CMV: Believing too much in yourself or your efforts in life is bluepilled AF

[Deleted member 20704]

It's one thing to argue that some incels are lazy as shit and gigadoomers -- yeah, but it's another to believe anyone can do anything just with effort. Like somehow the universe can just SEE those working hard and KNOW they must be rewarded because it's observably "right."

Like I see some here touting the idea of self-improvement to insane depths -- just start a successful YouTube channel, bro; just make tons of friends and make everyone like you without being a sellout coper, bro; just make tons of money investing in an unpredictable market because you used the "right" strategy, bro. No, because no one can guarantee anything including whether 'X' must equal 'Y' all by itself for all.

I mean I'm all for trying ... I'm not one who has given up in life completely ... But quit with the bluepilled bullshit. Reality is, many of us here will fail no matter what. There will always be a sizeable amount of people falling on their backs and losing at life no matter what advice they take or how they execute it. The rich are rich because circumstances; none of them followed some secret code everyone else failed at. There is no secret to success ... That everyone believes there are underground strategies or things to learn to achieve it is the biggest lie of humanity.

No, you can't just tell someone they can take 'X' steps and success will work because that will lead to 'Y' or 'Z' or etc. Reality is, most are meant to fail -- that's life. You cannot really change much ... And those who did achieve much change were simply destined to ... Most people work hard and still live mediocre lives. Honest people can suffer despite trying, while dishonest crooks can get away with murder.

But despite all of this some on here still believe they are in control of their destiny, and that those struggling are all just lazy. No, laziness is not a human trait ... It's an excuse to try and have people believe one can be much more than just lazy if they weren't, in fact, lazy to begin with.

I don't believe anyone can be blackpilled if they're legit saying stuff like, "Just work harder, lazy," or etc. and actually believe anyone will make a 180 in their lives by following some set of immediately non-deterministic instructions laid out for them with no rhyme or reason.

It's like telling a criminal that he wouldn't be a criminal if he didn't commit crime ... Or that you wouldn't be poor if you worked harder ... Yet it's as if peoples' advice on this matter is ALWAYS too late to make any sense. It's basically impossible to re-write history as one desires....

Are you telling me every single poor person or ugly person is just stupid and lazy? All rich are brilliant and moral people -- that's why they're winners? So a bad guy can "win" because he did "right" but a good guy will "lose" because he did "wrong?" Who decides? Nobody.

Sound familiar? Sounds like bluepilled copes ... Sounds like a children's book ... Moralistic fallacy ... Just world fallacy ... Whatever you wanna call it. It's not that you did "better" it's just that a particular situation worked out for you ... That is all 100% of the time, period.

The truth? Hard work can help SOMETIMES ... But it's not gonna turn everyone's life around and make every wish come true. It's just not possible ... Life doesn't work this way ... We will always have losers no matter what they do or try ... Because life isn't fair ... And the recipe for success is NOT just "muh hard work." Some people remain in poverty despite suffering and efforts ... Others born in wealth & privilege never worry.

No matter what you do in life you will probably either see averageness, or extremes AKA you will "work hard" and live a "normal life," or you'll struggle to survive and cope; or you're already privileged & may/may not realize it. Point is your efforts hardly actually matter.

Sorry to break it to some dreamers ... This is NOT a post to tell you to give up ... It's to remind you that you can do everything right and still end up in wrong. Lotta great people die young ... Lotta bad demons can be superstars ... There's no perfect plan ... Someone had to say it.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

only power in life is being in the right.

 

[AscensionMan98]

I see what your saying, but the thing is that if you want to live life to the fullest extent and not have regrets when your older, you need to go all in at some point and work to try to achieve at least some portion of your vision with realistic expectations. Its always better to be ambitious and pursue things, rather then LDAR. Luck also plays a substantial part your right but if you work hard you increase the chances of being " lucky"/ good outcomes.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

I see what your saying, but the thing is that if you want to live life to the fullest extent and not have regrets when your older, you need to go all in at some point and work to try to achieve at least some portion of your vision with realistic expectations. Its always better to be ambitious and pursue things, rather then LDAR. Luck also plays a substantial part your right but if you work hard you increase the chances of being " lucky"/ good outcomes.

If hard work made one who is "less lucky" more likely to be "more lucky" then do you also believe less awareness of privilege makes one less likely to be privileged? How come those without the right "grit" are more likely remain failures, but those on the opposite end stay there?

Why would the loser be told it's the lack of efforts made to be the winner when the winner sits on top and doesn't have to do shit? It seems the idea is that the loser is lacking something he can obtain that the winner has, but the winner doesn't need to know what of the loser's he doesn't have? Like if the loser is missing "something" the winner has and vice-versa, why is the only focus on what the loser doesn't have? What about what the winner doesn't have that keeps him from being the loser? It's all mind games ... Who really does who in?

How come only the loser has to level up/worry about this? The failures are told they aren't good enough, but never HOW they can get better. They are told a million things to reach the level of the so-called winner but the winner just rolled out of bed and did better with the same effort.

Does the winner try as hard to avoiding falling down as the loser is told he must break his back to blindly try and catch up? Any way you look at it -- if you're reasonable -- you will come to the conclusion that life is not fair and hard work will never greatly change that in any way.

 

[Pakicel]

only power in life is being in the right.

And belief in Jesus Christ.

 

[szolliontaraelis]

 

[Deleted member 17429]

who cares, work harder or die trying

 

[Pakicel]

who cares, work harder or die trying

 

[Moggie]

And belief in Jesus Christ.

Pakicel​

 

[AscensionMan98]

If hard work made one who is "less lucky" more likely to be "more lucky" then do you also believe less awareness of privilege makes one less likely to be privileged? How come those without the right "grit" are more likely remain failures, but those on the opposite end stay there?

Why would the loser be told it's the lack of efforts made to be the winner when the winner sits on top and doesn't have to do shit? It seems the idea is that the loser is lacking something he can obtain that the winner has, but the winner doesn't need to know what of the loser's he doesn't have? Like if the loser is missing "something" the winner has and vice-versa, why is the only focus on what the loser doesn't have? What about what the winner doesn't have that keeps him from being the loser? It's all mind games ... Who really does who in?

How come only the loser has to level up/worry about this? The failures are told they aren't good enough, but never HOW they can get better. They are told a million things to reach the level of the so-called winner but the winner just rolled out of bed and did better with the same effort.

Does the winner try as hard to avoiding falling down as the loser is told he must break his back to blindly try and catch up? Any way you look at it -- if you're reasonable -- you will come to the conclusion that life is not fair and hard work will never greatly change that in any way.

Its ultimately up to you to determine how you set your course of path in life. If you want to do the bare minimum , its possible with some fraud maxxing to bullshit a disability and live on disability payments, and I'm sure their other ways to pursue the NEET lifestyle through fraud. But your income naturally will be capped.

If you want more you would have to work hard in a certain skill. Perhaps trade school , perhaps programming, perhaps sales, perhaps an analyst role, and get really good at it, so you could then get the freedom to not only use it on escorts, but pursue other locations to stay in once you save enough , so you can take advantage of easier locations. A lot of doors open with more money. But if your satisfied with less then its fine, but no point in being jealous against those born into privilege. They got lucky, and you should also count your blessings.

In sub Saharan Africa they have to find scrap in landfills and try to find left over food to eat and sell containers.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

Its ultimately up to you to determine how you set your course of path in life. If you want to do the bare minimum , its possible with some fraud maxxing to bullshit a disability and live on disability payments, and I'm sure their other ways to pursue the NEET lifestyle through fraud. But your income naturally will be capped.

If you want more you would have to work hard in a certain skill. Perhaps trade school , perhaps programming, perhaps sales, perhaps an analyst role, and get really good at it, so you could then get the freedom to not only use it on escorts, but pursue other locations to stay in once you save enough , so you can take advantage of easier locations. A lot of doors open with more money. But if your satisfied with less then its fine, but no point in being jealous against those born into privilege. They got lucky, and you should also count your blessings.

In sub Saharan Africa they have to find scrap in landfills and try to find left over food to eat and sell containers.

Yeah I'm not advocating people to be mad 24/7 about it, but it's something most should realize deeply at times, both the struggling & privileged. It's not that one can't take actions: it's that people sometimes overstate how powerful any actions they take will be/amount to.

 

[Deleted member 19453]

No, because no one can guarantee anything including whether 'X' must equal 'Y' all by itself for all.

No, you can't just tell someone they can take 'X' steps and success will work because that will lead to 'Y' or 'Z'

The reason people guarantee results is because it applies to most people most of the time or they are trying to sell something.
This is the common framework:
(ungifted and no hard work) < (ungifted and hard work) < (gifted and hard work)

For example: If someone studies math an hour a day they will get better math test results; This applies to most people but a minority will still get shit results even after studying.

Most ungifted people will be better at the thing in question if they work hard but this doesn't apply sometimes.
And some people have less potential from the starting point. (life isn't fair)

 

[Oberyn]

Pakicel​

Imagine

 

[fruitgunpop]

Not a single letter

 

[Tasty17]

who cares, work harder or die trying

That's how it is. Just try and if it doesn't work you die, that's it mf.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

 

[skinmaxxer]

what is there to work hard for?

i just want women