cut with ped to retain muscle, or regular cut and lean bulk with ped

[appeal]

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[Jonas2k7]

I think you could build mass even in a calorie deficit with some peds

 

[appeal]

I think you could build mass even in a calorie deficit with some peds

yeah. with ped asp as beginner/intermeditaye, it would be a good recomp

 

[Orc]

peds aren't worth it unless you've got a good body to begin with, the people that take them because they look like shit just end up looking like shit but bigger.

 

[Deleted member 83600]

peds aren't worth it unless you've got a good body to begin with, the people that take them because they look like shit just end up looking like shit but bigger.

ZyzZ David paid fawking jon Skywalker only niggas that looked good on gear

 

[appeal]

peds aren't worth it unless you've got a good body to begin with, the people that take them because they look like shit just end up looking like shit but bigger.

u mean good frame?

 

[Orc]

ZyzZ David paid fawking jon Skywalker only niggas that looked good on gear

skywalker looks like dogshit for a decade of steroid abuse.

 

[Orc]

u mean good frame?

no, mostly good insertions and your ability to stay lean, people who can't put the fork down naturally still can't do it on gear.

 

[Deleted member 25198]

peds aren't worth it unless you've got a good body to begin with, the people that take them because they look like shit just end up looking like shit but bigger.

@russiancel had a good transformation taking peds as beginner

 

[Deleted member 83600]

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skywalker looks like dogshit for a decade of steroid abuse.

Yh he's skinny af now but in his prime he looked good

 

[appeal]

no, mostly good insertions and your ability to stay lean, people who can't put the fork down naturally still can't do it on gear.

how do you tell good insertions? obviously i got to leanbulk and make most of my natty gains before i consider doing ped (i was just asking a general question in this thread) this is 1-2 month training .

 

[Orc]

how do you tell good insertions?

you can't tell unless you've been working out for a while to begin with, that's the point.

how do you tell? because if you do you look good to begin with, it's not that complex.