Craziest Self Experimentation I've conducted (longform documentation of events)

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For context, I have something called a sympathetically dominant phenotype, meaning my biology thrives on chronic cortisol for extended periods of time before crashing. During a study I've conducted while self experimenting with amphetamine and HCI, the results when it comes to looks, dopamine receptor up/downregulation, strength, cognition, and longevity have absolutely astounded me after using a custom protocol and bodily mechanisms to my advantage while exploring a very plausible theory on extending a single dose, under the correct conditions forever...
Week 1
From the first day of taking my new amphetamine/meth hci "pressies" as they are called, pills you typically purchase from a vendor that contain a mix of both. It felt like every part of me turned on, my brain was at maximum output performance I've never experienced before even on meth or amphetamine separately. For once even my adhd/aspergers combo quieted down completely. Despite having abused both compounds individually, nothing compared to how clean and "maxxed out" I felt in every way that didn't cross your typical "tweaker" behavior zone. Testing these pills myself yielded both amp salts and meth hci in low dosages, unfortunately this caused me to not sleep into the night as I had taken them rather late not expecting much. The next morning led to discovering I had visible abdominals again with all the mid section water retention completely gone, leaving me confused despite the weeks and months of effort to debloat/lower my bf% until I was around 10%. I've never looked as healthy as I did during that first week of running these substances, people reported my eyes appearing "brighter" and my skin looking healthier which is evident in some images I took of myself back then, among other health indicators being oddly good prior to finding out about the extent to which this dominance of the sympathetic system ran. This continued throughout the week until I finally passed out asleep on night 3 the same night I began hallucinating all sorts of demonic entities passing windows, on the ceiling and walls of a party I was at which I left due to these sleep deprivation induced visions. This cycle of sleep deprivation every 2 nights followed by 1 night of sleep continued only to yield the same results. I woke up feeling better than I ever had, my regular sleep schedule had nothing on this. Curious, I did some research online, and figured out that a body phenotype like this can utilize something called "homeostatic recomp". And what this is essentially, is a very interesting anatomical mechanism triggered when the body believes it's in danger and will take advantage of the next recovery to compensate as much as possible at an accelerated rate. In this context, I was able to figure out that my body needed a routine of not sleeping a night or two, followed by a night of sleep giving myself 2-3x the energy I never had before on the regular. Motivation, focus, strength, and lowered inhibition came with it in a nice little next day package. Week 1 was something unreal at the time, everything I put my mind to felt effortless, which did include talking to women I've never met before, better conversation leading skills, and other similar things of that nature. It's as if a switch in my brain was flipped, and that was all it took to change my life what felt like essentially. Most amount of social fun I've ever had without any of the negative effects substances typically bring with them, including all the GABA antagonist drugs I've tried in the past, which can be somewhat easy to overdo and end up being overly sloppy within your mannerisms.
Week 2 (knowledge and greed)
This is where things became interesting, and even with all the homeostasis I was taking advantage of by tricking my body into this state, I was building an acute tolerance regardless even if much slower than average. Of course I bumped my doses up with each day that passed to remain in that limbo of functional bliss. Of course it got to a ridiculous amount, my highest being 150mg towards the end of the study, but I did find something mindblowing throughout this mess I was beginning to create, I wish I knew about sooner. What I've discovered is that by manipulating the electrolyte balance and utilizing insulin's shuttling for both carbs and electrolytes to prime the CNS. The most insane part about all this is how this mechanism when primed, timed, and executed correctly servers to extend the length of the "high", which isn't a term I like using here. And not only that, it's possible to manually control the drug's strength at will through these third party factors, which also leads to the fact that under the perfect theoretical conditions where a human body has the proper environment for nurtrition, biology, and routine, it is very plausible that a single dose can be manipulated by taking advantage of your body's ability to keep blood level consistency remain consistent without ever needing a second dose at all.
I began researching correlating mechanisms similar to what this hypothesis claimed, and after some trial and error I've come up with the most ideal combination (at least to my knowledge), of tools to use at the correct amounts and timing in order to prolong the drug's effects as long as possible, or until I fell asleep.

-Half a packet of liquid iv sipped with 200mg potassium, first thing in the morning (fasted)

-10iu "novolin r" human insulin + 50-70g carb load
-800-1500mcg semax for obvious reasons,
-100mg potassium dosed at specific intervals throughout the day,
-And most importantly, a GIGA strict water routine (every 10-15 minutes post liquid iv).

So, why was I so focused on water timing? Stimulants like amphetamines are heavily excreted through the kidneys, and taking small regular sips every 10-15 minutes is around the same time our thirst signals are felt, as well as being a major influence on keeping blood volume + kidney filtration functionality stable so that plasma amphetamine concentration stays consistent without any lowering in levels, aka what triggers a "comedown".
Another just as equally important factor if not more, was balancing the correct amount of potassium and sodium . The goal here was to maintain something called neuronal firing by utilizing these electrolytes for nerve impulses and synaptic transmission. This didn't allow my body to run out of electrolytes, and kept the nerves to functioning properly, preventing initiating a comedown, and potentially introducing unecessary heart risks or issues.
Insulin was my favorite addition to it all, since it allowed shuttling of the above mentioned as well as glucose filling necessary stores required to be prepared prior to dosing the stimulant.
Insulin = shuttles electrolytes, carbs to avoid hypoglycemia and adding glycogen benefits, because why not.
TLDR: Water/electrolyte/and insulin shuttling = consistent plasma levels to prevent any comedowns for as long as I stuck to the protocol, and keeping my heart stable.
Throughout the duration of this process, fasting every other day, low fat meals in between (lean protein, fast carbs, etc). All of this produced internal synergy providing a constant flow like state, giving myself the ability to absolutely OBLITERATE any task, whether it was work and catching up on my co worker's side of the project, any social situation I'd previously not have been keen on sticking around around for prior, quite literally anything felt like a challenge to me, and for the first time life felt like it was being lived. Adderall never gave myself a strength boost like it, nor did meth until the protocol.
I did however run into an issue after a few days of usage, during which I noticed the "head rush" that was the key to unlocking my lowered inhibition began to lower with less "don't think just do it" pushes, I became a bit frustrated. A solution just so happened to dawn on me while I stimmed and in the shower before going out, I noticed how the bathroom fan was affecting my head sensation in a "reactivation" manner.
Enter white/pink/brown noise, low/deep frequencies of sound that bores the auditory cortex into giving it no external auditory changes in input, similar to a waterfall but it manually forces your brain to stop it's pattern seeking, and trigger a rebound in euphoria, just like that. This became the final variable to my current protocol. With just sound alone, I was able to reactivate every single aspect of what I used to feel, and even found that listening to this noise for a minute straight at certain volumes affected that day's intensity and onset of the drug.


TIMELINE
I've created a rough timeline of the pros/cons throughout every phase of the trial run including my psychology throughout.
Days 1-3 were absolute peak, all I wanted to do was socialize, complete tasks, and go places. No side effects so far.
Days 4-7 was when the hallucinations began after not sleeping 2 entire nights and dosing throughout. I would play video games revolving around reaction time and notice how much that increased, however stagnating around the beginning of week 2, before slowly declining.
Days 8-11 (week 2) was stagnation, I was still receiving the majority of the benefits, with the caveat of slight mental fog, occasional sloppiness in routine, and other similar negative routine impacts, I swept aside and continued to seek out that same level of pleasure I'd get from feeling like a normal human being able to act like somebody else completely.
Days 12-15 (week 2) this was where everything began to rapidly go downhill. The mind fog and cognitive decline began to exponentially rise around day 13 after the previous day was already somewhat "muddy" feeling. I'd begin to neglect self care and eating was not a priority anymore. At this point every night I wouldn't sleep would induce hallucinations of music that sounded like an insanely ominous metal object being clanged against and reverberating everywhere around me, random noises and voices in my own home, and the constant shadow entities passing my windows (second floor) within my peripheral vision. My mind was basically disintegrating from the stress I've put on it for so long, and I knew the time to cope was over and I had to face reality. Day 15 was final phase of the study, and up to that point I was doing amounts ranging in the 150mg territory as compared to my beginning 30mg ranges. Once that was over and done with, it was time to sift through the progressively incoherent notes I attempted to keep from day 11-12+. That was that though, chasing an enhancement you won't receive is not worth the damage after realizing what the whole point of this originally was.

CONCLUSION

I believe this specific ratio of amphetamine to HCI can act as an extremely powerful tool when used responsibly, with discipline, not out of desperation. While this has been the wildest compound I've tried to date, outside of your typical recreational junkie substances, I plan on reintroducing it back into my routine once I've allowed the neurotoxicity to fully subside which should be any day now.
I'm looking into conducting a tolerance reversal type protocol after running it for a week based on what this user's thread talks about, which I've found quite interesting tbh.

Overall I rate this self study a success in terms of aiding myself with a clearer understanding pertaining to the potential of similar drugs more optimized to serve this purpose, as well as gaining personal satisfaction out of experimenting with my condition having been documented so little out of scarcity potentially not bringing in big pharma much money, but who knows.

Withdrawals

Mental - 5.5/10
Physical - 0.5/10
If anything it feels harder to quit nicotine, lol.

Thank you to anyone who read through my findings on this matter. Below is an attachment of the stack outside of my typical maxxing routines.
 

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and the constant shadow entities passing my windows (second floor) within my peripheral vision. My mind was basically disintegrating from the stress I've put on it for so long
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Great thread, read everything
 
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i will NOT be doing this 😭🙏
 
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i will NOT be doing this 😭🙏
Disregard my last message, I assumed it was a reply to my diy filler b&a. Definitely do not risk a meth addiction over something so silly, important only to myself.
 
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bro doin coke the first time i felt human i told myself everytime ive did coke ill never do meth bc ts would be too good
 
bro doin coke the first time i felt human i told myself everytime ive did coke ill never do meth bc ts would be too good
Meth is definitely better due to the long lasting aspect, in fact I’m on some right now and tomorrows first day of the tolerance break will suck but can’t risk getting addicted out here. Also you probably have adhd if undiagnosed
 
lowk get a addy prescription i used to have script when young but i want again after doing blow a few times in dec i noticed i could operate high function all the time
 
lowk get a addy prescription i used to have script when young but i want again after doing blow a few times in dec i noticed i could operate high function all the time
I have one, I just prefer my method with a strict protocol I’ve created weeks after finishing the experiment being sober off any stimulants
 
For context, I have something called a sympathetically dominant phenotype, meaning my biology thrives on chronic cortisol for extended periods of time before crashing. During a study I've conducted while self experimenting with amphetamine and HCI, the results when it comes to looks, dopamine receptor up/downregulation, strength, cognition, and longevity have absolutely astounded me after using a custom protocol and bodily mechanisms to my advantage while exploring a very plausible theory on extending a single dose, under the correct conditions forever...
Week 1
From the first day of taking my new amphetamine/meth hci "pressies" as they are called, pills you typically purchase from a vendor that contain a mix of both. It felt like every part of me turned on, my brain was at maximum output performance I've never experienced before even on meth or amphetamine separately. For once even my adhd/aspergers combo quieted down completely. Despite having abused both compounds individually, nothing compared to how clean and "maxxed out" I felt in every way that didn't cross your typical "tweaker" behavior zone. Testing these pills myself yielded both amp salts and meth hci in low dosages, unfortunately this caused me to not sleep into the night as I had taken them rather late not expecting much. The next morning led to discovering I had visible abdominals again with all the mid section water retention completely gone, leaving me confused despite the weeks and months of effort to debloat/lower my bf% until I was around 10%. I've never looked as healthy as I did during that first week of running these substances, people reported my eyes appearing "brighter" and my skin looking healthier which is evident in some images I took of myself back then, among other health indicators being oddly good prior to finding out about the extent to which this dominance of the sympathetic system ran. This continued throughout the week until I finally passed out asleep on night 3 the same night I began hallucinating all sorts of demonic entities passing windows, on the ceiling and walls of a party I was at which I left due to these sleep deprivation induced visions. This cycle of sleep deprivation every 2 nights followed by 1 night of sleep continued only to yield the same results. I woke up feeling better than I ever had, my regular sleep schedule had nothing on this. Curious, I did some research online, and figured out that a body phenotype like this can utilize something called "homeostatic recomp". And what this is essentially, is a very interesting anatomical mechanism triggered when the body believes it's in danger and will take advantage of the next recovery to compensate as much as possible at an accelerated rate. In this context, I was able to figure out that my body needed a routine of not sleeping a night or two, followed by a night of sleep giving myself 2-3x the energy I never had before on the regular. Motivation, focus, strength, and lowered inhibition came with it in a nice little next day package. Week 1 was something unreal at the time, everything I put my mind to felt effortless, which did include talking to women I've never met before, better conversation leading skills, and other similar things of that nature. It's as if a switch in my brain was flipped, and that was all it took to change my life what felt like essentially. Most amount of social fun I've ever had without any of the negative effects substances typically bring with them, including all the GABA antagonist drugs I've tried in the past, which can be somewhat easy to overdo and end up being overly sloppy within your mannerisms.
Week 2 (knowledge and greed)
This is where things became interesting, and even with all the homeostasis I was taking advantage of by tricking my body into this state, I was building an acute tolerance regardless even if much slower than average. Of course I bumped my doses up with each day that passed to remain in that limbo of functional bliss. Of course it got to a ridiculous amount, my highest being 150mg towards the end of the study, but I did find something mindblowing throughout this mess I was beginning to create, I wish I knew about sooner. What I've discovered is that by manipulating the electrolyte balance and utilizing insulin's shuttling for both carbs and electrolytes to prime the CNS. The most insane part about all this is how this mechanism when primed, timed, and executed correctly servers to extend the length of the "high", which isn't a term I like using here. And not only that, it's possible to manually control the drug's strength at will through these third party factors, which also leads to the fact that under the perfect theoretical conditions where a human body has the proper environment for nurtrition, biology, and routine, it is very plausible that a single dose can be manipulated by taking advantage of your body's ability to keep blood level consistency remain consistent without ever needing a second dose at all.
I began researching correlating mechanisms similar to what this hypothesis claimed, and after some trial and error I've come up with the most ideal combination (at least to my knowledge), of tools to use at the correct amounts and timing in order to prolong the drug's effects as long as possible, or until I fell asleep.

-Half a packet of liquid iv sipped with 200mg potassium, first thing in the morning (fasted)

-10iu "novolin r" human insulin + 50-70g carb load
-800-1500mcg semax for obvious reasons,
-100mg potassium dosed at specific intervals throughout the day,
-And most importantly, a GIGA strict water routine (every 10-15 minutes post liquid iv).

So, why was I so focused on water timing? Stimulants like amphetamines are heavily excreted through the kidneys, and taking small regular sips every 10-15 minutes is around the same time our thirst signals are felt, as well as being a major influence on keeping blood volume + kidney filtration functionality stable so that plasma amphetamine concentration stays consistent without any lowering in levels, aka what triggers a "comedown".
Another just as equally important factor if not more, was balancing the correct amount of potassium and sodium . The goal here was to maintain something called neuronal firing by utilizing these electrolytes for nerve impulses and synaptic transmission. This didn't allow my body to run out of electrolytes, and kept the nerves to functioning properly, preventing initiating a comedown, and potentially introducing unecessary heart risks or issues.
Insulin was my favorite addition to it all, since it allowed shuttling of the above mentioned as well as glucose filling necessary stores required to be prepared prior to dosing the stimulant.
Insulin = shuttles electrolytes, carbs to avoid hypoglycemia and adding glycogen benefits, because why not.
TLDR: Water/electrolyte/and insulin shuttling = consistent plasma levels to prevent any comedowns for as long as I stuck to the protocol, and keeping my heart stable.
Throughout the duration of this process, fasting every other day, low fat meals in between (lean protein, fast carbs, etc). All of this produced internal synergy providing a constant flow like state, giving myself the ability to absolutely OBLITERATE any task, whether it was work and catching up on my co worker's side of the project, any social situation I'd previously not have been keen on sticking around around for prior, quite literally anything felt like a challenge to me, and for the first time life felt like it was being lived. Adderall never gave myself a strength boost like it, nor did meth until the protocol.
I did however run into an issue after a few days of usage, during which I noticed the "head rush" that was the key to unlocking my lowered inhibition began to lower with less "don't think just do it" pushes, I became a bit frustrated. A solution just so happened to dawn on me while I stimmed and in the shower before going out, I noticed how the bathroom fan was affecting my head sensation in a "reactivation" manner.
Enter white/pink/brown noise, low/deep frequencies of sound that bores the auditory cortex into giving it no external auditory changes in input, similar to a waterfall but it manually forces your brain to stop it's pattern seeking, and trigger a rebound in euphoria, just like that. This became the final variable to my current protocol. With just sound alone, I was able to reactivate every single aspect of what I used to feel, and even found that listening to this noise for a minute straight at certain volumes affected that day's intensity and onset of the drug.


TIMELINE
I've created a rough timeline of the pros/cons throughout every phase of the trial run including my psychology throughout.
Days 1-3 were absolute peak, all I wanted to do was socialize, complete tasks, and go places. No side effects so far.
Days 4-7 was when the hallucinations began after not sleeping 2 entire nights and dosing throughout. I would play video games revolving around reaction time and notice how much that increased, however stagnating around the beginning of week 2, before slowly declining.
Days 8-11 (week 2) was stagnation, I was still receiving the majority of the benefits, with the caveat of slight mental fog, occasional sloppiness in routine, and other similar negative routine impacts, I swept aside and continued to seek out that same level of pleasure I'd get from feeling like a normal human being able to act like somebody else completely.
Days 12-15 (week 2) this was where everything began to rapidly go downhill. The mind fog and cognitive decline began to exponentially rise around day 13 after the previous day was already somewhat "muddy" feeling. I'd begin to neglect self care and eating was not a priority anymore. At this point every night I wouldn't sleep would induce hallucinations of music that sounded like an insanely ominous metal object being clanged against and reverberating everywhere around me, random noises and voices in my own home, and the constant shadow entities passing my windows (second floor) within my peripheral vision. My mind was basically disintegrating from the stress I've put on it for so long, and I knew the time to cope was over and I had to face reality. Day 15 was final phase of the study, and up to that point I was doing amounts ranging in the 150mg territory as compared to my beginning 30mg ranges. Once that was over and done with, it was time to sift through the progressively incoherent notes I attempted to keep from day 11-12+. That was that though, chasing an enhancement you won't receive is not worth the damage after realizing what the whole point of this originally was.

CONCLUSION

I believe this specific ratio of amphetamine to HCI can act as an extremely powerful tool when used responsibly, with discipline, not out of desperation. While this has been the wildest compound I've tried to date, outside of your typical recreational junkie substances, I plan on reintroducing it back into my routine once I've allowed the neurotoxicity to fully subside which should be any day now.
I'm looking into conducting a tolerance reversal type protocol after running it for a week based on what this user's thread talks about, which I've found quite interesting tbh.

Overall I rate this self study a success in terms of aiding myself with a clearer understanding pertaining to the potential of similar drugs more optimized to serve this purpose, as well as gaining personal satisfaction out of experimenting with my condition having been documented so little out of scarcity potentially not bringing in big pharma much money, but who knows.

Withdrawals

Mental - 5.5/10
Physical - 0.5/10
If anything it feels harder to quit nicotine, lol.

Thank you to anyone who read through my findings on this matter. Below is an attachment of the stack outside of my typical maxxing routines.
DNR ur Loki a retard that sounds smart
 
For context, I have something called a sympathetically dominant phenotype, meaning my biology thrives on chronic cortisol for extended periods of time before crashing. During a study I've conducted while self experimenting with amphetamine and HCI, the results when it comes to looks, dopamine receptor up/downregulation, strength, cognition, and longevity have absolutely astounded me after using a custom protocol and bodily mechanisms to my advantage while exploring a very plausible theory on extending a single dose, under the correct conditions forever...
Week 1
From the first day of taking my new amphetamine/meth hci "pressies" as they are called, pills you typically purchase from a vendor that contain a mix of both. It felt like every part of me turned on, my brain was at maximum output performance I've never experienced before even on meth or amphetamine separately. For once even my adhd/aspergers combo quieted down completely. Despite having abused both compounds individually, nothing compared to how clean and "maxxed out" I felt in every way that didn't cross your typical "tweaker" behavior zone. Testing these pills myself yielded both amp salts and meth hci in low dosages, unfortunately this caused me to not sleep into the night as I had taken them rather late not expecting much. The next morning led to discovering I had visible abdominals again with all the mid section water retention completely gone, leaving me confused despite the weeks and months of effort to debloat/lower my bf% until I was around 10%. I've never looked as healthy as I did during that first week of running these substances, people reported my eyes appearing "brighter" and my skin looking healthier which is evident in some images I took of myself back then, among other health indicators being oddly good prior to finding out about the extent to which this dominance of the sympathetic system ran. This continued throughout the week until I finally passed out asleep on night 3 the same night I began hallucinating all sorts of demonic entities passing windows, on the ceiling and walls of a party I was at which I left due to these sleep deprivation induced visions. This cycle of sleep deprivation every 2 nights followed by 1 night of sleep continued only to yield the same results. I woke up feeling better than I ever had, my regular sleep schedule had nothing on this. Curious, I did some research online, and figured out that a body phenotype like this can utilize something called "homeostatic recomp". And what this is essentially, is a very interesting anatomical mechanism triggered when the body believes it's in danger and will take advantage of the next recovery to compensate as much as possible at an accelerated rate. In this context, I was able to figure out that my body needed a routine of not sleeping a night or two, followed by a night of sleep giving myself 2-3x the energy I never had before on the regular. Motivation, focus, strength, and lowered inhibition came with it in a nice little next day package. Week 1 was something unreal at the time, everything I put my mind to felt effortless, which did include talking to women I've never met before, better conversation leading skills, and other similar things of that nature. It's as if a switch in my brain was flipped, and that was all it took to change my life what felt like essentially. Most amount of social fun I've ever had without any of the negative effects substances typically bring with them, including all the GABA antagonist drugs I've tried in the past, which can be somewhat easy to overdo and end up being overly sloppy within your mannerisms.
Week 2 (knowledge and greed)
This is where things became interesting, and even with all the homeostasis I was taking advantage of by tricking my body into this state, I was building an acute tolerance regardless even if much slower than average. Of course I bumped my doses up with each day that passed to remain in that limbo of functional bliss. Of course it got to a ridiculous amount, my highest being 150mg towards the end of the study, but I did find something mindblowing throughout this mess I was beginning to create, I wish I knew about sooner. What I've discovered is that by manipulating the electrolyte balance and utilizing insulin's shuttling for both carbs and electrolytes to prime the CNS. The most insane part about all this is how this mechanism when primed, timed, and executed correctly servers to extend the length of the "high", which isn't a term I like using here. And not only that, it's possible to manually control the drug's strength at will through these third party factors, which also leads to the fact that under the perfect theoretical conditions where a human body has the proper environment for nurtrition, biology, and routine, it is very plausible that a single dose can be manipulated by taking advantage of your body's ability to keep blood level consistency remain consistent without ever needing a second dose at all.
I began researching correlating mechanisms similar to what this hypothesis claimed, and after some trial and error I've come up with the most ideal combination (at least to my knowledge), of tools to use at the correct amounts and timing in order to prolong the drug's effects as long as possible, or until I fell asleep.

-Half a packet of liquid iv sipped with 200mg potassium, first thing in the morning (fasted)

-10iu "novolin r" human insulin + 50-70g carb load
-800-1500mcg semax for obvious reasons,
-100mg potassium dosed at specific intervals throughout the day,
-And most importantly, a GIGA strict water routine (every 10-15 minutes post liquid iv).

So, why was I so focused on water timing? Stimulants like amphetamines are heavily excreted through the kidneys, and taking small regular sips every 10-15 minutes is around the same time our thirst signals are felt, as well as being a major influence on keeping blood volume + kidney filtration functionality stable so that plasma amphetamine concentration stays consistent without any lowering in levels, aka what triggers a "comedown".
Another just as equally important factor if not more, was balancing the correct amount of potassium and sodium . The goal here was to maintain something called neuronal firing by utilizing these electrolytes for nerve impulses and synaptic transmission. This didn't allow my body to run out of electrolytes, and kept the nerves to functioning properly, preventing initiating a comedown, and potentially introducing unecessary heart risks or issues.
Insulin was my favorite addition to it all, since it allowed shuttling of the above mentioned as well as glucose filling necessary stores required to be prepared prior to dosing the stimulant.
Insulin = shuttles electrolytes, carbs to avoid hypoglycemia and adding glycogen benefits, because why not.
TLDR: Water/electrolyte/and insulin shuttling = consistent plasma levels to prevent any comedowns for as long as I stuck to the protocol, and keeping my heart stable.
Throughout the duration of this process, fasting every other day, low fat meals in between (lean protein, fast carbs, etc). All of this produced internal synergy providing a constant flow like state, giving myself the ability to absolutely OBLITERATE any task, whether it was work and catching up on my co worker's side of the project, any social situation I'd previously not have been keen on sticking around around for prior, quite literally anything felt like a challenge to me, and for the first time life felt like it was being lived. Adderall never gave myself a strength boost like it, nor did meth until the protocol.
I did however run into an issue after a few days of usage, during which I noticed the "head rush" that was the key to unlocking my lowered inhibition began to lower with less "don't think just do it" pushes, I became a bit frustrated. A solution just so happened to dawn on me while I stimmed and in the shower before going out, I noticed how the bathroom fan was affecting my head sensation in a "reactivation" manner.
Enter white/pink/brown noise, low/deep frequencies of sound that bores the auditory cortex into giving it no external auditory changes in input, similar to a waterfall but it manually forces your brain to stop it's pattern seeking, and trigger a rebound in euphoria, just like that. This became the final variable to my current protocol. With just sound alone, I was able to reactivate every single aspect of what I used to feel, and even found that listening to this noise for a minute straight at certain volumes affected that day's intensity and onset of the drug.


TIMELINE
I've created a rough timeline of the pros/cons throughout every phase of the trial run including my psychology throughout.
Days 1-3 were absolute peak, all I wanted to do was socialize, complete tasks, and go places. No side effects so far.
Days 4-7 was when the hallucinations began after not sleeping 2 entire nights and dosing throughout. I would play video games revolving around reaction time and notice how much that increased, however stagnating around the beginning of week 2, before slowly declining.
Days 8-11 (week 2) was stagnation, I was still receiving the majority of the benefits, with the caveat of slight mental fog, occasional sloppiness in routine, and other similar negative routine impacts, I swept aside and continued to seek out that same level of pleasure I'd get from feeling like a normal human being able to act like somebody else completely.
Days 12-15 (week 2) this was where everything began to rapidly go downhill. The mind fog and cognitive decline began to exponentially rise around day 13 after the previous day was already somewhat "muddy" feeling. I'd begin to neglect self care and eating was not a priority anymore. At this point every night I wouldn't sleep would induce hallucinations of music that sounded like an insanely ominous metal object being clanged against and reverberating everywhere around me, random noises and voices in my own home, and the constant shadow entities passing my windows (second floor) within my peripheral vision. My mind was basically disintegrating from the stress I've put on it for so long, and I knew the time to cope was over and I had to face reality. Day 15 was final phase of the study, and up to that point I was doing amounts ranging in the 150mg territory as compared to my beginning 30mg ranges. Once that was over and done with, it was time to sift through the progressively incoherent notes I attempted to keep from day 11-12+. That was that though, chasing an enhancement you won't receive is not worth the damage after realizing what the whole point of this originally was.

CONCLUSION

I believe this specific ratio of amphetamine to HCI can act as an extremely powerful tool when used responsibly, with discipline, not out of desperation. While this has been the wildest compound I've tried to date, outside of your typical recreational junkie substances, I plan on reintroducing it back into my routine once I've allowed the neurotoxicity to fully subside which should be any day now.
I'm looking into conducting a tolerance reversal type protocol after running it for a week based on what this user's thread talks about, which I've found quite interesting tbh.

Overall I rate this self study a success in terms of aiding myself with a clearer understanding pertaining to the potential of similar drugs more optimized to serve this purpose, as well as gaining personal satisfaction out of experimenting with my condition having been documented so little out of scarcity potentially not bringing in big pharma much money, but who knows.

Withdrawals

Mental - 5.5/10
Physical - 0.5/10
If anything it feels harder to quit nicotine, lol.

Thank you to anyone who read through my findings on this matter. Below is an attachment of the stack outside of my typical maxxing routines.
I don’t have the patience to read this thread but I assume it’s a good thread
 
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Thanks, the tldr is just an account of studying a rare phenotypical mechanism that revolves around my body's ability to thrive off chronic cortisol by increasing my health indicators and cognition/strength despite being sleep deprived and on amphetamines/meth to utilize homeostatic recomp, the secondary function of this mechanism that causes my body to compensate at an exponentially higher rate when recovering during rem sleep which I utilized for dopamine rebuilding aspects.
 
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For context, I have something called a sympathetically dominant phenotype, meaning my biology thrives on chronic cortisol for extended periods of time before crashing. During a study I've conducted while self experimenting with amphetamine and HCI, the results when it comes to looks, dopamine receptor up/downregulation, strength, cognition, and longevity have absolutely astounded me after using a custom protocol and bodily mechanisms to my advantage while exploring a very plausible theory on extending a single dose, under the correct conditions forever...
Week 1
From the first day of taking my new amphetamine/meth hci "pressies" as they are called, pills you typically purchase from a vendor that contain a mix of both. It felt like every part of me turned on, my brain was at maximum output performance I've never experienced before even on meth or amphetamine separately. For once even my adhd/aspergers combo quieted down completely. Despite having abused both compounds individually, nothing compared to how clean and "maxxed out" I felt in every way that didn't cross your typical "tweaker" behavior zone. Testing these pills myself yielded both amp salts and meth hci in low dosages, unfortunately this caused me to not sleep into the night as I had taken them rather late not expecting much. The next morning led to discovering I had visible abdominals again with all the mid section water retention completely gone, leaving me confused despite the weeks and months of effort to debloat/lower my bf% until I was around 10%. I've never looked as healthy as I did during that first week of running these substances, people reported my eyes appearing "brighter" and my skin looking healthier which is evident in some images I took of myself back then, among other health indicators being oddly good prior to finding out about the extent to which this dominance of the sympathetic system ran. This continued throughout the week until I finally passed out asleep on night 3 the same night I began hallucinating all sorts of demonic entities passing windows, on the ceiling and walls of a party I was at which I left due to these sleep deprivation induced visions. This cycle of sleep deprivation every 2 nights followed by 1 night of sleep continued only to yield the same results. I woke up feeling better than I ever had, my regular sleep schedule had nothing on this. Curious, I did some research online, and figured out that a body phenotype like this can utilize something called "homeostatic recomp". And what this is essentially, is a very interesting anatomical mechanism triggered when the body believes it's in danger and will take advantage of the next recovery to compensate as much as possible at an accelerated rate. In this context, I was able to figure out that my body needed a routine of not sleeping a night or two, followed by a night of sleep giving myself 2-3x the energy I never had before on the regular. Motivation, focus, strength, and lowered inhibition came with it in a nice little next day package. Week 1 was something unreal at the time, everything I put my mind to felt effortless, which did include talking to women I've never met before, better conversation leading skills, and other similar things of that nature. It's as if a switch in my brain was flipped, and that was all it took to change my life what felt like essentially. Most amount of social fun I've ever had without any of the negative effects substances typically bring with them, including all the GABA antagonist drugs I've tried in the past, which can be somewhat easy to overdo and end up being overly sloppy within your mannerisms.
Week 2 (knowledge and greed)
This is where things became interesting, and even with all the homeostasis I was taking advantage of by tricking my body into this state, I was building an acute tolerance regardless even if much slower than average. Of course I bumped my doses up with each day that passed to remain in that limbo of functional bliss. Of course it got to a ridiculous amount, my highest being 150mg towards the end of the study, but I did find something mindblowing throughout this mess I was beginning to create, I wish I knew about sooner. What I've discovered is that by manipulating the electrolyte balance and utilizing insulin's shuttling for both carbs and electrolytes to prime the CNS. The most insane part about all this is how this mechanism when primed, timed, and executed correctly servers to extend the length of the "high", which isn't a term I like using here. And not only that, it's possible to manually control the drug's strength at will through these third party factors, which also leads to the fact that under the perfect theoretical conditions where a human body has the proper environment for nurtrition, biology, and routine, it is very plausible that a single dose can be manipulated by taking advantage of your body's ability to keep blood level consistency remain consistent without ever needing a second dose at all.
I began researching correlating mechanisms similar to what this hypothesis claimed, and after some trial and error I've come up with the most ideal combination (at least to my knowledge), of tools to use at the correct amounts and timing in order to prolong the drug's effects as long as possible, or until I fell asleep.

-Half a packet of liquid iv sipped with 200mg potassium, first thing in the morning (fasted)

-10iu "novolin r" human insulin + 50-70g carb load
-800-1500mcg semax for obvious reasons,
-100mg potassium dosed at specific intervals throughout the day,
-And most importantly, a GIGA strict water routine (every 10-15 minutes post liquid iv).

So, why was I so focused on water timing? Stimulants like amphetamines are heavily excreted through the kidneys, and taking small regular sips every 10-15 minutes is around the same time our thirst signals are felt, as well as being a major influence on keeping blood volume + kidney filtration functionality stable so that plasma amphetamine concentration stays consistent without any lowering in levels, aka what triggers a "comedown".
Another just as equally important factor if not more, was balancing the correct amount of potassium and sodium . The goal here was to maintain something called neuronal firing by utilizing these electrolytes for nerve impulses and synaptic transmission. This didn't allow my body to run out of electrolytes, and kept the nerves to functioning properly, preventing initiating a comedown, and potentially introducing unecessary heart risks or issues.
Insulin was my favorite addition to it all, since it allowed shuttling of the above mentioned as well as glucose filling necessary stores required to be prepared prior to dosing the stimulant.
Insulin = shuttles electrolytes, carbs to avoid hypoglycemia and adding glycogen benefits, because why not.
TLDR: Water/electrolyte/and insulin shuttling = consistent plasma levels to prevent any comedowns for as long as I stuck to the protocol, and keeping my heart stable.
Throughout the duration of this process, fasting every other day, low fat meals in between (lean protein, fast carbs, etc). All of this produced internal synergy providing a constant flow like state, giving myself the ability to absolutely OBLITERATE any task, whether it was work and catching up on my co worker's side of the project, any social situation I'd previously not have been keen on sticking around around for prior, quite literally anything felt like a challenge to me, and for the first time life felt like it was being lived. Adderall never gave myself a strength boost like it, nor did meth until the protocol.
I did however run into an issue after a few days of usage, during which I noticed the "head rush" that was the key to unlocking my lowered inhibition began to lower with less "don't think just do it" pushes, I became a bit frustrated. A solution just so happened to dawn on me while I stimmed and in the shower before going out, I noticed how the bathroom fan was affecting my head sensation in a "reactivation" manner.
Enter white/pink/brown noise, low/deep frequencies of sound that bores the auditory cortex into giving it no external auditory changes in input, similar to a waterfall but it manually forces your brain to stop it's pattern seeking, and trigger a rebound in euphoria, just like that. This became the final variable to my current protocol. With just sound alone, I was able to reactivate every single aspect of what I used to feel, and even found that listening to this noise for a minute straight at certain volumes affected that day's intensity and onset of the drug.


TIMELINE
I've created a rough timeline of the pros/cons throughout every phase of the trial run including my psychology throughout.
Days 1-3 were absolute peak, all I wanted to do was socialize, complete tasks, and go places. No side effects so far.
Days 4-7 was when the hallucinations began after not sleeping 2 entire nights and dosing throughout. I would play video games revolving around reaction time and notice how much that increased, however stagnating around the beginning of week 2, before slowly declining.
Days 8-11 (week 2) was stagnation, I was still receiving the majority of the benefits, with the caveat of slight mental fog, occasional sloppiness in routine, and other similar negative routine impacts, I swept aside and continued to seek out that same level of pleasure I'd get from feeling like a normal human being able to act like somebody else completely.
Days 12-15 (week 2) this was where everything began to rapidly go downhill. The mind fog and cognitive decline began to exponentially rise around day 13 after the previous day was already somewhat "muddy" feeling. I'd begin to neglect self care and eating was not a priority anymore. At this point every night I wouldn't sleep would induce hallucinations of music that sounded like an insanely ominous metal object being clanged against and reverberating everywhere around me, random noises and voices in my own home, and the constant shadow entities passing my windows (second floor) within my peripheral vision. My mind was basically disintegrating from the stress I've put on it for so long, and I knew the time to cope was over and I had to face reality. Day 15 was final phase of the study, and up to that point I was doing amounts ranging in the 150mg territory as compared to my beginning 30mg ranges. Once that was over and done with, it was time to sift through the progressively incoherent notes I attempted to keep from day 11-12+. That was that though, chasing an enhancement you won't receive is not worth the damage after realizing what the whole point of this originally was.

CONCLUSION

I believe this specific ratio of amphetamine to HCI can act as an extremely powerful tool when used responsibly, with discipline, not out of desperation. While this has been the wildest compound I've tried to date, outside of your typical recreational junkie substances, I plan on reintroducing it back into my routine once I've allowed the neurotoxicity to fully subside which should be any day now.
I'm looking into conducting a tolerance reversal type protocol after running it for a week based on what this user's thread talks about, which I've found quite interesting tbh.

Overall I rate this self study a success in terms of aiding myself with a clearer understanding pertaining to the potential of similar drugs more optimized to serve this purpose, as well as gaining personal satisfaction out of experimenting with my condition having been documented so little out of scarcity potentially not bringing in big pharma much money, but who knows.

Withdrawals

Mental - 5.5/10
Physical - 0.5/10
If anything it feels harder to quit nicotine, lol.

Thank you to anyone who read through my findings on this matter. Below is an attachment of the stack outside of my typical maxxing routines.
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For context, I have something called a sympathetically dominant phenotype, meaning my biology thrives on chronic cortisol for extended periods of time before crashing. During a study I've conducted while self experimenting with amphetamine and HCI, the results when it comes to looks, dopamine receptor up/downregulation, strength, cognition, and longevity have absolutely astounded me after using a custom protocol and bodily mechanisms to my advantage while exploring a very plausible theory on extending a single dose, under the correct conditions forever...
Week 1
From the first day of taking my new amphetamine/meth hci "pressies" as they are called, pills you typically purchase from a vendor that contain a mix of both. It felt like every part of me turned on, my brain was at maximum output performance I've never experienced before even on meth or amphetamine separately. For once even my adhd/aspergers combo quieted down completely. Despite having abused both compounds individually, nothing compared to how clean and "maxxed out" I felt in every way that didn't cross your typical "tweaker" behavior zone. Testing these pills myself yielded both amp salts and meth hci in low dosages, unfortunately this caused me to not sleep into the night as I had taken them rather late not expecting much. The next morning led to discovering I had visible abdominals again with all the mid section water retention completely gone, leaving me confused despite the weeks and months of effort to debloat/lower my bf% until I was around 10%. I've never looked as healthy as I did during that first week of running these substances, people reported my eyes appearing "brighter" and my skin looking healthier which is evident in some images I took of myself back then, among other health indicators being oddly good prior to finding out about the extent to which this dominance of the sympathetic system ran. This continued throughout the week until I finally passed out asleep on night 3 the same night I began hallucinating all sorts of demonic entities passing windows, on the ceiling and walls of a party I was at which I left due to these sleep deprivation induced visions. This cycle of sleep deprivation every 2 nights followed by 1 night of sleep continued only to yield the same results. I woke up feeling better than I ever had, my regular sleep schedule had nothing on this. Curious, I did some research online, and figured out that a body phenotype like this can utilize something called "homeostatic recomp". And what this is essentially, is a very interesting anatomical mechanism triggered when the body believes it's in danger and will take advantage of the next recovery to compensate as much as possible at an accelerated rate. In this context, I was able to figure out that my body needed a routine of not sleeping a night or two, followed by a night of sleep giving myself 2-3x the energy I never had before on the regular. Motivation, focus, strength, and lowered inhibition came with it in a nice little next day package. Week 1 was something unreal at the time, everything I put my mind to felt effortless, which did include talking to women I've never met before, better conversation leading skills, and other similar things of that nature. It's as if a switch in my brain was flipped, and that was all it took to change my life what felt like essentially. Most amount of social fun I've ever had without any of the negative effects substances typically bring with them, including all the GABA antagonist drugs I've tried in the past, which can be somewhat easy to overdo and end up being overly sloppy within your mannerisms.
Week 2 (knowledge and greed)
This is where things became interesting, and even with all the homeostasis I was taking advantage of by tricking my body into this state, I was building an acute tolerance regardless even if much slower than average. Of course I bumped my doses up with each day that passed to remain in that limbo of functional bliss. Of course it got to a ridiculous amount, my highest being 150mg towards the end of the study, but I did find something mindblowing throughout this mess I was beginning to create, I wish I knew about sooner. What I've discovered is that by manipulating the electrolyte balance and utilizing insulin's shuttling for both carbs and electrolytes to prime the CNS. The most insane part about all this is how this mechanism when primed, timed, and executed correctly servers to extend the length of the "high", which isn't a term I like using here. And not only that, it's possible to manually control the drug's strength at will through these third party factors, which also leads to the fact that under the perfect theoretical conditions where a human body has the proper environment for nurtrition, biology, and routine, it is very plausible that a single dose can be manipulated by taking advantage of your body's ability to keep blood level consistency remain consistent without ever needing a second dose at all.
I began researching correlating mechanisms similar to what this hypothesis claimed, and after some trial and error I've come up with the most ideal combination (at least to my knowledge), of tools to use at the correct amounts and timing in order to prolong the drug's effects as long as possible, or until I fell asleep.

-Half a packet of liquid iv sipped with 200mg potassium, first thing in the morning (fasted)

-10iu "novolin r" human insulin + 50-70g carb load
-800-1500mcg semax for obvious reasons,
-100mg potassium dosed at specific intervals throughout the day,
-And most importantly, a GIGA strict water routine (every 10-15 minutes post liquid iv).

So, why was I so focused on water timing? Stimulants like amphetamines are heavily excreted through the kidneys, and taking small regular sips every 10-15 minutes is around the same time our thirst signals are felt, as well as being a major influence on keeping blood volume + kidney filtration functionality stable so that plasma amphetamine concentration stays consistent without any lowering in levels, aka what triggers a "comedown".
Another just as equally important factor if not more, was balancing the correct amount of potassium and sodium . The goal here was to maintain something called neuronal firing by utilizing these electrolytes for nerve impulses and synaptic transmission. This didn't allow my body to run out of electrolytes, and kept the nerves to functioning properly, preventing initiating a comedown, and potentially introducing unecessary heart risks or issues.
Insulin was my favorite addition to it all, since it allowed shuttling of the above mentioned as well as glucose filling necessary stores required to be prepared prior to dosing the stimulant.
Insulin = shuttles electrolytes, carbs to avoid hypoglycemia and adding glycogen benefits, because why not.
TLDR: Water/electrolyte/and insulin shuttling = consistent plasma levels to prevent any comedowns for as long as I stuck to the protocol, and keeping my heart stable.
Throughout the duration of this process, fasting every other day, low fat meals in between (lean protein, fast carbs, etc). All of this produced internal synergy providing a constant flow like state, giving myself the ability to absolutely OBLITERATE any task, whether it was work and catching up on my co worker's side of the project, any social situation I'd previously not have been keen on sticking around around for prior, quite literally anything felt like a challenge to me, and for the first time life felt like it was being lived. Adderall never gave myself a strength boost like it, nor did meth until the protocol.
I did however run into an issue after a few days of usage, during which I noticed the "head rush" that was the key to unlocking my lowered inhibition began to lower with less "don't think just do it" pushes, I became a bit frustrated. A solution just so happened to dawn on me while I stimmed and in the shower before going out, I noticed how the bathroom fan was affecting my head sensation in a "reactivation" manner.
Enter white/pink/brown noise, low/deep frequencies of sound that bores the auditory cortex into giving it no external auditory changes in input, similar to a waterfall but it manually forces your brain to stop it's pattern seeking, and trigger a rebound in euphoria, just like that. This became the final variable to my current protocol. With just sound alone, I was able to reactivate every single aspect of what I used to feel, and even found that listening to this noise for a minute straight at certain volumes affected that day's intensity and onset of the drug.


TIMELINE
I've created a rough timeline of the pros/cons throughout every phase of the trial run including my psychology throughout.
Days 1-3 were absolute peak, all I wanted to do was socialize, complete tasks, and go places. No side effects so far.
Days 4-7 was when the hallucinations began after not sleeping 2 entire nights and dosing throughout. I would play video games revolving around reaction time and notice how much that increased, however stagnating around the beginning of week 2, before slowly declining.
Days 8-11 (week 2) was stagnation, I was still receiving the majority of the benefits, with the caveat of slight mental fog, occasional sloppiness in routine, and other similar negative routine impacts, I swept aside and continued to seek out that same level of pleasure I'd get from feeling like a normal human being able to act like somebody else completely.
Days 12-15 (week 2) this was where everything began to rapidly go downhill. The mind fog and cognitive decline began to exponentially rise around day 13 after the previous day was already somewhat "muddy" feeling. I'd begin to neglect self care and eating was not a priority anymore. At this point every night I wouldn't sleep would induce hallucinations of music that sounded like an insanely ominous metal object being clanged against and reverberating everywhere around me, random noises and voices in my own home, and the constant shadow entities passing my windows (second floor) within my peripheral vision. My mind was basically disintegrating from the stress I've put on it for so long, and I knew the time to cope was over and I had to face reality. Day 15 was final phase of the study, and up to that point I was doing amounts ranging in the 150mg territory as compared to my beginning 30mg ranges. Once that was over and done with, it was time to sift through the progressively incoherent notes I attempted to keep from day 11-12+. That was that though, chasing an enhancement you won't receive is not worth the damage after realizing what the whole point of this originally was.

CONCLUSION

I believe this specific ratio of amphetamine to HCI can act as an extremely powerful tool when used responsibly, with discipline, not out of desperation. While this has been the wildest compound I've tried to date, outside of your typical recreational junkie substances, I plan on reintroducing it back into my routine once I've allowed the neurotoxicity to fully subside which should be any day now.
I'm looking into conducting a tolerance reversal type protocol after running it for a week based on what this user's thread talks about, which I've found quite interesting tbh.

Overall I rate this self study a success in terms of aiding myself with a clearer understanding pertaining to the potential of similar drugs more optimized to serve this purpose, as well as gaining personal satisfaction out of experimenting with my condition having been documented so little out of scarcity potentially not bringing in big pharma much money, but who knows.

Withdrawals

Mental - 5.5/10
Physical - 0.5/10
If anything it feels harder to quit nicotine, lol.

Thank you to anyone who read through my findings on this matter. Below is an attachment of the stack outside of my typical maxxing routines.
cool as shit mirin bhai
 
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But like what is a concrete example of a task that you obliterated on the protocol. Because people take shrooms and say they fought god.
 
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But like what is a concrete example of a task that you obliterated on the protocol. Because people take shrooms and say they fought god.
What do you mean exactly? I wasn't seeing anything, I have real tangible that showed external feedback
 
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What do you mean exactly? I wasn't seeing anything, I have real tangible that showed external feedback
Like what’s an example of a task you did on the protocol that would normally be considered very hard but you did easily. Like a feat. For instance if you wrote three 20 page essays in a single night that would be a tangible result.
 

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