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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
GROOMING
UPPER EYELID EXPOSURE
STRUCTURAL RECESSION
FRAUDING
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
GROOMING
UPPER EYELID EXPOSURE
STRUCTURAL RECESSION
FRAUDING
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
Introduction:
This thread has taken me a VERY long time of research, trial and error. And it's going to be very very long. I'm gonna go in deep detail so the iqlets have NO RIGHT to ask ANY questions from here on out.
From grooming up until medical intervention, there are absolutely no hardmaxxes. I myself have done no hardmaxxes either.
Even if you believe it's unimpressive, it doesn't refute my information regardless.
Best of luck to you all.
Also i used AI to generate some of these images, sorry if they look off.
This thread has taken me a VERY long time of research, trial and error. And it's going to be very very long. I'm gonna go in deep detail so the iqlets have NO RIGHT to ask ANY questions from here on out.
From grooming up until medical intervention, there are absolutely no hardmaxxes. I myself have done no hardmaxxes either.
Even if you believe it's unimpressive, it doesn't refute my information regardless.
Best of luck to you all.
Also i used AI to generate some of these images, sorry if they look off.
HOWTORECOGNIZE
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FAILOS
This is the part where most greys fail, then they end up making a stupid thread in the wrong section asking how to ascend and what's wrong with their eye area. You have to look at your eye area and recognize two things; structural and non-structural failos.
NON-STRUCTURAL
- UNGROOMED EYEBROWS ➔ No matter how good you look, eyebrows are a make or break.
Left one is obviously the ideal, if yours look anything like the other two photos, or maybe slightly thinner than the 2nd photo, you've got work to do. - THINLASHES ➔ Lashes also shape the structure of the eye beautifully, and you could also grow them to give off the illusion of less UEE and a more positively perceived canthal tilt.
FATAL STAT: Thin eyelashes bump the eye area down by 4 points , even if you have the rest of your stats maxed out. It's a fairly easy fix, and very high ROI.
DISCOLORATION ➔ Scleral/undereye discoloration is common, typical causes are uneven melanocyte activity, inflamed scleral blood vessels, structural recession and/or lack of fat padding.
Please for the love of god, before you jump to the conclusion that you just have discoloration by melanin, check for structural recession/lack of fat padding first.
An easy way to find out is by pinching your undereyes and dragging them, if the discoloration doesn't disappear; it's structural recession/lack of fat. If it's the latter; it's discoloration.
STRUCTURAL
Now that we've wrapped things up, make a quick list of your failos and buckle up, time to get to work
GROOMING
"Guys does topical minoxidil work? what does castor oil do? does rosemary work? Why am i so retarded? How do i style my eyebrows? FAUUUKK"
MINOXIDIL/BIMATOPROST
...the big boys.
↳ Forms & Breakdown
Minoxidil comes in TWO main forms, each with completely different tracking, ease of use, and cosmetic yields, while Bimatoprost comes in eyedrops.
- UEE(UPPEREYELIDEXPOSURE) ➔ This is sort of a mixed situation here; your eyelids may just sit higher, muscles may be overactive, or lack of upper eyelid fat padding.
If your eyelids look anything like the first picture, you might have to put some work in. - RECESSEDINFRAORBITALS ➔ Pretty common recession, very brutal but you can compensate with soft tissue to an extent. Easily fixed without going under the knife.
Take a picture from the side, if you look anything like this (excluding the bulging eye part), you're recessed. Could also be maxillary projection, but it's safe to assume its recession granted most people have infraorbital recession anyways. - SUPRAORBITALRECESSION ➔ Supraorbitals play an extremely strong part in giving you a dimorphic, masculine side profile. A strong brow ridge gives off alertness, and deepens the eye area.
If you look anything like the left image, you've got some work to do. Weak brow ridge = feminine side profile. - CANTHALTILT ➔ The angle of your outer eye corner. A positive tilt is perceived as more alert and friendly, while a negative tilt is perceived as sad and flat. This is arguably the most brutal structural failo.
Having a downturned canthal tilt permanently locks you out of HTN land, unfortunately unfixable without surgery. Could be frauded to an extent. - PALPEBRALFISSURE ➔ The almond-shaped opening between the upper and lower eyelids, defined by the medial and lateral canthi and supported by the tarsal plates of the eyelids.
A short PFL gives off a prey, weak look. Very brutal ratio as it's unfixable and none of you would ever handle such surgery to fix it.
Now that we've wrapped things up, make a quick list of your failos and buckle up, time to get to work
GROOMING
"Guys does topical minoxidil work? what does castor oil do? does rosemary work? Why am i so retarded? How do i style my eyebrows? FAUUUKK"
MINOXIDIL/BIMATOPROST
...the big boys.
Minoxidil: a topical vasodilator that works by widening blood vessels and opening potassium channels in the scalp, increasing blood flow and nutrient delivery directly to the hair follicles, effectively revitalizing shrunken follicles, extending their growth phase, and stimulating new hair production over consistent use.
Bimatoprost: A prostaglandin analogue, while originally a glaucoma drug, dermatologists repurposed for cosmetic use after patients kept reporting unexpected hair growth on the applied areas.
Bimatoprost: A prostaglandin analogue, while originally a glaucoma drug, dermatologists repurposed for cosmetic use after patients kept reporting unexpected hair growth on the applied areas.
↳ Forms & Breakdown
Minoxidil comes in TWO main forms, each with completely different tracking, ease of use, and cosmetic yields, while Bimatoprost comes in eyedrops.
- A ) ORAL MINOXIDIL
- ▪ Dosage: 2.5–5mg every day MAX
- ▪ Side Effects: Fluid retention, which leads to primarily every other side effect. Take 50-100mg of eplerenone everyday to mitigate.
- ▪ Aesthetic Outcome: Extensive hair growth in all parts of the body (eye area included which is EXACTLY what we want).
- Personal Rating: 10/10 — Honestly, very consistent growth, the sides are manageable, and it's awesome.
- B ) TOPICAL MINOXIDIL
- ▪ Dosage: Usually comes in 5%; doesn't really matter much since more ≠ better.
- ▪ Side Effects: (Insert side effects here) (mods please this is a joke don't take my post down).
- ▪ Aesthetic Outcome: Not a whole lot. It usually gets diluted by the time you apply it, and it's pretty difficult to get it on your eyelashes and eyebrows. The results are very, very slow despite having the same scientific effect as oral (oral has more significant absorption).
- Personal Rating: 4/10 — I honestly wouldn't waste my time with it; it's a pain in the ass to apply.
- C ) BIMATOPROST
- ▪ Dosage: Comes in eyedrops, concentration is known and fixed; more /= better.
- Side Effects: Patients reported preorbital fat loss after application around the eye area, I'd be careful using it long term if i were you.
- ▪ Aesthetic Outcome: Intense hair growth around the desired area (usually the eyelashes/brows, still; I'd be careful with latisse regardless).
- Personal Rating: 8/10 — Kinda risky and not usually utilized long term.
- A ) ORAL MINOXIDIL
GROWTHSERUMSOILS
Not a huge fan of OTC enhancement.
- A ) SERUMS
- ▪ Direction of Application scraps: Usually applied with a spoolie, although some come in droppers.
- ▪ Aesthetic Outcome: Moderate amount of hair growth in applied area.
- Personal Rating: 7/10 — Good, rapid predictable growth but it stops after a period of time. I would personally recommend getting the ones with spoolies.
- B ) OILS
- ▪ Oils that (supposedly) work: Castor Oil, Rosemary Oil
- ▪ Direction of Application: Usually with a dropper bottle.
- Aesthetic Outcome: FUCKING NOTHING, THEYRE ALL ASS.
- Personal Rating: 0/10 — NO growth, NO effects, no NOTHING. The only thing you get is placebo that you're getting growth but in reality the application of heavy oils is making your eyebrows look thicker, theyre genuinely terrible. Do not waste your time on this bullshit.
- A ) SERUMS
↳ Styling Breakdown
Styling and directional grooming are just as critical as the growth protocols.
- A ) EYEBROWS
- ▪ Application Technique: Whenever applying any of these OTC serums with a spoolie, brush the tail of the eyebrows UPWARDS, and brush the rest of the eyebrow in a STRAIGHT LINE LIGHT. The eyebrow arch needs to be brushed upwards as well.
- ▪ Cosmetic Illusion: If you wish, apply any thick oil before you go outside to give off the illusion that your eyebrows are thicker (even though they don't actually enhance hair growth structurally).
- ▪ Grooming: I'd personally go and get it done at a professional salon, but you can do it at home if you want. Just protect the skin around your eyebrows properly with hyaluronic acid and a proper moisturizer before you do anything rash with an eyebrow razor.
- B ) EYELASHES
- ▪ Grooming Direction: Same thing—brush them upwards with a spoolie every single time you get the chance to.
- ▪ Serum Focus: If you're applying serums, emphasize on the LOWER lashes. They are a lot more important than you think.
- ▪ Mechanical Styling: Use an eyelash curler, but be extremely careful—you don't want to rip your eyelashes out accidentally. [B>(A MUST)[/B]
- Lash Lift: A cosmetic procedure that curls and lifts your natural eyelashes to create a voluminous appearance. It is a semi-permanent treatment that enhances your existing lashes without adding synthetic fibers, resulting in a wide-eyed, natural look.
- A ) EYEBROWS
WHAT NOT TO DO:
UPPEREYELIDEXPOSURE
Retarded grey: "Guys how do i get rid of uee? Guys please someone answer
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Even more retarded grey: "Just get upper eyelid fat graft + blepharo + cantho + orbital box osteotomy kid."
Retarded grey: "Guys how do i get rid of uee? Guys please someone answer
"Even more retarded grey: "Just get upper eyelid fat graft + blepharo + cantho + orbital box osteotomy kid."
UEEDEFECTANALYSIS
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An in-depth breakdown of what triggers a UEE defect and how to correct it:
WHAT CAUSES UEE?
- Aging: As individuals age, the skin loses elasticity, and the muscles supporting the eyelids weaken. This can lead to an upward displacement of the upper eyelid, causing it to sit higher than normal.
- Allergies and Inflammation: Chronic allergies or inflammation around the eyes can cause swelling and constant irritation.
- Genetics: GG's — nah not really, it's still fixable, just a lot harder.
- Medication: Certain medications like Isotretinoin (Accutane) have been directly associated with triggering UEE.
- Sleep: Dogshit sleep leads to dogshit UEE. Common sense i suppose.
HOW DO YOU FIX UEE?
- 1. Chronic Inflammation Management
- Most of yall niggas are walking around looking like Mrs. Puff with big ass swollen eyelids and you don't even know it.
- Treatment Protocol:
➔ Retinoids: A small amount of retinoids around the eyelid every 2 days (or whatever your skin can handle), applied carefully. Do NOT overdo it. (Ex: Tretinoin / Tazarotene / Adapalene)
➔ Proper diet: Stop eating like fucking goycattle nigga, no shit you're gonna look like a retarded horse if all you eat is industrial slop. Eat properly fool.
- 2. Fat Padding Architecture
- More volume on the upper eyelid usually leads to less UEE. Plenty of ways you can combat this:
- ➔ Volufiline: Promotes fat cells to hold lipids in the deepest part of the skin, and the maturation of fat cells. (6/10)
➔ Matrixyl 3000: Promotes collagen production from the inside out, removes lines, and plumps the desired area. I used this in combination with Panthenol cream. (7/10)
➔ Vitamin C Serum: Pretty overrated by capitalist bums, doesn't usually do a whole lot if you have chronic smoker eyebags. Wouldn't recommend. (4/10)
➔ Rosiglitazone: Oral antidiabetic medication that improves insulin sensitivity to help manage type 2 diabetes. Improves fibrosis and enhances local adipogenesis.
A solution of 10mg/ml to your eyelids everyday for the course of 6–8 weeks shows significant results. However, there is a risk of toxicity if you miscalculate. (HIGH ROI)
- 1. Chronic Inflammation Management
WHAT NOT TO DO:
STRUCTURALRECESSION
"There's no way he also has a fix for this. My infras are deathly recessed and my supras suck!"
Let's take a look at what I'll be referring to rq first.
ORBITALBONEMATRIX
THE ORBITAL ROLE
- Infraorbitals: Dictates forward depth and midface fullness. A well-developed infraorbital rim leaves no room for hollow eye bags.
- Supraorbitals: Developed supraorbitals equal improved hooding. This region plays a key role in sexual dimorphism and directly synergizes with UEE (stronger supraorbitals give off the illusion of less UEE).
INFRAORBITALS: SOFT TISSUE COMPENSATION- Platelet-Rich Fibrin / Plasma (PRF/PRP): This is the primary factor and what I mostly relied on to try and get more infraorbital support. It's cheap and effective. HOWEVER, you need to be highly consistent with it and it's a pain in the ass to go through.
- Personal Rating: 8/10 — Definitely noticeable results and what I worked with the most.
THEDIYPRPPROTOCOLREQUIRED EQUIPMENT:
1. 10ml ACD-A Tube (~$1.75)
2. Butterfly Needle
3. 10ml Syringe
4. 2x 1ml Insulin Syringes
5. Alcohol Swabs + Lidocaine[/CODE]
]THE STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS
Step 1: Extract a sample of blood using your butterfly needle.
➔ Step 2: Squirt the blood directly into your ACD-A tube.
➔ Step 3: Visit your local research lab (with your needles) and ask the technician for a centrifuge spin at3000RPM for 10 minutes(or just buy a centrifuge of your own if you'd like to repeat this protocol later). Take the vial near a bathroom WITHOUT SHAKING IT and use a blunt needle to extract the plasma right then and there.
➔ Step 4: Go home, squirt the plasma into your 1ml insulin needles, enter at a 15–30 degree angle under the skin, and pop one every 1–2cm.[/CODE]
SUPRAORBITALS:BONESMASHING
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Subperiosteal Hematoma Formation: We all know what bonesmashing is; yes it's real.- Target Zones: Personally, I've had no results with smashing infraorbitals, but the results on supraorbitals are quick and highly noticeable.
- Routine Mechanics: Hammer TWICE a day. Light-medium hits in the morning for 2–3 minutes (or until it swells). Medium-slightly hard hits at night for the exact same duration.
- Ancillaries & Regimen: Aspirin (risky), cilostazol, pentoxifylline.
➔ 75mg of Aspirin every other day
➔ Cilostazol 100mg every other day
➔ Pentoxifylline 400mg every other day
ONLY TAKE ONE AT A TIME!!! - CRITICAL WARNING: Be incredibly careful of HYPHEMA. Hammering the supraorbitals for too long can cause blood to pool into the anterior chamber of the iris, putting you in extreme agony and turning your iris entirely red.
Reviewing the structural limits.
MAKEUP
"Frauding? Like makeup and shit? Hell no man! I'd rather stay an LTN, too masculine for that dood."
COSMETICENHANCEMENT
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You shouldn't be ashamed of using makeup unless you're restricted by your fragile masculinity. If you've come this far you probably want to reach extensive measures anyways
ELITE PRODUCT BREAKDOWN- 1. BBCREAM
Short for beauty balm or blemish balm, this is a versatile cosmetic product that combines skincare benefits with makeup coverage.
➔ Hydration: Provides crucial moisture directly to the skin.
➔ Sun Protection: Contains SPF to protect against UV degradation.
➔ Light Coverage: Conceals structural imperfections like blemishes and redness.
➔ Application Protocol: Usually you're gonna want to apply it over your infraorbitals and near your outer eye corner to give off the illusion of increased bone projection. You can also apply it wherever else you'd like, just my suggestion. - 2. EYELINER
A cosmetic used to define and enhance the eyes, creating contrast, altering eye shape, and making eyes appear significantly more expressive.
➔ Application Protocol: You don't want it to be TOO obvious. Apply in small amounts near your eyelashes (on the skin) to make it seem effortless. - 3. MASCARA
A cosmetic used to define and enhance the eyelashes; subtle, yet gives a massive natural and expressive boost to the overall gaze.
➔ Application Protocol: Again, not too much. Emphasize on your lower eyelashes and the corner of your eyes—I promise they boost your eye area by at least 10 points. - 4. EYEBROWPENCIL
A precision cosmetic tool used to fill in gaps, define edges, and structurally mimic natural hair strands on sparse brows.
➔ Application Protocol: Use light, feather-like upward strokes along the sparse gaps of your brow ridge. Focus on sharpening the tail without creating heavy blocky shapes. - 5. BROWBEARDDYE
A semi-permanent chemical tinting agent utilized to darken light or translucent vellus hairs, creating a visually denser look.
➔ Application Protocol: Mix and apply carefully with a micro-spoolie solely onto the body of the brow. Leave it on for strictly 3–5 minutes max to avoid a cartoonish dye stamp before washing off completely. - 6. BROWGEL
A clear or tinted setting polymer designed to lock unruly eyebrow hairs firmly into a structurally sculpted upward orientation all day.
➔ Application Protocol: Swipe the setting wand through the hairs in a strict upward-and-outward vector right after grooming to maximize vertical thickness. - 7. COLOREDCONTACTLENSES
Optical prosthetics used to completely alter iris pigmentation patterns, manipulate perceived limbal ring contrast, and enhance gaze depth.
➔ Application Protocol: Opt exclusively for lenses with high-transparency blending layers and a soft, dark limbal ring. Ensure strict sanitation rules during insertion to prevent severe irritation defects.
Wow, i get it now, time to go outside with a face full of makeup. Love you to death kid.
- Platelet-Rich Fibrin / Plasma (PRF/PRP): This is the primary factor and what I mostly relied on to try and get more infraorbital support. It's cheap and effective. HOWEVER, you need to be highly consistent with it and it's a pain in the ass to go through.
MEDICAL INTERVENTION:
road ends.
If you've reached this point, you're already too far gone. Maybe consider therapy? road ends.
SURGICAL INTERVENTION
The final frontier. If everything else fails, you slice the face open. These are high-impact, permanent structural alterations. They carry severe, life-altering risks, astronomical costs, and extreme agony. Proceed at your own peril.
The final frontier. If everything else fails, you slice the face open. These are high-impact, permanent structural alterations. They carry severe, life-altering risks, astronomical costs, and extreme agony. Proceed at your own peril.
- 1. LeFort I Osteotomy
"Moves the maxilla forward."- Pros: Improved undereye support, stronger midface projection, structural cheek support under the eyes.
- Cons: Severe nerve damage, permanent numbness, malocclusion, massive facial swelling, breathing alterations.
- Price Range: $15,000 – $40,000+
- Recovery Timeline: 6–12 months for complete bone healing; initial swelling drops by week 6.
- Recovery Protocol: Strict liquid-to-soft diet for 6 weeks to avoid shifting bones, aggressive jaw physical therapy, and zero high-impact activity.
- 2. LeFort II / III Osteotomy
"Extremely reconstructive, usually not for cosmetic purposes."- Pros: Total orbital rim reconstruction, corrected eye prominence, extreme midface advancement.
- Cons: High risk of blindness, cerebrospinal fluid leaks, permanent skull disfigurement, lethal complications.
- Price Range: $30,000 – $80,000+
- Recovery Timeline: 9–12+ months. Extended hospital monitoring usually required post-op.
- Recovery Protocol: Intensive ICU tracking, complete head immobilization, strict infection control protocols, and total avoidance of any nasal pressure or blowing.
- 3. Orbital Rim Augmentation
"Direct orbital bone reconstruction."- Alters: Eye prominence, total infraorbital depth, and skeletal eye sockets.
- Cons: Implant migration, chronic infection, foreign body rejection, visible hardware edges, nerve blindness.
- Price Range: $8,000 – $18,000+
- Recovery Timeline: 3–6 months for tissue integration and hardware settling.
- Recovery Protocol: High-dose course of antibiotics to protect custom implants, zero pressure on cheeks, and sleeping strictly elevated.
- 4. Lower Blepharoplasty
"Targets lower eyelids."- Can Improve: Severe eye bags, excess under-eye skin, and hereditary fat protrusion.
- Cons: Ectropion (eyelid turning inside out), chronic dry eye, hollowed appearance, asymmetrical scleral show.
- Price Range: $3,500 – $8,000+
- Recovery Timeline: 2–3 weeks for social presentation; 2 months for deep tissues to soften completely.
- Recovery Protocol: Aggressive icing to limit local bruising, regular application of lubricating eye drops, and zero heavy lifting to block internal vascular bleeding.
- 5. Upper Blepharoplasty
"Targets upper eyelids."- Can Improve: Severe hooding, sagging tissues, and excess upper lid skin overhanging the gaze.
- Cons: Inability to fully close eyes (lagophthalmos), corneal ulcers, severe visible scarring, asymmetrical lid crease.
- Price Range: $3,000 – $7,000+
- Recovery Timeline: 7–14 days for surface incision stitch removal; 6 weeks for scars to flatten.
- Recovery Protocol: Diligent ointment application on incision lines, zero rubbing or manipulating eyelids, and wearing dark UV sunglasses outdoors.
- 6. Canthoplasty
"Tightens or repositions the outer eye corner."- Can Affect: Direct positive canthal tilt, overall eye shape, and crucial lower eyelid tension support.
- Cons: Webbing of the outer corner, complete loss of natural almond eye shape, rounding of the eyes, severe asymmetry.
- Price Range: $4,000 – $9,000+
- Recovery Timeline: 3–4 weeks for structural stability; several months for structural tendon tightness to relax into normal movement.
- Recovery Protocol: Total restriction of side-eye squinting or horizontal eye stretching, maintaining pristine clean outer eye corners, and keeping sleep completely centered.
- 7. Canthopexy
"Less invasive version of canthoplasty."- Pros: Improved structural eyelid support, stabilizing the position without cutting tendons.
- Cons: High relapse rate, suture spitting, very temporary results, localized stitch granulomas.
- Price Range: $2,500 – $5,500+
- Recovery Timeline: 1–2 weeks; significantly lower downtime due to preserved underlying tendon architecture.
- Recovery Protocol: Standard post-op swelling care, minimal facial movement patterns, and avoiding heavy physical exertion during primary healing weeks.
- 8. Ptosis Repair
"Raises a drooping upper eyelid."- Pros: Eliminates a sleepy gaze, immediately raises the eyelid to make eyes appear highly alert.
- Cons: Extreme overcorrection (staring look), uneven lid height, persistent dry eye, chronic twitching.
- Price Range: $4,000 – $9,500+
- Recovery Timeline: 2–4 weeks for initial height stabilization; up to 6 months for definitive symmetry mapping.
- Recovery Protocol: Aggressive protective ointment regimens at night to shield dry corneas, drop monitoring routines, and scheduled symmetry reassessments with the surgeon.
There is obviously a lot more out there; these represent the most high-impact and highest ROI surgical options available.
Glad you made it to the end, thank you to everyone that was interested in my thread and wanted me to tag them.
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