Could I reach htn with these surgeries?

[teno]

Otoplasty, canthoplasty, lower blepharoplasty, lipcornerlift
I would rather not do implants

 

[lurking truecel]

Not with those eyes and lips, you will be authist untill forever. Stop posting your face here now, u are not a surgery candidate even

 

[WonkyChin186]

no

 

[teno]

Not with those eyes and lips, you will be authist untill forever. Stop posting your face here now, u are not a surgery candidate even

how am i not a surgery candidate?

 

[iwishicouldbediff]

Maybe

 

[teno]

Not with those eyes and lips

thats why i meantioned eyes and lip surgery

 

[lurking truecel]

how am i not a surgery candidate?

No surgeon would see the problems you have, you need mutliple surgeries stacked together tl get some sort of harmony change which isnt that possible. Also lips surgeries is almost none exsistent, so there are not really many options.

 

[teno]

No surgeon would see the problems you have, you need mutliple surgeries stacked together tl get some sort of harmony change which isnt that possible. Also lips surgeries is almost none exsistent, so there are not really many options.

wdym, a positively tilted eye are with no sceleral show would improve my harmony its not rocket science
i get the stuff with lip surgeries, tell me my options then, what would you do if you were in my shoes

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

wdym, a positively tilted eye are with no sceleral show would improve my harmony its not rocket science
i get the stuff with lip surgeries, tell me my options then, what would you do if you were in my shoes

rhino and eye area work would improve ur looks

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

its not rocket science

if its not, then why r u making 100000 posts asking the same thing? We can’t predict what you will look like after the surgeries. You’ve been provided enough info, you’ve talked the talk and now if you want to go through with everything, it’s time to walk the walk.

 

[teno]

rhino and eye area work would improve ur looks

my nose is crooked and has a too wide alar base right? i noticed that

 

[teno]

if its not, then why r u making 100000 posts asking the same thing? We can’t predict what you will look like after the surgeries. You’ve been provided enough info, you’ve talked the talk and now if you want to go through with everything, it’s time to walk the walk.

i mean everyone is just saying different things, but you are right

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

i mean everyone is just saying different things, but you are right

So by making more threads ur hoping that eventually people will start saying the same things? Ofc some 14 yo grey would recommend you bimax or some other shit that you would not need.

Start with ur lower eyelids and nose. You could look into fat grafting aswell IN MY OPINION.

 

[lurking truecel]

wdym, a positively tilted eye are with no sceleral show would improve my harmony its not rocket science
i get the stuff with lip surgeries, tell me my options then, what would you do if you were in my shoes

your eyes looks more weird then obv negative tilt and schleral show. Surgery would be fixing micro stuff to improve the overall attractivness. Many surgeons will not do this, esp the good ones

 

[teno]

your eyes looks more weird then obv negative tilt and schleral show. Surgery would be fixing micro stuff to improve the overall attractivness. Many surgeons will not do this, esp the good ones

specify weird, so you are saying no surgeon could fix my eye area?

 

[lurking truecel]

specify weird, so you are saying no surgeon could fix my eye area?

you will never have a good one or good lips

 

[zemult]

you will never have a good one or good lips

Over

 

[stigmaboy]

lmao maybe if you get surgery to become a different person entirely. even then good luck, it's over for most of us fr.

 

[teno]

lmao maybe if you get surgery to become a different person entirely. even then good luck, it's over for most of us fr.

Someone made a morph of me and somehow I still look retarted I feel like my facial harmony is completely off, but I can’t even pinpoint what it is. it really is over.

 

[vermicel]

Someone made a morph of me and somehow I still look retarted I feel like my facial harmony is completely off, but I can’t even pinpoint what it is. it really is over.

From top to bottom of the face :
> softmaxxing the eyebrows with minoxidil + microneedling, primarily in order to reduce inter-eyebrow spacing
> periorbital fat grafting + canthoplasty
> otoplasty
> rhinoplasty : tip refinement, columella refinement, reduction of nostril flare, alar base reduction
> lip lift + lip corner lift
> filler to square the chin off

Other softmaxxes :
> leaning out to increase facial definition ; if not enough, consider fat dissolvers.
> mole removal
> skin care to improve skin texture (tazarotene, tretinoin, etc.)

Other softmaxxes not simulated in this morph :
> better haircut with some coloring experimentation (e.g. blonder highlights, or, the opposite, darker shade of brown)
> dyeing your eyebrows and eyelashes in a darker shade
> Latisse/bimatoprost to grow thicker and longer eyelashes
> some degree of tanning

Now is time to move on to consultations with surgeons. You said in another thread that you were "debating" the possibility of a consultation with Rattinan. That sounded very faggoty. Those consultations won't commit you in any way to undergo surgeries. But they will certainly give you a better grasp of what's possible, so you can then plan things accordingly (or give up the idea of hardmaxxing entirely). By the way, consult other oculoplastic surgeons but Rattinan's if you actually want some valuable insights.

As laid out above, I think there may be a way for you to improve your looks significantly. However, it won't be a "one and done" thing. You'll have to lock in and fully commit. It will take some time and some money (that you may not have right now) to get there.

 

[teno]

Wow, that’s exactly what I needed, thank you! Now I really don’t have any excuses left. And yes, you’re right, talking about surgeries all the time but never actually going through with them is the easy part.

 

[Jgns]

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From top to bottom of the face :
> softmaxxing the eyebrows with minoxidil + microneedling, primarily in order to reduce inter-eyebrow spacing
> periorbital fat grafting + canthoplasty
> otoplasty
> rhinoplasty : tip refinement, columella refinement, reduction of nostril flare, alar base reduction
> lip lift + lip corner lift
> filler to square the chin off

Other softmaxxes :
> leaning out to increase facial definition ; if not enough, consider fat dissolvers.
> mole removal
> skin care to improve skin texture (tazarotene, tretinoin, etc.)

Other softmaxxes not simulated in this morph :
> better haircut with some coloring experimentation (e.g. blonder highlights, or, the opposite, darker shade of brown)
> dyeing your eyebrows and eyelashes in a darker shade
> Latisse/bimatoprost to grow thicker and longer eyelashes
> some degree of tanning

Now is time to move on to consultations with surgeons. You said in another thread that you were "debating" the possibility of a consultation with Rattinan. That sounded very faggoty. Those consultations won't commit you in any way to undergo surgeries. But they will certainly give you a better grasp of what's possible, so you can then plan things accordingly (or give up the idea of hardmaxxing entirely). By the way, consult other oculoplastic surgeons but Rattinan's if you actually want some valuable insights.

As laid out above, I think there may be a way for you to improve your looks significantly. However, it won't be a "one and done" thing. You'll have to lock in and fully commit. It will take some time and some money (that you may not have right now) to get there.

fire job on giving this guy lifefuel. holy fuck the replys above were just broo'al lmao. id say thats a solid lhtn at max maybe im overrating but he looks really good in the morph

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Bullhorn lip lift obvi. You do not need a corner lift.
Otoplasty, self explinatory
Nose doesn't justify much work, you could do a tipplasty thou.
Maybe LL repair or cantho since your tilts flat and you have some laxity, theres no reason to do a lower blepharoplasty.

You can try fat grafting but your midface doesn't have much support so how it'll age id.

Most these things are maybe/boarder line other then the lip lift and oto. So the actual improvement your going to get on this is somewhat muted.

 

[vermicel]

Wow, that’s exactly what I needed, thank you! Now I really don’t have any excuses left. And yes, you’re right, talking about surgeries all the time but never actually going through with them is the easy part.

Yeah, it's looksmax.org, not daydream.org or procrastinate.org, so, at some point, you have to take concrete action to improve your looks, or else you're wasting your time here (and anyone's willing to interact with you).

Where in Europe are you located ? You said in another thread that you were close to the Italian border, so I assume you may be from France, Switzerland, or Slovenia. You look like a Swiss to me, but I could be wrong. That would be a good thing though, as you could quickly save the money (if you don't have it already), even by working a shitty job locally.

Let's sum up your course of action :

start softmaxxing right now.
Get some minoxidil 5 % and a microneedling tool (ideally the Derminator 2, but a plain dermastamp will do). Expect your eyebrows to significantly improve after 6 months of consistent use, although that may occur earlier if you are a so-called hyper responder. Consistency is key anyway. Apply minoxidil twice a day, and microneedle once a week (let the micro-wounds heal 12-24 hours prior to re-applying minoxidil). Once you have reached the desired results, you could probably maintain them with one application every day or every other day (instead of twice a day).
Order Latisse/bimatoprost online. Apply it daily. You should grow significantly longer and denser eyelashes within 3 months. Once you have reached that goal, maintain the results with 2-3 weekly applications.
Order tazarotene/tretinoin online (e.g. Indiamart) if getting it prescribed by your local MD/dermatologist will take too long or might be difficult. Your skin texture will improve within 1-3 months.
Get a dyeing kit for facial hair, in a shade darker than your natural color. Apply it to your eyebrows and eyelashed, and enjoy immediate results.
Find a competent hair stylist & colorist in your area. Accept the idea of paying more for a better job than your usual plain cut. It might take a little bit of time to really nail the style and color. You'll get immediate results anyway.
Book an appointment with a local dermatologist to get rid of moles / beauty marks. This procedure may be partially covered by your national healthcare system, depending on your location. Immediate results. If you manage to book an appointment shortly and if you know this dermatologist to be relatively blackpilled/aesthetics-oriented, you could rely on him to prescribe minoxidil, Latisse, and tazarotene/tretinoin. Otherwise, just do as previously suggested, order everything online.
Lean out. You're not fat, obviously. So a little could go a long way. Instead of starving yourself, try to increase your physical activity ; not necessarily with gymcelling ; favor whatever you may actually enjoy (walking, climbing, swimming, playing football/tennis/etc.) and may pursue long term.

Book a round of surgical consultations right now. You can test the waters with online consults, but you should ideally attend in-person meetings to make the assessments much more reliable.
1-2 maxillofacial surgeons or ENT for the ears.
1-2 plastic surgeons for filler injection (chin).
2-3 oculoplastic surgeons for the eye area.
3+ plastic surgeons for the nose.
2-3 plastic surgeons for the lips. Probably not the same guys as for the nose, because you ideally want surgeons who have specialized in certain procedures and have proven to excel at them. But if you find plastic surgeons who are good at both rhinoplasty and lip lift (and fillers), then that's obviously fine and more practical.

A few months down the road, you should know what to do, and whom to do it with. Depending on your available budget, that's when you could book surgeries.
You could proceed in this order :
1) chin filler — full results within 1-4 weeks — 300-600€ budget
2) otoplasty — full results after 1 month — 2000-3000€ budget (can be covered by national healthcare & insurance)
3) rhinoplasty — full results after 12 months — 5000-8000€ budget
4) oculoplastics + fat grafting — full results after a few months — 3000-6000€ budget
5) lip lift — full results after a few months (for scar healing, mostly) — 3000-5000€ budget

To accommodate recovery and funds, you could spread all these procedures over a period of 12-24 months.
If everything goes well and no revision is needed, you'll be done afterwards, with the exception of filler upkeep.

So, all in all, softmaxxing will deliver most of the results within 3 months, costing you a few hundreds in the process. While hardmaxxing could be completed within ~24 months, on a budget of roughly 14-23K€ (depending on who you go to). Not too bad !

While we're at it, here are morphs of your side profiles :

They show the collateral benefits of surgeries aiming to fix primarily the front profile, as laid out in my previous post.

fire job on giving this guy lifefuel. holy fuck the replys above were just broo'al lmao. id say thats a solid lhtn at max maybe im overrating but he looks really good in the morph

Now imagine if he can achieve a similar result, and you top it off with all the softmaxxes that aren't depicted in the morph (better hair style and color, facial hair dyeing, longer eyelashes, a moderate tan).

 

[teno]

Yeah, it's looksmax.org, not daydream.org or procrastinate.org, so, at some point, you have to take concrete action to improve your looks, or else you're wasting your time here (and anyone's willing to interact with you).

Where in Europe are you located ? You said in another thread that you were close to the Italian border, so I assume you may be from France, Switzerland, or Slovenia. You look like a Swiss to me, but I could be wrong. That would be a good thing though, as you could quickly save the money (if you don't have it already), even by working a shitty job locally.

Let's sum up your course of action :

start softmaxxing right now.
Get some minoxidil 5 % and a microneedling tool (ideally the Derminator 2, but a plain dermastamp will do). Expect your eyebrows to significantly improve after 6 months of consistent use, although that may occur earlier if you are a so-called hyper responder. Consistency is key anyway. Apply minoxidil twice a day, and microneedle once a week (let the micro-wounds heal 12-24 hours prior to re-applying minoxidil). Once you have reached the desired results, you could probably maintain them with one application every day or every other day (instead of twice a day).
Order Latisse/bimatoprost online. Apply it daily. You should grow significantly longer and denser eyelashes within 3 months. Once you have reached that goal, maintain the results with 2-3 weekly applications.
Order tazarotene/tretinoin online (e.g. Indiamart) if getting it prescribed by your local MD/dermatologist will take too long or might be difficult. Your skin texture will improve within 1-3 months.
Get a dyeing kit for facial hair, in a shade darker than your natural color. Apply it to your eyebrows and eyelashed, and enjoy immediate results.
Find a competent hair stylist & colorist in your area. Accept the idea of paying more for a better job than your usual plain cut. It might take a little bit of time to really nail the style and color. You'll get immediate results anyway.
Book an appointment with a local dermatologist to get rid of moles / beauty marks. This procedure may be partially covered by your national healthcare system, depending on your location. Immediate results. If you manage to book an appointment shortly and if you know this dermatologist to be relatively blackpilled/aesthetics-oriented, you could rely on him to prescribe minoxidil, Latisse, and tazarotene/tretinoin. Otherwise, just do as previously suggested, order everything online.
Lean out. You're not fat, obviously. So a little could go a long way. Instead of starving yourself, try to increase your physical activity ; not necessarily with gymcelling ; favor whatever you may actually enjoy (walking, climbing, swimming, playing football/tennis/etc.) and may pursue long term.

Book a round of surgical consultations right now. You can test the waters with online consults, but you should ideally attend in-person meetings to make the assessments much more reliable.
1-2 maxillofacial surgeons or ENT for the ears.
1-2 plastic surgeons for filler injection (chin).
2-3 oculoplastic surgeons for the eye area.
3+ plastic surgeons for the nose.
2-3 plastic surgeons for the lips. Probably not the same guys as for the nose, because you ideally want surgeons who have specialized in certain procedures and have proven to excel at them. But if you find plastic surgeons who are good at both rhinoplasty and lip lift (and fillers), then that's obviously fine and more practical.

A few months down the road, you should know what to do, and whom to do it with. Depending on your available budget, that's when you could book surgeries.
You could proceed in this order :
1) chin filler — full results within 1-4 weeks — 300-600€ budget
2) otoplasty — full results after 1 month — 2000-3000€ budget (can be covered by national healthcare & insurance)
3) rhinoplasty — full results after 12 months — 5000-8000€ budget
4) oculoplastics + fat grafting — full results after a few months — 3000-6000€ budget
5) lip lift — full results after a few months (for scar healing, mostly) — 3000-5000€ budget

To accommodate recovery and funds, you could spread all these procedures over a period of 12-24 months.
If everything goes well and no revision is needed, you'll be done afterwards, with the exception of filler upkeep.

So, all in all, softmaxxing will deliver most of the results within 3 months, costing you a few hundreds in the process. While hardmaxxing could be completed within ~24 months, on a budget of roughly 14-23K€ (depending on who you go to). Not too bad !

While we're at it, here are morphs of your side profiles :
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They show the collateral benefits of surgeries aiming to fix primarily the front profile, as laid out in my previous post.


Now imagine if he can achieve a similar result, and you top it off with all the softmaxxes that aren't depicted in the morph (better hair style and color, facial hair dyeing, longer eyelashes, a moderate tan).

Holy shit, I really appreciate the amount of work and effort you put into this analysis. And all of that for free!? Seriously, you could easily charge money for something this detailed. Your morphs are also incredibly impressive.

I live in Austria, by the way. As for money, I’m fortunate enough to already have more than enough for these surgeries in theory. My great great grandparents were wealthy and left a substantial inheritance. That said, my parents probably wouldn’t be thrilled about me spending that money on surgery, although at the end of the day I guess it’s my decision. I’m also planning to work a decently paid job this summer.

I also had a question regarding Latisse. I’ve heard that applying it around the eye area can shrink the fat pads there. Is that actually true?

I’ll definitely try the softmaxxing methods you recommended. I already ordered topical minoxidil thanks to your advice, and I also want to start contacting surgeons. I’m just not sure where to find genuinely good ones. How do you usually search for reputable surgeons?

 

[vermicel]

How could I forget about Austria, despite being aware of Tyrolean history Great country.
Blessed be your great-great-grandparents for providing generational wealth.

When you think about it, spending +/-20K€ on procedures that may very significantly improve your quality of life for decades to come ... is actually a great deal and a smart investment. In comparison, a new entry-level car costs more, requires both general upkeep and gas to function, and its value decreases as soon as you leave the dealership.
Those 20K€ will probably be just a dent in your generational wealth, which you can restore swiftly by working a decent job.

Yes, I've heard of such side-effects for Latisse. But the documented case I saw was an old man using bimatoprost for its initially intended purpose, i.e. treating glaucoma. He probably used it continously and daily for years. Don't quote me on that, but applying bimatoprost/Latisse specifically for eyelash growth may be less prone to such a side-effect. Also, it's recommended to reduce the frequency of treatment to ~2 weekly applications once you have reached your goal. These combined factors could reduce the risk of side-effect.

If you're not short on money, get yourself a Derminator (https://owndoc.shop/) to speed up eyebrow growth.

How to search for reputable surgeons ? So far, I've found Facebook groups to be the most efficient source of information, as they usually exist in every language and address both local and foreign options. Log in to FB, type for example "Nasenkorrektur Österreich" in the search bar, and it should come up with at least one discussion group dealing with the topic, or more broadly with the topic of plastic surgery in Austria (search also "Plastische Chirurgie Österreich"). Subscribe to said group, even if it's publicly available, as it will allow more convenient in-group searching options.
Once you have collected a few reputable names, corroborate the info on Instagram, Reddit, Realself, Google ratings, Discord (if relevant), and here.
If you want to check the offer abroad, for example in Italy, repeat the search process in Italian. Based on messages posted here, Dr. Francesco Bernardini for oculoplastics & Dr. Tito Marianetti for rhinoplasty are both good options. Lurking Truecel just got his revision rhinoplasty done by another Italian surgeon, but he wants to keep the name private until further notice.
I don't know of any acclaimed European lip lift specialist, but it's simply because my personal research hasn't covered this topic. Here, on this forum, I've only heard of Dr. Miguel Mascaro based in Florida ; and, recently, there's been this testimony with Dr. Ricardo Rodriguez based in Baltimore https://looksmax.org/threads/lip-lift-on-march-18th.1925696/

Consult as many surgeons as you deem appropriate, until you feel confident in the diagnoses that have been provided. The only constraints will be time and money, but I would say both will be well spent if it ultimately allows to achieve a satisfactory result.

 

[teno]

How could I forget about Austria, despite being aware of Tyrolean history Great country.
Blessed be your great-great-grandparents for providing generational wealth.

When you think about it, spending +/-20K€ on procedures that may very significantly improve your quality of life for decades to come ... is actually a great deal and a smart investment. In comparison, a new entry-level car costs more, requires both general upkeep and gas to function, and its value decreases as soon as you leave the dealership.
Those 20K€ will probably be just a dent in your generational wealth, which you can restore swiftly by working a decent job.

Yes, I've heard of such side-effects for Latisse. But the documented case I saw was an old man using bimatoprost for its initially intended purpose, i.e. treating glaucoma. He probably used it continously and daily for years. Don't quote me on that, but applying bimatoprost/Latisse specifically for eyelash growth may be less prone to such a side-effect. Also, it's recommended to reduce the frequency of treatment to ~2 weekly applications once you have reached your goal. These combined factors could reduce the risk of side-effect.

If you're not short on money, get yourself a Derminator (https://owndoc.shop/) to speed up eyebrow growth.

How to search for reputable surgeons ? So far, I've found Facebook groups to be the most efficient source of information, as they usually exist in every language and address both local and foreign options. Log in to FB, type for example "Nasenkorrektur Österreich" in the search bar, and it should come up with at least one discussion group dealing with the topic, or more broadly with the topic of plastic surgery in Austria (search also "Plastische Chirurgie Österreich"). Subscribe to said group, even if it's publicly available, as it will allow more convenient in-group searching options.
Once you have collected a few reputable names, corroborate the info on Instagram, Reddit, Realself, Google ratings, Discord (if relevant), and here.
If you want to check the offer abroad, for example in Italy, repeat the search process in Italian. Based on messages posted here, Dr. Francesco Bernardini for oculoplastics & Dr. Tito Marianetti for rhinoplasty are both good options. Lurking Truecel just got his revision rhinoplasty done by another Italian surgeon, but he wants to keep the name private until further notice.
I don't know of any acclaimed European lip lift specialist, but it's simply because my personal research hasn't covered this topic. Here, on this forum, I've only heard of Dr. Miguel Mascaro based in Florida ; and, recently, there's been this testimony with Dr. Ricardo Rodriguez based in Baltimore https://looksmax.org/threads/lip-lift-on-march-18th.1925696/

Consult as many surgeons as you deem appropriate, until you feel confident in the diagnoses that have been provided. The only constraints will be time and money, but I would say both will be well spent if it ultimately allows to achieve a satisfactory result.

Thank you again for your advice. You are a huge help

 

[vermicel]

advice

While we're at it : I think that an unmentioned flaw in your eye area is the lack of limbal ring. In case you don't know about the limbal ring, it is a contrasted circle that separates the iris from the sclera. In your case, there is almost none. Combined with the washed blue color of your iris and the slightly glassy sclera, your eyes lose in intensity and perceived health (older people's limbal rings tend to fade with time).

How could you address it ? I usually don't like colored contacts worn by looksmaxxers, as most look fake and come across as try-hard. Instead of going for a colored contact, try to find ones that are clear in the middle with just a contrasted limbal ring. I'm pretty sure they do exist.
This is probably not a long-term solution (annoying to wear on a daily basis ?), and more of an occasional upgrade, if you're casually dating for example.

To complement the enhanced iris, you could temporarily whiten and brighten your sclera with a product like Visine (available in Europe). There may be better products out there, but you'll have to do the research. I'm personally using Visine every now and then, as I'm prone to bloodshot eyes, and it's been doing a good job.

Another morph to illustrate the potential effect of enhanced limbal rings and brighter sclera :

 

[teno]

While we're at it : I think that an unmentioned flaw in your eye area is the lack of limbal ring. In case you don't know about the limbal ring, it is a contrasted circle that separates the iris from the sclera. In your case, there is almost none. Combined with the washed blue color of your iris and the slightly glassy sclera, your eyes lose in intensity and perceived health (older people's limbal rings tend to fade with time).

How could you address it ? I usually don't like colored contacts worn by looksmaxxers, as most look fake and come across as try-hard. Instead of going for a colored contact, try to find ones that are clear in the middle with just a contrasted limbal ring. I'm pretty sure they do exist.
This is probably not a long-term solution (annoying to wear on a daily basis ?), and more of an occasional upgrade, if you're casually dating for example.

To complement the enhanced iris, you could temporarily whiten and brighten your sclera with a product like Visine (available in Europe). There may be better products out there, but you'll have to do the research. I'm personally using Visine every now and then, as I'm prone to bloodshot eyes, and it's been doing a good job.

Another morph to illustrate the potential effect of enhanced limbal rings and brighter sclera :

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Yeah, I noticed the redness in my sclera too, another one of the many flaws in my eye area. I don’t really mind the lack of a limbal ring though, I don’t think wearing contacts for that would make a significant difference.
I did have a question regarding the morph of my front profile. You made my midface look noticeably more projected, and I was wondering: do you think orbital fat grafting alone could realistically create that kind of projection? I would assume that achieving a result similar to the morph would require some sort of midface implant rather than just fat grafting alone.

 

[vermicel]

I don’t really mind the lack of a limbal ring though, I don’t think wearing contacts for that would make a significant difference.

I think it could make a significant difference, although it wouldn't be sustainable on a daily basis for a long time.
Give it a try. Worst case scenario : you lose a few euros and that's it.

I did have a question regarding the morph of my front profile. You made my midface look noticeably more projected, and I was wondering: do you think orbital fat grafting alone could realistically create that kind of projection? I would assume that achieving a result similar to the morph would require some sort of midface implant rather than just fat grafting alone.

Hm, I wouldn't say I made your midface "noticeably more projected". Besides the nose tip (cartilage graft), projection is basically the same.
The fat graft in the undereyes was meant to get rid of the blue pigmentation and slight hollowness, but I wouldn't say it fundamentally changed projection like an infra implant could.
I slightly highlighted your zygos in the front profile morph to simulate the sharper bone definition resulting from fat loss. Yet, the projection would remain identical.

 

[teno]

I think it could make a significant difference, although it wouldn't be sustainable on a daily basis for a long time.
Give it a try. Worst case scenario : you lose a few euros and that's it.

I´ll give it a shot

Hm, I wouldn't say I made your midface "noticeably more projected". Besides the nose tip (cartilage graft), projection is basically the same.
The fat graft in the undereyes was meant to get rid of the blue pigmentation and slight hollowness, but I wouldn't say it fundamentally changed projection like an infra implant could.
I slightly highlighted your zygos in the front profile morph to simulate the sharper bone definition resulting from fat loss. Yet, the projection would remain identical.

Alright, but wouldn’t the fat eventually die because there isn’t much structural support in that area? I saw a lot of people say that. I’m honestly pretty lost when it comes to deciding between implants and fat grafting.

 

[shedontluv-U]

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From top to bottom of the face :
> softmaxxing the eyebrows with minoxidil + microneedling, primarily in order to reduce inter-eyebrow spacing
> periorbital fat grafting + canthoplasty
> otoplasty
> rhinoplasty : tip refinement, columella refinement, reduction of nostril flare, alar base reduction
> lip lift + lip corner lift
> filler to square the chin off

Other softmaxxes :
> leaning out to increase facial definition ; if not enough, consider fat dissolvers.
> mole removal
> skin care to improve skin texture (tazarotene, tretinoin, etc.)

Other softmaxxes not simulated in this morph :
> better haircut with some coloring experimentation (e.g. blonder highlights, or, the opposite, darker shade of brown)
> dyeing your eyebrows and eyelashes in a darker shade
> Latisse/bimatoprost to grow thicker and longer eyelashes
> some degree of tanning

Now is time to move on to consultations with surgeons. You said in another thread that you were "debating" the possibility of a consultation with Rattinan. That sounded very faggoty. Those consultations won't commit you in any way to undergo surgeries. But they will certainly give you a better grasp of what's possible, so you can then plan things accordingly (or give up the idea of hardmaxxing entirely). By the way, consult other oculoplastic surgeons but Rattinan's if you actually want some valuable insights.

As laid out above, I think there may be a way for you to improve your looks significantly. However, it won't be a "one and done" thing. You'll have to lock in and fully commit. It will take some time and some money (that you may not have right now) to get there.

holy fuck good job dude