Clavs design for bimax and implant with giant

Always new users saying this shit with no knowledge of who he is :feelstastyman:

I don't know enough to comment on the planning, neither do most of you in this thread.
I hope it goes well, and I'm keen to see good results from Giant that somebody is willing to share.
Yea i mean clav is not larper, he is authisticly honest
 
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I don’t know how her dental occlusion managed 99% of people can have this because their teeth dont permit so much ccw. Clav shouldnt gonion imp at all, glad he’s not lf2/supra which he 0% needed. Hoping for the best would be very encouraging to see a good result.
 
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I don’t know how her dental occlusion managed 99% of people can have this because their teeth dont permit so much ccw. Clav shouldnt gonion imp at all, glad he’s not lf2/supra which he 0% needed. Hoping for the best would be very encouraging to see a good result.
do you know to what extent braces in prep for bimax can steepen your occlusal plane and thus grant you more CCW?
 
do you know to what extent braces in prep for bimax can steepen your occlusal plane and thus grant you more CCW?
2-5 degrees is most typical, but you could maybe get more with TADs and other dental work. It’s super case by case and limited by your dental, periodontal, and skeletal constraints. Best candidates for ccw almost always have a steep plane already, so I don’t think they could get more than a few degrees of extra ccw rotation, especially when those patients usually have higher tmj risk.
 
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hard to tell. I dont think the bimax will ascend him very much. He is not a sfs type of ascension and for other people ive seen get bimax it was always pretty mid. Idk about the implants. They could make but also break him tbh. If he doesnt get botched anyway
I don't think they can "make" him because he's already good looking. At best the change will be neutral looking, maybe better in a subjective way
 
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2-5 degrees is most typical, but you could maybe get more with TADs and other dental work. It’s super case by case and limited by your dental, periodontal, and skeletal constraints. Best candidates for ccw almost always have a steep plane already, so I don’t think they could get more than a few degrees of extra ccw rotation, especially when those patients usually have higher tmj risk.
fucckjjk it’s because i have a gummy smile/vme that literally pushes my front upper teeth so far down, combined with my lip incompetence i literally look like a redneck mole rat rodent kind of creature. the gummy smile itself is like 1/2in of gum. :feelswhy::feelswhy:

am i just completely sol due to camouflage braces then? but i swear most ppl who get bimax (which usually comes with ccw) have had braces in the past. i might be misremembering though.
 
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😹😹😹, I wonder where hes gonna find doctors to perform this , it’s gon mess his nerves even if it goes through his ratios and front profile not gon change a lot ( jokes aside he is not doing it im 100% sure )
 
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fucckjjk it’s because i have a gummy smile/vme that literally pushes my front upper teeth so far down, combined with my lip incompetence i literally look like a redneck mole rat rodent kind of creature. the gummy smile itself is like 1/2in of gum. :feelswhy::feelswhy:

am i just completely sol due to camouflage braces then? but i swear most ppl who get bimax (which usually comes with ccw) have had braces in the past. i might be misremembering though.
Actual gummy smile can be fixed with impaction, actually removing part of the maxillary excess, and yes all bimax patients will need braces. Don’t worry about ccw, vme cases can get so much advancement that their mandible just slides forward, still allowing for ccw (the video shows that). It kinda results in a steep/rounded gonial angle but doesn’t matter too much and gonial implants + step off piece clav has it just full implant would be interesting (tan guy’s step off pretty obvious). Dr. Alfaro has some YouTube videos that have some good no-implants results, but if your profile is more like the girl attached then it’s a different story. Inverted-L would unironically be an option for her profile.
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You guys are acting like it's a fucking neoplasia neurosurgery. Bimax and implants are routine things in 2025, he will do it and ascend even futher while you rot on tiktok
 
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True idk why these niggers are coping / self projecting ooo "he aint getting surgery" man like not everyone rots here and don't do anything to ascend these people are so fking done and don't wanna see people do things to actually ascend jfl while I saw in other clav said he already 8.5 k for the implants production jfl at these coping self hating niggers.
You guys are acting like it's a fucking neoplasia neurosurgery. Bimax and implants are routine things in 2025, he will do it and ascend even futher while you rot on tiktok
 
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You guys are acting like it's a fucking neoplasia neurosurgery. Bimax and implants are routine things in 2025, he will do it and ascend even futher while you rot on tiktok
Just a haircut bro
 
You haf bimax and implants ?
Just the bimax, exactly like his simulation with the downgraft. Implants coming in october.
The only thing I would advise against is lengthening Clav's chin... I'd just improve the projection but I could be wrong, time will tell
 
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I hope Clav daddy ascend I want roundabout reassurance for the authenticity of OBO with Giant
 
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There is no way you believe recovering from a knee injury is worse than a bimax :lul:
It's not believing, I experienced it, it's not even close lmao. 1 month recovery vs 6 months of PT, pain and depression
 
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It's not believing, I experienced it, it's not even close lmao. 1 month recovery vs 6 months of PT, pain and depression
You got lucky. Most people take months to recover from the nerve damage, numbness, the changes in their bite, tmj tension/discomfort, facial stiffness, speech changes, muscles tension and the list goes on. I experienced/still experiencing all of these and I'm 5 months PO. It's also very mentally taxing to go through months of inflammation, swelling and soft tissue sagging. Months of anxiety and body dysmorphia. But yeah bimax and implants are a "routine thing in 2025" :lul:
 
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You got lucky. Most people take months to recover from the nerve damage, numbness, the changes in their bite, tmj tension/discomfort, facial stiffness, speech changes, muscles tension and the list goes on. I experienced/still experiencing all of these and I'm 5 months PO. It's also very mentally taxing to go through months of inflammation, swelling and soft tissue sagging. Months of anxiety and body dysmorphia. But yeah bimax and implants are a "routine thing in 2025" :lul:
Agreed same, 6 months post op, also had implants aswell
 
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Hope this mf gets botched
 
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I hope Clav daddy ascend I want roundabout reassurance for the authenticity of OBO with Giant
Giant scams insecure indians teens by unconsciously manipulating them into coming to him for surgery when they become adults, how can you admire such a person lol
 
Agreed same, 6 months post op, also had implants aswell
You got it done with Ramieri right? I think I saw you mentioning it in a post. There is so many larpers on this forum that some people have started to normalize getting a bimax when it actually might be one of the most challenging surgeries there is.

Also if you don't mind sharing your results in DMs I'd appreciate it
 
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You got it done with Ramieri right? I think I saw you mentioning it in a post. There is so many larpers on this forum that some people have started to normalize getting a bimax when it actually might be one of the most challenging surgeries there is.

Also if you don't mind sharing your results in DMs I'd appreciate it
Yea, its def challenging, ofc it depends on person to person. But yea for me it has been rough, even though its managable. But ortho after has been brutal, even though i had braces before like four years. But this time its worse. Yea might be able to share in dm lol
 
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Yea, its def challenging, ofc it depends on person to person. But yea for me it has been rough, even though its managable. But ortho after has been brutal, even though i had braces before like four years. But this time its worse. Yea might be able to share in dm lol
Same, my teeth were 10 times more sensitive after the surgery it hurt like hell for the first few weeks. And shoot me a dm please I can't access your profile
 
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You got lucky. Most people take months to recover from the nerve damage, numbness, the changes in their bite, tmj tension/discomfort, facial stiffness, speech changes, muscles tension and the list goes on. I experienced/still experiencing all of these and I'm 5 months PO. It's also very mentally taxing to go through months of inflammation, swelling and soft tissue sagging. Months of anxiety and body dysmorphia. But yeah bimax and implants are a "routine thing in 2025" :lul:
Dude I know plenty of people who had the surgery personally, all of them had no problem with numbness, tmj or discomfort.
Just not have it done in the third world

This is the average bimax recovery
 
You got it done with Ramieri right? I think I saw you mentioning it in a post. There is so many larpers on this forum that some people have started to normalize getting a bimax when it actually might be one of the most challenging surgeries there is.

Also if you don't mind sharing your results in DMs I'd appreciate it
You have no clue what you're talking about
 
Dude I know plenty of people who had the surgery personally, all of them had no problem with numbness, tmj or discomfort.
Just not have it done in the third world

This is the average bimax recovery
You are def lying, all have some numbness, tmj remodeling. I know plenty of people who have worse that went with pag, and other more famous surgeons in the us. No ramieri cases but i went to ramieri and i have numbness and some problems. Its inevitable almost. Not def if you do implants etc at the same time. Actually there are incredibly many botches out there from surgeons out of turkey and fron so called blackpilled surgeons outside
 
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You have no clue what you're talking about
He is stupid here because there are so many botches its incredible. Extremly many from bimax and even many from misplacements of implants from both ram and pag, and many other surgeons . Like its funny how delusional people on this site can be. Just because people dont post here about it, obv because no one would feel sry for them
 
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You are def lying, all have some numbness, tmj remodeling. I know plenty of people who have worse that went with pag, and other more famous surgeons in the us. No ramieri cases but i went to ramieri and i have numbness and some problems. Its inevitable almost. Not def if you do implants etc at the same time. Actually there are incredibly many botches out there from surgeons out of turkey and fron so called blackpilled surgeons outside
are it just numbness problems or something that could have prevented
 
are it just numbness problems or something that could have prevented
Hard to tell, but everything went well and he said it himself but still there are some small things that didnt go as planned
 
You are def lying, all have some numbness, tmj remodeling. I know plenty of people who have worse that went with pag, and other more famous surgeons in the us. No ramieri cases but i went to ramieri and i have numbness and some problems. Its inevitable almost. Not def if you do implants etc at the same time. Actually there are incredibly many botches out there from surgeons out of turkey and fron so called blackpilled surgeons outside
Not me or my friends had any of that, why would I lie lol
 
can u name them
i could name them in pm, because its rather small problems but still there are some problems. But i knew many who have worse problems. And people on this forum saying its rare is delusional
 
You have no clue what you're talking about
How's that ? All I'm saying is so many larpers like you have made it sound like it's a walk in a park. You have not had bimax surgery, otherwise you would know how brutal the recovery is

Dude I know plenty of people who had the surgery personally, all of them had no problem with numbness, tmj or discomfort.
Just not have it done in the third world
Yeah you just so happen to know multiple people who had the surgery, meanwhile I don't even think a single person I know knows what a bimax is. Stop lying or send a before/after
 
How's that ? All I'm saying is so many larpers like you have made it sound like it's a walk in a park. You have not had bimax surgery, otherwise you would know how brutal the recovery is


Yeah you just so happen to know multiple people who had the surgery, meanwhile I don't even think a single person I know knows what a bimax is. Stop lying or send a before/after
Come in pm and yes I know tens of people who had the surgery IRL lol, girls even
 
brah get obo and genio in one go
Yea that’s the latest plan. OBO + Implants + Genio all in one. I asked RSM about it and he said it’s possible
 
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Why are the gonion as wide as the zygos… at least at first glance. Well, as long as they arent wider i guess.
 
How's that ? All I'm saying is so many larpers like you have made it sound like it's a walk in a park. You have not had bimax surgery, otherwise you would know how brutal the recovery is

Yeah you just so happen to know multiple people who had the surgery, meanwhile I don't even think a single person I know knows what a bimax is. Stop lying or send a before/after
Yes. For an average bimax there's roughly like a 10% chance of some degree of permanent numbness. Permanent, as in, it never goes away for the rest of your fucking life. I have permanent (seemingly since it's been years) numbness from a chin wing which is a much gentler procedure and know quite a bit about the topic in general and have spoken with different max facs about it.

I don't know the figures for other long term complications but just remember on this forum we're not talking about an average bimax. Here it's normalized to have a bimax with much more aggressive movements (=more strain on the nerves being pulled) and one with multiple implants inserted at the same time (=more trauma for your body to heal with at the same time). For example, a person who consulted with Pagnoni recently on Reddit said Pagnoni told him that doing implants at the same time as bimax is an increased risk of the implants being infected. Implants getting infected is no joke, it can eat away at soft tissue and cause permanent very visible damage, I've seen a couple of bad cases here.

People definitely downplay the risks of surgery here in general. Even Giant said everyone thinks complications won't happen to them and then when it does they're shocked and can't believe it.

The last thing to bear in mind is, if you have a LTN incel who gets the "mog special" bimax with full implants and ascends up to strong MTN, the change in his life compensates a lot for the minor things like the infraorb implants being a bit visible from certain angles/lighting or a permanent patch of numbness on the chin. But if you're a strong HTN bordering on CL, things like that may bother you a lot more, especially if the surgery doesn't ascend you any further.
 
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He has a very short nose; it will look completely disproportionate to the jaw, and there's a high chance his nose will end up looking like a pig's.
Yes the nose phil area is sketch
 

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