Dandruff (Im desperate)

[Jesus_ist_König]

Im so sad nigga ughhhhh.

I have a lot, i mean a lot of dry dandruff and very very rarely i mean rarely i have oily dandruff. My hair is wavy-curly and its super dry. It gets very dry very fast.
In school yesterday i got called out for my dandruff, it was so unpleasant that moment .

I already tried:
https://looksmax.org/threads/guide-egg-yolk-hair-washing-why-i-stopped-using-shampoo.1927926/
i.e i tried egg yolk on my hair for 1 day and didnt work (my scalp was still itchy and my hair smelled like eggs)

I have a sulfate, paraben, silicone etc. you name it, free shampoo with an oil called "tea tree oil" which is good for moisturizing

Problem with all the shampoos: all the anti dandruff shampoos destroy my hair, they make it look frizy and weak, but still i have that dandruff problem which is obviously i want it to go im begging for help

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

After scratching:


These fotos where from today and i also used anti dandruff shampoo today
Question: Is this due to a dry scalp or is this dandruff caused by a fungus?

@just a chud @Kara @Tttopgtoni

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

After scratching:


These fotos where from today and i also used anti dandruff shampoo today
Question: Is this due to a dry scalp or is this dandruff caused by a fungus?

@just a chud @Kara @Tttopgtoni

@AryanFoidJester

 

[murked]

like all the other people say: have you considered asking yourself if its really dandruff and not fungal? maybe the shampoo your using causes it to get worse, lmk if you found a way to fix this man

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

like all the other people say: have you considered asking yourself if its really dandruff and not fungal?

My skin on my hand is very dry and the videos i watched also show that fungal dandruff looks way different than my and is caused by an oily scalp my hair is not oily, i have wavy hair and it gets dry very fast and i barely use shampoo

maybe the shampoo your using causes it to get worse, lmk if you found a way to fix this man

Im doing an appointment at a dermatologist

 

[murked]

My skin on my hand is very dry and the videos i watched also show that fungal dandruff looks way different than my and is caused by an oily scalp my hair is not oily, i have wavy hair and it gets dry very fast and i barely use shampoo

Im doing an appointment at a dermatologist

thats very good then tell me what you have, you can fix thanks to the dermatologist, trust

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

thats very good then tell me what you have, you can fix thanks to the dermatologist, trust

wdym?

 

[theogs]

most dandruff is from scalp issues, not just dryness, so use an anti-dandruff shampoo on your scalp and leave it on for a few minutes, then use conditioner on your lengths so your hair doesn’t dry out

 

[Kara]

These fotos where from today and i also used anti dandruff shampoo today
Question: Is this due to a dry scalp or is this dandruff caused by a fungus?

images show fungal dandruff vs dry scalp

judging from everything i'm seeing, i'm 80% confident it's just a dry scalp BUT i wouldn't rule out the possibility of fungal problem either. i can't identify which exact issue you have for sure but i do have some advice

A few general rules i'm sure you already know but i'll note them down anyways:
1) you have to use shampoo. the whole "no shampoo" thing is a sham. i would know because i've tried it for 8 months before quitting and it only brought me misery. only people with the best hair genetics can get away with doing this shit.
2) conditioner is mandatory too. after you apply it, leave it in for 5 minutes+ and then rinse it out.
3) any water temperature is fine (cold, lukewarm) except hot water.
4) don't use your regular shampoo every day either. 2-3 days a week is good

you have to consider all these scenarios i'll list because it could turn out to be any of them.

Case 1: Dry scalp

"Dry scalp" is a misnomer. people think if you have a dry scalp, your hair can never get greasy. this is WRONG because what we call "dry scalp" is just a compromised skin barrier. a compromised barrier leads to moisture loss, flakes (dandruff), inflammation. so ur scalp overproduces sebum (oil) as compensation hence greasy hair and flaky scalp can occur together.

one cause is that harsh sulfates (especially SLS and ALS) overstrip oils, irritate the fuck out of your scalp and cause these flakes of dry skin to start falling out. this means that your scalp's skin barrier itself is done for and you need moisture.

1) use a sulfate-free shampoo
so this would mean the product in the ingredient list has none of:

- Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS)
- Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate (ALS)
- Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES)
- Ammonium Laureth Sulfate (ALES)

2) use a hair mask with ceramides. this is the main thing that will repair your scalp's skin barrier. leave these on for 30 mins-ish 1-2x a week is enough

3) tea tree oil/coconut oil (. a little bit on the copey side here but they should help. only do these 1x a week if you do use it at all and you've confirmed that you DO have a dry scalp.

Case 2: Purely a fungal issue (Seborrheic dermatitis)

I don't really think this is the case here, but i'll explain anyway its important for you to read this part. seborrheic dermatitis is the name of the scalp condition where there is an overgrowth of malassezia fungus/yeast.

1) Nizoral shampoo only (has the active ingredient Ketoconazole 1-2%). these shampoos specifically are formulated to be medical-strength and they're the only ones that actually work to combat malassezia overgrowth. just think of it as the tretinoin to fungal dandruff.

dont use this like a regular shampoo, only use twice a week
apply for 3-5 minutes on scalp and then rinse out

What you want to get is this:

NOT anything like this:

avoid generic "anti-dandruff" bullshit they're marketing scams with weak ass ingredients

2) you don't need any special hair mask or hair oil if seborrheic dermatitis is the only issue.

Case 3: A mix of dry scalp and seborrheic dermatitis

this is when you have BOTH a compromised skin barrier (scalp) and overgrowth of malassezia. it's entirely possible to have both issues at once.

1) alternate between sulfate-free shampoo and nizoral shampoo. so if you're washing with nizoral on sunday, wash with the regular shampoo on wednesday. dont use both on the same day
2) ceramide hair mask 1-2 times a week same as case 1
2) don't use hair oils at all. i am not joking this will literally feed the fungus

note: try sulfate-free shampoos first but if your hair is getting too greasy switch to a SLES or ALES shampoo. SLES/ALES clean better than sulfate-free but are less irritating than SLS/ALS.

Conclusion

since you could fall under any of these cases you have to try all of these approaches and see which one resolves the problem through trial and error. don't give up too early, it could take you several weeks or months for results.

if its still not fixed then consult a dermatologist

gimme updates about how this all goes and i hope this fixes it for good. my first somewhat long post here so excuse the shitty formatting JFL

tagging other users in the thread who have the same problem

ive got the exact same problem as you lmk if you find a solution

not even leave in conditioners helped

i used to have loads but what helped me with it was washing like once every 10-14 days in summer break while i wasnt in school, i still have it now but i rarely get itchy and its not noticeable at all, plus i grew my hair out which probably helped it not being noticeable. I wash my hair once every 4 days now.

 

[Kara]

like all the other people say: have you considered asking yourself if its really dandruff and not fungal? maybe the shampoo your using causes it to get worse, lmk if you found a way to fix this man

See my reply

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

View attachment 4838128View attachment 4838131
images show fungal dandruff vs dry scalp

judging from everything i'm seeing, i'm 80% confident it's just a dry scalp BUT i wouldn't rule out the possibility of fungal problem either. i can't identify which exact issue you have for sure but i do have some advice

A few general rules i'm sure you already know but i'll note them down anyways:
1) you have to use shampoo. the whole "no shampoo" thing is a sham. i would know because i've tried it for 8 months before quitting and it only brought me misery. only people with the best hair genetics can get away with doing this shit.
2) conditioner is mandatory too. after you apply it, leave it in for 5 minutes+ and then rinse it out.
3) any water temperature is fine (cold, lukewarm) except hot water.
4) don't use your regular shampoo every day either. 2-3 days a week is good

you have to consider all these scenarios i'll list because it could turn out to be any of them.

Case 1: Dry scalp

"Dry scalp" is a misnomer. people think if you have a dry scalp, your hair can never get greasy. this is WRONG because what we call "dry scalp" is just a compromised skin barrier. a compromised barrier leads to moisture loss, flakes (dandruff), inflammation. so ur scalp overproduces sebum (oil) as compensation hence greasy hair and flaky scalp can occur together.

one cause is that harsh sulfates (especially SLS and ALS) overstrip oils, irritate the fuck out of your scalp and cause these flakes of dry skin to start falling out. this means that your scalp's skin barrier itself is done for and you need moisture.

1) use a sulfate-free shampoo
so this would mean the product in the ingredient list has none of:

- Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS)
- Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate (ALS)
- Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES)
- Ammonium Laureth Sulfate (ALES)

2) use a hair mask with ceramides. this is the main thing that will repair your scalp's skin barrier. leave these on for 30 mins-ish 1-2x a week is enough

3) tea tree oil/coconut oil (. a little bit on the copey side here but they should help. only do these 1x a week if you do use it at all and you've confirmed that you DO have a dry scalp.

Case 2: Purely a fungal issue (Seborrheic dermatitis)

I don't really think this is the case here, but i'll explain anyway its important for you to read this part. seborrheic dermatitis is the name of the scalp condition where there is an overgrowth of malassezia fungus/yeast.

1) Nizoral shampoo only (has the active ingredient Ketoconazole 1-2%). these shampoos specifically are formulated to be medical-strength and they're the only ones that actually work to combat malassezia overgrowth. just think of it as the tretinoin to fungal dandruff.

dont use this like a regular shampoo, only use twice a week
apply for 3-5 minutes on scalp and then rinse out

What you want to get is this:
View attachment 4838591

NOT anything like this:
View attachment 4838595
avoid generic "anti-dandruff" bullshit they're marketing scams with weak ass ingredients

2) you don't need any special hair mask or hair oil if seborrheic dermatitis is the only issue.

Case 3: A mix of dry scalp and seborrheic dermatitis

this is when you have BOTH a compromised skin barrier (scalp) and overgrowth of malassezia. it's entirely possible to have both issues at once.

1) alternate between sulfate-free shampoo and nizoral shampoo. so if you're washing with nizoral on sunday, wash with the regular shampoo on wednesday. dont use both on the same day
2) ceramide hair mask 1-2 times a week same as case 1
2) don't use hair oils at all. i am not joking this will literally feed the fungus

note: try sulfate-free shampoos first but if your hair is getting too greasy switch to a SLES or ALES shampoo. SLS/ALES clean better than sulfate-free but are less irritating than SLS/ALS.

Conclusion

since you could fall under any of these cases you have to try all of these approaches and see which one resolves the problem through trial and error. don't give up too early, it could take you several weeks or months for results.

if its still not fixed then consult a dermatologist

gimme updates about how this all goes and i hope this fixes it for good. my first somewhat long post here so excuse the shitty formatting JFL

tagging other users in the thread who have the same problem

Mirin da effort. Regardless im also going to dermatologist since im sick of the hair.
and yes as you said sometimes (talking about 2 times or less per month) i get big flakes (normal dandruff). but i get them rarely. today i put olive oil in my hair and its still in the hair to moisturize.

I have sulfate, paraben etc. free tea tree oil shampoo at home the only bad things it has are coffein and menthol and fragrances.

I need to find ways to moisturize more, i never heard of the ceramide thing i will try it out.

i never use shampoo with sulfates etc.

 

[AryanFoidJester]

@AryanFoidJester

Ok krass