I cant sadly as I promise the people confidentiality but just trust me giant is a giant butcher the stuff hes done is genuinely prison time worthy. He has botched each and every single on of his cases and has ascended no one as far as im concerned
Can you elaborate on what the LF3 result was like then? Just describe it in a bit more detail.
can you maybe share details about what you mean with botches?
He wants to make mid whole midface longer
Were the eyes sunken in as well?
Its called a lefort 1 downgraft kid
yeah ofc there were 0 fat pads in his entire face in the after
A lot of the users here are 15. They wouldn't know the difference between a LF1 or LF2 if their lives depended on it.
No i mean, did the eyes look like they were sunken into their sockets?
damn man that sounds absolutely fucked
Lf1 downgraft lengthens the philtrum from what I’ve seen
Why would he even want to do that lol
What about reducing midface? Lefort 1 with maxillary impaction?
"This looks mog" - Clavicular, 2025 AD.Why would he even want to do that lol
Idk longer faces do look better imo but lf2 when it’s not deathtier short is crazy to me
I think that’s mainly for super gummy smiles like those British chav nonce horse face narrow face mf
Exactly
Really? I have a slight slight-mediuk gummy smile and long ass midface ...
For context It is 0.89 or 0.9, which is my biggest failo snd looks bad, I have a long philtrum so I Will get lip lift but I want to fix the underlying problem which is a long maxilla
If everything goes well he’ll def look better tho
I don’t know that much about ratios and shit just a little bit about bimax so I can’t really visualize your face with those numbers
My eyes are ideally set is just that my midface is long and only a lip lift wont make MUCH of a difference, I want a slightly shorter face
My width is fine
Long midface with good width mogs unless your Indian
Slightly long yes(like 0.96), not 0.89.
Dm me your face
Yes and even on some syndromatic patients(not that severe) the sometimes don't want to perform it, the insist on a safer cut, wich shows that it is not a safe surgery to toy around with, same applies to many surgeries, not just le fort2/3 in general.
Not always true, the only true ascension comes if a feature in the face is "severe", you are right and wrong at the same time, but mostly wrong about it, if you have everything normal, it's useless to get a surgery at all.
Exactly. Wish I could like this a hundred times.
Indeed, it may do more harm than good since a surgery like this on a non syndromatic guy is harmful for looks, we are talking about lf2, now imagine the non syndromatic people getting lf3.
Here's a non syndromic girl who got LF3. It does not turn you into a model, as you can see:
Something that people sadly forget about is the reality, not everything on paper turns out good on practice, it may sound good on paper but a different thing in reality wich leads to high expectations and underwhelming results
And that's the thing my bro, is that surgeries in reality aren't like on the paper, basically you would need to take into consideration everything.
Crucially, the girl was a candidate for this surgery.
if you frame it like this, I 100% agree
true
I mean, just put this question, why doesn't he perform in the US as much as in Europe?
Yes but I think what lots of users fail to understand is that no amount of advancement would have given her the facial projection of Margot Robbie.
I wanna come back to this point.
I mean putting it to the theory, le fort 2 downgraft it's not possible aloje anatomically, it takes one logic to know that it's impossible, something that many users here don't use their minds, so good remark.
Since surgeries were always meant to normalize rather than make halos, you'll risk a higher change of botch or if that doesn't happen, your ROI (return of interest) won't be worth it, basically a underwhelming result.
If you have average craniofacial development you're honestly better off getting some modest implants instead, such as jaw implants, infraorbital rims and maybe fat grafting if your soft tissue genetics are sub-par.
Exactly.
Yes. I think osteotomies are really for cases where there's clinical recession of the bone.
Basically as snicket said, if you are lacking in angularity, then a small conservative implant would be enough, suggesting a small one since you have in the example optimal craniofacial development wich i suppose the width of the jaw is also optimal, but if you do have angularity and mentally masturbate as clav, then that's not trying to improve and it is called mental illness, from that point it's just other factors and not just looks.
Forget osteotomies, literally an angular jaw would take a lot of average looking guys here to above average.
True, fully agree.
like what? attention?
Over. All malocclusions require surgery?
Depends on the severity and where the jaws are in relation to the skeletal base.
