Cycle update (for who wants to know)

[dihh]

turned 17
still 6'' , 183 cm, hmtn

changed my cycle a bit, now taking:

still on 8-9 iu's gh, 500 iu's hcg eod and letrozole 2.5mg/day (i have been experimenting with 25mg exesmatane a day)
200mg/week injectible stanalone (raw powder mixed with some bb, ba and mct oil)
oral minox 5mg/ day- no sides so far
eplerenone 50mg or Hydrochlorothiazide 25 mg/day
sometimes i'm taking some nebivolol 5mg/day
the cerebrolysin i did a week ago is having some nice effects

(stop spamming ''take test'' i have like 2000 total test and over 100ng/dl free, don't even get me started on my dht levels they're through the roof)

all of this is only 200 euros or 250 usd/month not including latisse and the dht gel that im using, seeing some little results from them tho

maybe i'll try to some vasoritide or infigratinib from china even tho its cope

if i'm gonna see my skin and hair deteriorate like crazy i'll have to get back on some dut and accutane (obviously)

PCT after this will probably be some more hcg and a lot of enclo

 

[BR32]

If you're worried about your hair maybe start with not tanking your E2 into single digits.

2.5mg daily is nutty

My brain continues to melt.

@Former Shortcel

 

[jakejacquino]

Mirin

 

[dihh]

If you're worried about your hair maybe start with not tanking your E2 into single digits.

2.5mg daily is nutty

My brain continues to melt.

@Former Shortcel

i'm not that worried about hair quality but i obv dont want to go bald and thats only from dht

 

[BR32]

i'm not that worried about hair quality but i obv dont want to go bald and thats only from dht

Are you not worried about the complete lack of estrogen in your body?

 

[dihh]

Are you not worried about the complete lack of estrogen in your body?

i still have about 5 pg but no i'll def be fine

 

[BR32]

i still have about 5 pg but no i'll def be fine

Bone health and HPG maturation go brrrrrr

Also how are those joints feeling? Come back to this one in a few weeks at 5 pg.

 

[dihh]

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[dihh]

Bone health and HPG maturation go brrrrrr

Also how are those joints feeling? Come back to this one in a few weeks at 5 pg.

sacrifice for the greater good i'm willing to feel like shit for a year for some results

 

[BR32]

sacrifice for the greater good i'm willing to feel like shit for a year for some results

What exaclty are you getting out of having low estrogen?

You realizie its making all the HGH you're running way less effective. You need sufficent E2 to properly convert HGH to IGF-1.

Also you're in puberty HPG axis maturation being disrupted doesn't go away as you get older netiher dose bone calcificaiton/or lack there of.

 

[dihh]

What exaclty are you getting out of having low estrogen?

You realizie its making all the HGH you're running way less effective. You need sufficent E2 to properly convert HGH to IGF-1.

Also you're in puberty HPG axis maturation being disrupted doesn't go away as you get older netiher dose bone calcificaiton/or lack there of.

cope look at the studies you want low e2 because thats more important than the igf1

 

[nakus]

youll notice the neurotoxicity of low estrogen soon, just like i did

 

[BR32]

cope look at the studies you want low e2 because thats more important than the igf1

More important for what?

Growth plate closure?

Its not that simple buddy

 

[BR32]

youll notice the neurotoxicity of low estrogen soon, just like i did

niggas think estrogen is optional

 

[dihh]

youll notice the neurotoxicity of low estrogen soon, just like i did

cope been on letro for over 6 months a little brain fog at first nothing now

 

[nakus]

niggas think estrogen is optional

deadass me a couple of years ago with absolutely no benefits other than reaching my genetic limit faster

 

[dihh]

More important for what?

Growth plate closure?

Its not that simple buddy

yes it is, for an example kids who take a suppresive aas they have increased growth velocity because of the very low e2

 

[nakus]

cope been on letro for over 6 months a little brain fog at first nothing now

doesn't hit u whilst ur on it i felt good aswell homie, im speaking from experience cause it hits after a good year

 

[nakus]

yes it is, for an example kids who take a suppresive aas they have increased growth velocity because of the very low e2

by that logic people can grow to be 3 meters theres a genetic limit to it, you only reach it faster

 

[BR32]

yes it is, for an example kids who take a suppresive aas they have increased growth velocity because of the very low e2

Have you read the studies tho?

I have

The growth they get is extremeley mininmal, and the downsides are real

You're the one coping here for no reason

Get the value out of your HGH and don't fry your brain development.

 

[BR32]

deadass me a couple of years ago with absolutely no benefits other than reaching my genetic limit faster

Yep, you feel like shit with no E2.

shocker right, get rid of a necessary hormone and your body doesn't work properly

OP go do some reading on what E2 does during puberty.

 

[dihh]

Have you read the studies tho?

I have

The growth they get is extremeley mininmal, and the downsides are real

You're the one coping here for no reason

Get the value out of your HGH and don't fry your brain development.

''downsides'' like a little worse lipid profile like are you deadass

 

[dihh]

Yep, you feel like shit with no E2.

shocker right, get rid of a necessary hormone and your body doesn't work properly

OP go do some reading on what E2 does during puberty.

i dont feel that bad and i have 5 pg so wdym

 

[nakus]

''downsides'' like a little worse lipid profile like are you deadass

can bet my whole life on that you wont exceed your genetic limit only reach it faster

 

[dihh]

can bet my whole life on that you wont exceed your genetic limit only reach it faster

idk we'll see

 

[nakus]

idk we'll see

its been tried on this forum many times and theres studies on it

 

[BR32]

''downsides'' like a little worse lipid profile like are you deadass

can bet my whole life on that you wont exceed your genetic limit only reach it faster

Removing estrogen from your body as you finish puberty and as your brain continues to develop doesn't just result it skewed lipids it alters the long term hormonal function and maturation of your body and brain.

Its a necesary hormone

 

[dihh]

its been tried on this forum many times and theres studies on it

obv i'm not the oldest gen but i'm still trying

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

If you're worried about your hair maybe start with not tanking your E2 into single digits.

2.5mg daily is nutty

My brain continues to melt.

@Former Shortcel

Nigga is nuking his test by taking fucking injectable dht, nuking it even more with letrozole and aromasin at high doses Niggas gonna have undetectable levels of the most important hormone in his body

if i'm gonna see my skin and hair deteriorate like crazy i'll have to get back on some dut

 

[dihh]

Removing estrogen from your body as you finish puberty and as your brain continues to develop doesn't just result it skewed lipids it alters the long term hormonal function and maturation of your body and brain.

Its a necesary hormone

stop thinking like if you have very low e2 your brain will die or smth it has almost no effect

 

[BR32]

Nigga is nuking his test by taking fucking injectable dht, nuking it even more with letrozole and aromasin at high doses Niggas gonna have undetectable levels of the most important hormone in his body
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nigga gonna lose all of his hair and his joints are gonna stop working entirely

 

[dihh]

Nigga is nuking his test by taking fucking injectable dht, nuking it even more with letrozole and aromasin at high doses Niggas gonna have undetectable levels of the most important hormone in his body
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haha read the first thread i have very high test total and free

 

[BR32]

stop thinking like if you have very low e2 your brain will die or smth it has almost no effect

YOU ARE IN PUBERTY

YOUR BRAIN IS DEVELOPING

YOUR BRAIN HAS TISSUE SPECIFIC AROMATIZATION

NUKING AROMATASE CAN CAUSE ISSUES.

 

[dihh]

nigga gonna lose all of his hair and his joints are gonna stop working entirely

havent lost any hair so keep coping

 

[BR32]

haha read the first thread i have very high test total and free

Thats because your E2 is in the gutter

 

[dihh]

YOU ARE IN PUBERTY

YOUR BRAIN IS DEVELOPING

YOUR BRAIN HAS TISSUE SPECIFIC AROMATIZATION

NUKING AROMATASE CAN CAUSE ISSUES.

true but the brain is almost fully developed so it wont have that bad of an effect

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

nigga gonna lose all of his hair and his joints are gonna stop working entirely

Mirin the hoe-deflation effort tbh

 

[dihh]

Thats because your E2 is in the gutter

yes obv so what was the point of that dogshit reply from him?

 

[BR32]

true but the brain is almost fully developed so it wont have that bad of an effect

Your brain finishes developing at 25

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

true but the brain is almost fully developed so it wont have that bad of an effect

Nigga the brain is one of the slowest developing organs, and you took away the hormone thats involved in EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION

 

[dihh]

Your brain finishes developing at 25

no shit but its mosly developed at early stages of puberty after 18 its very little changes

 

[dihh]

Nigga the brain is one of the slowest developing organs, and you took away the hormone thats involved in EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION

fearmongering final boss

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

haha read the first thread i have very high test total and free

Yeah guess whats gonna happen when you take exogenous androgens???? YOU STOP PROSUCING IT, come on this is steroids 101

 

[dihh]

yall be saying all this shit and youre not even taking anything take what i take and then talk to me

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

fearmongering final boss

No youre just unknowledgeable, nuking e2 is quite possibly the absolutely worst thing you could do when it comes to roids

 

[BR32]

yes obv so what was the point of that dogshit reply from him?

He's saying that it doesn't reflect whats actually going on in your body.

You have high free and total t because of a temporary feeback mechanism caused by letrozole.

When aromatase is heavily inhibited:

• Estradiol drops hard
• Hypothalamus senses low estrogen
• GnRH ↑ → LH/FSH ↑
• Testes produce more testosterone

So you get that short-term surge in Total and Free T

@hej1377

 

[BR32]

yall be saying all this shit and youre not even taking anything take what i take and then talk to me

I'm on test and GH lol

 

[dihh]

Yeah guess whats gonna happen when you take exogenous androgens???? YOU STOP PROSUCING IT, come on this is steroids 101

so what was the point of you saying that i dont have test

 

[dihh]

He's saying that it doesn't reflect whats actually going on in your body.

You have high free and total t because of a temporary feeback mechanism caused by letrozole.

When aromatase is heavily inhibited:

• Estradiol drops hard
• Hypothalamus senses low estrogen
• GnRH ↑ → LH/FSH ↑
• Testes produce more testosterone

So you get that short-term surge in Total and Free T

@hej1377

no most of the test i have is from the hcg i take

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

He's saying that it doesn't reflect whats actually going on in your body.

You have high free and total t because of a temporary feeback mechanism caused by letrozole.

When aromatase is heavily inhibited:

• Estradiol drops hard
• Hypothalamus senses low estrogen
• GnRH ↑ → LH/FSH ↑
• Testes produce more testosterone

So you get that short-term surge in Total and Free T

@hej1377

Yeah its still a huge net negative feedback, dudes gonna regret this quick when he feels even more retarded and depressed