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also if possible do her bodycount too if shes most likely is a stacylite doubt she would be virgin
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I am so sorry.
She’s not a stacylite. I glossed over the 7th house of d9 and looked at other parts
I knew I fucked up
Re-evaluated Appearance Based on Combined Influences:
Height:
• Likely of average height, influenced by the presence of Venus and Mars in Gemini, which tends to be more medium-built.
Body Type:
• Sturdy and Athletic: Initially fit and well-toned due to Mars’s influence but may trend towards heaviness or less defined muscle tone as they age, given Saturn’s restrictive nature.
• Overall Physique: Could be athletic in youth but requires discipline to maintain as they age.
Hair:
• Thick and Possibly Receding: Thick hair in youth (Mars in Taurus influence) but prone to thinning or receding as they age (Saturn influence).
Eyes:
• Intense and Expressive: Deep, intense eyes reflecting emotional depth and possibly a penetrating gaze (Pluto influence).
• Large and Expressive: The Moon’s placement adds to the expressiveness of the eyes.
Skin Tone and Collagen:
• Fair to Medium with Sensitivity: Likely to have fair to medium skin tone that might be sensitive and prone to showing signs of aging earlier due to Saturn’s influence.
• Aging Appearance: Could appear older than their peers due to Saturn’s effect on collagen.
Facial Features:
• Jawline and Bone Structure: Likely to have a well-defined jawline and high cheekbones but with a gaunt or lean look due to Saturn’s influence.
• Unique and Striking: Features that are unique and potentially striking but not traditionally harmonious or universally appealing (Pluto’s influence).
Revised PSL Rating:
Based on the astrological influences, here is the revised rating:
Final PSL Rating:
• Facial Features: 3.5 to 4.0 (Below average to average).
• Overall Appearance: 3.5 to 4.0 on the PSL scale, indicating they fall into the below-average to average attractiveness range. This rating considers the intensity and maturity brought by Pluto and Saturn, which might detract from a youthful or conventionally attractive appearance.
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I wanted to reach out regarding the astrological reading I provided earlier. After a more thorough review, I realized I initially overlooked some important aspects, particularly the influences of Pluto and Saturn in the 7th house of your D9 chart.
I apologize for any confusion or disappointment this may have caused. Here’s a more detailed and accurate assessment:
Re-evaluated Insights:
• Height and Body Type: Likely average to slightly above average height, with a fit but potentially heavier build if not maintained.
• Facial Features: Expressive eyes, a well-defined jawline, but possibly a more mature or stern appearance due to Saturn’s influence.
• Hair and Skin: Thick hair that might thin with age, fair to medium skin that is sensitive.
Revised PSL Rating: 3.5 to 4.0 (Below Average to Average)
This rating takes into account the significant influences of Pluto and Saturn, which introduce maturity and intensity, balancing the initial positive aspects from Venus and Mars.
Personality Traits:
Positive Traits:
• Intelligent and Communicative: With Mercury in Gemini, she is likely very articulate and enjoys engaging in thoughtful conversations.
• Compassionate and Caring: Venus in Cancer suggests a nurturing and empathetic nature, making her a loving partner.
• Disciplined and Responsible: Saturn’s influence indicates she is reliable, with a strong sense of duty and discipline.
• Adaptable and Versatile: The Gemini influence makes her adaptable and open to new experiences, adding excitement to the relationship.
Negative Traits:
• Overly Critical or Serious: Saturn’s presence can sometimes make her appear overly critical or serious, which might affect her expressions.
• Emotionally Intense: Pluto’s influence can bring emotional depth, but also intensity that might be overwhelming at times.
• Reserved or Introverted: With strong Saturn influences, she might be more reserved or introverted, preferring quiet time over social gatherings.
• Tendency to Worry: The Virgo influence might make her prone to worrying or overthinking, which can affect her mood.
While this reassessment may be different from the initial reading, I want to emphasize that attractiveness is multifaceted. Qualities such as charm, intelligence, and personality play crucial roles in a relationship, often surpassing physical appearance.
Again, I apologize for any inconvenience and hope this revised reading provides a clearer understanding. Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions or need further clarification.
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Facial Harmony and Individual Features
1. Facial Harmony:
• Lack of Symmetry: The influence of Saturn and Pluto in the 7th house can result in a less symmetrical face. This asymmetry can affect the overall harmony and balance of her features.
• Harsh Features: Saturn’s influence often lends to more angular and harsh features, which might not conform to conventional beauty standards.
2. Individual Features:
• Eyes: While large and expressive eyes are usually attractive, the presence of Pluto can make them appear overly intense or somewhat brooding, which might be off-putting to some.
• Nose: Saturn can give a more prominent, perhaps slightly bulbous nose that lacks the refined structure typically associated with higher PSL ratings.
• Lips: Her lips might be thin or uneven, influenced by Saturn, which can detract from the overall attractiveness of her face.
• Skin: Saturn’s presence often results in skin that is prone to dryness or uneven texture. She might have a complexion that looks more aged or tired, with potential for fine lines and blemishes.
Effects of Aging
1. Premature Aging:
• Fine Lines and Wrinkles: Due to Saturn’s influence, her skin might age faster, showing signs of fine lines and wrinkles earlier than average.
• Loss of Elasticity: The skin might lose its youthful elasticity quicker, resulting in a more aged appearance even when she is relatively young.
2. General Appearance:
• Mature Look: She might look older than her actual age due to the stern and serious influence of Saturn. This can give her a more mature and less youthful appearance.
• Jawline: Instead of a chiseled jawline, she might have a softer or less defined jaw, contributing to an overall less striking profile.
1. Facial Harmony:
• Lack of Symmetry: The influence of Saturn and Pluto in the 7th house can result in a less symmetrical face. This asymmetry can affect the overall harmony and balance of her features.
• Harsh Features: Saturn’s influence often lends to more angular and harsh features, which might not conform to conventional beauty standards.
2. Individual Features:
• Eyes: While large and expressive eyes are usually attractive, the presence of Pluto can make them appear overly intense or somewhat brooding, which might be off-putting to some.
• Nose: Saturn can give a more prominent, perhaps slightly bulbous nose that lacks the refined structure typically associated with higher PSL ratings.
• Lips: Her lips might be thin or uneven, influenced by Saturn, which can detract from the overall attractiveness of her face.
• Skin: Saturn’s presence often results in skin that is prone to dryness or uneven texture. She might have a complexion that looks more aged or tired, with potential for fine lines and blemishes.
Effects of Aging
1. Premature Aging:
• Fine Lines and Wrinkles: Due to Saturn’s influence, her skin might age faster, showing signs of fine lines and wrinkles earlier than average.
• Loss of Elasticity: The skin might lose its youthful elasticity quicker, resulting in a more aged appearance even when she is relatively young.
2. General Appearance:
• Mature Look: She might look older than her actual age due to the stern and serious influence of Saturn. This can give her a more mature and less youthful appearance.
• Jawline: Instead of a chiseled jawline, she might have a softer or less defined jaw, contributing to an overall less striking profile.
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The main reasoning for the significant drop from Stacylite to LTB (below average) in attractiveness for Jack’s spouse lies primarily in the influence of Saturn and Pluto in the 7th house of the D9 chart. These planets can introduce several key factors that negatively impact physical appearance:
Influence of Saturn and Pluto in the 7th House (D9)
1. Saturn’s Influence:
• Harsh and Angular Features: Saturn tends to create more angular and harsh facial features, which can detract from the conventional beauty standards that favor softer, more harmonious features.
• Premature Aging: Saturn’s presence is associated with early signs of aging, such as fine lines, wrinkles, and a general loss of skin elasticity. This results in a more mature appearance at a younger age.
• Dry and Uneven Skin: Saturn can cause the skin to appear dry, with an uneven texture, which further impacts the overall attractiveness.
2. Pluto’s Influence:
• Intense and Brooding Features: Pluto often gives an intense, sometimes brooding look. While this can be captivating, it may not align with traditional notions of attractiveness that favor a more approachable and softer appearance.
• Emotional Depth in Features: The emotional intensity associated with Pluto can manifest in facial features, making expressions seem overly intense or severe.
Specific Facial and Physical Features
1. Lack of Symmetry:
• Facial Asymmetry: The combination of these planets can result in a face that lacks the symmetrical balance often associated with higher attractiveness ratings.
2. Individual Features:
• Eyes: Instead of large, expressive eyes that are universally attractive, Pluto can make the eyes appear intense, which might be perceived as too severe or intimidating.
• Nose: Saturn can result in a more prominent, less refined nose shape, which might detract from overall facial harmony.
• Lips: Thin or uneven lips are common with Saturn’s influence, reducing the fullness typically associated with attractiveness.
• Jawline: A softer, less defined jawline is likely, contributing to a less striking profile.
Aging Effects
1. Premature Aging:
• Early Signs of Aging: Fine lines, wrinkles, and a loss of youthful skin elasticity are associated with Saturn’s influence, making her appear older than her actual age.
2. Mature Appearance:
• Older Look: The stern and serious demeanor imparted by Saturn can make her appear more mature and less youthful, which is a key factor in attractiveness ratings.
Overall Drop in Rating
1. From Stacylite to LTB:
• Stacylite (5.0-6.0 PSL): Indicates a high level of attractiveness, with features that align well with conventional beauty standards, often found in the 95th percentile.
• LTB (3.5-4.0 PSL): Represents below-average attractiveness, where the features are less aligned with conventional beauty standards, leading to a rating in the lower percentiles.
2. Critical Aspects:
• Harsh Features and Premature Aging: These factors are significant enough to reduce her attractiveness rating drastically.
• Lack of Harmony and Symmetry: The lack of facial harmony and the presence of asymmetrical features further contribute to the lower rating.
Conclusion
The substantial drop from Stacylite to LTB is primarily due to the harsh and aging effects of Saturn and Pluto in the 7th house of the D9 chart. These influences create a set of facial and physical features that are less aligned with conventional beauty standards, leading to a lower overall attractiveness rating.
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| Planets | Sign | Sign Lord | Distance | Nakshatra | Nakshatra Lord | Navamsha Sign |
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| Ascendant | Virgo | Mercury | 15°14'24'' | Hasta | Moon | Taurus |
| Sun | Scorpio | Mars | 27°58'52'' | Jyestha | Mercury | Pisces |
| Moon | Taurus | Venus | 6°3'58'' | Krittika | Sun | Aquarius |
| Mars | Aries | Mars | 14°23'4'' | Bharani | Venus | Leo |
| Mercury | Scorpio | Mars | 7°3'44'' | Anuradha | Saturn | Virgo |
| Jupiter | Libra | Venus | 16°10'28'' | Swati | Rahu | Aquarius |
| Venus | Capricorn | Saturn | 5°24'45'' | Uttara Asadha | Sun | Aquarius |
| Saturn(R) | Cancer | Moon | 16°56'43'' | Ashlesa | Mercury | Sagittarius |
| Rahu(R) | Pisces | Jupiter | 16°1'5'' | Uttara Bhadrapada | Saturn | Scorpio |
| Ketu(R) | Virgo | Mercury | 16°1'5'' | Hasta | Moon | Taurus |
| Uranus | Aquarius | Saturn | 13°13'56'' | Shatabhisha | Rahu | Capricorn |
| Neptune | Capricorn | Saturn | 21°30'40'' | Shravana | Moon | Cancer |
| Pluto | Sagittarius | Jupiter | 0°16'29'' | Mula | Ketu | Aries |
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Wtf you didn't give me such a thorough summary, also dating history, virginity, body count?
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Appearance Assessment:
- Face Attractiveness:
- Venus Darakaraka: Venus as the Darakaraka does typically suggest attractiveness and charm. In Capricorn (D1) and Aquarius (D9), this can translate to a unique and unconventional beauty.
- Aspects:
- Positive Aspects:
- Moon Conjunction Venus and Jupiter (D1): This is a strong indicator of facial beauty, adding harmony and pleasantness to features.
- Sun Trine Neptune (D1): Adds a compassionate and empathetic aura, which can enhance attractiveness.
- Challenging Aspects:
- Venus Square Ascendant (D1): Can create challenges in conventional attractiveness, leading to features that might not be universally appealing.
- Positive Aspects:
- Facial Soft Tissue and Bone Structure:
- D1 Mars in Aries: Suggests a strong and well-defined bone structure.
- D9 Saturn in Sagittarius: Adds maturity and seriousness, which can sometimes detract from a youthful or delicate look.
- Hair:
- Likely to have thick, strong hair, potentially dark brown to black. However, there may be a tendency for changes in hair quality with age due to Saturn's influence.
- Collagen and Age Appearance Relative to Age:
- D1 Moon in Taurus: Generally good skin quality, maintaining a youthful appearance longer.
- D9 Saturn in Sagittarius: Could age faster, giving a mature look early on.
- Body Type:
- Athletic and muscular build, fit and toned due to Mars in Aries (D1) and Mars in Leo (D9).
Overall Attractiveness:
Considering the Venus Darakaraka and the aspects:- Facial Features:
- Average to slightly above-average attractiveness, with unique and unconventional elements.
- PSL Rating: 4.0 - 4.5: This places her in the high-tier normie (HTN) range, which is above average but not at the supermodel or high-tier influencer level.
Final Thoughts:
- Strengths:
- Venus Darakaraka: Adds charm and a pleasant appearance.
- Positive Aspects: Enhance facial attractiveness and harmonious features.
- Athletic Build: Adds to physical appeal with a fit and toned body.
- Challenges:
- Saturn's Influence: Adds maturity and seriousness, which can detract from youthful beauty.
- Square Aspects: Create challenges in achieving conventional beauty standards.
Honest Summary:
Given the detailed analysis and considering the Venus Darakaraka:- FBI's future spouse is likely to be attractive in a unique and distinctive way. She may not fit the high-end model standards but has an appealing and charming appearance.
- Her attractiveness rating is honest and balanced, reflecting both strengths and challenges indicated by the chart.
Detailed Analysis of Factors Influencing Attractiveness
- Positive Influences:
- Venus Darakaraka:
- Venus as the Darakaraka in Capricorn (D1) and Aquarius (D9) suggests a naturally charming and pleasant appearance.
- Venus conjunct Moon and Jupiter (D1) enhances facial attractiveness and brings harmony to the features.
- Venus Darakaraka:
- Challenging Influences:
- Square Aspects:
- Venus Square Ascendant: This aspect can create some challenges in achieving conventional beauty standards. It might lead to features that are unique but not universally appealing.
- Moon Square Saturn: Can add a serious or stern look, which may detract from a more youthful or delicate appearance.
- Square Aspects:
- Saturn's Influence:
- Saturn in 8th House (D9):
- Adds a level of maturity and seriousness to the appearance, which can make the features appear more aged or less delicate.
- The presence of Saturn can also introduce a tendency for the skin to age faster, potentially leading to a less youthful appearance over time.
- Saturn in 8th House (D9):
- Lack of Strong Venus/Moon Aspects in D9:
- While Venus is strong in D1, the lack of similarly strong, supportive aspects in D9 can limit the extent of attractiveness. The D9 chart is crucial for understanding long-term partnership and beauty, and here, the aspects are more mixed.
- Mars and Saturn Influences on Bone Structure:
- Mars in Aries (D1) and Mars in Leo (D9):
- Suggests a strong and well-defined bone structure, which can be attractive but may also lend a more rugged appearance.
- Saturn's Placement:
- Adds maturity and can sometimes make features appear more austere or stern.
- Mars in Aries (D1) and Mars in Leo (D9):
- Overall Facial Harmony:
- The combination of these factors creates a balance of attractive and challenging features, resulting in an overall appearance that is average to slightly above average.
Summary
Key Factors Keeping Her from Being Above Average or Higher:- Challenging Aspects: Venus square Ascendant and Moon square Saturn introduce elements that detract from achieving universally appealing features.
- Saturn's Influence: Adds maturity and seriousness, which can make the appearance seem more aged or less youthful.
- Mixed Support in D9: Lack of strong Venus and Moon aspects in the D9 chart, which are crucial for long-term attractiveness in partnerships.
- PSL Rating: 4.0 - 4.5
- Reflects a high-tier normie (HTN) level, which is above average but not at the high-tier influencer or supermodel level.
- Natural charm and pleasant appearance from Venus Darakaraka.
- Harmonious features from positive aspects in D1.
- Stern or serious look due to Saturn's influence.
- Unique but not universally appealing features from challenging aspects.
Explanation of Malefic Influences in FBI's Spouse's Chart
In Vedic astrology, certain planets and aspects are considered malefic, which can create challenges or bring certain difficulties. Here's a detailed breakdown of the malefic influences and how they impact the appearance and overall attractiveness of FBI's spouse:- Saturn:
- D1 Chart:
- Saturn in Cancer (H11):
- Saturn's placement in Cancer can create a more reserved and serious demeanor, impacting the overall warmth and approachability of the spouse's appearance.
- Moon Square Saturn: This aspect can add a stern look to the facial features, making the spouse appear more serious or aged. It can also contribute to a lack of softness or youthful appeal.
- Saturn in Cancer (H11):
- D9 Chart:
- Saturn in Sagittarius (H8):
- Adds maturity and a potentially austere look. This can lead to a more rugged or less delicate appearance.
- Saturn in Sagittarius (H8):
- D1 Chart:
- Mars:
- D1 Chart:
- Mars in Aries (H8):
- Mars in its own sign can indicate strong and well-defined features. While this can be attractive, it can also create a more rugged and less refined look.
- Sun Conjunct Mars: Adds energy and vitality to the appearance but can also create a more intense or aggressive look.
- Mars in Aries (H8):
- D9 Chart:
- Mars in Leo (H4):
- Suggests a strong and dynamic presence. This placement can add to physical fitness but may also contribute to a more imposing or less approachable appearance.
- Mars in Leo (H4):
- D1 Chart:
- Rahu and Ketu:
- D1 Chart:
- Rahu in Pisces (H7) and Ketu in Virgo (H1):
- Rahu in the 7th house can bring unconventional or unique features, which might not align with traditional beauty standards.
- Ketu in the 1st house can make the overall appearance more mystical or less grounded in conventional attractiveness.
- Rahu in Pisces (H7) and Ketu in Virgo (H1):
- D9 Chart:
- Rahu in Capricorn (H5) and Ketu in Cancer (H11):
- These placements can introduce an element of unpredictability and fluctuation in appearance, potentially leading to features that are less harmonious.
- Rahu in Capricorn (H5) and Ketu in Cancer (H11):
- D1 Chart:
- Square Aspects:
- Venus Square Ascendant(D1):
- Creates challenges in achieving a conventionally attractive appearance. This aspect can lead to unique features that might not be universally appealing.
- Moon Square Saturn(D1):
- Adds a stern or aged look, which can detract from youthful attractiveness.
- Venus Square Neptune(D9):
- Can introduce an element of illusion or confusion about the spouse's appearance, making it less consistent or reliable.
- Venus Square Ascendant(D1):
Summary of Malefic Influences
Key Malefic Influences:- Saturn:
- Adds maturity and seriousness, which can detract from youthful or delicate features.
- Creates a stern or aged look through aspects with the Moon and other planets.
- Mars:
- Contributes to a strong, well-defined, and potentially rugged appearance.
- Adds intensity and potentially an aggressive look through conjunctions and placements.
- Rahu and Ketu:
- Introduce unconventional and unique features that might not align with traditional beauty standards.
- Create unpredictability and fluctuation in appearance.
- Square Aspects:
- Venus square Ascendant and Moon square Saturn create challenges in achieving harmonious and universally appealing features.
- Venus square Neptune in D9 can make the appearance less consistent.
Final Assessment
Attractiveness Rating:- PSL Rating: 4.0 - 4.5:
- Reflects a high-tier normie (HTN) level, which is above average but not at the high-tier influencer or supermodel level.
- Natural charm and pleasant appearance from Venus Darakaraka.
- Harmonious features from positive aspects in D1.
- Stern or serious look due to Saturn's influence.
- Unique but not universally appealing features from challenging aspects.
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Analysis:
D1 Chart:
- Ascendant (Moon) in D1:
- Moon in the Ascendant often indicates a spouse with a nurturing, caring nature. Physically, Moon-ruled individuals can have a pleasing appearance, but the overall influence of malefics needs to be considered.
- 10th House (Sun, Mars):
- Sun and Mars in the 10th house can indicate a spouse with a strong personality and a possibly athletic build. However, these placements can also bring a certain harshness or ruggedness to the appearance, detracting from delicate features.
- 6th House (Saturn):
- Saturn in the 6th house might indicate a disciplined, possibly lean physique but can also bring a more serious or stern look to the face.
- 11th House (Mercury, Jupiter, Rahu):
- Mercury and Jupiter can provide some balance, indicating a spouse who is intellectually inclined and possibly has pleasant features. However, Rahu's influence can add an unconventional or striking quality that may not always align with traditional beauty standards.
- 12th House (Venus):
- Venus in the 12th house can suggest a hidden charm or beauty that is not immediately apparent. This placement often indicates someone who is attractive but might have some hidden insecurities or unconventional beauty traits.
D9 Chart:
- 2nd House (Venus):
- Venus in the 2nd house of the D9 chart suggests a spouse who is likely to have pleasant facial features and a harmonious appearance.
- 3rd House (Saturn, Ketu):
- Saturn and Ketu in the 3rd house might introduce some austerity or a unique, possibly less conventional aspect to their looks.
- 11th House (Moon):
- Moon in the 11th house can enhance the spouse's social charm and appeal, making them more likable and pleasant in appearance.
- 10th House (Mars):
- Mars in the 10th house in D9 suggests a strong, possibly athletic build, similar to the D1 chart.
Summary:
Physical Appearance:
- Height:
- Likely to be of average height due to the balanced influences of Moon and Mercury.
- Body Type:
- Athletic and lean, influenced by Mars and Saturn.
- Facial Features:
- Venus in the 12th house in D1 and 2nd house in D9 suggests pleasant facial features but not strikingly beautiful. Rahu's influence might add some unconventional traits.
- Hair, Eye, and Skin Colour:
- Hair: Possibly dark or medium brown.
- Eyes: Likely to be expressive, influenced by the Moon.
- Skin: Medium to fair, with potential for some sensitivity or minor imperfections due to the Moon and Venus influence.
Attractiveness:
- PSL Rating:
- Based on the above analysis, the spouse is likely to be in the average to slightly below-average range, around 3.5 to 4.0. This places them as an LTB (Low Tier Becky) with some unique features influenced by Rahu and Ketu.
Conclusion:
The spouse of ItsOver is likely to have an average appearance with some unique or unconventional traits. While they may not fit the traditional beauty standards, they have a distinct charm and appeal influenced by the Moon and Venus. The overall rating of 3.5 to 4.0 reflects a balanced and honest assessment based on the astrological influences present in the charts.---
Reasons for Below Average Attractiveness:
D1 Chart:
- Ascendant (Moon):
- While Moon in the Ascendant can bring a nurturing nature, it can also introduce a roundness or softness to the facial features that might not align with conventional beauty standards. Moon in H1 can sometimes indicate a fluctuating appearance, which may affect consistent attractiveness.
- 10th House (Sun, Mars):
- Sun and Mars in the 10th house can make the spouse appear strong and assertive, which might introduce a ruggedness or harshness to their looks. This placement can sometimes result in a more masculine or athletic build, which might detract from traditionally feminine attractiveness.
- 6th House (Saturn):
- Saturn in the 6th house can bring a stern, serious expression, which may affect the perceived softness or delicateness of the face. Saturn's influence often results in a lean, possibly gaunt appearance, detracting from a more balanced and harmonious look.
- 11th House (Mercury, Jupiter, Rahu):
- Rahu's presence can introduce unconventional or striking features that might not be universally appealing. Rahu can distort traditional beauty norms, leading to features that are unique but not necessarily attractive by conventional standards.
- 12th House (Venus):
- Venus in the 12th house suggests hidden beauty, which means the spouse may have attractive qualities that are not immediately noticeable. However, this placement often indicates insecurity or features that are not traditionally attractive.
D9 Chart:
- 2nd House (Venus):
- Venus in the 2nd house generally suggests pleasant facial features, but its position alone is not enough to elevate the attractiveness significantly, especially considering other challenging aspects.
- 3rd House (Saturn, Ketu):
- Saturn and Ketu together can indicate a more austere, serious appearance. Ketu can bring a detached, unconventional look that might not align with conventional beauty standards.
- 10th House (Mars):
- Mars in the 10th house suggests a strong, possibly athletic build, similar to the D1 chart. This placement can lead to a more rugged or masculine appearance, which might detract from a traditionally feminine look.
- 11th House (Moon):
- While Moon in the 11th house can enhance social charm, it might not significantly impact physical attractiveness, especially when other factors indicate a less favorable appearance.
Detailed Reasons for Below Average Rating:
- Facial Softness and Symmetry:
- The presence of malefic planets like Mars and Saturn suggests a lack of softness and symmetry in facial features. The ruggedness and sternness introduced by these planets can detract from a conventionally attractive appearance.
- Skin Quality:
- Saturn’s influence can lead to dry or less vibrant skin. Combined with the Moon’s fluctuation, the skin might appear uneven or less smooth.
- Overall Facial Harmony:
- The combination of malefic influences (Sun, Mars, Saturn) can result in a face that lacks the harmony and balance typically associated with higher attractiveness ratings. Features might be more pronounced or angular, detracting from a harmonious look.
- Unconventional Features:
- Rahu's influence often brings unique or striking features that might not conform to traditional standards of beauty. This can include asymmetry or unusual facial characteristics.
- Body Type:
- The strong influence of Mars suggests an athletic build, which, while appealing to some, might not align with the softer, curvier body type often associated with higher attractiveness ratings in women.
Conclusion:
The spouse of ItsOver, based on the astrological analysis, is likely to have a combination of features that result in a below-average appearance. The significant influence of malefic planets like Mars and Saturn introduces ruggedness, sternness, and unconventional traits that detract from traditional beauty standards. The overall rating of 3.5 to 4.0 reflects these challenges, placing the spouse in the Low Tier Becky (LTB) category.--
Factors to Consider:
- Saturn's Influence:
- Saturn in the 6th house (D1) and 3rd house (D9) suggests maturity and responsibility. Saturn often indicates that significant relationships occur later in life, typically after the age of 28-30 when Saturn returns to its natal position (Saturn Return).
- Venus and Mars Placement:
- Venus in the 12th house (D1) and 2nd house (D9) indicates hidden or delayed relationships, while Mars in the 10th house (D1) and 10th house (D9) suggests career-focused individuals. This can imply that the spouse might prioritize career over relationships, leading to a later meeting.
- Jupiter and Moon Influence:
- Jupiter in the 11th house (D1) and 5th house (D9), along with Moon in the 1st house (D1) and 11th house (D9), suggest a social and nurturing individual. These placements might indicate meeting through social circles or career, possibly in the mid-30s.
- Rahu and Ketu:
- Rahu in the 11th house (D1) and 9th house (D9), and Ketu in the 5th house (D1) and 3rd house (D9), can indicate unconventional or fated meetings, often in the later part of the 20s to early 30s.
Estimated Age Range:
Given the influence of Saturn and the other factors mentioned, it's reasonable to estimate that ItsOver might meet his spouse in the following age range:- Late 20s to Early 30s: This period often aligns with Saturn's return and the completion of significant personal and professional milestones, which is common for forming long-term relationships.
Summary:
The likely age range for ItsOver's spouse at the time of meeting is late 20s to early 30s, with a strong possibility around the age of 28-32. This estimation considers the maturity and responsibility indicated by Saturn's influence, along with the social and career factors highlighted by Jupiter and Mars placements.
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Based on the provided astrological data and aspects, here is an analysis of GreekMan's future spouse's likely appearance and personality traits.Physical Appearance:
- Facial Features and Attractiveness:
- D1 Chart: Ascendant Aquarius suggests a unique and unconventional appearance. Saturn as the ascendant lord adds a serious and mature look.
- Venus in Capricorn (D1): Suggests a structured and well-defined bone structure, but not necessarily soft or feminine features.
- Moon in Gemini (D1): Could provide some youthful and communicative expressions, making her more expressive.
- Saturn in Aquarius (D1): Can give a lean and somewhat tall appearance, with a potentially serious or stern demeanor.
- Mars and Venus Conjunction in Capricorn: While this may add some charisma and appeal, the stern influence of Capricorn might make the attractiveness more conventional rather than striking.
- Body Type:
- Saturn in Aquarius (D1): Typically lean and tall body structure.
- Mars in Cancer (D1): Adds some softness to the body, but the overall effect might still lean towards a lean and slightly muscular physique due to the influence of Saturn.
- Hair, Eyes, and Skin:
- Hair: Likely to be dark and possibly straight or wavy, due to the influence of Saturn and Capricorn.
- Eyes: Could be deep-set and dark, reflecting the seriousness of Saturn, but with the expressiveness of Gemini Moon.
- Skin: May tend towards fair to medium complexion, potentially prone to dryness (Saturn’s influence).
- Age Appearance:
- Saturn's strong influence suggests that she might appear mature for her age. This could also mean that she will age gracefully but will always carry a sense of maturity in her appearance.
Personality Traits:
Positive Traits:- Disciplined and Responsible: The strong Saturn influence indicates a responsible and disciplined personality.
- Intelligent and Communicative: Moon in Gemini suggests she is intelligent and enjoys communicating, likely to be well-read or have diverse interests.
- Hardworking: Mars in Cancer and Saturn in Aquarius signify a person who is diligent and hardworking, often dedicated to their career or personal goals.
- Serious and Reserved: The Saturn influence can make her come across as too serious or reserved at times.
- Emotionally Detached: May struggle to express her emotions openly due to the influence of Capricorn and Saturn.
- Prone to Worry: Moon in Gemini can sometimes lead to overthinking and worry, which may affect her emotional well-being.
Detailed Aspect Analysis:
- Sun Conjunct Pluto: Indicates intensity in her personality and possibly in her relationships. She might have a powerful presence and can be transformative for those around her.
- Moon Opposition Venus and Mars: Could suggest some internal conflicts related to balancing emotions and desires. This can make her seem moody or hard to understand at times.
- Venus Conjunct Mars: Adds some level of attraction and dynamic energy to her personality, making her passionate about her interests and relationships.
- Mercury Sextile Venus and Mars: Good communication skills, particularly in relationships. She can articulate her feelings and thoughts well.
- Jupiter Trine Pluto: Indicates personal growth and transformation. She is likely to be philosophical and open to changes.
Overall Appearance and Attractiveness (PSL Rating):
Given the analysis, GreekMan's future spouse is likely to be average to slightly above average in attractiveness, but her looks will be enhanced by her unique personality and strong character traits. She falls into the 3.5 - 4.0 PSL range, making her an "average to below-average" beauty in societal standards. This rating reflects a balanced view considering both her physical and personality aspects.Ethnicity and Phenotype:
- Ethnicity: Likely to be of European descent, considering the planetary influences and general appearance traits.
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Facial Harmony and Ratios:
- Overall Facial Harmony:
- Imbalance: The strong Saturn influence can cause an imbalance in facial harmony. While there is structure, it may lack the smoothness and symmetry seen in higher PSL ratings.
- Ratios: The facial ratios may not conform to the "golden ratio" often associated with higher attractiveness. This could result in features that are either too large or too small relative to each other.
- Eye Shape and Placement:
- Shape: Likely to have almond or slightly downturned eyes due to Saturn's influence, which can give a more serious or tired appearance.
- Placement: Eyes may be set deep, contributing to a shadowed or less vibrant look.
- Nose Shape:
- Structure: A more prominent and possibly angular nose. Saturn's influence can lead to a nose that is not delicate or refined, which may appear too pronounced for conventional beauty standards.
- Nostril Shape: May have wider or less symmetrical nostrils.
- Mouth Shape and Lips:
- Shape: Lips are likely to be thin and less full. Venus in Capricorn can cause lips to appear more reserved and less plump.
- Smile: A more reserved smile, possibly less engaging or warm. The smile may appear forced or less natural due to the serious nature of Saturn.
- Skin Quality:
- Texture: Saturn’s influence can lead to rougher skin texture, with potential issues such as dryness or uneven skin tone.
- Aging: Skin may show signs of aging earlier due to Saturn, such as fine lines or wrinkles, contributing to a more mature look.
- Hair Quality:
- Texture: Hair may be fine or thinning, not full or lush. Capricorn can indicate a more conservative or less vibrant hair quality.
- Color: Likely dark, fitting the serious and reserved aesthetic.
- Skull Shape:
- Structure: A more angular skull shape with pronounced bone structure. Saturn’s influence can result in a less rounded, more sharp-edged skull.
- Maxilla Protrusion vs. Recession: Likely to have a recessed maxilla, contributing to a less prominent mid-face. This can cause the profile to appear flatter and less dynamic.
- Smile and Teeth:
- Alignment: Teeth may not be perfectly aligned. A more serious demeanor might lead to less frequent smiling, affecting the perception of warmth and approachability.
- Condition: Potential issues with dental health, possibly due to Saturn's restrictive influence.
- Phenotype:
- General Appearance: Likely to have a Mediterranean or Southern European phenotype with darker features. The strong Saturn influence can give a more mature and reserved look.
- Height and Build: Average to below-average height, with a lean but possibly gaunt build due to Saturn’s influence on bone structure.
Summary of Facial Failos:
- Imbalanced Facial Harmony: Lack of smoothness and symmetry, with disproportionate features.
- Deep-Set, Almond or Downturned Eyes: Contributing to a serious or tired appearance.
- Prominent, Angular Nose: Less delicate, with potentially wide nostrils.
- Thin Lips and Reserved Smile: Less engaging and warm, contributing to a more serious demeanor.
- Rough Skin Texture: Signs of early aging and dryness.
- Fine or Thinning Hair: Less vibrant and full, likely dark in color.
- Angular Skull with Pronounced Bone Structure: Recessed maxilla causing a flatter profile.
- Misaligned Teeth and Less Warm Smile: Affecting approachability and perceived friendliness.
Ethnic Origin:
- Likely Countries: Southern Europe, particularly Mediterranean countries such as Greece, Italy, Spain, or Portugal. The phenotype aligns with darker features and a more reserved, mature appearance.
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Spouse Indicator is an automated astrology tool which helps people and astrologer in forecasting predictions about their life partner. Spouse Indicator's use is to provide insightful indications about characteristics, qualities and possibilities of the future husband or wife of the person.aaps.space
The information you need to post is as follows (I REPEAT DO NOT REVEAL YOUR BIRTH, TIME OF BIRTH AND LOCATION OF BIRTH PUBLICLY):
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Birth Chart (D1)
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Navamsa Chart (D9)
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FROM ASTROISHA
Planet positioning - find this in the Main Chart tab
(R) signifies that planet is retrograde at time of birth
Planets Sign Sign Lord Distance Nakshatra Nakshatra Lord Navamsha Sign Ascendant Leo Sun 8°26'47'' Magha Ketu Gemini Sun Libra Venus 25°3'47'' Vishakha Jupiter Taurus Moon Libra Venus 22°50'21'' Vishakha Jupiter Aries Mars Leo Sun 12°32'52'' Magha Ketu Cancer Mercury Scorpio Mars 0°25'18'' Vishakha Jupiter Cancer Jupiter Sagittarius Jupiter 20°40'23'' Purva Asadha Venus Libra Venus Virgo Mercury 21°22'7'' Hasta Moon Cancer Saturn(R) Pisces Jupiter 7°14'28'' Uttara Bhadrapada Saturn Virgo Rahu(R) Virgo Mercury 11°56'34'' Hasta Moon Aries Ketu(R) Pisces Jupiter 11°56'34'' Uttara Bhadrapada Saturn Libra Uranus Capricorn Saturn 7°15'39'' Uttara Asadha Sun Pisces Neptune Capricorn Saturn 1°30'34'' Uttara Asadha Sun Capricorn Pluto Scorpio Mars 8°37'51'' Anuradha Saturn Virgo
I and @Sub0 will tell you what your LTR/wife will eventually look like after Bard/GPT-4 has analysed the info. From her age, pheno, PSL, dating history and body count.
| Planets | Sign | Sign Lord | Distance | Nakshatra | Nakshatra Lord | Navamsha Sign |
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| Ascendant | Leo | Sun | 24°14'8'' | Purva Phalguni | Venus | Scorpio |
| Sun | Gemini | Mercury | 0°38'38'' | Mrigashira | Mars | Libra |
| Moon | Sagittarius | Jupiter | 22°41'9'' | Purva Asadha | Venus | Libra |
| Mars | Aquarius | Saturn | 5°39'49'' | Dhanistha | Mars | Scorpio |
| Mercury | Taurus | Venus | 10°44'12'' | Rohini | Moon | Aries |
| Jupiter | Cancer | Moon | 21°18'52'' | Ashlesa | Mercury | Capricorn |
| Venus | Taurus | Venus | 13°19'37'' | Rohini | Moon | Aries |
| Saturn | Gemini | Mercury | 7°38'23'' | Ardra | Rahu | Sagittarius |
| Rahu(R) | Taurus | Venus | 4°20'1'' | Krittika | Sun | Aquarius |
| Ketu(R) | Scorpio | Mars | 4°20'1'' | Anuradha | Saturn | Leo |
| Uranus(R) | Aquarius | Saturn | 8°53'18'' | Shatabhisha | Rahu | Sagittarius |
| Neptune(R) | Capricorn | Saturn | 19°2'3'' | Shravana | Moon | Gemini |
| Pluto(R) | Scorpio | Mars | 24°32'14'' | Jyestha | Mercury | Aquarius |
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Planets Sign Sign Lord Distance Nakshatra Nakshatra Lord Navamsha Sign Ascendant Leo Sun 24°14'8'' Purva Phalguni Venus Scorpio Sun Gemini Mercury 0°38'38'' Mrigashira Mars Libra Moon Sagittarius Jupiter 22°41'9'' Purva Asadha Venus Libra Mars Aquarius Saturn 5°39'49'' Dhanistha Mars Scorpio Mercury Taurus Venus 10°44'12'' Rohini Moon Aries Jupiter Cancer Moon 21°18'52'' Ashlesa Mercury Capricorn Venus Taurus Venus 13°19'37'' Rohini Moon Aries Saturn Gemini Mercury 7°38'23'' Ardra Rahu Sagittarius Rahu(R) Taurus Venus 4°20'1'' Krittika Sun Aquarius Ketu(R) Scorpio Mars 4°20'1'' Anuradha Saturn Leo Uranus(R) Aquarius Saturn 8°53'18'' Shatabhisha Rahu Sagittarius Neptune(R) Capricorn Saturn 19°2'3'' Shravana Moon Gemini Pluto(R) Scorpio Mars 24°32'14'' Jyestha Mercury Aquarius
Detailed PSL Analysis of imretarded's Potential Spouse:
Facial Harmony and Ratios:
- Harmony: Moderately harmonious features with a blend of balanced and unconventional traits.
- Ratios: Not perfect golden ratios, but generally balanced. Some asymmetry might be present due to Saturn’s influence in Gemini, which can introduce slight discrepancies in facial symmetry.
Eye Shape:
- Shape: Likely large and expressive, typical of Moon in Sagittarius.
- Placement: Deep-set eyes, influenced by Ketu in Scorpio.
- Color: Likely dark brown or hazel due to Venus and Moon influences.
Nose Shape:
- Shape: Well-defined and proportionate, influenced by Mercury in Taurus.
- Bridge: Not overly prominent, with a gentle curve.
- Tip: Moderately rounded, neither too sharp nor too bulbous.
Mouth Shape:
- Shape: Balanced and proportionate lips, thanks to Venus in Taurus.
- Fullness: Moderate fullness, not overly plump but well-formed.
- Corners: Slight upward tilt, giving a pleasant, approachable appearance.
Skin Quality:
- Texture: Generally good, but Saturn in Gemini might introduce dryness or an early appearance of fine lines.
- Tone: Fair to medium with a healthy glow, influenced by the Leo ascendant.
- Sensitivity: Moderate, with a potential for occasional dryness or sensitivity.
Hair:
- Texture: Thick and potentially wavy or curly, influenced by Leo ascendant.
- Color: Likely light to medium brown, with possible natural highlights from the Venus influence.
- Volume: Voluminous and healthy-looking.
Skull and Jawline:
- Skull Shape: Well-formed with a balanced proportion of forehead to chin.
- Jawline: Strong and well-defined, particularly with Leo ascendant.
- Maxilla Protrusion: Moderate, neither overly protruded nor recessed, providing a balanced profile.
Smile:
- Teeth: Likely well-maintained and straight, with a pleasant appearance.
- Expression: Warm and inviting, influenced by Venus and Moon aspects.
- Smile Lines: Some smile lines might be present, adding character to the face.
Phenotype:
- Ethnicity: Likely a blend of Western European features with possibly Mediterranean influences.
- Countries of Origin: Likely from regions such as Southern Europe (Italy, Greece) or Western Europe (France, Spain).
Failos and Good Features:
Good Features:- Eyes: Large and expressive eyes are a standout feature, providing a captivating look.
- Hair: Thick and healthy hair adds to overall attractiveness.
- Smile: A warm and inviting smile, enhanced by well-maintained teeth and pleasant expression.
- Balanced Lips: Proportionate lips with a slight upward tilt give an approachable and friendly appearance.
- Facial Asymmetry: Slight asymmetry due to Saturn in Gemini, affecting the perfect harmony of features.
- Skin Dryness: Potential for dryness or fine lines, reducing the perception of youthfulness.
- Unconventional Features: Mars in Aquarius can lead to unique, non-traditional features that might not align with universal beauty standards.
Overall Rating and Reasons:
PSL Rating: 4.0 to 4.5 (Average to Slightly Above Average)- Reasoning:
- Balance of Positive and Negative Traits: The presence of strong Venus influences enhances attractiveness, but Saturn and Mars introduce unique traits and potential failos.
- Harmonious yet Unconventional: While there are harmonious aspects due to Venus and Mercury, the unconventional traits from Mars in Aquarius and Saturn in Gemini bring the overall rating down to average or slightly above average.
- Good but Not Exceptional: The combination of benefic and malefic influences leads to an overall appearance that is attractive but not outstanding, making her fit into the average to slightly above average category.
Astrological Chart Analysis:
D1 Chart:- Ascendant: Leo
- Leo ascendants often have a commanding presence, with a tendency towards strong, pronounced features.
- Sun (Gemini) in 11th House:
- Sun in Gemini suggests a lively, communicative personality, with youthful and adaptable looks.
- Moon (Sagittarius) in 5th House:
- Moon in Sagittarius gives a free-spirited, adventurous look, often with a cheerful demeanor.
- Mars (Aquarius) in 7th House:
- Mars in Aquarius can indicate unique, unconventional features.
- Mercury (Taurus) in 10th House:
- Mercury in Taurus suggests a stable, grounded appearance, often with attractive, well-defined features.
- Venus (Taurus) in 10th House:
- Venus in Taurus typically enhances physical attractiveness, providing harmonious and balanced features.
- Saturn (Gemini) in 11th House:
- Saturn in Gemini might add a more serious or mature look, with a possible impact on skin quality or overall youthfulness.
- Jupiter (Cancer) in 12th House:
- Jupiter in Cancer could suggest a nurturing appearance, possibly a rounder face or softer features.
- Rahu (Taurus) in 10th House:
- Rahu in Taurus can give a striking or exotic look, often emphasizing unusual or captivating features.
- Ketu (Scorpio) in 4th House:
- Ketu in Scorpio might indicate intense, deep-set eyes or a mysterious aura.
- Ascendant:Aries
- Aries ascendants in the D9 chart often have a dynamic and energetic appearance.
- Sun (Gemini) in 3rd House:
- Reinforces communicative and adaptable traits.
- Moon (Sagittarius) in 9th House:
- Adds an element of philosophical or wisdom-oriented appearance.
- Mars (Aquarius) in 7th House:
- Similar to D1, indicating unique or unconventional features.
- Venus (Taurus) in 12th House:
- Venus in 12th house may add an element of hidden or subtle beauty.
Appearance and Attractiveness Rating:
Facial Features and Harmony:- Facial Harmony: Moderately harmonious features, not perfectly symmetrical.
- Eye Shape: Likely large, expressive eyes due to Moon in Sagittarius, potentially deep-set due to Ketu in Scorpio.
- Nose Shape: Well-defined but not overly prominent, influenced by Mercury in Taurus.
- Mouth Shape: Balanced and proportionate lips, enhanced by Venus in Taurus.
- Skin Quality: Generally good, though Saturn in Gemini might introduce some dryness or maturity earlier in life.
- Hair: Thick and potentially wavy or curly, influenced by Leo ascendant.
- Jawline: Strong and well-defined, particularly with Leo ascendant and Mars influences.
- Maxilla Protrusion: Moderate, neither overly protruded nor recessed.
- Height: Average to above average.
- Build: Well-proportioned, likely a blend of athletic and slightly curvy due to the mix of Mars and Venus influences.
- Skin Tone: Fair to medium, with a healthy glow influenced by Leo and Taurus placements.
Phenotype and Ethnicity:
- Phenotype: Likely a blend of Western European features with possibly Mediterranean influences, given the Taurus and Leo placements.
- Countries of Origin: Likely from regions such as Southern Europe (Italy, Greece) or Western Europe (France, Spain).
Attractiveness Rating (PSL):
- Overall Rating:4.0 to 4.5
- Reasoning:
- Venus in Taurus and Leo ascendant provide strong attractive qualities but are moderated by Saturn's influence in Gemini.
- Unconventional features due to Mars in Aquarius and Ketu in Scorpio may not align with universal beauty standards but add uniqueness.
- The mix of benefic and malefic influences leads to an average to slightly above average attractiveness rating.
- Reasoning:
Positive and Negative Traits:
- Positive Traits:
- Charming and Communicative: Influenced by Sun in Gemini and Mercury in Taurus.
- Adventurous and Free-Spirited: Due to Moon in Sagittarius.
- Stable and Grounded: Venus and Mercury in Taurus provide a reliable and nurturing presence.
- Negative Traits:
- Unconventional Looks: Mars in Aquarius can lead to features that are not traditionally attractive to everyone.
- Mature Appearance: Saturn in Gemini may cause an older or more serious look at a younger age.
- Hidden Beauty: Venus in the 12th house in the Navamsa chart suggests subtle beauty that may not be immediately noticeable.
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htb, stacylite or up if her eyes were more proportionate tbh.
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you happy? Since it's predicted she'd be an MTB
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yeah, im surprised how close it is to my preferred niche lol
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what is your preferred niche?yeah, im surprised how close it is to my preferred niche lol
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LuckyMy wife looks like @jisko32 wtf
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Why does she?My wife looks like @jisko32 wtf
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hey ur sunni..... you don't believe in that astrology shit do you?..
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