bluebandz
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This is going to hopefully be one of my best threads.
Stick around and rep even if not read. There won’t be a dnr section since a certain amount of detail should be going into this, and a dnr section means that detail may be lost.
Disclaimer;
I am not a doctor. This thread goes over how most people run steroid cycles. This does not mean that I am advising you to use any type of steroid, medication, pharmaceutical, research chemical, or any other item. Because steroid cycles are usually not done under direct doctor supervision, that means that a lot of this threads contents could be incorrect. This is not a how to run a cycle. This is a thread covering multiple online analogies and discussions. It is unsafe and reckless to do anything mentioned in this thread, so do not do anything mentioned in this thread. Always consult with a doctor and use medications under doctor supervision with a doctor giving explicit reccomendation. This thread is completely meant for research use, although, some information may be correct. This should not be to research your cycle. I am not telling you what you need. In fact I don’t think you should be using any medication unless prescribed by a doctor or directly told to use by a doctor. This simply overviews what others do. I also may unintentionally leave out a few important parts, which is why it is even more important to not follow this as advice or a tutorial. Do not do anything mentioned. The thread name is a bit deceiving, but this is not a guide. This is an article gathering people’s personal anecdotes.
Bluebandz
Each step of the first steroid cycle
This thread took a lot of work so please rep
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Stick around and rep even if not read. There won’t be a dnr section since a certain amount of detail should be going into this, and a dnr section means that detail may be lost.
Disclaimer;
I am not a doctor. This thread goes over how most people run steroid cycles. This does not mean that I am advising you to use any type of steroid, medication, pharmaceutical, research chemical, or any other item. Because steroid cycles are usually not done under direct doctor supervision, that means that a lot of this threads contents could be incorrect. This is not a how to run a cycle. This is a thread covering multiple online analogies and discussions. It is unsafe and reckless to do anything mentioned in this thread, so do not do anything mentioned in this thread. Always consult with a doctor and use medications under doctor supervision with a doctor giving explicit reccomendation. This thread is completely meant for research use, although, some information may be correct. This should not be to research your cycle. I am not telling you what you need. In fact I don’t think you should be using any medication unless prescribed by a doctor or directly told to use by a doctor. This simply overviews what others do. I also may unintentionally leave out a few important parts, which is why it is even more important to not follow this as advice or a tutorial. Do not do anything mentioned. The thread name is a bit deceiving, but this is not a guide. This is an article gathering people’s personal anecdotes.
Bluebandz
Each step of the first steroid cycle
This is considered one of the harder parts for most people. The average Joe has no clue how to source anything, let alone gear, which is much harder to source than peptides, even if they aren’t gray market. I don’t believe you can just promote sourcing or websites here without staff permission. In fact, I know you can’t. But I wouldn’t provide sourcing either way. I don’t want you to start a cycle, I just want to gather information and write this article.
Most people’s first source is a website. I can’t promote any forums or websites, but most steroid forums have sponsors who are usually trusted. You can also usually see replies to see if they are legit or good.
Something most people avoid is buying from tele or whatsapp gray market peptide sellers. Usually their oil quality is abismal and each batch heavily varies. If your peptide source is one of the main ones, they likely fall into this category. Yes, everything’s cheaper, but most people do not reccomend cheaping out.
So here’s how it goes usually.
Person goes on steroid forum, goes on source/underground section, finds domestic or even international source, checks replies and reviews, sees what people say about quality, then checks website. If all checks out, that’s usually their source. I also don’t want to point any fingers, but that one website everyone uses that supposedly reviews sources apparently puts up sources that just pay them. I get it, they have to make money, but this makes many people want to avoid them. Overpriced, bad quality stuff or even scams are possible, but generally from sources there most people don’t report scams. Most people even report fine quality. Just overpriced stuff. And most website ancillaries are overpriced.
To avoid this, most people buy the oils domestically but purchase ancillaries from “grey market” sources off of messaging apps.
Since you won’t be buying anything it doesn’t matter. Do NOT buy peds or any meds!!! Or anything!!
Most people’s first source is a website. I can’t promote any forums or websites, but most steroid forums have sponsors who are usually trusted. You can also usually see replies to see if they are legit or good.
Something most people avoid is buying from tele or whatsapp gray market peptide sellers. Usually their oil quality is abismal and each batch heavily varies. If your peptide source is one of the main ones, they likely fall into this category. Yes, everything’s cheaper, but most people do not reccomend cheaping out.
So here’s how it goes usually.
Person goes on steroid forum, goes on source/underground section, finds domestic or even international source, checks replies and reviews, sees what people say about quality, then checks website. If all checks out, that’s usually their source. I also don’t want to point any fingers, but that one website everyone uses that supposedly reviews sources apparently puts up sources that just pay them. I get it, they have to make money, but this makes many people want to avoid them. Overpriced, bad quality stuff or even scams are possible, but generally from sources there most people don’t report scams. Most people even report fine quality. Just overpriced stuff. And most website ancillaries are overpriced.
To avoid this, most people buy the oils domestically but purchase ancillaries from “grey market” sources off of messaging apps.
Since you won’t be buying anything it doesn’t matter. Do NOT buy peds or any meds!!! Or anything!!
Now, i’m not telling you what YOU need. Keep that in mind. I do not want any of you to buy any medication without prescription.
This is just what other people do.
The main issues most people want to combat are these:
Hair loss
Acne
Fertility damage/testicle shrinkage
Muscle loss after cycle
High estrogen/Gyno/Bloating
Growth plate closure
Keep in mind the things I will be listing to combat these shouldn’t be used without valid doctor prescription, they all have side effects. The stuff to combat acne can even get you a fucked up kid if you get someone pregnant.
Hair Loss - Most people use topical anti androgens or dht blockers. However generally I see more about dht blockers. Usually people will use finasteride or dutasteride. I believe finasteride is a bit less strong as poses less sides but i’m not completely sure, so do your research to come to an accurate conclusion.
Acne - Most people use isotretinoin (most popular brands are accutane or acufine), which is usually taken orally, although there is a less potent topical option if i’m not incorrect. However almost everyone uses oral. Dosages heavily vary. Most start at like 10-20mg, but it’s important to talk to a doctor to get an accurate dosage and prescription if you do want to use it. This goes for all items mentioned in this thread, even if not explicitly stated. This is me stating it.
People also use tretinoin which is a topical gel or cream. Most use a pea size amount on their face. Keep in mind both options have purging and shedding stages. And isotretinoin can cause early growth plate closure, but realistically roids will close plates anyway. That’s why it’s a kinda dumb thing to consider.
Fertility damage/testicle shrinkage - Most people use HCG. There’s not much of a set dose but something I repeatedly see is people using 250iu 2x weekly/every other day/every three days. But your dose is dependant on what your doctor says.
Muscle loss after cycle - Lots of people decide to cruise (for example, a TRT dose) after blasting (supraphysiological dose) to prevent muscle loss. But what a lot of others do to not lose all their muscle is PCT. This is usually clomid for like 28 days. A lot of people do 50mg for the first 2 weeks and 25 for the last 2. This still causes up to 40% muscle loss. Also a lot of the glycogen in the muscle area and water are lost.
High estrogen - Most people choose to use some sort of aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels low. These can come with tons of sides which is why lots of people choose anastrazole, although, it still obviously has sides.
Growth plate closure - Can’t be combatted. Local aromatization still happens. Many people might bring up fgfr3 inhibs but that shouldn’t even be included in this conversation.
This is just what other people do.
The main issues most people want to combat are these:
Hair loss
Acne
Fertility damage/testicle shrinkage
Muscle loss after cycle
High estrogen/Gyno/Bloating
Growth plate closure
Keep in mind the things I will be listing to combat these shouldn’t be used without valid doctor prescription, they all have side effects. The stuff to combat acne can even get you a fucked up kid if you get someone pregnant.
Hair Loss - Most people use topical anti androgens or dht blockers. However generally I see more about dht blockers. Usually people will use finasteride or dutasteride. I believe finasteride is a bit less strong as poses less sides but i’m not completely sure, so do your research to come to an accurate conclusion.
Acne - Most people use isotretinoin (most popular brands are accutane or acufine), which is usually taken orally, although there is a less potent topical option if i’m not incorrect. However almost everyone uses oral. Dosages heavily vary. Most start at like 10-20mg, but it’s important to talk to a doctor to get an accurate dosage and prescription if you do want to use it. This goes for all items mentioned in this thread, even if not explicitly stated. This is me stating it.
People also use tretinoin which is a topical gel or cream. Most use a pea size amount on their face. Keep in mind both options have purging and shedding stages. And isotretinoin can cause early growth plate closure, but realistically roids will close plates anyway. That’s why it’s a kinda dumb thing to consider.
Fertility damage/testicle shrinkage - Most people use HCG. There’s not much of a set dose but something I repeatedly see is people using 250iu 2x weekly/every other day/every three days. But your dose is dependant on what your doctor says.
Muscle loss after cycle - Lots of people decide to cruise (for example, a TRT dose) after blasting (supraphysiological dose) to prevent muscle loss. But what a lot of others do to not lose all their muscle is PCT. This is usually clomid for like 28 days. A lot of people do 50mg for the first 2 weeks and 25 for the last 2. This still causes up to 40% muscle loss. Also a lot of the glycogen in the muscle area and water are lost.
High estrogen - Most people choose to use some sort of aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels low. These can come with tons of sides which is why lots of people choose anastrazole, although, it still obviously has sides.
Growth plate closure - Can’t be combatted. Local aromatization still happens. Many people might bring up fgfr3 inhibs but that shouldn’t even be included in this conversation.
Almost nobody uses anything other than testosterone for their first cycle because it’s thought of as the simplest and highest ROI AAS.
For dosage, a surprisingly high amount of people actually run something like 250mg testosterone per week. They then realize that shit makes very little difference and bump up to something like 350-450.
For dosage, a surprisingly high amount of people actually run something like 250mg testosterone per week. They then realize that shit makes very little difference and bump up to something like 350-450.
This heavily varies. Some people pin daily. Some pin weekly. Some multiple times a week. A lot of people say they do daily, which seems like the smarter option to manage spikes and whatnot, but it obviously comes at the cost of convenience and discomfort. Generally, Test S is taken daily because of its lack of an ester, Test E is taken 2x a week, and C taken weekly. Keep in mind doctors may change dosages or how often it’s taken. So this is heavily dependent and isn’t a set correct amount of times to pin.
The only things most people pin on their first cycle is HCG and Testosterone.
Hcg is a peptide, meaning that most usually will have to reconstitute it with some kind of liquid. Usually people choose BAC water. Keep in mind there are very few things that are considered correct or safe in the steroid community, which is why most find it important to only use bac water to reconstitute. I have other threads on how people reconstitute and whatnot, so I won’t be covering that. Testosterone usually comes in an oil form unless raws were purchased, and raws are pretty much useless unless the person who bought them really knows what they are doing. With that being said, people usually choose a 1/2 inch or 1 inch needle for their testosterone since they do intramuscular usually and a 5/16th in needle for their hcg since that’s almost always pinned subcutaneously.
With that being said, the gauges of the needle determine how big the needle is. For the hcg, since it comes out quick, people tend to use 30-31g needles (higher gauge is thinner) and 25-29g needles for their testosterone. The testosterone oil is reportedly incredibly thick though, and therefore something closer to a 29g needle takes like six minutes just to draw out ~.8ml. This is why most people prefer a leur lock.
Hcg is a peptide, meaning that most usually will have to reconstitute it with some kind of liquid. Usually people choose BAC water. Keep in mind there are very few things that are considered correct or safe in the steroid community, which is why most find it important to only use bac water to reconstitute. I have other threads on how people reconstitute and whatnot, so I won’t be covering that. Testosterone usually comes in an oil form unless raws were purchased, and raws are pretty much useless unless the person who bought them really knows what they are doing. With that being said, people usually choose a 1/2 inch or 1 inch needle for their testosterone since they do intramuscular usually and a 5/16th in needle for their hcg since that’s almost always pinned subcutaneously.
With that being said, the gauges of the needle determine how big the needle is. For the hcg, since it comes out quick, people tend to use 30-31g needles (higher gauge is thinner) and 25-29g needles for their testosterone. The testosterone oil is reportedly incredibly thick though, and therefore something closer to a 29g needle takes like six minutes just to draw out ~.8ml. This is why most people prefer a leur lock.
A lot of people choose the glutes or quads or something. But wearewithyou.org.uk shares this image. Obviously nerves and veins and other things are avoided.
This thread took a lot of work so please rep
tags:
@bighoss86 @Jacques0z1 @aionlycycle @elaxbro @low.inhib @masonmog @fuckimuglyshjt @tfd_ltn @LANCEPRETTYBOY @wraith4_3 @oyjah @Sabork @Bengalibro @Phillybeard1996 @lenvoalt @HtnceI
