Clavicular getting a lefort 2????

[moze]

Bump

 

[thecel]

botb worthy post

 

[Snicket]

Bump

It appears so, yes.

He claims LF2 + 6mm BSSO advancement + genio.

@Clavicular mentioned that he had a 2mm overbite so I'd wager around 6-7 mm LF2 advancement.

There's also a downgraft but I don't know what kind of movement we're talking about.

 

[moze]

It appears so, yes.

He claims LF2 + 6mm BSSO advancement + genio.

@Clavicular mentioned that he had a 2mm overbite so I'd wager around 6-7 mm LF2 advancement.

There's also a downgraft but I don't know what kind of movement we're talking about.

Thats crazy… why is he doing this i think he is already above htn

 

[Snicket]

Thats crazy… why is he doing this i think he is already above htn

He probably thinks it will turn him into a chad.
I'm shocked Celal agreed to do perform the operation.
Quite frankly, LF2 seems medically unethical in this case.

 

[moze]

He probably thinks it will turn him into a chad.
I'm shocked Celal agreed to do perform the operation.
Quite frankly, LF2 seems medically unethical in this case.

lets see how it goes…

 

[Snicket]

lets see how it goes…

I look forward to seeing the the outcome too.
High level Leforts aren't chad affirming surgeries, they're meant to correct severe midfacial retrusion.
I suspect the result will be underwhelming but it's not usually performed cosmetically so we'll have to wait and see.

 

[moze]

I look forward to seeing the the outcome too.
High level Leforts aren't chad affirming surgeries, they're meant to correct severe midfacial retrusion.
I suspect the result will be underwhelming but it's not usually performed cosmetically so we'll have to wait and see.

Yea its very interesting as its first lefort 2 perfomed on a normal person

 

[Snicket]

Yea its very interesting as its first lefort 2 perfomed on a normal person

No, they are performed on non syndromic patients too but even in these cases, we're usually talking around a 1cm underbite.

 

[moze]

No, they are performed on non syndromic patients too but even in these cases, we're usually talking around a 1cm underbite.

Do you have any pictures?coz i didnt see much

 

[Snicket]

Do you have any pictures?coz i didnt see much

No, they're all blurry. I can't find them right now but they're honestly useless.

 

[tweaqo]

He probably thinks it will turn him into a chad.
I'm shocked Celal agreed to do perform the operation.
Quite frankly, LF2 seems medically unethical in this case.

What do you reckon the chances of if Celal butchering Clavicular

 

[Snicket]

What do you reckon the chances of if Celal butchering Clavicular

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Low. The safety profile is pretty damn good for this surgery.

I think he has over inflated expectations about what LF2 will achieve though.

There’s a high chance he’ll be dissatisfied with the result imo.

Insanely invasive for marginal gain.

 

[tweaqo]

Low. The safety profile is pretty damn good for this surgery.

I think he has over inflated expectations about what LF2 will achieve though.

There’s a high chance he’ll be dissatisfied with the result imo

Brutal

Regardless, why do you think clavicular would choose Celal, I’m sure there are better surgeons with better track records out there.

 

[Snicket]

Brutal

Regardless, why do you think clavicular would choose Celal, I’m sure there are better surgeons with better track records out there.

Too much TikTok and .org browsing + cost.

Respectable surgeons would charge 50k + for this.

 

[iblamemygenes]

What a retard thinking he needs a lf2 or even any surgery, was Chad fishing with his autist dog pics and still got 100 likes in 2 days. Dumb piece of shit

 

[IanIachimoe2491]

What do you reckon the chances of if Celal butchering Clavicular

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inb4 clavicular gets botched and ropes

 

[chadisbeingmade]

i think he is already above htn

In mumbai

 

[iseeblue9]

Turkish surgeons are butchers that is why they are willing to perform anything (OBO LE FORT 2-3) where as his other partners even rameiri or pagnoni won’t even do a le fort 2 in pipe dreams

 

[iblamemygenes]

Turkish surgeons are butchers that is why they are willing to perform anything (OBO LE FORT 2-3) where as his other partners even rameiri or pagnoni won’t even do a le fort 2 in pipe dreams

Yo

 

[Snicket]

Yo

Good news. You can get your LF2 now.

I honestly didn't believe Celal would do it in your case but if he'll do it on Clavicular, who's not a candidate in any way shape or form then he'll almost certainly do it on you.

 

[Snicket]

Turkish surgeons are butchers that is why they are willing to perform anything (OBO LE FORT 2-3) where as his other partners even rameiri or pagnoni won’t even do a le fort 2 in pipe dreams

There are European surgeons who perform it but they're not celebrities on here.

 

[iblamemygenes]

Good news. You can get your LF2 now.

I honestly didn't believe Celal would do it in your case but if he'll do it on Clavicular, who's not a candidate in any way shape or form then he'll almost certainly do it on you.

Well tbh I didn’t rly want a lf2 I just wanna fix my mfr

 

[HardmaxxUser]

He probably thinks it will turn him into a chad.
I'm shocked Celal agreed to do perform the operation.
Quite frankly, LF2 seems medically unethical in this case.

I agree. Recovery for lf2 is brutal. Will set you out for a good 2-3 months. If everything goes well it would be a much better option and change then just a simple bimax

 

[Deleted member 139053]

im interested in this.i fully support @Clavicular decision.

 

[Snicket]

im interested in this.i fully support @Clavicular decision.

The vast majority of the user base have zero clue what LF2 entails and the risks inherent in the operation.

No respectable surgeon would agree do perform surgery on someone who isn’t a clinical candidate and already looks good.

I don’t think he’ll get the outcome he’s looking for but we’ll have to wait and see.

 

[Deleted member 139053]

The vast majority of the user base have zero clue what LF2 entails and the risks inherent in the operation.

No respectable surgeon would agree do perform surgery on someone who isn’t a clinical candidate and already looks good.

I don’t think he’ll get the outcome he’s looking for but we’ll have to wait and see.

His choice and the process seems interesting.If i was in clavs shoes i wouldnt get lefort bsso or genio at all.But hes a true looksamxxer

 

[Joaquin]

I think that on the first place clavicular has to be retarded to want a lf 2 bc he doesnt even needed but the surgeon that Accept to do It Will be even more retarded

 

[Snicket]

If everything goes well it would be a much better option and change then just a simple bimax

His choice and the process seems interesting.If i was in clavs shoes i wouldnt get lefort bsso or genio at all.But hes a true looksamxxer

Maybe. I understand that he wants to look better but surgery doesn’t provide linear improvements.

I don’t think many people here understand this point.

It’s far easier to go from ugly to normal than good looking to “Chad”.

LF2 was devised to correct a completely malformed midface; it’s not a chad affirming operation but a normalization procedure at its core.

I think the gain is marginal at best and for what?

 

[Deleted member 139053]

Maybe. I understand that he wants to look better but surgery doesn’t provide linear improvements.

I don’t think many people here understand this point.

It’s far easier to go from ugly to normal than good looking to “Chad”.

LF2 was devised to correct a completely malformed midface; it’s not a chad affirming operation but a normalization procedure at its core.

true

 

[Snicket]

I think that on the first place clavicular has to be retarded to want a lf 2 bc he doesnt even needed but the surgeon that Accept to do It Will be even more retarded

Celal probably. He’s a Turkish surgeon.

 

[mikeperry271]

It’s far easier to go from ugly to normal than good looking to “Chad”.

don't agree with this statement tbh
a solid base makes looksmaxxing (hard- and/or softmaxxing) way easier
e.g.: if you genuinely have severe recession, you can't be saved, as surgeons are limited in the amount of mm's they can move bones

 

[Joaquin]

Celal probably. He’s a Turkish surgeon.

Praying surgery Will actually help him because It Will be so retarded paying such a Big amount of money and going though the post op pain for only a slight improvement

 

[Snicket]

don't agree with this statement tbh
a solid base makes looksmaxxing (hard- and/or softmaxxing) way easier

No. It’s the opposite. It becomes exponentially harder to move up the looks bell curve if your base is already good.

Surgeries are best at normalization and can’t trump natural growth.

The exact rotation and advancement of natural growth cannot be truly replicated through surgery.

e.g.: if you genuinely have severe recession, you can't be saved, as surgeons are limited in the amount of mm's they can move bones

LF2 is literally designed to deal with “severe recession”. That’s what these highly invasive surgeries were actually designed for after all.

 

[Joaquin]

don't agree with this statement tbh
a solid base makes looksmaxxing (hard- and/or softmaxxing) way easier
e.g.: if you genuinely have severe recession, you can't be saved, as surgeons are limited in the amount of mm's they can move bones

Random question but what if im mid to high mtn but capped at mtn because of my 0.9midface ratio and 1.7fWHR? I have gummy smile and long maxilla, Will lefort 1 with maxillary impaction shorten It?

 

[mightbecooked123]

Maybe. I understand that he wants to look better but surgery doesn’t provide linear improvements.

I don’t think many people here understand this point.

It’s far easier to go from ugly to normal than good looking to “Chad”.

LF2 was devised to correct a completely malformed midface; it’s not a chad affirming operation but a normalization procedure at its core.

I think the gain is marginal at best and for what?

its over for him

 

[Snicket]

its over for him

No, I think there might be a marginal improvement but it won’t make him a “Chad”.

In fact LF2 will likely fuck up his nose and he’ll need a rhino for it.

At least that’s my prediction.

I look forward to seeing the result in several months.

 

[mightbecooked123]

No, I think there might be a marginal improvement but it won’t make him a “Chad”.

In fact LF2 will likely fuck up his nose and he’ll need a rhino for it.

At least that’s my prediction and I look forward to seeing the result in several months.

Hes already got a tall nose bridge lf2 will completely fuck him over completely over for him jflll

 

[mikeperry271]

No. It’s the opposite. It becomes exponentially harder to move up the looks bell curve if your base is already good.

Surgeries are best at normalization and can’t trump natural growth.

any (anecdotal) evidence for this?
maybe an example?

In fact LF2 will likely fuck up his nose and he’ll need a rhino for it.

Hes already got a tall nose bridge lf2 will completely fuck him over completely over for him jflll

he already confirmed that he's getting rhino the next day after his lefort

 

[mightbecooked123]

any (anecdotal) evidence for this?
maybe an example?



he already confirmed that he's getting rhino the next day after his lefort

Rhino cant change nose bridge length lol wtf you ok ?

 

[superpsycho]

No, I think there might be a marginal improvement but it won’t make him a “Chad”.

In fact LF2 will likely fuck up his nose and he’ll need a rhino for it.

At least that’s my prediction.

I look forward to seeing the result in several months.

im mirin his dedication

he looks good as it is, lf2 is a pretty risky surgery ive heard

 

[mikeperry271]

View attachment 3622559 Rhino cant change nose bridge length lol wtf you ok ?

they absolutely can
google it

 

[Snicket]

any (anecdotal) evidence for this?
maybe an example?

Look at results online of high level LeForts and you’ll see that it’s principally a normalization surgery - even on non syndromics.

he already confirmed that he's getting rhino the next day after his lefort

Then he’s an idiot. It takes at least 12 months for swelling to fully dissipate after a simple bimax.

 

[mightbecooked123]

they absolutely can
google it

Ok but his nose and paranasal and mandibular length is already good ? LF2 makes absolutely 0 sense for him. Plus no it absolutely fucking cant ofc lol, his nose will be overally projected due to an insane paranasal in the post op which would need undoing afterwards to correct ie t he surgery is a massive fucking scam

 

[Snicket]

Ok but his nose and paranasal and mandibular length is already good ? LF2 makes absolutely 0 sense for him. Plus no it absolutely fucking cant ofc lol, his nose will be overally projected due to an insane paranasal in the post op which would need undoing afterwards to correct ie t he surgery is a massive fucking scam

I don’t think it’s a scam. I believe it’s more of a cautionary tale of be careful what you wish for.

Simply advancing and downgrafting the nasomaxillary area won’t make you good looking.

 

[mikeperry271]

Look at results online of high level LeForts and you’ll see that it’s principally a normalization surgery - even on non syndromes patients.

yeah actually in this case with the lefort 2 surgery I agree with you.
but in overall looksmaxxing, I think starting with a solid base is easier.

Then he’s an idiot. It takes at least 12 months for swelling to fully dissipate after a simple bimax.

everything's possible in turkey.

very interested in the results. I think this will also have great impact on this forum and the number of surgeries of members.
giant will have an even longer waiting list if the results are good

 

[mightbecooked123]

I don’t think it’s a scam. I believe it’s more of a cautionary tale of be careful what you wish for.

Simply advancing the nasomaxillary area won’t make you good looking.

No it just doesnt make sense in his case, clav is already ideally forwardly grown and doesnt need any type of jaw surgery.

What he does need is lefort 1 downgrafting of the maxilla + jaw width reduction + lip projection + lip lift + nasio fillers and rhino


BTW this is what @mugwump predicts will look like after surgery

And from what ive seen from private giant implants patient results he might even look worse tbh

Ive seen one of his lf3 results, it was absolutely brutal the fat pads of the face were demolished the poor guy become syndromic lol

 

[Snicket]

everything's possible in turkey.

That's part of the problem! It's not about what's possible.
It's about weighing risk vs reward and making a sensible decision that justifies the risks.

very interested in the results. I think this will also have great impact on this forum and the number of surgeries of members.
giant will have an even longer waiting list if the results are good

I'm interested too but more from a scientific perspective.

I believe Clavicular stands to lose more than he'll gain from this surgery but if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to put my hands up and admit it.

 

[Snicket]

No it just doesnt make sense in his case, clav is already ideally forwardly grown and doesnt need any type of jaw surgery.

I agree with you completely.

And from what ive seen from private giant implants patient results he might even look worse tbh

Ive seen one of his lf3 results, it was absolutely brutal the fat pads of the face were demolished the poor guy become syndromic lol

Can you DM me any results if you have them? I've only seen blurred out pics.

 

[NVM_Ignacio]