Collagen loss on TRT?

[Bitterschön]

I'm on 200mg TRT for life. Do I have to expect much collagen loss if I'm only on 1mg Fin ED? I was thinking switching to Dut but Fin works with absolutely zero sides, means I'm very satisfied and would rather not switch to Dut (yet). Will my collagen be raped on perma 200mg? Should I decrease to 125-150mg TRT weekly? And are things like GHK Cu + Tazarotene enough to support collagen? @powerliftercoco @slaters @Bitchwhipper2 @bruhtoobrutal

 

[Bitterschön]

Fuck. I just remembered I still have to do bloods.

 

[Aryan Incel]

I'm on 200mg TRT for life. Do I have to expect much collagen loss if I'm only on 1mg Fin ED? I was thinking switching to Dut but Fin works with absolutely zero sides, means I'm very satisfied and would rather not switch to Dut (yet). Will my collagen be raped on perma 200mg? Should I decrease to 125-150mg TRT weekly? And are things like GHK Cu + Tazarotene enough to support collagen? @powerliftercoco @slaters @Bitchwhipper2 @bruhtoobrutal

Switch to dut as it blocks both types of DHT whereas fin only blocks type 2 dht (the one that affects hair) so it won’t affect your collagen (or only very minimally)

 

[Bitterschön]

Switch do dut as it blocks both types of DHT whereas fin only blocks the one that affects hair so it won’t affect your collagen

Im not sure if I will tank Dut well. My brain chemicals aren't the best and Dut affects neurosteroids stronger, right? Would be worth a try tho. Was thinking to just support with GHK-Cu, Tazarotene, Matrixyl 3000, Syn-Coll, EGF, topical Viamin C, Niacinamide + microneedling + SPF instead

 

[Aryan Incel]

Will my collagen be raped on perma 200mg? Should I decrease to 125-150mg TRT weekly?

keep 200 mg if you use dut as it will elevate your estrogen levels which is good for aging (obviously if you see any side effects lower the dose slightly or use a AI)

And are things like GHK Cu + Tazarotene enough to support collagen?

Use topical and injectable GHK-cu, tarz does work but there not much point using it because accutane exists

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Youre not losing shit on 200mgs either way tbh.

But you should probably switch to dut as it inhibits both 5ar 1 and 2 while fin only does 2 which has less presence in sebaceous glands iirc

 

[Aryan Incel]

Im not sure if I will tank Dut well. My brain chemicals aren't the best and Dut affects neurosteroids stronger, right? Would be worth a try tho. Was thinking to just support with GHK-Cu, Tazarotene, Matrixyl 3000, Syn-Coll, EGF, topical Viamin C, Niacinamide + microneedling + SPF instead

You could try topical Dutasteride if you’re worried about sides but it has a high molecular weight and it’s a bit iffy on how effective it is. Also don’t forget to add RU 58841

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

You could try topical Dutasteride if you’re worried about sides but it has a high molecular weight and it’s a bit iffy on how effective it is. Also don’t forget to add RU 58841

If he still loses hair on dut, adding RU is valueble.

Just not worth the money otherwise

 

[Bitterschön]

Use topical and injectable GHK-cu, tarz does work but there not much point using it because accutane exists+

Thanks man. So injectable and topical GHK-Cu + perma low dosed Accutane + Matrixyl 3000 + Syn-Coll + EGF + topical Viamin C + Niacinamide + microneedling + SPF. And obviously consider switching to Dut from Fin

Youre not losing shit on 200mgs either way tbh.

But you should probably switch to dut as it inhibits both 5ar 1 and 2 while fin only does 2 which has less presence in sebaceous glands iirc

Good to hear. Will consider switching to Dut. Im a bit worried about neurosteroids since I have bad neurochemicals in general. Thanks

 

[FiendFiend]

I'm on 200mg TRT for life. Do I have to expect much collagen loss if I'm only on 1mg Fin ED? I was thinking switching to Dut but Fin works with absolutely zero sides, means I'm very satisfied and would rather not switch to Dut (yet). Will my collagen be raped on perma 200mg? Should I decrease to 125-150mg TRT weekly? And are things like GHK Cu + Tazarotene enough to support collagen? @powerliftercoco @slaters @Bitchwhipper2 @bruhtoobrutal

so happy im running ostarine and not that shit, my fucking skin is insane i got amazing collagen, the raddise and hylauronic acid fillers too when they dissolve naturally release collagen, so i just have insanely good tight skin now

 

[Bitterschön]

so happy im running ostarine and not that shit, my fucking skin is insane i got amazing collagen, the raddise and hylauronic acid fillers too when they dissolve naturally release collagen, so i just have insanely good tight skin now

Mogger, good for you. I have zero knowledge about SARMs tbh

 

[whateverr]

dut is waay better than fin dont fall for the propaganda , look up haircafe channel , dude is on trt too and has been on fin most of his life he has better collagen than 20 yos

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Thanks man. So injectable and topical GHK-Cu + perma low dosed Accutane + Matrixyl 3000 + Syn-Coll + EGF + topical Viamin C + Niacinamide + microneedling + SPF. And obviously consider switching to Dut from Fin

Injectable ghkcu hasnt done anything for me btw.
I believe its mostly a tiktok cope. Topical is the only scientifically verified option

Good to hear. Will consider switching to Dut. Im a bit worried about neurosteroids since I have bad neurochemicals in general. Thanks

Personally wouldnt worry abt it, but I feel ya.

Try it out n see how yu feel tbh

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

so happy im running ostarine and not that shit, my fucking skin is insane i got amazing collagen, the raddise and hylauronic acid fillers too when they dissolve naturally release collagen, so i just have insanely good tight skin now

Sarms were fucking good tbh.

I actually looked my best ever facially by the end of my rad140 cycle

 

[Aryan Incel]

Thanks man. So injectable and topical GHK-Cu + perma low dosed Accutane + Matrixyl 3000 + Syn-Coll + EGF + topical Viamin C + Niacinamide + microneedling + SPF. And obviously consider switching to Dut from Fin

 

[powerliftercoco]

You could try topical Dutasteride if you’re worried about sides but it has a high molecular weight and it’s a bit iffy on how effective it is. Also don’t forget to add RU 58841

No point in adding topical Dut, he’s worried about collagen and elastin, not hairloss.

OP I think you are fine on 200mg for life and not experience much collagen loss.

Just stay on either low dose isotretinoin or topical tazarotene, avoid the sun as much as possible or use SPF 50 with ultra long UVA protection (I’ll PM u), or use Melanotan + high dose antioxidants if you ever need to tan for looks.

Other than that, a bit of support by using things like GHK-Cu (topical is preferred), some Vitamin C (either topical in the morning or supplement with meals) and you are pretty much good to go.

Once you are rich you can do a few more expensive in office treatments if you ever need to boost your skin a lot more.

 

[Chad&Stacy]

I'm on 200mg TRT for life. Do I have to expect much collagen loss if I'm only on 1mg Fin ED? I was thinking switching to Dut but Fin works with absolutely zero sides, means I'm very satisfied and would rather not switch to Dut (yet). Will my collagen be raped on perma 200mg? Should I decrease to 125-150mg TRT weekly? And are things like GHK Cu + Tazarotene enough to support collagen? @powerliftercoco @slaters @Bitchwhipper2 @bruhtoobrutal

offtopic but are you still using nardil? I saw some posts you made about it in the past while lurking.

 

[Bitterschön]

offtopic but are you still using nardil? I saw some posts you made about it in the past while lurking.

Until 3 weeks ago, I was yeah. I ran out but will reorder next week.

 

[Chad&Stacy]

Until 3 weeks ago, I was yeah. I ran out but will reorder next week.

How effective was it?
and did you get the side effects?

 

[Aryan Incel]

No point in adding topical Dut, he’s worried about collagen and elastin, not hairloss.

OP I think you are fine on 200mg for life and not experience much collagen loss.

Just stay on either low dose isotretinoin or topical tazarotene, avoid the sun as much as possible or use SPF 50 with ultra long UVA protection (I’ll PM u), or use Melanotan + high dose antioxidants if you ever need to tan for looks.

Other than that, a bit of support by using things like GHK-Cu (topical is preferred), some Vitamin C (either topical in the morning or supplement with meals) and you are pretty much good to go.

Once you are rich you can do a few more expensive in office treatments if you ever need to boost your skin a lot more.

I meant using it on his skin

 

[Bitterschön]

Injectable ghkcu hasnt done anything for me btw.
I believe its mostly a tiktok cope. Topical is the only scientifically verified option

Interesting. I haven't used mine yet. It's has been in the fridge for months now. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work. Gotta make my own topical GHK Cu cream then Ig.

No point in adding topical Dut, he’s worried about collagen and elastin, not hairloss.

OP I think you are fine on 200mg for life and not experience much collagen loss.

Just stay on either low dose isotretinoin or topical tazarotene, avoid the sun as much as possible or use SPF 50 with ultra long UVA protection (I’ll PM u), or use Melanotan + high dose antioxidants if you ever need to tan for looks.

Other than that, a bit of support by using things like GHK-Cu (topical is preferred), some Vitamin C (either topical in the morning or supplement with meals) and you are pretty much good to go.

Once you are rich you can do a few more expensive in office treatments if you ever need to boost your skin a lot more.

Bet ty bro. Ive been supplementing Vit C + NAC among other things for months now. Ill skip the topical Vit C then?

How effective was it?
and did you get the side effects?

It's a true superdrug. One of its kind. Im not only saying this because it works well for me. Just look up how it works. Not only does it affect Serotonin + Dopamine + NPP, but also has GABA influence and even increases the Phenethylamine concentration in your brain, etc. (Phenethylamine is mogger af.)

Sadly it's nowadays being gatekept by evil lobbies who have no interests in helping people.

The only sides I've had was hypotension when starting the med/increasing to new dosages. That side effect will vanish within 1-2 months.

TLDR: Absolute mogger med that completely killed my atypical depression + social anxiety + nervosity.

Food interactions are a joke (still watch out a bit, but I ate what I wanted).

The only real problem with this med is that you can't take any other med/drug/susbtance that even only moderately increases dopamine or serotonin. You'd most likely die. Just don't swallow other SSRIS or street drugs JFl.

 

[Chad&Stacy]

It's a true superdrug. One of its kind. Im not only saying this because it works well for me. Just look up how it works. Not only does it affect Serotonin + Dopamine + NPP, but also has GABA influence and even increases the Phenethylamine concentration in your brain, etc. (Phenethylamine is mogger af.)

Sadly it's nowadays being gatekept by evil lobbies who have no interests in healing people.

The only sides I've had was hypertension when starting the med/increasing to new dosages. That side effect will vanish within 1-2 months.

TLDR: Absolute mogger med that completely killed my atypical depression + social anxiety + nervosity.

Food interactions are a joke (still watch out a bit, but I ate what I wanted).

The only real problem with this med is that you can't take any othjer med/drug/susbtance that even only moderately increases dopamine or serotonin. You'd most likely die. Just don't swallow other SSRIS or street drugs JFl.

mirin bro, i was looking into it for my depression, anxiety, and low motivation, what dose did you use? and you recon i would be fine taking it on its own or should i get bp meds just in case?

also did you buy it from pglchem?

 

[Bitterschön]

mirin bro, i was looking into it for my depression, anxiety, and low motivation, what dose did you use? and you recon i would be fine taking it on its own or should i get bp meds just in case?

also did you buy it from pglchem?

Excuse me, I meant hypotension. It appears especially when standing up. You wont need any BP meds

I increased gradually to 75mg ED. This time Ill aim for steady 90mg. But I gotta increase slowly again since Ive been off the med for 3 weeks now.

I bought 1mg from PGLChem, but I used a different source.

 

[Chad&Stacy]

Excuse me, I meant hypotension. It appears especially when standing up. You wont need any BP meds

I increased gradually to 75mg ED. This time Ill aim for steady 90mg. But I gotta increase slowly again since Ive been off the med for 3 weeks now.

I bought 1mg from PGLChem, but I used a different source.

did you get any withdrawals after coming off?

 

[Bitterschön]

did you get any withdrawals after coming off?

Yeah but just minimal. No brain zaps or other nasty shit. Cold turkey quitting was no problem. I only felt more irritated and obviously the sadness & anxiety are stronger when coming off, but normalize within 2 weeks after hopping off.

 

[Chad&Stacy]

Yeah but just minimal. No brain zaps or other nasty shit. Cold turkey quitting was no problem. I only felt more irritated and obviously the sadness & anxiety are stronger when coming off, but normalize within 2 weeks after hopping off.

thanks for all your help, ill look more into it.
Plus followed because your a great user

 

[bruhtoobrutal]

Injectable ghkcu hasnt done anything for me btw.

GHK-Cu only starts to work with high doses like 10mg+

Im not sure if I will tank Dut well. My brain chemicals aren't the best and Dut affects neurosteroids stronger, right? Would be worth a try tho. Was thinking to just support with GHK-Cu, Tazarotene, Matrixyl 3000, Syn-Coll, EGF, topical Viamin C, Niacinamide + microneedling + SPF instead

on 200mg you shouldn’t even expect much sides. The only things for collagen you need are retinoids (topical Taz or low dose accutane) I’m currently on accutane myself, it mogs so hard. I’d recommend you do microneedling once a month. I bought a Dr.Pen M8 off shein for cheap. You can use any serum you want and buy some numbing cream off Amazon. All you need alongside SPF50 + PA++++.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

GHK-Cu only starts to work with high doses like 10mg+

Yea. On paper thats what it seems.
But im not finna burn a vial a week for a molecule of collagen when accutane does it better

on 200mg you shouldn’t even expect much sides. The only things for collagen you need are retinoids (topical Taz or low dose accutane) I’m currently on accutane myself, it mogs so hard. I’d recommend you do microneedling once a month. I bought a Dr.Pen M8 off shein for cheap. You can use any serum you want and buy some numbing cream off Amazon. All you need alongside SPF50 + PA++++.

 

[slaters]

I'm on 200mg TRT for life. Do I have to expect much collagen loss if I'm only on 1mg Fin ED? I was thinking switching to Dut but Fin works with absolutely zero sides, means I'm very satisfied and would rather not switch to Dut (yet). Will my collagen be raped on perma 200mg? Should I decrease to 125-150mg TRT weekly? And are things like GHK Cu + Tazarotene enough to support collagen? @powerliftercoco @slaters @Bitchwhipper2 @bruhtoobrutal

No point in adding topical Dut, he’s worried about collagen and elastin, not hairloss.

OP I think you are fine on 200mg for life and not experience much collagen loss.

Just stay on either low dose isotretinoin or topical tazarotene, avoid the sun as much as possible or use SPF 50 with ultra long UVA protection (I’ll PM u), or use Melanotan + high dose antioxidants if you ever need to tan for looks.

Other than that, a bit of support by using things like GHK-Cu (topical is preferred), some Vitamin C (either topical in the morning or supplement with meals) and you are pretty much good to go.

Once you are rich you can do a few more expensive in office treatments if you ever need to boost your skin a lot more.

yeah this with good sleep and diet maybe drop the trt down a little to 185-150 unless 200 is that much better with spf pa++++