryans are invaders as well according to their logic so then hinduism obviously cannot be the original religion there. a part of me believes that the original people in the indus valley civilization preached monotheism like islam since islam has existed since day one. only people have corrupted its message overtime.

also there is definitely a pakistan-turkey connection because of the turkic peoples that have come and gone through our lands. to have reached turkey they had no other option than to trek through south asia since the turkic people originate from northeast china. except a major difference is that these turkic people settled in anatolia but not in south asia. at least not in pakistan or north india. at most they had rulers here who were persianized but they did not leave a genetic legacy, just like how the british had ruled over one hundred years yet they did not leave a genetic legacy either. so there is definitely a connection between pakistan and turkey and it is solidified by islam.

finally i would like to say that that is also true, pakistan regards that the first pakistani is in fact muhammad bin qasim, a young arab commander who managed to conquer sindh which is in the south of pakistan. so that is when our timeline really started and not in 1947.

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