Complete water retention management for PED users

[zdiaa]

Thought i'd quickly post for those who don't know, as i don't see this topic being talked about as much as others
As follows

AI, preferably anastrozole, as exemestane is more selective for estriol
No AI if using equipoise / primobolan / masteron at an effective ratio
HCTZ 25mg - corrects androgen-driven sodium retention upstream by increasing sodium excretion
Triamterene ~37mg - prevents hyperkalemia from HCTZ, also prevents vasopressin driving sodium reabsorption by inhibiting ENAC
Winstrol 5mg morning & night - Androgens such as testosterone, and its metabolites, estradiol, upregulate vascular endothelial growth factor which ultimately leads to fluid leaking into the interstitium. Winstrol reduces capillary permeability, reducing the leak
Telmisartan - dosed accordingly to blood pressure, if it is still elevated with HCTZ. Blocks angiotensin 2, preventing from the adrenals being stimulated to secrete aldosterone. Mega dosing has some nice benefits as well.
Empagliflozin - Addresses extracellular water retention by excreting excess glucose through urine. Water follows osmotically, effectively pulling it from the extracellular space

This protocol is quite well tolerated for long term use. Dose and drug selection is multifactorial, don't include compounds that are unnecessary. This protocol isn't about making you visibly chiseled, but rather bringing water retention back to a natural baseline. Unless you have favourable genetics, you won't be peaked facially on your blasts

 

[whodoievenbelieve]

I honestly hate the fucking wet look on the first cycle. I've seen influencers that do it and just turn into bloatloards.

Do you think it's fine to do low dose test plus some primo on first cycle or just low dose test. I don't even wanna do HGH either cause I really hate the bloated look. Or am I missing out on too much by not using? I am 19 so maybe some potential for clavicle lengthening but idk.

Currently I just do 50mg eplerenone daily naturally and that seems to keep me from getting bloated if I have my electrolytes managed. But it's really easy to get cramps if I don't have enough sodium

 

[zdiaa]

I honestly hate the fucking wet look on the first cycle. I've seen influencers that do it and just turn into bloatloards.

Do you think it's fine to do low dose test plus some primo on first cycle or just low dose test. I don't even wanna do HGH either cause I really hate the bloated look. Or am I missing out on too much by not using? I am 19 so maybe some potential for clavicle lengthening but idk.

Currently I just do 50mg eplerenone daily naturally and that seems to keep me from getting bloated if I have my electrolytes managed. But it's really easy to get cramps if I don't have enough sodium

i havne't seen much positive anecdotes from eplerenone, though i personally haven't tried it. I rarely rarely get mineral balance / sides from this stack
I am the same with the bloating on cycle, and yes, for me its the only con with GH. To be honest, unless you're running >~750mg, GH is largely redundant. Contrarily, 1.5-2iu per 250mg weekly is very high ROI during a bulk and cut. But yeah, if you're planning on low doses, don't bother

About the test / primo, low doses to prevent water retention significantly, however my logic is to tank the bloat and get your blasts done with. I would rather do this protocol (which i personally use) to somewhat bring bloat near baseline, and get the mass gaining done with, to be later primed with an added physique halo

 

[whodoievenbelieve]

Isn't 1.5-2iu daily really little. I'm not sure if that would promote any clavicle growth for me which would be the only reason why I would want to run GH at 19 besides the nutrient partitioning benefits. Yeah ur comment about the blasts getting done with makes sense but I work jobs where my appearance is pretty important as a martial arts instructor so If I show up like a balloon I will hate my life lol. I was thinking a cycle where I could make dry gains despite it being bad for my health with a lot of ancillaries would be a better approach? Or is it retarded.

 

[zdiaa]

Isn't 1.5-2iu daily really little. I'm not sure if that would promote any clavicle growth for me which would be the only reason why I would want to run GH at 19 besides the nutrient partitioning benefits.

1.5-2iu per 250mg. so if your running 1000mg test that would be 6-8ius

For clavicle growth, 6iu nighly is the highest ROI because at that dose IGF-1 hepatic secretion is peaked before GH->IGF-1 diminishes
Also, primobolan isn't suitable as an "AI" for preventing plate closure. Leo on longevity spoke about this in his video on primobolan i believe. So if you're wanting to prolong plate closure, i would use another method. Although at the low doses you were talking about, it probably is negligible

 

[whodoievenbelieve]

1.5-2iu per 250mg. so if your running 1000mg test that would be 6-8ius

For clavicle growth, 6iu nighly is the highest ROI because at that dose IGF-1 hepatic secretion is peaked before GH->IGF-1 diminishes
Also, primobolan isn't suitable as an "AI" for preventing plate closure. Leo on longevity spoke about this in his video on primobolan i believe. So if you're wanting to prolong plate closure, i would use another method. Although at the low doses you were talking about, it probably is negligible

Do u really need to have that ratio with test and gh? I just wanted to run lower test like 250-300 for less bloat then maybe 6iu hgh or will the bloat be virtually the same if I run higher test. Like is it mainly the GH or the higher test that's gonna give me that balloon look.

Also can't have the yam growing even fucking more on Gh. Realistically how much will my clavs even grow on cycle with HGH? I just wanted the wider look because I do have pretty brutal clavs. If I just run like 250-300 test and some primo for more dry gains will it even do anything or is it super low ROI?

I'm just asking if I need to go all out for the measurable clav gains and embrace the bloat then on a later cycle go completely dry on low dose test and higher dosed dry compounds, or can I just keep doing conservative dry cycles for life. Sorry for all these genuinely retarded questions I dont know much about gear use yet.

 

[zdiaa]

Do u really need to have that ratio with test and gh? I just wanted to run lower test like 250-300 for less bloat then maybe 6iu hgh or will the bloat be virtually the same if I run higher test. Like is it mainly the GH or the higher test that's gonna give me that balloon look.

Also can't have the yam growing even fucking more on Gh. Realistically how much will my clavs even grow on cycle with HGH? I just wanted the wider look because I do have pretty brutal clavs. If I just run like 250-300 test and some primo for more dry gains will it even do anything or is it super low ROI?

I'm just asking if I need to go all out for the measurable clav gains and embrace the bloat then on a later cycle go completely dry on low dose test and higher dosed dry compounds, or can I just keep doing conservative dry cycles for life. Sorry for all these genuinely retarded questions I dont know much about gear use yet.

it's just the highest ROI combination for maximizing hepatic igf-1
you can run higher without the combo, its synergy is jsut reduced
if i were you were i'd tank the bloat and accept not being primed for the time being. Getting two good cycles done with and then running dry low doses is great