Cycle advice at 17

[Cope Maxxing]

I'm 17 an starting a cycle of hgh, ai, mots-c and others also if I get educated enough I will add test, the only reason Im not is I don't know everything about it yet and also Im unable to get labs done rn and don't want to risk closing plates early because Im tryna hightmax. If anyone has advice on what I should add, doses or if your knowledgeable about test and is there a way I can use it to hieghtmax or is it not worth the risk of plate closure bc ik if I don't get the ai right then Im screwed. So please any advice on how I can get the most facial gains, frame gains, height gains and honestly don't care about muscle too much rn because I can do that later.

Current cycle Im thinking on
hgh 8 ius
mots-c 20 mg (split dosing)
exemestane 12.5 eod
metformin
and test if I can do it safely (need more research)

also Im also gonna be sleep maxing, counting cals, eating good and also taking a bunch of supplements like fish oil, creatine, multi, D3+K2 etc


So what's the best route for height gains and bones, is test worth it?

 

[somewhatsuffering]

good luck, how are u gonna afford all this though

 

[mogmypsl999]

well structured. add 200-350 test if you're ready later

 

[hej1377]

You seem carefull and high iq, good approach

Mitocondrial support is often neglected with hgh and very good that you added mots-c

But the ability to make igf from hgh drastically drops after ish 4-5iu, dont go higher imo as the roi drops of

And i think you should add test and take the research at your own pace and dont do anything drastically

 

[Cope Maxxing]

You seem carefull and high iq, good approach

Mitocondrial support is often neglected with hgh and very good that you added mots-c

But the ability to make igf from hgh drastically drops after ish 4-5iu, dont go higher imo as the roi drops of

And i think you should add test and take the research at your own pace and dont do anything drastically

Thanks btw, and I thought the drop off of dimining returns was more around 6-8 ius no? And also I really want to add test but Im just worried if I mismanage it could mess up plates. Also Im trying to take research as slow and carefull as I can but the truth is I'm running out of time with my bone age so I need to act ASAP if I want best results.

 

[Cope Maxxing]

well structured. add 200-350 test if you're ready later

Thanks, you think test would be a risk to plates even with ai? Or take away from final height even if structured well by speeding bone age with androgens?

 

[Cope Maxxing]

good luck, how are u gonna afford all this though

I have a few grand saved up also job coming soon.

 

[Cope Maxxing]

You seem carefull and high iq, good approach

Mitocondrial support is often neglected with hgh and very good that you added mots-c

But the ability to make igf from hgh drastically drops after ish 4-5iu, dont go higher imo as the roi drops of

And i think you should add test and take the research at your own pace and dont do anything drastically

Do you think there is anything else worth adding? Im trying to keep it as simple and effective as possible but ik there are always some good add ons that really makes a dif like MOTS-C

 

[hej1377]

Do you think there is anything else worth adding? Im trying to keep it as simple and effective as possible but ik there are always some good add ons that really makes a dif like MOTS-C

Thanks btw, and I thought the drop off of dimining returns was more around 6-8 ius no? And also I really want to add test but Im just worried if I mismanage it could mess up plates. Also Im trying to take research as slow and carefull as I can but the truth is I'm running out of time with my bone age so I need to act ASAP if I want best results.

My suggestion would be the same as yours,test, if you really wanna make sure you dont fuck up your growth plates you could start taking it and go with a bit of a higher ai dose and then go up untill you feel good, youre gonna be absolutely mentally raped for a bit and have a limp dick and 0 sex drive untill you find the right dose tho and pin daily for stable levels

Theres diagrams of how well the liver can make igf from different hgh doses,take a look at one and itll help you

The stack is pretty good imo, if im being nitpicky maybe switch the motsc for bam15 if you can source it altough mots is till very good. And make sure the metformin is xr

 

[Cope Maxxing]

My suggestion would be the same as yours,test, if you really wanna make sure you dont fuck up your growth plates you could start taking it and go with a bit of a higher ai dose and then go up untill you feel good, youre gonna be absolutely mentally raped for a bit and have a limp dick and 0 sex drive untill you find the right dose tho and pin daily for stable levels

Theres diagrams of how well the liver can make igf from different hgh doses,take a look at one and itll help you

The stack is pretty good imo, if im being nitpicky maybe switch the motsc for bam15 if you can source it altough mots is till very good. And make sure the metformin is xr

How would ik ai dose is right without labs would I just be going of physical signs like puffy nipples?

I will take a look at those graphs.

I will also look into bam15 ive never heard of it.

Also doesn't test itself speed bone age through androgens even if estrogen is controlled? Ik it does but Im not sure if its a major affect or negligible when compared to estrogen.

 

[hej1377]

How would ik ai dose is right without labs would I just be going of physical signs like puffy nipples?

I will take a look at those graphs.

Yes that is the proper way to do it, the first proposed approach would be just to make sure youre not at the higher part of normal e2 levels. Its more difficult but just if you feel the need to be extra meticulous about making sure you dont lose a single nanomater

Also doesn't test itself speed bone age through androgens even if estrogen is controlled? Ik it does but Im not sure if its a major affect or negligible when compared to estrogen.

They speed up bone advancements and maturation but dont close growth plates, the distiction may seem pedantic as its often trivial and the 2 words can often be used synanomously but they dont 100% mean the same things

androgens affect Osteocytes and make the bone a bit thicker and can make the bone grow quicker according to its genetic potential. But this effect even though its not bad is still very modest and trivial

 

[Cope Maxxing]

Yes that is the proper way to do it, the first proposed approach would be just to make sure youre not at the higher part of normal e2 levels. Its more difficult but just if you feel the need to be extra meticulous about making sure you dont lose a single nanomater



They speed up bone advancements and maturation but dont close growth plates, the distiction may seem pedantic as its often trivial and the 2 words can often be used synanomously but they dont 100% mean the same things

androgens affect Osteocytes and make the bone a bit thicker and can make the bone grow quicker according to its genetic potential. But this effect even though its not bad is still very modest and trivial

Ig if I can manage test in a way that wont take away from height then I well def do it and ty so much man you've been a big help

 

[mogmypsl999]

Thanks, you think test would be a risk to plates even with ai? Or take away from final height even if structured well by speeding bone age with androgens?

stay away from AI. its neurotoxic and your plates are closed with 17 anyway up to 80%

 

[profilz]

well structured. add 200-350 test if you're ready later

Is it still worth it to take test at 17 if I would pct after (I just wanna do a couple cycles while I’m young but don’t wanna be on test for life)

 

[z46_]

I'm 17 an starting a cycle of hgh, ai, mots-c and others also if I get educated enough I will add test, the only reason Im not is I don't know everything about it yet and also Im unable to get labs done rn and don't want to risk closing plates early because Im tryna hightmax. If anyone has advice on what I should add, doses or if your knowledgeable about test and is there a way I can use it to hieghtmax or is it not worth the risk of plate closure bc ik if I don't get the ai right then Im screwed. So please any advice on how I can get the most facial gains, frame gains, height gains and honestly don't care about muscle too much rn because I can do that later.

Current cycle Im thinking on
hgh 8 ius
mots-c 20 mg (split dosing)
exemestane 12.5 eod
metformin
and test if I can do it safely (need more research)

also Im also gonna be sleep maxing, counting cals, eating good and also taking a bunch of supplements like fish oil, creatine, multi, D3+K2 etc


So what's the best route for height gains and bones, is test worth it?

how do you know its gonna work, if you haven't done any x-rays and don't know if your growth plates are still open.

 

[Cope Maxxing]

how do you know its gonna work, if you haven't done any x-rays and don't know if your growth plates are still open.

According to my growth history my plates are likely still open

 

[Cope Maxxing]

Is it still worth it to take test at 17 if I would pct after (I just wanna do a couple cycles while I’m young but don’t wanna be on test for life)

Ya you could cycle for 3-6 months, do pct and keep muscle and facial gains, its a lot easier to recover from a cycle when your this age

 

[profilz]

Ya you could cycle for 3-6 months, do pct and keep muscle and facial gains, its a lot easier to recover from a cycle when your this age

Ok but do you recomend that I pct after my first cycle or will I still be able to successfully bring back my natural production after my second cycle if I cruise in between my first and second cycle

 

[Cope Maxxing]

Ok but do you recomend that I pct after my first cycle or will I still be able to successfully bring back my natural production after my second cycle if I cruise in between my first and second cycle

The longer you stay on the harder PCT is but at 17 your system is pretty resilient and most make a good recovery with proper PCT but I cant tell you exactly what to do because it depends on how much your running, how long your running it for and the time you take in between your two cycles

 

[Cope Maxxing]

Ok but do you recomend that I pct after my first cycle or will I still be able to successfully bring back my natural production after my second cycle if I cruise in between my first and second cycle

bro it depends you need more research suppression is stronger the more test you take I have no idea how much your taking or how long your taking it for

 

[mogmypsl999]

Is it still worth it to take test at 17 if I would pct after (I just wanna do a couple cycles while I’m young but don’t wanna be on test for life)

i'm still finding out about this. not sure, but pct rate is very high by test only. dont add sarms

 

[howabout8inchesthic]

I'm 17 an starting a cycle of hgh, ai, mots-c and others also if I get educated enough I will add test, the only reason Im not is I don't know everything about it yet and also Im unable to get labs done rn and don't want to risk closing plates early because Im tryna hightmax. If anyone has advice on what I should add, doses or if your knowledgeable about test and is there a way I can use it to hieghtmax or is it not worth the risk of plate closure bc ik if I don't get the ai right then Im screwed. So please any advice on how I can get the most facial gains, frame gains, height gains and honestly don't care about muscle too much rn because I can do that later.

Current cycle Im thinking on
hgh 8 ius
mots-c 20 mg (split dosing)
exemestane 12.5 eod
metformin
and test if I can do it safely (need more research)

also Im also gonna be sleep maxing, counting cals, eating good and also taking a bunch of supplements like fish oil, creatine, multi, D3+K2 etc


So what's the best route for height gains and bones, is test worth it?

I'm curious what'd you end up doing?
hows it going?