Complete Guide to Side Effect-Free Anabolic Steroid Use

[baguette420]

Here is a basic overview of growing muscle without side effects.

Many of your questions/Myths will be answered at the end of the post.​

Core Principles:​

• Daily IM (intramuscular) Injections: Daily injections help maintain stable blood levels of the steroid, Estrogen, and DHT. Forget the twice-a-week approach; consistent levels prevent unwanted fluctuations.
• Example: Twice a week injections serum levels vs Everyday injections. (you don't want peaks and valleys)
• 
  
• Intramuscular is Best: Injecting into the muscle is optimal. Subcutaneous injections offer no advantage.
• Focus on Anabolism: The goal is muscle growth, not just the androgenic effects.
• Estrogen is Essential: Estrogen plays a vital role in muscle growth and should not be shot to the floor.
• Growth Hormone (GH) is Key: GH works synergistically with anabolic steroids, making it an important part of ANY cycle.

​

How to Implement the Best Steroid Cycle:​

1. Set Your Testosterone Baseline to Find your Optimal Estrogen Level​

• Aim for adequate estrogen to maximize conversion of GH to IGF-1.
• Target levels may vary; For me, 100 pg/mL estradiol levels get MAXIMUM IGF-1 conversion.
• Avoid eliminating estrogen, as it is needed for growth.

• Use enough testosterone to reach optimal estrogen levels for GH to IGF-1 conversion.
• Start with a low dose (e.g., 30 mg/day) and adjust based on bloodwork.
• Avoid chasing high testosterone doses—focus on maintaining a 20:1 testosterone-to-estrogen ratio.

2. Add a Purely Anabolic Steroid (Masteron):​

• Once your testosterone is optimized, introduce Masteron to meet your anabolic needs. Example 250mg/week Testosterone + 500mg/week Masteron
• Masteron is a DHT derivative, purely anabolic, and does not convert to estrogen or DHT.
• Do not confuse Masteron with Primo; Primo is an Aromatase Inhibitor, Masteron does NOT lower estrogen levels, it competes for the estrogen receptor to block estrogenic side effects.

3. Use Growth Hormone:​

• Incorporate GH for a 1+1 = 3 effect on muscle growth and recovery.
• Administer GH and steroids via daily injections.
• Start with 2iu and work up to your maximum tolerable dose.

4. Monitor and Adjust:​

• Use data from bloodwork rather than symptoms to optimize your cycle.
• If side effects such as gyno or hair loss occur, reduce your testosterone dosage.

Example Cycle Framework (Adjust Accordingly):​

• Testosterone: Administer daily to achieve optimal estrogen levels. Start low and titrate up.
• Masteron: Use daily to meet additional milligram load for anabolic requirements.
• Growth Hormone: Dose daily. In the AM fasted for fat loss, before bed/lift for muscle gain.

• Important Questions and Myths Addressed​

• 
  I thought Masteron was bad for hair?
  -A common myth is that DHT derivatives are bad for your hair, in reality, it is DHT: Estrogen ratios that determine if you lose hair. That is why you want to run a low level of Testosterone for minimum DHT conversion and use the rest of your milligram load in Masteron.​

• ​

• Why Masteron vs Primo?​

• -Primo is just as anabolic as testosterone or Masteron except primo reduces Estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, making you have to use a higher dose of Testosterone or crash your estrogen to the floor.​

• ​

• I thought GH caused cancer?​

• -This is also untrue, IGF-1 does increase the growth of a pre-existing tumor, but will not cause new cancer to grow.​

• ​

• Why not use more anabolic compounds?​

• -Another myth is that one compound will grow more muscle than the next, such as Nandrolone or Anadrol or Tren or even more testosterone. For the most part, myofibrillar hypertrophy (muscle growth) is almost the same among all compounds. People think excess water retention = more growth that's why it's thought that Testosterone and Nandrolone make you grow so much faster, but in reality its just water/glycogen/nitrogen retention.​

• 
  Why should I not just use more Testosterone?​

• -More Testosterone means more estrogen, more water retention, more hair loss, and more androgenic side effects. When you could use lower testosterone + a less side effect compound like Masteron.​

• 
  Growth Hormone is expensive, I'm not buying that.​

• -Pharma Grade growth hormone is expensive, but Generic underground GH is almost dirt cheap. They are both the same compound and worst case scenario if generic is worse than pharma then you can just use a higher dose of generic GH.​

Here is what I am currently running using this framework:

• 30mg Testosterone Cypionate every day​

• 30mg Masteron Enanthate every day​

• 4iu Growth Hormone before bed every day​

• Total ~400 mg total weekly​

• -31g 1/2" to pin lats, quads, and delts​

• -25g 1" needle to pin glutes​

• -31g 5/16" Insulin syringe for GH
  
  Current Ancillaries​

• -1mg Finasteride every other day (lowers serum DHT)​

• -20mg Telmisartan every day (lowers Blood pressure + other benefits)​

• -5mg Cialis (for pump + blood pressure)​

• -10mg Ezetimibe every day (lowers ApoB/Cholesterol)​

• -10mg Rosuvastatin twice a week (Lowers Apob/Cholesterol)​

• -500mg Injectable L-carnitine every day (more androgen receptor upregulation and fatty acid utilization)​

• ​

• Recent Relevant Blood Work:​

• RBC: 5.07 million/uL​

• Hematocrit: 39.7%​

• Glucose: 88mg/dL​

• Cystatin C w/ eGFR: 127 mL/min/1.73m2​

• AST: 21 IU/L​

• ALT: 20 IU/L​

• Testosterone, total (LC/MC): 1793 ng/dL
  Estradiol, Sensitive 97 pg/mL​

• Apolipoprotein B: 40mg/dL
  ​

• Current Side Effects:​

• -Extreme Libido​

• -Mild Testicular Atrophy​

• -Slight Increase In facial Hair growth
  -Annoying to pin all the time
  
  
  ​

• Feel free to ask any questions in the comments.​

 

[meathead]

dnr

shit thread

 

[iblameCopecels]

dnr bookmarked tho

 

[Popoklapser]

.

 

[LVZZO]

Good thread but mogged by my cope supplements and natural physique, also it's 70% about face and height and not being a framelet

 

[baguette420]

100% agree. When I was 11% body fat 150lbs lean asf skinny twink build, got way more attention from women than I do now at ~200lbs 14% body fat.

 

[ChadsAreCool]

I never tried Masteron but I always heard it builds no muscle whatsoever.

 

[HandsomeHustler]

100 pg/mL estrogen

no you dont

 

[EliDKing]

why not inject 2 iu morning and 2 iu night (hgh)

 

[aestheticsrespecter]

repped

 

[baguette420]

I never tried Masteron but I always heard it builds no muscle whatsoever.

Everyone just spews the same shit they heard from the next guy

 

[baguette420]

why not inject 2 iu morning and 2 iu night (hgh)

Just one less step. The difference to me was so little I just stick to before bed.

 

[AlphaLooksmaxxer666]

 

[getleftover]

Good guide, i might have to get some mast after all

also I was pinning ed but I switched to eod because I have only 6 IM spots that I find easy to pin

 

[Thebuffdon]

Good guide, i might have to get some mast after all

also I was pinning ed but I switched to eod because I have only 6 IM spots that I find easy to pin

Ed?

 

[ascension124]

dnr

shit thread

Post physique Op

 

[Cyrus]

how old are you?
measure your sitting morning height before and after
i think your vertebrae might grow

 

[PsychoDsk]

Good thread

 

[baguette420]

Good guide, i might have to get some mast after all

also I was pinning ed but I switched to eod because I have only 6 IM spots that I find easy to pin

Thank you! With insulin syringes (31g with GH) its also pretty easy to pin tricep and biceps which allegedly can help increase the amount of intracellular IGF-1.

 

[baguette420]

how old are you?
measure your sitting morning height before and after
i think your vertebrae might grow

21. Can u elaborate on wym? like measure height right as I wake up? I believe 5'10 3/4". It's only been a handful of weeks on this protocol but I intend on upping my GH once I can tolerate higher doses.

 

[baguette420]

I never tried Masteron but I always heard it builds no muscle whatsoever.

It seems to be a common theme that one person says something, then everyone else believes it with no evidence to support that claim. All steroids (with minor exceptions) build the same amount of pure tissue at approximately the same rate. People prefer one over another because of the cosmetic benefits some steroids provide.
-EX: nandrolone provides a lot of fullness and water retention. Primo provides a hard dry look. EQ provides a lot of vascularity.

 

[Cyrus]

21. Can u elaborate on wym? like measure height right as I wake up? I believe 5'10 3/4". It's only been a handful of weeks on this protocol but I intend on upping my GH once I can tolerate higher doses.

yes that is morning height
your spine growth plates close way later than the ones in your knees
i think thats how most guys grow after puberty

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Here is a basic overview of growing muscle without side effects.​

​

Many of your questions/Myths will be answered at the end of the post.​

Core Principles:​

• Daily IM (intramuscular) Injections: Daily injections help maintain stable blood levels of the steroid, Estrogen, and DHT. Forget the twice-a-week approach; consistent levels prevent unwanted fluctuations.
• Example: Twice a week injections serum levels vs Everyday injections. (you don't want peaks and valleys)
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• Intramuscular is Best: Injecting into the muscle is optimal. Subcutaneous injections offer no advantage.
• Focus on Anabolism: The goal is muscle growth, not just the androgenic effects.
• Estrogen is Essential: Estrogen plays a vital role in muscle growth and should not be shot to the floor.
• Growth Hormone (GH) is Key: GH works synergistically with anabolic steroids, making it an important part of ANY cycle.

​

How to Implement the Best Steroid Cycle:​

1. Set Your Testosterone Baseline to Find your Optimal Estrogen Level​

• Aim for adequate estrogen to maximize conversion of GH to IGF-1.
• Target levels may vary; For me, 100 pg/mL estradiol levels get MAXIMUM IGF-1 conversion.
• Avoid eliminating estrogen, as it is needed for growth.
• Use enough testosterone to reach optimal estrogen levels for GH to IGF-1 conversion.
• Start with a low dose (e.g., 30 mg/day) and adjust based on bloodwork.
• Avoid chasing high testosterone doses—focus on maintaining a 20:1 testosterone-to-estrogen ratio.

2. Add a Purely Anabolic Steroid (Masteron):​

• Once your testosterone is optimized, introduce Masteron to meet your anabolic needs. Example 250mg/week Testosterone + 500mg/week Masteron
• Masteron is a DHT derivative, purely anabolic, and does not convert to estrogen or DHT.
• Do not confuse Masteron with Primo; Primo is an Aromatase Inhibitor, Masteron does NOT lower estrogen levels, it competes for the estrogen receptor to block estrogenic side effects.

3. Use Growth Hormone:​

• Incorporate GH for a 1+1 = 3 effect on muscle growth and recovery.
• Administer GH and steroids via daily injections.
• Start with 2iu and work up to your maximum tolerable dose.

4. Monitor and Adjust:​

• Use data from bloodwork rather than symptoms to optimize your cycle.
• If side effects such as gyno or hair loss occur, reduce your testosterone dosage.

Example Cycle Framework (Adjust Accordingly):​

• Testosterone: Administer daily to achieve optimal estrogen levels. Start low and titrate up.
• Masteron: Use daily to meet additional milligram load for anabolic requirements.
• Growth Hormone: Dose daily. In the AM fasted for fat loss, before bed/lift for muscle gain.

• Important Questions and Myths Addressed​

• 
  I thought Masteron was bad for hair?
  -A common myth is that DHT derivatives are bad for your hair, in reality, it is DHT: Estrogen ratios that determine if you lose hair. That is why you want to run a low level of Testosterone for minimum DHT conversion and use the rest of your milligram load in Masteron.​

• ​

• Why Masteron vs Primo?​

• -Primo is just as anabolic as testosterone or Masteron except primo reduces Estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, making you have to use a higher dose of Testosterone or crash your estrogen to the floor.​

• ​

• I thought GH caused cancer?​

• -This is also untrue, IGF-1 does increase the growth of a pre-existing tumor, but will not cause new cancer to grow.​

• ​

• Why not use more anabolic compounds?​

• -Another myth is that one compound will grow more muscle than the next, such as Nandrolone or Anadrol or Tren or even more testosterone. For the most part, myofibrillar hypertrophy (muscle growth) is almost the same among all compounds. People think excess water retention = more growth that's why it's thought that Testosterone and Nandrolone make you grow so much faster, but in reality its just water/glycogen/nitrogen retention.​

• 
  Why should I not just use more Testosterone?​

• -More Testosterone means more estrogen, more water retention, more hair loss, and more androgenic side effects. When you could use lower testosterone + a less side effect compound like Masteron.​

• 
  Growth Hormone is expensive, I'm not buying that.​

• -Pharma Grade growth hormone is expensive, but Generic underground GH is almost dirt cheap. They are both the same compound and worst case scenario if generic is worse than pharma then you can just use a higher dose of generic GH.​

Here is what I am currently running using this framework:

• 30mg Testosterone Cypionate every day​

• 30mg Masteron Enanthate every day​

• 4iu Growth Hormone before bed every day​

• Total ~400 mg total weekly​

• -31g 1/2" to pin lats, quads, and delts​

• -25g 1" needle to pin glutes​

• -31g 5/16" Insulin syringe for GH
  
  Current Ancillaries​

• -1mg Finasteride every other day (lowers serum DHT)​

• -20mg Telmisartan every day (lowers Blood pressure + other benefits)​

• -5mg Cialis (for pump + blood pressure)​

• -10mg Ezetimibe every day (lowers ApoB/Cholesterol)​

• -10mg Rosuvastatin twice a week (Lowers Apob/Cholesterol)​

• -500mg Injectable L-carnitine every day (more androgen receptor upregulation and fatty acid utilization)​

• ​

• Recent Relevant Blood Work:​

• RBC: 5.07 million/uL​

• Hematocrit: 39.7%​

• Glucose: 88mg/dL​

• Cystatin C w/ eGFR: 127 mL/min/1.73m2​

• AST: 21 IU/L​

• ALT: 20 IU/L​

• Testosterone, total (LC/MC): 1793 ng/dL
  Estradiol, Sensitive 97 pg/mL​

• Apolipoprotein B: 40mg/dL​

• Current Side Effects:​

• -Extreme Libido​

• -Mild Testicular Atrophy​

• -Slight Increase In facial Hair growth
  -Annoying to pin all the time
  
  ​

• Feel free to ask any questions in the comments.​

30 mg testosterone? 100 pg/mL estrogen is ideal?

DNR